OTC Rules
A couple of months ago I spotted my dream girl at a local club. She had
been a co-worker once, years ago, and I really looked forward to seeing
every inch of her. She's now my OTC gal. Not everything has gone as I have wished and I'm going to lay out my OTC experience for those who have done OTC and you can critique what I've done right and what I've done wrong.
Perhaps we can set a OTC set of rules from our shared experience.
The set up: I reserve an evening, anywhere from 2 to 6 days in advance. She prefers a local medium priced hotel. She arrives to flowers and a stuffed animal, as thanks for showing up. I pay 400 (300 plus tip) for a two hour date. She likes it relatively dark and I play classical music during.
The pros: I get to undress her (I like that). If I give her at least three orgasms by oral pleasure, she'll let me fuck her, condom optional. She doesn't do extras in the club (wouldn't with me, wants to stay right where she's at), so I'm not worried about STD's. She's really great in the sack, an experienced lover.
The cons: She has someone call to let her know it's been two hours. She
strictly observes the clock. No stay overs. She has lectured me that we
should have more than just a sexual relationship. I set up four dinner
dates and she has been a no show for each one. She's late for our hotel
dates, anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours-no apologies. In the beginning she had court dates and told me it was nothing I should worry about. A couple of weeks ago, a mutual acquaintance gave me the specifics-she's looking at ten in the pen for possession of a whole bunch of narcotics (she was busted with an ex and his friend-she says the drugs were theirs). When I told her I knew, she hit the ceiling, then apologized a week later-after she talked to her mom. My job requires a high level security clearance. We communicate almost exclusively by text message.
So, there's the lay out. Critiques?
been a co-worker once, years ago, and I really looked forward to seeing
every inch of her. She's now my OTC gal. Not everything has gone as I have wished and I'm going to lay out my OTC experience for those who have done OTC and you can critique what I've done right and what I've done wrong.
Perhaps we can set a OTC set of rules from our shared experience.
The set up: I reserve an evening, anywhere from 2 to 6 days in advance. She prefers a local medium priced hotel. She arrives to flowers and a stuffed animal, as thanks for showing up. I pay 400 (300 plus tip) for a two hour date. She likes it relatively dark and I play classical music during.
The pros: I get to undress her (I like that). If I give her at least three orgasms by oral pleasure, she'll let me fuck her, condom optional. She doesn't do extras in the club (wouldn't with me, wants to stay right where she's at), so I'm not worried about STD's. She's really great in the sack, an experienced lover.
The cons: She has someone call to let her know it's been two hours. She
strictly observes the clock. No stay overs. She has lectured me that we
should have more than just a sexual relationship. I set up four dinner
dates and she has been a no show for each one. She's late for our hotel
dates, anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours-no apologies. In the beginning she had court dates and told me it was nothing I should worry about. A couple of weeks ago, a mutual acquaintance gave me the specifics-she's looking at ten in the pen for possession of a whole bunch of narcotics (she was busted with an ex and his friend-she says the drugs were theirs). When I told her I knew, she hit the ceiling, then apologized a week later-after she talked to her mom. My job requires a high level security clearance. We communicate almost exclusively by text message.
So, there's the lay out. Critiques?
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As for getting stood up... personally, after 1 no-show I'd be pissed, but forgiving.... after the second no-show, any chance that it could turn into anything more than a business transaction would be gone. Punctuality is a real pet peeve of mine... 10-15 minutes is no big deal, but 2 hours late is ridiculous, especially if they have no excuse or apology when it happens... and it happens often. Though it's really par for the course with most strippers and escorts for that matter.
I tend to go by the rule that when you date strippers, you get in, have as much crazy buck-wild fun-tastic sex as you can, then get the fuck out before their whole crazy fucked-up world comes crashing down on you like a ton of bricks. But YMMV.
I dunno man, in your shoes, I would "git' while the gittin' is still good." But you are the one in it, not me. So you probably have a bit more perspective on when it might be time to cut the ties.
I also have a high level security clearance, or at least did before I retired. No idea if it is still active and don't really care. My point is this, when I worked, I would never get in a compromising position, which you did. My career was not worth a piece of ass, and one I had to pay for, which is most always illegal.
When I got my clearance, I was told that one of the concerns I needed to have is extortion. If the wrong people found out something like you are doing, they could use it against me.
In any case, I agree with SC, a bit pricey and also, I would not take being stood up or kept waiting Two HOURS!!!
Stuffed animal seems a bit much.
Isn't the prevailing view on this board that the only gift a stripper values is the folding green kind?
Your paying to have sex with her not dating her.
"If I give her at least three orgasms by oral pleasure, she'll let me fuck her"
Your paying her. She should be pleasing you not the other way around.
"she's looking at ten in the pen for possession of a whole bunch of narcotics"
A soon to be convicted felon on narcotics possession. Run away as fast as you can she can ruin your life.
"She has someone call to let her know it's been two hours."
This means someone else know when, where and what is going on between the two of you. This completely compromises your safety and security.
Given your need to maintain "a high level security clearance" you should end this relationship immediately and hope you get out clean.
In the future you need to be more selective and exercise more common sense.
Just wondering why she is no longer your co-worker? did she get fired? or did she quit? etc.?
What you have sounds like a good thing. At least you don't pay in advance, so if she does stand you up you won't be out any money. I would just decrease her tip if she shows up late.
>She doesn't do extras in the club .., so I'm not worried about STD's. She's really great in the sack, an experienced lover.<
You should be worried about STDs.
>she was busted with an ex and his friend-she says the drugs were theirs<
She's probably more involved than she lets on.
In retrospect, there should be an OTC rule against getting into it with a girl who knew you IRL, esp. an ex co-worker, although that was what turned you on to the idea in the first place.
Thanks for your input. I was having doubts and you guys nailed my doubts. I have a date with her tonight, and in all likelihood, it's going to be our last date. On our last date, we had an ugly blow up over numerous issues. Truth be told, I'd be surprised if she showed. I have the stuffed animal already, but that can be quickly donated to charity (some child will cherish it). I have a cheap vase (always can be reused), money can be redeposited, and I'll hold off on paying for the room unless I'm 100% certain she'll show. So, for tonight, I'm not actually out anything.
I'm not worried about my clearance, but not for the reasons one would think. When ***** left the firm, she did so with giggles behind her back. If she told my boss, she'd just get laughed at. As far as the fuzz are concerned, it's her word against mine and last I checked, johns only get busted if they proposition a female cop. Prostitution is small potatoes compared to the felony charges she's facing.
What has really bothered me is her tardiness, and her two hour limit-very unprofessional. I have a couple of backups who want the same shot she has.
To answer samsung, when she joined the firm, she was very vocal about being a former stripper. Before she quit, she confided (only in me) that she had resumed stripping. Her string of tardies at work did her in and made people think she had resumed stripping.
To answer robofan, I've done something silly, but not stupid. Suppose you had a co-worker who looked like a contender for Miss America, and you found out she was a stripper, tell me you wouldn't be all over that (***** is a looker, and then some). She's got some serious issues and flaws, which is why tonight is most likely the last time.
Lastly, when I replace *****, I'm still going to use flowers and a stuffed animal. Samsung is right, it sets the mood.
On the punctuality issue, I'll answer your ? with another ?: If you go to a club, and things aren't quite off to an ideal start,(but there's maybe some promise, what is the maximum time that you'd wait for good things to happen before bailing??
Apparently, your OTC date still works in club. I'm guessing that you have interest in a continuing patronage of club, likely VIP sessions with other dancers, and don't particularly relish the prospect of mixing that with potential drama with "ex OTC interest". I can only say that "its business". Ultimately, she has to make income, and will have to focus more on individuals who will spend money on her NOW, vs. someone who used to. Good luck.
I think his "security clearance" must be VERY limited, or not important at all to him, otherwise he would not be so caviler about it. I would never risk my clearance for some tail. Now, since I am retired and really have no use for it, THAT is another story.
- You actually are trusting this stripper enough to go BBFS with her, either you way too trusting of people or you really really dont like wearing condoms because I can assure you if even the mostly saintly of strippers offers BBFS, she has done the same with 10 other "boyfriends", customers, etc during the past 5 years.
- Clearance has to be low-level, would guess TSA employee. Any hig-level clearance would be running outta dodge as soon as heard about stripper with pending 10yr stint for drug possession.
- Why?? OTC with a stripper usually costs more and for me less gratifying than with an escort. Do the girl inside the club if at all possible, but road-shows are just that, the money you are dropping on hotel rooms, over-paying her, plus all the other risks and hassles you are now realizing just make pay-for-play stripper OTC not worth it. Now, if you're hooking up with a stripper on the side without all the rigamaral and cost, that's a big difference! been there, done that. In my opinion encounters like this are cost-benefit.
Yes, she still works in that club, but it's not my primary hangout, it's more of a back up than anything else (I can find pussy cheaper elsehere).
As for LE, in the Cold War, while in some places I'd rather not discuss here, I learned what to say to whom, and when. Even in our heated moments, I didn't say anything that would compromise anything. When she comes in the room I'm very affectionate, but it's also a shakedown (learned that in the Cold War too). Unless she's got a microphone hidden in her cervix, I'm cool.
A month after the Okla city bombing, I noticed my phone had been tapped and my mail opened (I had been linked with a militia group-I never attended meetings, but I had friends). It went on for two long years. It finally came to a head when I was having a phone conversation with my mom. She said:"You know your phone is tapped, don't you?" When I replied "Yes", she said I'm going to send you a letter. 24 hours later, the letter was in my box (not express or priority). It was ripped open, resealed, and marked "Accidentally delivered to wrong address". A week later, the phone tap was gone.
I live a very boring, non explicit life. When this whole thing with ***** started, I was just boinking a really hot former co-worker. Other than paying her for our sessions, I haven't done anything illegal,and let he on this board who has not paid for nookie cast the first stone. Like I said, most likely will end tonight. I appreciate your concern. I've been in much worse spots (ever been face to face with GRU at Checkpoint Charlie?) and I've survived.
In case anyone was wondering about my "MT Level" Security Clearance, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you..... With Laughter!!!!!
MT= Mushroom Treatment= Keep me in the dark, and feed me a bunch of manure.// Good day.
Moral: just be careful.
You obviously do not understand Mandatory Minimum Sentences. This is taken from an article explaining them:
Mandatory Minimum Sentences
In 1986 Congress enacted mandatory minimum sentencing laws, which force judges to deliver fixed sentences to individuals convicted of a crime, regardless of culpability or other mitigating factors. Federal mandatory drug sentences are determined based on three factors: the type of drug, weight of the drug mixture (or alleged weight in conspiracy cases), and the number of prior convictions. Judges are unable to consider other important factors such as the offender's role, motivation, and the likelihood of recidivism. Only by providing the prosecutor with "substantial assistance", (information that aids the government in prosecuting other offenders) may defendants reduce their mandatory sentences. This creates huge incentives for people charged with drug offenses to provide false information in order to receive a shorter sentence.
You think that engaging in an illegal activity with a person in this circumstance is just silly? Like I said she can ruin your life. All she has to do is plant some drugs in your hotel room for the police to find.
"Suppose you had a co-worker who looked like a contender for Miss America, and you found out she was a stripper, tell me you wouldn't be all over that"
Your absolutely right I would be. However once I found out that she had been arrested for narcotics possession I would have immediately ended the relationship.
Although it probably sounds like it I'm not being critical of you here. I am trying to educate you and everyone else who reads this as to the seriousness of being involved with someone facing felony narcotics charges.
Are you NUTS?? Whatever you do, wrap that puppy. NOTHING is worth that.