What do you think is the problem?

Maybe your standards are too high? For whatever it's worth I usually expect less from the typical hot white dancer than from the typical hot black dancer. The easy white dancers usually seem easy to identify and normally aren't blazing hot, but then there are exceptions. Also, the whites typically expect more $$$.

Some might take offense at this-I'm sorry, but before I started paying for pussy, I happened to sleep around quite a bit and found some ethic differences.

Asian women-not easy to land, you have to use the right bait (varies girl by girl). When you do land one, they are extremely loyal and treat the orgasm (theirs) as total nirvana-the blessed place. Take them there, and they will reward you greatly.

Black gals-very promiscuous. They treat sex as great fun. They like to have fun. Not too hard to land, but will only stay as long as it's fun.

White women-need a reason for sex. You have to find that reason, and that reason usually has a price tag attached. The price tag is not just a money thing, but money is almost always attached.

Hispanic women-mate for life with one guy. You might bed them, but most of the time while you're screwing their body, they are not in the room with you. If they are having fun, it's because they either are imagining you are that guy, or they are punishing the guy.

Sorry to say it, but just as Dudester has done some grand stereotyping there (just sayin'), so do many white women when it comes to judging black men. It's wrong to generalize about any group of people, but it happens all the time. I'm not saying that it is the sole reason for no OTC offers from white girls, but it might be part of it.

Oh, the local CL related boards some white providers will post that they will not see black men. Reasons: statistically more likely to have STDs and also perceived as being more likely to be violent and/or pimp-wannabes.

As for it being bad to generalize, it's what's going to happen like it or not, and no one can serious deny they don't do it. The important thing is do you look for and accept information showing that the generalizations are wrong when this information presents itself or do you cling to them in the face of evidence that a particular person is an exception, or that you whole generalization is broken?

Many stereotypes are based on observable patterns; generally, I find them reasonably accurate.

It has certainly been my experience that black girls are far more promiscuous than white, asian or hispanic girls. When I want a "sure thing" in a club, I go for the hot black chick.

It's not a judgement call - promiscuity is neither "bad" nor "good" - just a cultural difference.

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Off topic, but interesting: lipmagazine.org White dancers can be racists, too.

Dudester's post above is the best short analysis of the four types that I have ever seen on a stripper board. Black girls are definitely easier to "engage." In the past five weeks, from only two visits to my favorite black club, I've gotten five phone numbers and four offers for the whole range of adventures.

I do think, as another friend above observed, that white girls are afraid of black guys OTC. If they are in a controlled environment (e.g. a porno set), then they can relax.

Most of the white dancers I know do not like black customers. Most of them, in fact, go out of the way to avoid them. I don't really know why, its just what I've seen

Maybe we've become too politically correct is this country, because I find discussing anything racial a little bit uncomfortable....but I'll say it anyway. Just a personal observation from 25 years of going to strip clubs -- a lot of white dancers SAY they don't like dancing with black customers (generally their excuse is black customers seem to ask the dancers out more than white customers) but when I see dancers getting dropped off or picked up by their boyfriends at the end of the shift, I see a statistically significant percentage of white dancers with black boyfriends - I would say higher than the general population.

Good points, david. I think black guys, on average, just have more game by default than us whiteies. So yeah that would make them more likely to land stripper girlfriends. Maybe a black guy "paying for it" just seems odd, or suspicious to white strippers. Whereas when they see middle aged or old white guys do it, well it kinda makes sense since they (generally) can't be expected to have any game anyway.

The problem is that we all have our limits about crossing race lines. I used to think that black dancers were hotter than whites. I have disproven that theory many times. After two years in Japan, I find Asian women to to be cold. That is their culture.

I have one one favorite white dancer. She has 3 kids by two different black guys and never married either of them but told me that she insisted that they shave their genitalia. I have another black favorite dancer that has admitted to me use using tampons just to keep the wetness down. I have another favorite black dancer that can't understand why her boyfriend doesn't spend more time with her and she asked my why ( dude is married with kids) DUH! I know a white girl that is ugly as hell. I have seen her OTC in the parking lot with her pimp, boyfriend or what ever. He has been 86'D from the club.

Here is a really funny one. I know a white dancer that married a Hispanic. She thought that he was black. That is what she wanted. Wouldn't you think that that she would checked first?

I have only one TUSCLer brother that is black. We are the odd couple. A 66 year old white guy and a 20's black guy. Yet we get along fine.

My thinking: Whenever I have seen a black guy with a white chick, she is usual a dog and whenever I see a white guy with a black chick she is usually a hottie. I think that economics/class status are at work here.

Some very interesting responses from all posters.

david120: The white dancers that you have seen being dropped off by black males at the club are probably very young. IMO you will see more interacial dating between the 18 to 24yearold age group.

It kind of seems like that during that age they are just out having fun. By the time they turn 25 they are looking for somone to have a family with. If she comes from a decent middle class family you won't see her dating any black guy unlessen he seems to be doing something with his life ie(Graduating from college or getting a good paying job. I think we kind of touched on real life situations than just the stripclub environment.

Bobbyl: If it seems odd for a black guy to "pay for it" then why would a black dancer ask a black male if he wants to hook up OTC? I think your response might be true if I didn't go to the club on a regular basis, but I am mostly talking about white dancers whom I have been a regular of or who know that I have been coming to that club for a while.

In all, I can't really complain. I have had some good times with both white and black dancers over the years. In fact, one of my former ATF's was white. Her lapdances were average at best but I still had a fun time conversating with her. I pretty much made it clear that I had feelings for her(Giving her a card on valentines day). At first glance it might have seen stupid to do something like that, but I think it helped me have a better ITC relationship with her. I think she respected the fact that I was a good person, and I thought the same of her. That was 5years ago and I won't do such a silly thing again.

I think from know on I will be more aware of the dancer's(white or black) whom seem to enjoy my company and want to give me dances as opposed to the ones I find more attractive.

Well... Sociology 101 and Racism 202 at TUSCL University:

Previuosly, on LA Law, I disclosed that I'm a Black BabyBoomer and midwestern-born and bred (insert racist remark here.) I always like the fact that JPac will bare his emotions on this site and usually will get an honest response. This time, no exception.

1. I like day shift/evening club visits, since I feel discomforted when the late hours bring in riff-raff of all flavors who may be intoxicated, under theinfluence and/or just flat ass drunk. That's a volatile mix in some clubs when the race-baiting and taunts turn to fighting over Bullshit. That said, let's help one another understand some unspoken dynamics.

2. In the midwest, ASIAN women are the new "Hotties" amongst the hip-hop set. The Ballers and Shot-callers have run their game on the Video Vixens and always available white girls who have run away from whatever they may have felt was boring and/or abusive in their own communities. The "Brothers of Bling" tend to look more exciting in the rap videos and on the B-Ball court and appear to have some $$$ to spend. With that comes Lopaw's observations of the perception of violence and STD transmittal warranted by ungoverned promiscuity. We all need to feel safe and secure. To some that means, riding in the drug dealer's Escalade or his Luxury Lexus Sedan.

3)The Black Boyfriend who picks up his White Dancer girlfriend may have an economic and child rearing relationship with said dancer. (I have even been told that the BLACK boyfriend was the one preventing the white dancer from having any OTC and/or ITC from Black Customers!) The obvious reason being, they risk losing the dancer's income to another Bro with the good gift of gab, sweet talk and illusion of security. (it's the old PIMP GAME...)

1. I have found attitudes on interracial dating to vary as much as the geography in this grand old Republic. In LA and SFO, people could care less. South of the Mason-Dixon Line, the younger white girls befriend and "hook-up" with the Black Bruthas since there is no harm-no-foul while they are college-aged. Afterwards, you may see a significant shift in attitudes as they realize where they live and how they live may be a little more risk than she may wish to undertake.

2. Buy some dances, tell some jokes, have some fun and meet some real (civilian) women for OTC and possible relationships. Trust me, it will be more fun and less drama.

Bobbyl, I think your your statement that black guys "just have more game" is right on the money. Case in point - several months ago, I was heading back to the VIP room (near closing time) with my ATF. There was a small group of young black guys that we passed on our way back, and one of the guys stopped her. I continued on to the VIP. Several minutes passed before she finally in. I asked her if she knew those guys - she replied "no", and that she had never seen them in the club before. She said they didn't ask for dancer, but rather they wanted her to "come and party" with them after the shift. They said, "no sex was expected", but they were just trying to find some girls to come with them.

I guess those guys "had game" as you would say. Even in my youth, I would not have had the confidence to walk up to a total stranger and ask her that. My ATF politely declined, but if they were successful with any of the dancers that night, I say, good for you and more power to you. To say that only black guys would do this would certainly be a generalization, but honestly, I don't many guys

sorry, hit post it, before I finished....

I meant to say....I don't know many guys in my group of friends that would have had the confidence to do that - even with strippers.

I don't disagree with Dudester's stereotypes, though I'd caution of course that there are variances and people who stand outside their respective groups.

The point I'd make about them, is, that largely, there's a CULTURAL or socio-economic aspect to racial analyses in the USA. When you say, for instance, "black women," you probably mean, "black women who participate in ghetto-style lower-middle-class or lower-class assumptions." And for "white women" the meaning is likely "middle class or upper-middle-class stuck up suburbanite white women."

The real gems out there are the women with the skin color of a different socio-economic class (so to speak). Find an upper-middle-class black woman, for instance; or a really down-n-dirty dirt-poor white woman; etc.

I'm not sure how Asians fit into that mix. If they're first-generation, there might be a lot of Shinto or Buddhist assumptions in the home (though not literally the religions themselves; perhaps some understandings founded on those cultural assumptions) which would lead to the notion that sexuality is much more about sharing an enjoyable experience, and much less about the idea that there must be a bargained-for exchange of value-in-sex for value-in-economic-support. But a true "banana" (yellow on the outside, white on the inside) Asian woman, who is out to PROVE her middle-class-American status -- for instance, a wealthy 90210 girl who happens to have Japanese ethnicity from four generations ago -- will be REALLY even MORE of a stuck-up suburbanite princessy prick than a white girl, just to outshine her visual appearance for all onlookers.

So, there's a socio-economic factor to all racial analyses about women. And it extends to men, too. Black men having "more game" is true about "black men who participate in lower-class ghetto style culture" because, essentially, we're defining "game" as "game ability to land a woman to fuck." But look at the women in that culture ... does this mean a failing, dirty, homeless low-tier drug user has more "game" for a suburbanite Asian girl who needs a sugar daddy and hates sex except as a means to economic support? Probably not.

To me, nearly ALL "game" is actually a question of socio-economic groups. I'd recommend you give a read to Paul Fussel's "Class," a funny book about class markers in North America. Silly pictures, like, of men who have things hanging from their belts. You start to realize, that MONEY (income, etc.) itself isn't the visual North American indicator of class and classiness and solvency. When you meet a stranger, part of what makes you think he's "safe" or "sorry" for a given group, or a given activity, is based on markers of "class" that Fussel tries to enumerate and analyze. When you meet a middle-class black woman with a Harvard law degree, don't "game" her as though she appreciates life in teh ghetto. Her daddy's probably a corporate executive from Grosse Pointe ...