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njcsfan calls ME a "liar"?

Monday, August 11, 2008 10:04 PM
My god this is just to fucking funny. Ok, first of all he is wrong, but let's just suppose for the sake of argument that he was right. Then I ask you guys: Which is worse? Someone who "lies" on an anonymous internet message board OR A man who lies to his wife so that he can fuck 20+ hookers a year? (not only demonstrating dishonesty, disloyalty, a lack of balls and contempt for her that he cannot her what he really "needs" (LOL!), but also putting her at risk of contradicting STDs including HSV, and HPV which can lead to cervical cancer! All without her knowledge!) I think the guy seriously has his priorities out of order. njcsfan, tell that woman the truth before it too late and you do some irreparable harm! Heck if you BE A FUCKING MAN and own up to your mistakes she might even forgive you. Until that you have no god damn business lecturing anyone about their dishonesty, you god damn little piece of shit!

54 comments

  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    I was thinking about this some more and now I think I realize why njcsfan attacked David9999 for his "lying" and then danced in glee in the aftermath. njcsfan semi-consciously hates himself for the lies he tells his wife (and rightfully so)! David9999, according to njcsfan (but nowhere near proven) was just a teenager goofing around on a message board with no real consequences. But what njcsfan is doing is risking very real consequence to a real person. Or perhaps, to an entire family. njcsfan decided that rather than dealing with problem of his own dishonesty he would just attack David9999 to ease his conscious, b/c in his highly irrational mind a "teenager goofing around" was some how worse than he is. Yeah, right njcsfan! I just hope you come to your senses and make things right before it is too late. (I can just see him not doing that, but instead trying to turn the thread around on me in a feeble attempt to ease his own conscience.)
  • Dudester
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    16 years ago
    It's o.k., njcsfan calls me names, but he backs losers like Jimmy Carter, Micheal Dukakis, and Al Bore. He worships Margaret Sanger and he can't get over how it's no longer 1969 (Nixon is dead?). He really does believe in man caused Global Warming, and he lives on trail mix and wheat germ (whatever that is???). It's truly sad, it really is.
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Wow, like I said, Bobby continues to lose it. All this spittle from a guy who *claims* to have unprotected sex with strippers. (Yes, I know, all of his claims are pretty dubious.) As for Dudester: Sorry, but I can't even recall acknowledging your existence. When exactly did I "call [you] names"? I know I have never mentioned anything on tuscl about Jimmy Carter, Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, Margaret Sanger, global warming, trail mix or wheat germ. (I think I did say once that I thought Nixon was a bad president. I don't think I'm alone in that estimation.) Are you Bobby's doppleganger -- you just make up lies and use them as the basis for an attack? If not, would you care to back up one word in your post by citing to a specific thread where I said anything you've attributed to me?
  • Dudester
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    16 years ago
    As for Dudester: Sorry, but I can't even recall acknowledging your existence. I am hurt, truly shocked, oh my. I seem to remember words cast in my direction like "conservative" (as if that's a bad word), "idiot" (I think in your lexicon, conservative and idiot are interchangeable) and robot (I think you think I take my marching orders from Rush). Could be you were so busy spewing forth liberal angst that you forgot. No matter, I don't lose sleep over you. Have a nice day.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    It's a pretty simple question but one that njcsfan has just proven he is too scared to answer: Even if it were true would it would be worse for someone to lie on an anonymous internet message board with no real consequences or for someone to lie to their wife so they could fuck 20+ hookers a year? njcsfan knows the answer to this question, but is too chicken shit to say it here. Just like his to chicken shit to own up to his with about his dishonesty to her. Even parody and MisterGay aren't going to say that lying to your wife is better, njcsfan. Shit you know what I think of them, and I think you are way bigger dirtbag than they are! Anyway this one's a slam dunk for me!
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Dudester: Thanks for conceding 90 percent of your post is fabrciated. Let's deal with the remainder. On what date did I supposedly make any statement about you?
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    njscfan: trying to change the topic. wants to debate politics, rather than own up to lying to his wife. <sarcasm>Yeah, I can see his logic. If anyone anywhere else in the world ever told a lie to anyone about anything even if there were no consequences then his lying to his own wife is ok.</sarcasm>
  • MisterGuy
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    16 years ago
    So, njscfan is cheating on his wife...and?? How does any of that effect me?? There are plenty of things that people do on here (like having unprotected sex with sex workers & then downplaying the risk of STDs...ring any bells Bobby-boy?) that I would never do myself. But let's face it...this is strip club website and a LOT of people would call us ALL scumbags for going to someplace as "dirty" as a strip club...who cares though??? I agree though...Bobby-boy's meltdown continues... :) Have fun defending your buddy Davy-boy...lol...
  • parodyman-->
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    16 years ago
    MisterGuy is right. njscfan's personal business is his own. I have no interest in bobbyl's moronic rantings.
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Let's be real: Bobby's incessant whining about my marriage is just his way to attack me, nothing more, nothing less. When several other married men on this site have admitted to cheating on their wives (including David9999, who Bobby insists is a "decent" person), Bobby has said not one critical word about any of them. All his venom is directed at me, and its solely because he has nothing else to attack me with. Remember, this defender of women's health is the same guy who thinks it's perfectly sensible to have unprotected sex with strippers. Bobby's whole meltdown has been due to his being exposed as a cretin. I guess he blames me for this, and I guess it is true that I have cruelly pointed out what a loser Bobby is. But what Bobby does not grasp is that no one would be picking on him if he was not such a little prick. He doesn't seem to get that people here dislike him not due to anything I've said (or anything parodyman or MisterGuy have said). Rather, Bobby has been exposed entirely due to his own words. Just read his incessant attacks on wondergrl, and you know everything you need to know about Bobby. Nobody made Bobby post that garbage. He did it on his own. Bobby: I will give you a helpful hint to make you seem a little less obsessed. You've now started three threads all with my name in the title (and a fourth thread that was in reality all directed at me). Given how few discussion threads you've actually started during your time at tuscl, this reveals behavior that borders on cyber-stalking. I would suggest you find some other approach. As parodyman has pointed out, you are exhibiting several symptoms of homosexual panic. That is, you are apparently afraid you might be gay. Believe me, I really think that's ok if you are gay. I have always had lots of gay friends, and I have nothing against gay people. Nonetheless, I would rather not be the object of your desire. Please don't take it personally. It's just that I'm heterosexual (hint: that's why I have sex with women, something you apparently don't do with any frequency). I still would appreciate if someone would point me to the thread where I supposedly called Dudester names. I know my memory is getting worse as I get older, but I honestly don't remember ever thinking about Dudester, much less talking about him.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    I don't remember David9999 saying he had sex with strippers. I do remember him saying they were throwing themselves at him but he turned them down. But if you are right and he did have sex with them (can you quote a thread) despite the fact that he is married then he is as big a scumbag as you (assuming he is for real). I am not sure who else you are referring to. I know chitown lawyer pays women for sex, but my understanding is that he does this with his wife's consent. As for shadowcat, there was something going on with a stripper when he was married and I think it contributed to his divorce, but I am not sure if it included sex or not. Again, if it did he is as a big a scum bag as you and good on his wife for divorcing him. And you keep missing the point about "defender of women's health". If the risk taken is consensual then it's ok. But your wife gets no consent because she has no knowledge of what you are doing. Pretty fucking simple, njcsfan. You keep pretending like you don't understand this, by I know you get it, and hence all your guilt. As for wondergrl. Yeah, I just attacked her out of the blue. What a retard you are. She was displaying her trademark passive aggression at me forever. I didn't attack her though. I just asked her to just come out and say what her problem was, but she won't. Just more cheap shots. So again I pointed out her passive aggression and manipulative, and she flipped out first. (Now I'll admit there was some silliness on both side in the ensuing discussion, but as of now I think we're on ok terms. Unlike you and parody, and MisterGay she is capable of being reasonable and doesn't hold grudges forever.) But now, let's look at the real reason njcsfan is mad at me: njcsfan frequently used to agree with me on controversial threads. Indeed he even said something like my posts were often "very reasonable". But this all turned around when a couple of bad things happened to him: a) chandler called him down for not being the stud he was because he still had to pay for it; b) chandler and myself both pointed out how whipped he was by wondergirl Apparently he is very sensitive about wondergirl for some reason. He even said he would punch someone out if it was real life because the guy said this particular stripper had nice breasts, which I would say is a complement to a stripper. (And he calls me "demented", well let me tell you folks, this is how I KNOW that his father was an alcoholic?) Did anyone flip out even 1% as much as njcsfan over that complement? Ok, so here's what's really going on, no doubt: The guy obvious has anger management problems. Probably due to an alcoholic father. And if he is banging 20+ hookers a year and not telling his wife, he clearly has marital problems too. He says it's just about the sex, but I think from his defensiveness of wondergirl we know that he is really look for some female friendship to fulfill something missing in his marriage. Why else would he flip out like he did? Did anyone else get even 1% as mad? But, in the end, it's just really disappointing to see that njcsfan cannot answer the question. Even if I was lying on this board (I have not) it would not be even 1/100 as bad as the lies he tells his own wife. njcsfan it's obvious that you are the one who hates women. Your wife especially. Just end these debates and do the right thing and tell her!
  • clubman2
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    16 years ago
    Bobbyl, regarding the comment njscfan fliped out about, yes, I was really pissed. At the time and still, that comment came accross as more than an appreciation of her breasts. It, particularly with the smile face at the end seemed as though he was claiming to have had sex with her. Whether true or not, that is not something that is appropriate to post on the board paricularly about another board member. And frankly the explanation given made no sense at all. It was not somethig that anyone would infer from the original comment posted. Perhaps it was just poorly written but that IS the way it came accross.
  • MisterGuy
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    16 years ago
    "I don't remember David9999 saying he had sex with strippers." Dude, what do you think his incessant ramblings about all the "top-shelf/quality" stripper pussy that he was supposively getting was all about?? Do you think he was just having dinner & cuddling with them?? Give me a break! "but as of now I think we're on ok terms." Sure, sure...after she completely & totally *owned* your ass in that other thread...LOL!!
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    clubman: well at least you are being reasonable now. I also do not recall you going ballistic and saying that if it was real life you would commit assault, which is what child-of-an-alcoholic njcsfan did. I do recall several posters saw no offense implied in the original post. Many even thought it was comical that others were reading way too much into it and over reacting. In any case, now you admit that there might have been no offense intended. Oh, but njcsfan is so certain that he was right (have ever seen admit that there was chance he might be wrong about something on here? hint: alcoholic fathers never admit their problems with drinking and anger) that he would have punched someone if he could. The ambiguity, in a sane person, would at least rule out an assault. But I guess not for child-of-an-alcoholic njcsfan. And, as I say, his over-reaction is perfect a demonstration of the "dementia" he imagines in others. But not that you have made me think about I see, I am being foolish to ask njcsfan to come clean with his wife. His misogyny is no-doubt a consequence of his relationship with his alcoholic father. First he needs to admit and come to terms with that. Maybe njcsfan should save a bit of that money he spends on whores and invest it in marriage counseling? Then we won't have to put up with allusions to assault here? Hmmm?
  • clubman2
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    16 years ago
    Bobbyl, while I do say "might" I believe that it would have appropriate, if in fact there was a possibility to read the original post as I did to have that clarified, not with an explaination that frankly, as I said made no sense, but with a simple statemant by the poster that he was not insinuating that he had carnal knowledge and that he apoogized if that was the way it was taken. It doesn't require a very big man to admit that his post may have been poorly worded. I think that would have been well received and a lack of that type of courtesy says alot to me. But that's my opinion.
  • MisterGuy
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    16 years ago
    Must...repeat...the same thing...again...& again...until it becomes true...in your own warped mind that is...
  • parodyman-->
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    16 years ago
    "It doesn't require a very big man to admit that his post may have been poorly worded. I think that would have been well received and a lack of that type of courtesy says alot to me." See bobbyl, all you need to do is admit that you can only talk out of your ass and all will be forgiven.
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    MisterGuy: As you can see, Bobby has made a big step forward. He's moved on from saying "njscfan's IQ is 13" to "njscfan's father is an alcoholic." Yes, he keeps repeating the same lie incessantly, but hey, that's his style. For Bobby, this is "progress." (He does seem a little stuck on that "gay" thing though.) Clubman: I actually went one better. I wrote the individual privately and asked him to retract his post. He refused and instead attacked me on the board.
  • parodyman-->
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    16 years ago
    "njcsfan calls ME a "liar"?" bobbyl, we ALL do! When we aren't calling you an uneducated pussy mother fucker.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    njcsfan still dodging the issue of whether it is ok that he lies to wife so he can fuck 20+ hookers a year.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    njcsfan: "I wrote the individual privately and asked him to retract his post. " From what I recall of the thread it was not a polite e-mail njcsfan. Heck, I received a unsoliticed hate e-mail from njcsfan myself once. As I say, I guess he never learned any diplomacy from his alcoholic father: only how to have violent outbursts.
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Gee, Bobby, all I did was tell you that I hope you enjoy yourself while you masturbate to internet porn. Since you admit yourself that you never have sex, I figured the assumption that you whack off was charitable. I didn't know at the time that you couldn't get an erection. You did not admit that you suffer from erectile dysfunction until a week or so later. So, anyway, I do apologize if I accidentally struck a nerve. It was not my intent. I was not trying to make fun of you for the fact that you cannot even get an erection. But really, don't be so sensitive. What difference does it make, given that you never have sex anyway? Well, gotta go; you know, I have "obligations". Have a nice evening. By yourself. Alone. (I wonder what that's like? Must be sad.)
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    Here's the "admission" that njcsfan is refering to (quoted in context as a typical example of njcsfan's disinegnuity): [view link] "Alcohol's not my cup of tea. Now other drugs. That's a different story. And, yeah, it often has been Viagra to the rescue." Yeah, some ED when taking certain drugs (recreational ones which affect blood pressure). No problems when not high however. More examples of njcsfan lying. You got to love it when the troll can't even keep his lies consistent. So let's see according to njcsfan: I'm 13. I have no money. I have unprotected sex with "countless" strippers. I am a homosexual. I have erectile dysfunction. I never have sex. How many inconsistencies can you count? Nice try troll-girl!
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    ^^^ man did I kick that fucker's ass again, or what? He makes it too easy for me. Open Invitation to TUSCL: parody, njcsfan, and MisterGay were too easy. I wanna crush a more talented troll. Send me a better one!
  • clubman2
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    16 years ago
    Bobbyl, I am going to try an act as an impartial referee or judge. Given the foregoing about keeping the lies straight, that is not necessarily a win. It could be said in defense of that string that: you are 13, with no money, have unprotected sex with male strippers in which case erectile dysfunction is not a problem. I'll give you one point for the no sex unless directly infered that it be with a woman. Suggestion, drop this onging attempt to be the top dog at putting people down. That's not really an acomplishment to be proud of and just cast you in a light as someone who has nothing of value to say. On top of which it's getting old. If you are that bright show it with significant input of value.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    clubman: you may have a point. and besides I've busted those trolls asses pretty good and I don't think there are any more left to bust on this board at this point in time. I will seriously consider your council.
  • parodyman-->
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    16 years ago
    "I will seriously consider your council." Then he will decide to continue on as the same old jag-off he has always been.
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Bobby: Simple question: Have you had sex even once with a female in 2008?
  • parodyman-->
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    16 years ago
    njscfan, Do cadavers count?
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    njcsfan: Even though you have not answered my question to you (and I know you never will) I'll answer yours. The answer is "yes". Now that being said, on the advice of clubman, I've decided to take a little break from busting you trolls (having already busted your asses so thoroughly, and none of you being much a challenge): So have at it. I'll let you little children have your little party for a bit. Should be amusing.
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Convenient that Bobby's decided to cut off debate at this point. That's because he knows he just reached a dead end. Bobby says he hasn't had a girlfriend since "last year." He also says he's never been to an escort. He also says he would never, ever risk infecting a "civilian" (he doesn't care about strippers). So he would wait 16 weeks (that's 4 months) after having sex with a stripper before having sex with a civilian. And he would fully disclose to the civilian about his prior unprotected sex with strippers. All of which means Bobby could not have had sex with a civilian in 2008. No girlfriend. And, obviously, he would not pick up a chick in a bar and say, "hey baby, come back to my place. Oh, by the way, I've had unprotected sex multiple times with strippers in the past year. You're cool with that, right?" That leaves strippers. So if Bobby is claiming he's had sex in 2008, then he would have to have had sex with a stripper. Ah, and there's the rub. Because the next question, of course, would be to ask Bobby to identify the strip club where he's met a stripper that would have sex with him. And that Bobby will not (and cannot) do, for the same reason he will not (and cannot) post a strip club review. That's Bobby's whole problem. He's caught in a web of lies, and he can't come up with a coherent story anymore. That's why he doesn't want to talk about it anymore. Bobby, I accept your unconditional surrender. It would be nice if Bobby would disappear at this point. But as chandler and shadowcat have pointed out, Bobby will just return under a new name. His vocation as tuscl's troll is his avocation.
  • MisterGuy
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    16 years ago
    IMHO, any young man that has to take a pill to get an erection has a problem, and it's not alcohol... "'I will seriously consider your council.' Then he will decide to continue on as the same old jag-off he has always been." Amen to that...and the meltdown continues!
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    Ok, I get the part where he deduces that I've had sex with strippers in 2008. However, I am not sure he goes from "has not" (or even "will not") post a review to "cannot". Can someone help me out here?
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Prove me wrong Bobby. Tell us the strip club where you've fucked a stripper. Better yet, post a review of the place. Oh, I thought Bobby wasn't going to respond further. Hmmm, kinda like when he supposedly puts people on ignore. MisterGuy: Don't pick on Bobby for having a dead dick. If he damaged his prostate (and we can imagine a few ways that might have happened), then it's understandable. Poor guy.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    I didn't say I won't espond I'm just trying to do so without "flaming". I haven't fucked any strippers ITC this year. Like to meet them OTC.
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Uh, huh. And from what club?
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    I'll tell you what njcsfan. You're asking alot of questions here. I'll answer that one. But first you have to answer one very simple question of mine. Deal?
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Ha ha, you lose. Sure, Bobby, I have to tell you my social security number, before you identify one club that you've ever visited. Give me a break. Tell you what, Bobby, I will answer the very same question I've asked of you, and unlike you, I won't put any pre-conditions on it. I will tell you exactly where I've had sex with strippers ITC in 2008. Guess what? I've already answered that question, because it's spelled out in my reviews. You ask why I say you "cannot" write a club review. Simple: you've proven you cannot, by your consistently evasive response to these very simple questions. I've been very straightforward on this board about my life, and haven't pulled any punches. If you don't like the fact that I cheat on my wife, that's your choice of course, but I've been very above board about it, from the outset. (As you know, you don't really give a shit one way or the other. You knew it all along -- I never hid it -- and you never criticized me for it. You only brought it up when I upbraided you for your pathetic attacks on wondergrl.) Like everyone else on this board, of course, I am not going to reveal personal information about my life, so that trolls like you can call me at home. But I've posted reviews of active strip clubs that anyone can read (well, anyone who is a member), and anyone who visits the clubs can see my descriptions of the clubs are accurate down to a "t". In your case, you repeatedly talk out of both sides of your mouth, and make increasingly ridiculous and incredible claims. Plus, you never post a review. That makes you pretty suspect in the eyes of everyone here. All I'm asking you to do is do what I (and hundreds of other people) have already done: identify the clubs you've allegedly visited. Read my reviews, and you will see I have already answered (in exacting detail) the simple question I am asking you to answer. Go ahead. Evade some more. Bob and weave. You're just proving my point.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    Too funny. No I don't care about your social security number, or address or phone number or real name or who your employer is. All that could be lied about, anyway. It was an ethical question I had in mind, no compromise of "real identity" required. I've answered lots of your questions here. I'll answer your question if you answer just one of mine. Hell if it's a straight answer, I'll even post a review! So what do you say, njcsfan. You up for it? Or are you too chicken? *bawk* *bawk*
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Bobby you can always ask any question, and if it's a reasonable one, I would answer it anyway, without expecting anything in exchange from a dirtbag like you. (Remember Bobby, I'm convinced you are totally untrustworthy, so it's really not possible to make a "deal" with you.) But I don't need to agree in advance to answer a question I've never seen. That's absurd. Again, my actions here are all above board. You're the one evading, not me. Whether I answer your mystery question or not (we can't tell, because you won't say what the question is), that still leaves you failing to identify any strip club you've ever visited. Ask yourself who is being straightforward and who is being evasive. I ask simple, straightforward questions that I have already answered for myself. I ask you to do what everyone on this site has already done (except you): post a review. You won't do that, unless I agree in advance to answer some mystery question, but you won't even say what the mystery question is. Sorry Bobby, but you're the one who looks like he's trying to hide something, not me. By the way, did you actually just make chicken noises? Bobby, if you are really trying to convince us that you are a mature adult, trust me, that's not the way to go. I'd expect better from my kids.
  • MisterGuy
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    16 years ago
    "I've answered lots of your questions here. I'll answer your question if you answer just one of mine. Hell if it's a straight answer, I'll even post a review!" Bullshit...plain and simple...
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    njcsfan: "You're the one evading, not me. " On the contrary, njcsfan. I've been asking a simple question which you have been evading all thread. I'll try again, but I know you won't answer (but maybe some miracle will happen and you wll). If you do answer I will tell you the name of a strip club I've been to. Heck, if you give me a straight answer rather than a weaselly one (my prediction) I'll even write a review of it! Heck, I'll even let you specify what you would deem "suffecient detail" to guarentee its authenticity. (Only thing. For obvious reasons I will not specify the real names of any girls who did extras either OTC or ITC.) My question is the same as it has been all thread: Suppose (for the sake of argument, in reality I have not) that I really had told lies on this anonymous internet message board to complete strangers. Would that be better or worse than the lies you (admittedly) tell your own wife so that you can fuck 20+ hookers a year without her knowing? That's it njcsfan. Answer that one and I'll tell you a strip club I've been too. If your answer is straight then I'll post a review. (I predict you'll just try to evade it (like you evade responsibility with your wife) with something like "Well other guys on here do it, so why does it matter?) So you up for it, njcsfan?
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    "For obvious reasons I will not specify the real names of any girls who did extras either OTC or ITC." Should have said "real or stage names".
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Bobby's theory is that if I don't answer this with a "yes" or a "no" devoid of any explanation, then I have not answered the question. He acts, essentially, as if I am on the witness stand, and he's the prosecutor. That's bullshit, of course, and is just Bobby's way of avoiding admitting that he can't post a review. In any event, I will give him his yes/no response, but I will also give a full explanation of my views. The problem with the question is that it is comparing apples to oranges. In other words, the question presumes that Bobby always tells the truth in his off-line life. If that were true, then Bobby would be right: It would be morally less cuplable to lie all the time on the internet to strangers about meaningless nonsense, than to lie even once to people in your real life. So if we go with your assumption, then you are right: it is worse for me to lie offline than it is for you to lie online. The problem with the question, of course, is that I challenge the assumptions underlying the question, on several levels. First, I don't agree that just because you say so, it must be true that you never lie offline. As far as I know, you may be one of the most persistent liars in the world. For example, you claim that you would never have sex with someone unless you tested yourself for every known disease, and you waited 4 months after each sexual encounter, and you also fully disclosed to the person your sexual history. Respectfully, Bobby, I have a pretty hard time believing you are being even vaguely truthful about that. For one thing, you lie on line regularly, and it has been very easy to catch you in your lies. Precisely because this is a place to let it all hang out, your propensity to lie on line suggests you would readily lie in "real life." For another thing, you have stated other things, repeatedly, that suggest you have very little respect for your fellow human beings, and very little regard for their well being. A guy who thinks it's ok to have unprotected sex with strippers, in my view, is not a guy I would trust. A guy who regularly calls strippers "degenerates" is not a guy I would expect to treat them with any concern. So, for all I know, you are far less honest in your relationships with others than I am. For all I know, you are far less respectful of the safety and well being of others than I am. What do we have to go on to believe otherwise? Nothing but your word -- and that's the whole problem, because we have no reason to believe anything you say. (By contrast, you have a good reason to believe I am being completely truthful. I have been very candid and honest about being married. If I wanted to avoid any flack on this board, I could have just lied and said I was single; or lied and said my wife/girlfriend knows all about the strippers and is fine with it; or whatever. My candor, even on an issue that is bound to make me unpopular with some of tuscl's moralists, is a good indicator that I am being straightforward all around.) So once we begin comparing apples to apples, and oranges to oranges, your entire moral comparison between the two of us falls apart. Online, I am truthful, and you are a liar. Offline, I cheat on my wife, and you ????? Well, we don't know what you do offline. You could be a child molester for all I know. So there is no way anyone can make a comparison between my offline behavior and yours. The only thing we can compare is our online behavior. More fundamentally, however, I reject your entire moral calculus. I reject the idea that you judge the moral worth of a human being by focusing exclusively on one thing they've done or one aspect of their lives. My view is that you need to look at the entire fabric of a person's life. You can judge me all you want (again, as I've told you, I am firmly convinced that your entire expression of outrage is just your way of being a troll, and in reality you don't care about anything at all). But I think people have to be judged on the context of their entire lives. And you don't know much of anything about my life. In my view, I don't assume that a man who cheats on his wife is necessarily a bad person, and I don't assume that a man who never cheats on his wife is necessarily a good person. It depends on how they conduct their lives as a whole. I've known people who cheated on their wives who were on the whole good people, and I have known people who were scrupulous in sexual matters who were rotten people. Frankly, I think it is a peculiarily American point of view to judge people so harshly on sexual matters. In most of the rest of the civilized world, there is a good deal more tolerance for a variety of sexual behavior. Whether you like it or not (or whether as I suspect you don't care at all), I am comfortable with my relationship with my wife. She's very happy, very glad we found each other, and we have a great life together. She suffers no harm from my extracurricular activities. Would she be upset if she found out? Sure. But if she doesn't find out, she suffers no harm. I know, you'll go on one of your disease rants now. For someone who says its ok to have unprotected sex with sex workers, it's pretty hard to take you seriously. Contrary to what you claim to do, I've always practiced safe sex, and in doing this for 25 years, have never caught so much as a cold. Is there some theoretical risk? Sure. There's also a risk that when I take my family out in a car, we'll get in a car accident (and no, I don't always obey traffic laws). Life is full, absolutely chock full, of calculated risks, including risks that we subject other people to on a daily basis (e.g., every time we get behind the wheel). The only way you could live a risk free life would be if you cut yourself off from most people and lived a very empty life. (Gee, but that's probably the life you live, right?) If you are really concerned about lowering the risk level in the world, especially for other people, I suggest you wear a condom. That will do a lot more to protect others from harm than your lectures. (Your idea that a stripper "consents" to being exposed to disease would only be true if it were informed conssent -- and that would require you to give her a detailed sexual history, which obviously you never do.) What about the importance of never lying to people? Great in principle, but I am convinced it is followed by no one in real life. All people (especially the most self-righteous judgmental people on earth) lies to other people, and again, on a daily basis. The person who is always honest with everyone he ever meets would soon have no friends. ("Hey, do you think I should lose some weight?" "Oh god yes, you're really fat.") I can love my wife without always telling her the truth about everything (just like I love my children, even though I do not always tell them the truth about everything either.) What about sexual fidelity? I have no objection to someone who wants to live that way, but I think anyone who thinks that's the only possible way to live is a little naive. For me, it is possible to be truly in love with one woman, but be sexually involved with more than one woman. My sex drive does not turn off the minute I leave my house. For some guys, absolute sexual monogamy is a moral imperative. For me, it's not. I just don't think there's anything wrong with having sex with more than one woman. And obviously, I'm not alone. At least 25% of all married men cheat on their wives. Most people who study that issue think the figure is actually higher (because the guys lie about it), and further the figure for unmarried men in LTRs is higher still. The only difference between me and most of the married guys on this site who cheat on their wives is that I don't lie about it here on tuscl. For the guys who are not married but who swear they'd never cheat, why don't you try getting married and then report back. I'm betting there is a good chance you'll learn something new about yourself. (And while we're on the subject: for me, sexual fidelity is less important than emotional fidelity. We have a particularly moralistic poster here on tuscl who thinks it's great to cuddle up to naked young women -- but not fuck them -- and it's also ok to pay an ex-stripper to be his friend. And, on top of everything else, he says the ex-stripper is his very best and closest friend. Gee, that must make his wife feel great. Personally, I would find that a much greater betrayal than merely having sex with someone. My wife is my best friend, not some girl I pay money to.) Bobby, don't worry, I don't mistake you for a second as someone who has any morals at all, so I don't think of you as someone who is genuinely judging me about anything. I realize it's all an act on your part (see below). But for anyone on tuscl who does judge me about this, you know, I don't care. I have a strong sex drive and a large sexual appetite, and I always have. I am not going to limit myself to having sex with one person for the rest of my life. My wife is very happy with our life together, and the girls always leave the room with a smile on their faces. As long as I'm keeping everyone happy, I fail to see why it is the concern of anyone on tuscl. But like I said Bobby, I don't really suspect you of genuine moralizing. You are -- as everyone knows -- an internet troll. The rest of us are here because we are interested in strip clubs. That's why we actually go to them, and that's why we post reviews about them. You go online solely for the purpose of being a provocative jerk, and trying to yank people's chains. You've failed to yank mine. I've given this detailed answer, solely so that anyone reading this will see that I have been forthcoming in every possible way. And thus everyone will see that you have no excuse for not posting a review. If you finally do post a review, and it turns out that you actually go to strip clubs, you know what, I will be the first to say "welcome to tuscl." But if you don't, then everyone will see you are just a troll, and no one will ever pay attention to you anymore. Bye, bye Bobby.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    njcsfan: Thank you for FINALLY admitting that lying to your wife would be worse than someone who lies to complete strangers online! You have earned your review!
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    Hey, njcsfan. I'll try and keep this short and not flame. a) You say I lie all the time online and it easy to spot them. I think it's more the case that you misremember thing or believe that I have said things I have not said because parody and MisterGuy claim that I have. Name one lie I've told. (And, no, out of context sarcasm does not count.) b) You say you never lie online. But then how do you explain your inconsistent statements: I am 13. I am a homosexual. I have have no money. I have unprotected sex with "countless" female strippers. I never have sex. I have erecticle dysfunction. I cannot publish a review because I have never been in a strip club. It's logical impossible for all these statements to be true. So you must be lying about one.
  • parodyman-->
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    16 years ago
    "logical impossible?" What is that?
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    (a) Easy: you said you put me on ignore, and then immediately responded to one of my posts; you repeatedly state that my father is an alcoholic; you state that parodyman is gay; you state that wondergrl is trying to have sex with other people on the site; you state that MisterGuy is gay; you state that I emailed you that I had trouble with my marriage; you state you have had repeated acts of sex with 5 strippers and an unspecified number of civilians, and had a girlfriend (a girlfriend you spent so much time with she wanted to marry you), all in the space of one year, yet claim you always wait 4 months of abstinence before testing for every known disease, and then fully disclose your sexual history. (Mathematically impossible. There are only 12 months in the year, which would limit you to 3 different sex partners in the year.) I think that's enough lies for one day. (b) Also easy: you're a troll. Everything you say about your offline life is potentially fabricated, hence nothing you say can be trusted. Maybe you're 13 years old. Maybe you're a pathetic 68 year old geezer on social security. Maybe you regularly have unprotected sex with strippers. Maybe you're a virgin. Who knows? Asked to identify where you supposedly had sex with a stripper in 2008, and conveniently you identify one of the most famous and largest clubs in Vegas. Wow. Also conveniently, you've never identified a single fact about yourself that would allow anyone to estimate whether anything you say adds up: your approximate age; where you live; what you do for a living, etc. Sounds like a guy trying to avoid being trapped in a lie. By the way, only one of the descriptions of you in your post is inconsistent with the others, namely, that you have had sex with strippers. Funny thing, that's the very claim I most doubt to be true. Remember Bobby, I only responded to your inquiries because you asked. If you don't want to hear an answer, don't ask the question. Admittedly because of my age, I was not familiar with the concept of internet trolls. I am now, though. And you clearly are one. In just the last week or so, you've tried to launch attacks on me, shadowcat, parodyman, MisterGuy, wondergrl, chandler and other posters to boot. Perfectly matches the profile of a troll, whose goal is to disrupt the board. Curiously, the one guy you defend loyally is David9999. Interesting. Does that answer your question?
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    Too funny! njcsfan: you are just plain lying or imagining I said things I didn't (probably the former). I won't break it down point for point. However, I'll just analyze a couple of examples for the edification of anyone (is there anyone?) reading this thread. Let's take this one: "you state you have had repeated acts of sex with 5 strippers and an unspecified number of civilians, and had a girlfriend (a girlfriend you spent so much time with she wanted to marry you), all in the space of one year, yet claim you always wait 4 months of abstinence before testing for every known disease, and then fully disclose your sexual history. (Mathematically impossible. There are only 12 months in the year, which would limit you to 3 different sex partners in the year.)" You are partial correct. I have had sex with five strippers in the last year, and before that with a gf who wanted to marry me. The five strippers came after the gf. I never claimed that I ALWAYS wait 4 month between partners. That is your big "mistake" I said I was doing it now because it was time to get a gf. For strippers and other whores there is no time out. Heck, I might even do a couple of them within a week or two weeks of each other. Get this: even in the period when we would expect STDs caught from one to be asymptomatic but still transmissible to the next! How about that? Anyway, "nice" try at math. In b) your logic is a little broken here: You say that if you claim I am gay that is not a lie, b/c everything I say is potentially fabricated, and I really could be gay. Your "you are gay" weakened to "maybe you are gay". However, by that logic, since everything you or anyone else says on here is also potentially fabricated from my POV, then by your "logic" I too can say someone is gay and not be lying. Ooops! Made a little logic blunder there, just like your math blunder in a). Anyway... Looks like I've crushed your troll ass once again! You really make this too easy for me. I have no idea what you do for a job, but I sure as hell hope it is nothing involving law. If it is truly pity your clients.
  • BobbyI
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    16 years ago
    ^^^ holy shit! Did I smash that troll to smitherens once again or not... Man, do you really mean to tell me he had all his hopes pinned on me not being able to post of review despite what others warned him? Bad read, njcsfan, bad read. Given your poor judgment I sure hope your not responsible for making any important decision that have consequences for others.... Anyway... Time for you to go join parody and MisterGuy on the troll heap of TUSCL! *victory dance* *LMFAO*
  • njscfan
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    16 years ago
    Bobby: a legend in his own mind.
  • parodyman-->
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    16 years ago
    "njcsfan calls ME a "liar"?" -- The rest of us just call you dick wad or scat's bitch.
  • MisterGuy
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    16 years ago
    "I am quite a charming guy" LOL...since when?? "However, by that logic, since everything you or anyone else says on here is also potentially fabricated from my POV, then by your 'logic' I too can say someone is gay and not be lying." Huh?? You say that people are "gay" because you are feebly trying to insult them you fool! And then you recently backtracked on even that based on something that *I* told you before about that being a totally ineffectual way to try and insult someone!! The world that you apparently live in Bobby-boy is very warped indeed. Congrats on being bullied finally into posting a "review" here...should we expect one every year from you from here on out?? LOL...
  • parodyman-->
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    16 years ago
    "I am quite a charming guy" -- So was John Wayne Gacy.
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