Christian Dancers (Hardcore) and The Power of Faith . . .
It seems like most of the dancers that I meet at the low end clubs are Christians. Gambling dancer (capitalization done for special effect) is an avid Bible reader especially the plain English version----she wanted me to go to church with her; very nice of her to ask, imo. :)
Generally, I see religion in all guises as basically food for the desperate or unwashed---yes, very judgemental. Worse yet, in that I've personally experienced "miracles," which I wouldn't expect anyone to believe. Doesn't mean the "miracles" were God based---there are other explanations.
But, there are definite positive sides to religion as well as to non-belief. It's funny almost universally the Christians that I know react with abject horror if I tell them about Christian Dancers (not sure if I like the caps like that). If I tell them about a Christian Druggie, then the response is more like one of concern or a prayer to God. Even a Christian Pedophile would probably get a more sympathetic response than the Christian Dancers are getting.
Is the harsh negatives a question of profits? Perceived exploitation of weak men especially a husband trying to support his family? Gender bias against or in favor of women? I mean if I told Christian Friends and other Christians that I was a believer, but sinned by going to clubs my expectation is that generally I receive support. Or, maybe it is just the Christians that I've been talking with aren't too representative overall.
My off the cuff guess is that generally all other things being equal the Christian Dancers give "better" dances. :) Or, maybe that is just my bias in favor of a certain faith? :)
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I personally do not believe in God. Nor do I spend my free time bothering others about their spiritual beliefs. Part of the Christian mission is the saving of souls. They take conversion seriously! Maybe they get extra heaven points for each person they brainwash.
What really gets me is the intolerance they have towards others along with the face of righteous moral indignation they love to wear. That and the way they have bought their way into the political arena in the eighties. Now that they have gotten their foot in the door, getting them out of government is as pleasant as scraping dog shit from your shoe with your finger.
At one time I remember a good number of tolerant Christians as well as limited government conservatives. Both groups seem to have vanished.
Never thought I'd be looking forward to a Democratic sweep, but if government force is the way then I see them as the lesser of two evils.
And, perhaps with modern technologies both the tolerant Christians and limited government conservative must meet the dust pan of history. I will say most of the Christian Dancers that I've met seem very tolerant and forgiving. Maybe the trick is to by force of law require Christians to be strippers during their prime years. :)
BTW, I'm an agnostic.
As far as dancers I've never asked one about religion. Everyone has heard the sayings that "church girls are freaks" though...
Unfortunately, by and large I didn't meet those kinds of church girls or may be my Alpha male skills weren't finely honed enough.
Thank Heavens for Christian Dancers. :) They must be liberals cause they don't push their religious beliefs too hard----mainly they find it hard to believe a person could be without a God or more. :) They also find it hard to comprehend that other Christians could condemn them just for working at a stripclub.
Before you ask, no, it's not a cult, it's a mainstream (Methodist) church. These people have been nothing but kind, loving, and forgiving. When my car was broken down, they chauferred me around, turning down gas money. They tried to hook me up with a mate (both gals were very flawed). They also ask:"How are you doing?" then wait for an answer, offering solace if I'm down or sick. Most people use "How are you" just as a "don't bother me" greeting.
I have gone to churches near my home church, and found them wanting. My church has a unique collection of people who actually practice Christianity 7/24, not just for a couple of hours Sunday morning. Therefore: I believe there are dancers who are christian in religion and practice. They might be few and far between, but they do exist.
Let me close with this-Christianity is supposed to a brotherhood of man-look after your fellow man. I am super turned off by bible thumpers who try to guilt people into thinking and acting a certain way. My fellow churchgoers practice the brotherhood part, but the thumpers should be disavowed and should come with a disclaimer.
Reading what you had to say reminded me of an article in the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal. The solution to many problems that can't be found in organized religion because people are becoming jaded or too intolerant is CREDIT CARD DEBT. The higher the debt the better because that makes people more responsible: No money for drugs or slacking from work or harmful dissent.
My neighbor just explained that he voted guilty because he couldn't afford to miss work and although there was disagreement among the jurors the workers among them just wanted out of the jury and would vote for whatever would free *themselves* faster. Besides as he told the other jurors his English is so poor (the government knew and approved of his inability to understand English; btw, he will often use me as an interpreter) he really didn't understand what anyone was saying, he just wanted to get back to work so he could pay his bills. A beautiful system for those in control. His wife was disgusted. He told her what can I do? They know I can't understand English and they still want me on the jury and I can't afford to miss work. She says was he guilty? He says he doesn't know, but there was disagreement among the jurors about the man's guilt. She says why did you vote guilty? He says he had no choice because he couldn't understand what was being said and just wanted to vote to leave. He says you want me to miss work? She shakes her head NO.
Basically, the opinion piece in The Wall Street Journal opined that make the most important thing in the world to them is staying employed. It ends strife and increases productive work.
However, organized religion still had its place assuming the leaders of the various mainstream religions would agree to work together. If not, then debt could be used as replacement to accomplish similar positive social goals.
BTW, as Christians neither he nor his wife accept Christian dancers because the activity is clearly contrary to The Bible in their opinion or more likely in their pastors' opinions (they go to multiple churches for safety sake).
You are the exception man. Be proud of yourself! You were able to lay your theological cards on the table, say this is my life then stop there with no judgements about the rest of us. I am glad you found something that makes you happy and certainly didn't mean to lump you in with my experiences.
I'm *tempted* to agree being an agnostic, but I think the atheists when given the opportunity do very well with their own killing fields: From Stalin (20 million?) to Mao (30 million?) to Cambodia (3 million?) and let's not forget the Tutus and Hutus (6 million?).
The problem, imho, is that people overwhelmingly believe in using government force way to freely to achieve their intellectual, social, and financial goals. And, the religion doesn't do much except change the reasons for using government force to butcher, enslave, and control: of course the people advocating government force usually sincerely believe they're doing some "wonderful social good." O, let's not forget the cattle crowd: their government is always to be believed and supported.
As much as I like and believe in the Christian Dancers that I've met in general, giving them almost unbridled control over other people would probably soon corrupt their wonderful innocence. :(
I believe it's the hardcore extremists who believe in imposing their religious views on everyone else. At least that has been my experience while living in South Carolina. Maybe the Baptists teach looking down on anyone who isn't part of their religion but I'm not sure.
I've seen enough strange things to believe God does answer prayers. This may seem funny but I was just thinking, if people don't believe in God, that means they definitely should not believe in Satan. I remember meeting one atheist that did not even believe in the paranormal. He had a serious crisis of faith after living in the same suite with me and seeing and hearing things I said and did. I didn't even know I could accidently put someone into crisis mode. Satan worshipers haven't been trying to impose their views on me so why should I try to impose my views on others? Let's just all get along without forcing our religious views on everyone.
Please take this in the “spirit†<pun intended> that it is offered. I am not trying to be confrontational. I am just hoping you will clarify a few things for me.
casualguy: “Just in case some people didn't notice, I happen to be a conservative Christian. Do I go off spouting about it on here trying to convert others here? I think not. That must mean I'm tolerant. I've met a number of conservative Christian dancers in the strip clubs. I don't usually talk about religion when going to a strip club but some dancers will take offense if you start talking about all of them not ever going to church etc. The subject probably came up after the common question "what did you do today?" I often go to church once a week and then go to a strip club afterwards that evening.“
parodyman--> What do your conservative Christian friends think of your strip club activities? Would they approve of those dollars being tucked into g-strings? Or would they suggest your expendable income could be better used lining their collection plate?
Another question I have is an afternoon all it takes for you to lose that spiritual high you get from the word of God and end up in the local den of iniquity <strip club>?
casualguy: “I believe it's the hardcore extremists who believe in imposing their religious views on everyone else. At least that has been my experience while living in South Carolina. Maybe the Baptists teach looking down on anyone who isn't part of their religion but I'm not sure.“
parodyman--> Perhaps you should talk to your pastor. If he is an honest man, and I have no doubt that he is, he will tell you it is the duty of every good Christian to convert the unsaved. That is their basic mission. This is a universal thing not a denominational edict.
casualguy: “seen enough strange things to believe God does answer prayers. This may seem funny but I was just thinking, if people don't believe in God, that means they definitely should not believe in Satan. I remember meeting one atheist that did not even believe in the paranormal. He had a serious crisis of faith after living in the same suite with me and seeing and hearing things I said and did. I didn't even know I could accidently put someone into crisis mode. Satan worshipers haven't been trying to impose their views on me so why should I try to impose my views on others? Let's just all get along without forcing our religious views on everyone.“
parodyman--> This last paragraph is a lot to handle so I will tread carefully. You are correct in as far as the fact that I do not believe in God leaves me no room for the devil, pagan religions, superstitions or the paranormal. Is there a chance that your friend’s “crisis of faith†was aided by the ingestion of psychedelic drugs?
The other thing that confuses me about this whole paragraph is that you mention Satan worshipers not trying to convert you. That is because they do not follow the Christian mission. You will also notice that Jews, Muslims, Wiccans, those who practice Hoodoo, Voodoo and Santeria don’t actively recruit either.
Indoctrination of the non-believers is left to the Christians, the fringe cults and those dudes who believe in “magic underwearâ€. <Mormons, although they are also technically Christian.>
casual guy: “I tend to believe those who may be atheist haven't seen anything to change their views. I have experienced and seen a number of things that defy any scientific reasoning. I do find it interesting that some people believe in God but not in Satan. There are even some people that believe in a Galactic Federation of alien species in this galaxy but they don't believe there is a Satan or an evil fallen angel. ahh, I wasn't planning on talking about this subject on a strip club site.â€
Parodyman-->: Once again you start out with some truth. As an atheist I haven’t seen or experienced anything that defies scientific reasoning. Jews don’t believe in a devil. Why is it so hard for you to believe that not everyone thinks there is a devil? I know, it is because you have been brainwashed.
I am assuming that your galactic space alien crack was in reference to the Scientologists. Yes I think that a dead science fiction writer’s book is a silly basis for a religion. In fact it is just as funny as your bible to me.
Now this fallen angel business is even funnier. Who tripped him?
If you read this and get mad please do me a favor. Before you perform any exorcisms, roll on the floor speaking in tongues, or handle poisonous snakes, set up a video camera. That way you can put it up on you tube and give those of us who are rational a good laugh.
Some people have to see to believe. I won't argue with that. I could talk about paranormal things but I wouldn't expect you to believe a word I said unless you saw it and experienced it yourself.
So far I haven't seen Satan or dead people. I did see some doors open for me one windy night. Now that was spooky because they only opened when I approached the doors, in two different buildings. Never happened again though. You should have seen the guy in the lobby falling over chairs trying to get away from me when I first walked into the lobby. Very funny seeing his eyes look really surprised then run like crazy.
No pun intended or was it? Get lost, lol. I guess most people won't understand that.
Dumb movie, but her character was a riot.
Oh wait, did he play football in that movie? I do remember that now.
Little did my mother know that she talked to a stripper over the phone a few times asking if I was home. Maybe more than one but I don't remember anymore. That was many years ago. I told her she was one of my friends and she believed me. When I was in High School, the girl that really threw her and me a bit too was a girl I did not know. Hopefully she hung up the phone and wasn't eavesdropping. That particular girl said she wanted to go out with me but told me she was a lesbian. Then she said she wanted to try out a guy basically starting with me. My mother never knew what strange phone calls she was going to get. I didn't either. One evening 2 girls (I didn't know) said they wanted to sing to me. Another night when my parents weren't home, the cops called and ask to speak to my brother. I said he wasn't home. Probably the wrong thing to say. They said one of these days they were going to nail him. (supposedly driving too fast or reckless or something) Someone liked to call and complain to the police. He got even by revving his engine when he went by their house. Maybe someone in the neighborhood had a beef because he accidently knocked out power to the whole neighborhood one night during a big rival basketball game. I seem to meet a number of characters. One of my suitemates in college told me he made a one million volt generator that was interfering with air plane traffic signals. The FCC or someone made him shut it down. I think I'm pretty normal myself.
When my grand daughter was only 18 months old, she and my daughter were involved in a serious car accident. They were both air lifted to hospitals. My daughter only suffered minor injuries but my grand daughter suffered a brain concussion. She spent 21 days in the hospital and under went 3 brain surgeries.Then 3 years of physical therapy. Today she is a normal 10 yo.My daughter will not admit to being an atheist but has told me that it was not GOD that saved her but rather the doctors.
In ancient times, people believed in many gods. Rain, fire, fertility. We now think of them as ignorants. What makes it more believable today?
I find it easier to get through life without admitting that I am an atheist. How to stop the killing? Space exploration. We have to prove that we are not alone.
Sorry that I got off topic.
There was a dancer named Rain over at Secrets and she really got my fire going. :) She had this cross she was wearing and I asked if it was decoration. That seemed to take her off guard. She thought it was strange that someone would wear the cross for decoration. Been a long time, but I think she was named after the god Rain. Her parents were Christians, like her, and believed that Jesus created specialized gods to do his work.
Bottom line another wonderful Christian dancer so maybe the church does have something to offer.
What if it wasn't an AI in charge of the simulation we live in but a gigantic creature, one that may resemble a human but is only 5 years old. What if the entire universe fits inside his Ipod and he decides to terminate the program? Hasta La Vista baby as Arnold used to say.