Single? Mothers

Grandma

jackslash babysits them and feeds them lasagna.

Unsuspecting grandma who thinks her daughter is a bartender

Grandma works day shift

my guess that 2/3 of them have children.

A lot of the milfs I've met work day shift while their kids are at school.

I was at a club where a stripper had her daughter (about 10 years old) AT THE CLUB. Babysitting issue. The kid sat at the end of the bar doing homework under the watchful eyes of the bartender. Later she moved to the dressing room.

Yesterday was the dancer's kid's b-day. Was so great seeing pics of her kid, reding his text and then getting a b.j., wtf.

Yes, a lot of them have kids. IME it's usually either family or loser SOs at home with them.

===> "You call the guy who fucks her for free a loser."

There's no such thing as free. Fucking strippers for free costs too much. He's stuck with her when the fucking is done and the hee haw/ghetto drama ensues. 😉

Yes, at least half have kids I would guess. Most mothers in the US do paid work out of financial necessity. Stripper mothers do what mothers in general do in regards to childcare. Except that pre-school type daycare is generally not available nights and weekends. One of my favs would bring her baby to OTC sometimes.

Icey I have no disdain for them at all, just an understanding that I would never want that in my life. Fucking a girl and dating her are two very different things.

The only disdain I feel is for the loser SOs who are so broke and weak that they're willing to tolerate other men fondling and even fucking their women. Maybe adopting this us vs. them "trick" nomencature is how these weak men cope with being perennial cucks, Idk.

That should have been nomenclature lol.

I think a lot of strippers have kids, its less than half of the ones I see regularly but its still a good chunk. I think my body type preference skews my results from the average though, so my results may not be representative of the larger pool. Of the ones I talk to openly and don't suspect of feeding me bullshit to service a romance or pity hustle, the majority of the kids are looked after by a relative; usually the grandmother or aunt. Often times it's part of an exchange, they've all got kids that need watching and 1 of em watches them for the other 2 while they're at work. Or the ones with slightly older kids have them in school and aftercare programs.

I think the old stereotype that the day shift dancers are more apt to be mothers has some truth to it too. So customers who predominately are day shifters may have a different perspective than the late night crowd. I know around here, even with the law removing the 18-20 year olds, the night shifts tend to be more younger girls who are less likely to have kids. The Pompano clubs may be an aberration, with their strong day shifts and early closing times, but in Palm Beach and Dade where the clubs close at 5-8am, the average age at night is probably a solid 5 years younger.

===> "A lot of these dancers have no respect for the SO."

@RMD: I've seen this a lot too. But IME it wasn't because of the SOs desperation for sex. It was because their SOs became part of their financial burdens. Often this gets especially bad when a dancer gets burnt out and wants to stop dancing, but feels like she can't because she has to support herself, her kids (if applicable) and the loser SOs. Resentment quickly sets in from there.

Some of my best first time OTC events arose from these conditions. Girls who previously declined because they had SOs finally get fed up with it all and said fuck it.

From there the relationships fell apart sooner rather than later. The biggest trap that a loser SO can fall into is becoming dependent on the money that his stripper SO brings home. If he truly wants longevity with the girl and doesn't want her cheating on him, the best thing he can do is to try to get her off the pole ASAP.

@Dolfan, I think "moms on the dayshift" is an international phenomena, not just a SoFla thing. For example, I see the same thing in Tijuana where day shifters are significantly more likely to have kids than chicas working at night.

There's plenty of exceptions obviously, but on average, more moms during the day.

===> "Trying to change a woman is one of the easiest ways to lose her."

So is being dependent on her stripper income when she doesn't want to do it anymore or is even just having a bad stretch. The the loser SO just becomes one more burden.

I'm definitely not trying to save anyone, lmao. I'm just out to have a good time and leave the mess behind me when I'm done. Also, while I've been doing this way past long enough to recognize a hustle when I hear it, what do I care either way? If she needs to paint a picture for me to feel OK being bent face first over my hotel bed then cool beans. 😉

And yet again with the "trick" stuff? You sound like a goofy child.

I've always wondered what kind of POS a guy must be to rely upon his woman to mess around with other guys for his living. I guess I just can't imagine living the cuck life of a useless broke ass, calling the men she has to keep happy "tricks" to keep her under control and deflect from the fact that he's actually her biggest problem. SMFH. 😂

@RMD: I think that's part of it. But IMO their backgrounds also play a heavy roll. A lot of these girls grow up in broken homes, living hand to mouth, surrounded by other kids growing up the same way. To the extent that they had older male father figures in their lives at all, these guys inevitably disappointed them. They also learn to feel contempt for those who lead what might be considered "normal" lives, fueled in part by their general distrust of men.

So when they start dating, they gravitate to what they know and can relate to. You can't turn a natural born hustler into Betty Crocker no matter how much you wish to. I learned this all too well during my early 30s when I briefly dated a stripper, long before I became a regular club hound. We were just two different creatures.

Yes. I love milfs and that’s why I love day shift.

Icey, is that whole "fantasy" theory still floating around in the clubs? LOL. I haven't heard it for a while.

But anyhoo...I think most guys, and certainly long time club hounds, understand the difference between the "fantasy" (lol) a girl presents in the club and the likely reality of her real life. You can't turn an alley cat into a house cat, nor would I for one ever want to try. 😉

I'll leave the rest of that goofy nonsense alone, except to say that using the word "trick" yet again still makes you sound like a child. But I can see why you'd like the term. When you were living with and pimping out that crack ho, your useless broke ass needed a way to manipulate her while deflecting from the fact that you were actually her biggest problem. 😆

Sure Icey. 😉

I am again so glad I'm single again... ain't no problem seeing other ladies. I don't have to hide my activity. but it does cost some money because I got to pay spousal support. but it's soooo nice being away from her... going on 14 years now split and divorced.

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One of the dancers at one of my favorite clubs answered 80% to that very question, and much to my surprise, it included herself.🫤

@RonJax - I didn't/don't think moms on dayshift is the aberration, I think that's the norm. What I was trying to say was that I think Pompano not having such a strong correlation is unusual.

@ATAC, yep, I was told 90-95% where I frequent, and several had zero obvious baby damage 😲 That seemed shockingly high to me... but after thinking about it more, I've come across several YOUNG milfs over the years in various clubs

I think strippers are maybe more likely to have at least one kid than women in general in their 20s. Sometimes supporting kids is what motivates them to start. But, I think it may be more common that they plan a pregnancy, or keep an unplanned one, because they feel more financially secure than most people in their 20s.

===> "Keeping the pregnancy allows them access to child support they wouldn’t be able to get otherwise. "

Obviously you mean from the government, like SNAP, WIC and Medicaid for them and the kid(s). Because from the countless stories I've heard over many years, most of these girls seem to be collecting little if any meaningful child support from the baby daddies.

===> "The vast majority of men dont earn enough for high child support payments. Nothing to do with strippers"

Bullshit Icey. Out here in the real world plenty of guys are paying meaningful child support. You just don't know that because you surround your self with other fucktards like you. 😉

Icey, the average U.S. salary is 66k. That's more than enough to extract several hundred per month. I've seen it, countless times. Maybe leave your Mom's basement, stop using your fucktard pals as a measuring stick and visit the real world for a while.

===> "Most people make under 50k"

The median is 65k, so horseshit.

If 65k is the median, it means that "most" don't make under 50k. Google "median" dude. People in that tax bracket pay very little in taxes.

The median is usually lower than the average, which generally skews higher, the median is generally the center line,?with half below and half above.

The paying parent pays between 20-35% of their gross as child support, depending on variables.

My son and his wife have average jobs and pay more that their house pmt in child care. About $35,000 per year for two preschool kids. And that is after tax dollars. Of course they could pay less if they want some off the books unlicensed bullshit arrangement but they actually like their children.

RMD, you obviously have no practical experience with children, lol. Kids are expensive man.

Everything is more expensive, starting with more space for housing, a bigger car and insurance premiums on both. That's lots of added monthly payouts right there.

Health insurance and out of pocket medical costs (copays, deductibles) are also a real thing. Kids get sick a lot as their immune systems are developing and they go to schools that are basically germ factories. They also get injured sometimes when they are physically active.

Then there is dental costs. Even if you have dental insurance, there are also copays for every procedure beyond a routine cleaning (tooth pulls for stubborn baby teeth, fillings, etc. I paid $8k alone to put one of my kids in braces, which was not covered by any insurance.

And yes, food costs are a real thing, especially when they are in their teens and/or going through growth spurts. Teens will often eat anything not nailed down, so it's important to have good options. Fresh meat and produce are expensive, especially with a household full of kids who prefer fresh berries. Also add school lunch costs (easily $100+ per month per kid and often more), since you can't send a kid into school with a microwaveable container with last night's leftovers. 😉

Clothing is also a real thing since they grow out of it quickly. It's not an every month expense, but 2-3 times per year I pony up real money to update their wardrobes.

I won't even get into the costs of entertainment, holidays (especially Christmas), birthdays (them and presents for their friends who invite them to their parties), vacations, and other social and entertainment costs. Sure you can argue that these are discretionary, but what parent doesn't want to give their kids a Christmas or support their social activities?

And then there are extracurricular activities, like music, dance, travel sports teams, etc.,etc.,etc. One year I paid $10k for one child alone to to compete in an activity that the child became good in. I've pad lesser but still hefty annual amounts for the other kids to do different things. Again you could argue that there is a lot of discretion in these expenses, but what parent doesn't want to provide enrichment and competition opportunities to their children when they can?

They are very, very expensive dude.

@RMD: Dude, stop already. We don't need to hear how much your own braces cost 20 years ago, or how untalented you were in pretty much anything. You also obviously have no idea what can come up regarding kids medical, dental or other expenses. You also ignored everything else I talked about. You don't know shit.
But I will educate you on one thing RMD. You have been introduced to why single mom strippers really suck dick in much higher %s than the childless stripper population. It has nothing to do with basic expenses like healthcare and food. Most of these girls and their kids get free healthcare via Medicaid and they also get SNAP and WIC to help with food. Where a lot of their money goes is to giving their kids the lives that they see other kids living. Electronics (including smart phones), trendy clothes, birthday/Christmas gifts, nights out at the movies and in restaurants, etc., etc. Parents feel enormous pressure to give their kids what the kids' friends have. In many cases they are also battling guilt over coming up short for their kids. There's a reason why I budget extra fun money for the 3rd week of December. It is a magical time when NOs quite often turn to YESs. And it's not just OTC with strippers. Seeking also experiences a surge of what I call Holiday SBs, some who I see pop up year over year, lol.
This first clinic was free. The next one may come with a surcharge. 😉

===> "Dugan, whats funny on this particular topic is that unlike other areas where you could argue having “practical experience” it means jackshit in this scenario. "

Does it now Boy Blunder? 😉

Being a child once yourself gives you no insight into the current economic realities, nor does it educate you on what pressures parents face to do as much as they can for their kids.

Now could a parent bare bones it? Sure. Ghetto parents do it all the time. They get free medical and dental for their kids through Medicaid, buy cheap crappy (and often less healthy) food with help from food assistance (SNAP and WIC), live in cheap housing inevitably zoned for bad school districts, don't provide extracurricular enrichment opportunities for their kids (music, dance, competition sports for kids good enough to make travel teams) and do what they can afford for birthdays and Christmas. But the result of all of that is, not surprisingly, ghetto kids.

But the rest of us, those who don't produce ghetto kids and get free government assistance, spend a bloody fortune. I've already outlined it and you're arguing with me from a position of complete ignorance. I wasn't even exaggerating a little I'm sad to say. But if you want to keep arguing, address everything I said instead of cherry picking things that you know little about.

I won't even get into things like contributions to 529 plans for college, SAT prep tutoring, etc. It's seemingly fucking endless, lol, at least if you do it right.

===> "Nor is their shame in accepting the measly help the gov gives."

Hardly as measly as you believe. Combined SNAP and WIC food benefits for a single Mom and 2 kids are about $1,000 per month. On top of that, the same family is receiving absolutely free medical (and for the kids dental) care via Medicaid, which is also extremely valuable. In many instances, these families are also receiving housing assistance, disability payments (for the mom or one of the children) or both.

And this is part of the problem. We've made it too easy for too many to choose the path of least resistance. Over 20% of our population is on Medicaid, roughly 13% receive SNAP and almost 12% are on disability. A good chunk of the SNAP and Medicaid recipients are poor families. In 2021, over 40% of live births here in the U.S. were funded by Medicaid.

I’m not going to tell anyone about the costs of raising kids, I will just say I’m glad that I did have them, they’ve been a constant source of joy in my life, I couldn’t imagine my life without either of them.