Strip club game ain't broke...it's fixed

This is why nobody comes back. They don't get it. And then they die, good fuck 'em. FUCK 'EM.

I know we used slam dunk on SJG. And for good reason. And I don't mean to qoute him...but I will anyway

"buying lap dances is chump's game"

You know what, in hindsight...that fucker was A GENIUS

I'll pay the $10 for a bottle of water, it is what it is. I'll pay no more than $20 to enter. $50/LD, bite me.

I just saw you’re raviewing clubs in Oregon. You’re way too conservative to be out there, you better put a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker on your car and wear a REM concert t-shirt just to be safe.

Tell me muddy is broke without telling me muddy is broke 😭 😂 🤡

Im seeing clubs getting cheaper. Tourist traps are still tourist traps but look at spearmint rhino, $5 lunch deals. Clubs with $1 tacos. $300 premium bottles. $150 vip. $25 dances. No cover... $100 house bottles.

The really expensive places are just empty and sad nowadays unless theres a convention in town

Vegas clubs are a rip off? Hasn't this been common knowledge here forever?

The touristy vegas clubs. Local oriented clubs are getting better actually

I kept reading about the Palomino and their $66.00 cover. Went one time on a Sunday night to watch football and get dances and the cover was zero and free shots every score.

I think $25 lap dances, full contact, 3-4 minute normal song lengths is about my breaking point. I don't do air dances, I don't accept 2-min DJ cut song lengths, and very few lap dances are worth more than $25. That adds up fast if you want to buy multiple dances but don't want a timed room. I get ticked about paying a cover at all, but I can understand that people are tightening their wallets and going in just to hang and not buying dances or drinking much. I think $10 is my ceiling on cover charges.

All of this is like any other entertainment value proposition. I have found that I spend more time drinking and less time talking to girls in strip clubs because the beer is more attractive than the girls. I am not there to drink, I am there to ogle and be ground on. However, I'm not going to spend money when the dancers when they are not attractive or when they sit on their phones. So, yeah, owners/management/employees need to figure it out quick or they will be going out of business.

@ gammanu, I completely agree. It's not worth it to pay that much. Huntsville AL has clubs with $30 per song. It simply isn't worth it for common trips. Nowadays I would rather travel out of town than visit clubs in town with few exceptions.

I have to really like a the dancer to bother with multiple dances.

^$30/song. 3 songs, plus tip, you are out $100 in less than 15 minutes. That money would have been better spent in a casino.

I hate all things Vegas except the restaurants and Cirque de Soleil. Particularly Vegas strip clubs where you pay a lot for mid services.

My ceiling on the value of a good, high-contact, normal song length dance is about the same as Gamma's, $25. I'll get a couple $30 dances somewhere like Desire if I'm vetting her for VIP.

VIP/extras? Less worth it in general. Maybe my sex drive is just down but even $300 (including room) for rushed FS doesn't feel worth it, and OTC sounds like a safety risk and a hassle.

For the prices being quoted in here you could get a steak dinner, plus sides, plus drinks at Morton’s and still have some cash leftover. I try not to think about this when I blow $150 for a 10 minute dance at the club.

Part of this seems motivated by Muddy's Oregon swing. If you lurk in dancer forums, they all complain about how slow it is and how $300/night is considered decent now.

They blame over saturation of clubs, and they may have a point, but I don't think the evidence is in their favor. If it was a matter of too many clubs for the demand, then we'd see more clubs closing. Instead, the only club that's closed is The Venue, and that is due to the lot being sold. It sounds like they are looking to reopen at a new location.

Really, Oregon dancers should have it easy: a relatively high income metro that is low cost of living for a coastal city. Clubs serve alcohol, are full nude, and ID scanning is illegal for people obviously older than 21. Both dancing and visiting clubs have greatly reduced stigma compared to the rest of the country, and the police generally seem to leave the clubs alone.

I have to conclude that a huge part of the problem is cost of dances.

Strip clubs have a generational problem. As older white collar white guys die off, the young men replacing them seem to have that incel feeling bred into them.

^ It isn't just sex, I think the younger generations have a problem with human interaction as a whole.

^Couldn't agree more and I notice it at work where younger lawyers haven't figured out yet that if the clerk likes you, you're out by 11 and if they don't know you, it's 2:30.

"I have to conclude that a huge part of the problem is cost of dances."

@blahblahblahs this is absolutely the problem with Portland strip clubs nowadays. Oversaturation has been the norm for clubs here for years and dance prices were lower than now in years past. And this was never a problem. To me COVID hit and clubs/dancers used this as an opportunity to increase dance prices, and then prices never came back down. This is what drove me away from clubbing. It's just not worth it anymore out here. Now PLs aren't spending in clubs and ultimately take home pay is shit for dancers. If dance prices would get back down to pre-COVID rates, clubs would get more business.

20 years ago, Fantasies in Providence did 2/1 dances on Mondays and Tuesdays, during the day. Now dances are far more expensive at 30, although they recently went to 2 hours of 2/1 from 12-2. The club has mediocre dancers, a minimal regular clientele and I go into that huge building on some days and can hear an echo. 20 years ago, there'd have been 15-20 dancers working and 100 customers. I run my own business. Keeping things expensive in a bad economy prices people out. Before anyone tells me about the government statistics telling us things are great; just fuck off.

^ A lot of reports on fantasies are for dancers asking for more than 30. I honestly don't know why people go here when PVD has two other very good clubs with a couple of good ones in the burbs.

@SirLapdancealot

What compounds it isn't just the price, it is the risk. It's one thing to pay more for what you know is going to be a good experience. It is another thing when you have to invest $100 in a 3/100 just to see if the dancer is any good. At $20 or even $30 a song, just roll the dice and repeat until you find a good dancer. At $100, if everything isn't perfect, just walk out.

They’re gonna juice what remain g guys continue to go to the clubs still open. The true players find better ways to get serviced. I still find me $80-$100 for bbbj, but thinly due to having rapport. She knows I am not running around fucking random hoes. Ain’t nobody got time for that!

Is Barbara Streisand gonna give me hand job. I'm walking.

Really? Who would want a hand job from her - she's 82 years old!

Young people are socially awkward nowadays and would rather keep things online. Theyll think texting and adding each other on social media is deep interaction.

Guys see clubs as places to go as a group and flex for social media. On bdays and stuff theyll pay dancers to come hang out with them. They pay for sex. A lot of girls make money selling them drugs.

Its different.

^Couldn't agree more and I notice it at work where younger lawyers haven't figured out yet that if the clerk likes you, you're out by 11 and if they don't know you, it's 2:30.

Yep, I've experienced something similar. I had to see the clerk to schedule a trial in traffic court. While I was waiting my turn, others before me were kind of brusk and were having difficulty in scheduling a date. It seemed like it was taking forever. When my turn came, she looked up my case - doing 55 mph on a bridge with a 30 mph limit. I said that I'm not a lawyer, I would be representing myself and was preparing evidence for the trial. I asked if she could recommend some dates that were available. She was ecstatic that I asked for her advice. All dates were good so I asked her if she could select one, which she did. She said that I would appearing before judge (name) and in a low voice mentioned that he is not the regular traffic court judge. (wink, wink) On the day of the trial, the judge agreed my photos of a 30 mph sign and it placement established the speed limit in the city and not on the bridge. The cop went ballistic and told the judge they always get a conviction with that sign. The judge said, "not in my courtroom." The clerk knew I wouldn't have stood a chance with the regular traffic court judge. She helped me because I was nice to her.

If anyones in Vegas the Weekly has a coupon for free bottle service during dayshift at the Hustler club.