Jimmy Carter has passed

RIP. I'm a conservative but he always seemed like a decent human being, and did a lot of good in his post-presidency life.

In all honesty the Biden admin makes Jimmy Carter look like Augustus

He was a genuinely good person. I got to meet him and few times and he was one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet. His Presidency was largely doomed by factors beyond his control and people not understanding the real reasons behind him but he accomplished so much in the years after he left office.

With Carter’s passing the oldest living President is now Biden!

I was read he spent a lot of time as President personally scheduling the times people would play on the White House tennis court - and that he was really anal about it. Struck me as something really weird and wrong about that.

"With Carter’s passing the oldest living President is now Biden!"

What happens if Biden drops dead on Jan 20, just before Trump is sworn in? Kamala becomes like a 5-minute Pres?

He wasn't a very effective President. Indeed a lot of parallels can be drawn between his defense and foreign policy deficits and those of Biden. But he did do a lot of great things post-Presidency, including capably representing the U.S. in a number of foreign matters.

Idk. If I wasn't alive during the late 70s, then I might have a very positive view of him. But I lived through the hyper-inflation of 78-80 as the son of a blue collar worker and we suffered much because of it. I also witnessed our extraordinary humiliation on the world stage as our to attempt to rescue those U.S. hostages from Iran failed miserably, including planes that couldn't stay airborne and vehicles that got stuck in the desert.

So I guess my views of him will always lean a bit negative. But it's hard to argue that he didn't also do a lot of good once the reigns of power were handed off to more capable leaders.

He seemed like a decent guy, bit he was a terrible fucking president. His family owes a debt of gratitude to Joe Biden, at least Jimmy won't be remembered as the worst president ever anymore. Joe may carry that title until the end of the Republic.

@gamma - I wouldn't go that far. Nothing anyone since has done compares to the disasters of the presidents that led up to the Civil War, or Andrew Johnson and the still enduring effects of Reconstruction. The presidential "historians" who rank Biden as the 14th greatest president and Trump as the worst are appallingly lacking in perspective. It was an in-kind donation to the Biden campaign. A hundred years from now, if we haven't blown ourselves up, I don't either will be fondly remembered though.

How James Buchanon isn't considered a slam dunk for worst President ever has always amazed me.

@skibum - he is except for tendentious Trumpophobic dipshits who lack historical perspective.

No, I disagree. The magnitude of presidential fuckups is magnified exponentially in the time of an incomprehensively complex interwoven global economy, a intrusive and inescapable world wide digital communications network controlling every aspect of our lives under constant devastating threat from malicious hackers, pernicious algorithms, and AI, and hypersonic thermonuclear warheads capable of initiating a nuclear winter which would exterminate the human race. The stakes are.the same, but the consequences are something that Jackson and Buchanan could have never imagined.

^ Things need to be taken in context of the time.

What we have today, or 50 years ago in the middle of a scary Cold War that Reagan was able to end by economically collapsing the USSR, and back in the 1800s was different. POTUS Fillmore, Pierce and Buchanan did plenty to ignite the Civil War and post-Civil War was a serious problem as Puddy Tat mentioned. People think things are bad now, back then it was horrible. The big difference today is the threat of a nuclear strike by a rogue regime that doesn't care about life and death.

Kennedy having to deal with the Cuban Missile Crisis would have been horribly botched by many other POTUS including Carter, Obama and Biden.

These last 3 were not strong Presidents, and evil rulers knew and exploited it as we've especially seen the past 4 years plus the 12 under Obama (don't cross this line, well, I mean THIS line, now THIS line... plus ACA).

And plenty of questions remain about Biden, Inc and Bag Man Hunter. It is clear Biden was extremely soft on China for whatever reasons you want point is he was, the ME went to shit the past 3 years starting the with AFG bugout disaster and Russia well you know that hot mess.

Carter, became POTUS as people had it with Nixon and Ford, had his own a hot mess with the Oil Embargo/Energy Crisis (put on a sweater and set your thermostat to 68, odd/even gas fill-ups, and drive 55), Iranian Hostages and Stagnation (high inflation and high unemployment). A lot of this was ginned up by Nixon's Phase 1/2 Price and Wage control disaster - and to think Harris wanted to do it again with controlling grocery prices? However, he wasn't the right person to deal with it.

Oil Embargo: I remember a Honda motorcycle commercial during Carter that went like this: 200 years in the future at a museum - the 1st guy says, "It got 60 miles per gallon." The 2nd guy says, "Gallons of what?" The 1st guy says, "We don't know."

I agree 100% Carter was a great humanitarian his entire life. He was just the wrong POTUS for those 4 years. RIP.

He was a much better man than he was a president, but he was a *ver* good man.

His "dear friend"'s body was not even cold before he started abusing his legacy to score political points for absolutely no reason.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-t…

The funny part is that Carter went into hospice in 2022, but Joe Biden has been brain dead and his career on life-support since at least 2020.

@gamma - Carter wasn't a good president, but he was a good, moral human being. Biden is dogshit on all fronts, and now--if he's even making the decisions--he's trying to fuck things up as much as he can on the way out.

Doesn’t anyone here know how to offer condolences without editorializing the merits of your personal political point of view, this was posted to offer condolences and maybe offer a kind remembrance of a kind and gentle man. A man who did a lot of good in his life and selflessly gave his best to all. Regardless of what political views you happen to have, does anyone here think that rehashing the 1970s which by the way many of you pontificating here aren’t even remotely familiar with, because you’re mostly too young to have any firsthand knowledge of, is reasonable or even proper.
Take your opinions elsewhere, like maybe the political forum.

Thank you for the Camp David accords.

^Yes, they solved everything lol. No more war in the Middle East because of Carter. Great job Jimmy.

@25 - Did you ever think it WOULDN'T go in this direction? Jfc man

@Twentyfive: There were a LOT of condolences. I know exactly what happened in the 1970s. My question to YOU is: will you give condolences and care when Trump passes?

Look, all the Conservatives here said he was a great humanitarian, and the wrong POTUS (my words) at that time, and probably elevated to his level of incompetence beyond governor. Those are facts, and all parts of his historical footprints should be acknowledged objectively. The primary commentary is on his humanitarianism that was better than the VAST majority of anyone.

@Mogul
First this is not the politics forum,
Second I have not commented on Trump since the election except to say that he won and that I wish him well and pray for his success.
Third you may have been alive during Carters term as POTUS, but you and the majority of your fellow Trump fans, keep referring to the inflation of that time with no explanation that it was caused by the oil embargo during Nixons presidency, and it was in retaliation for the 1973 Israeli Arab war.
Fourth, despite Carters failings he appointed Volker, and eventually got inflation under control which both Nixon and Ford were unable to do.
And finally I would express my condolences upon the passing of Donald Trump, it wouldn’t matter what my personal feelings towards him.

According to Wharton Professor Jeremy Siegal (Stocks for the long run: A guide for long-term growth) oil prices were part of the inflation of 1972-1982. He also blamed currency speculators, greedy businessmen and avaricious union leaders as causes as well. Nevertheless, he postulated that the real reason was monetary policy starting after WW2; i.e, the financing of massive budget deficits supported by politicians. This is the same viewpoint as Milton Friedman, who satted that inflation is always the result of monetary policy. The saddest thing is that the defecit has ballooned astronomically since then; we are doing the same thing again, only worse; and because of the budget defecit and national debt that currently exists, we're running out of room and time to fix anything. Amazing that the movie comedy "idiocracy" actually turned out to be a documentary.

^^First sentence is a truth, the rest are lies. Remember that 25 is wrong every time he references a historical or political event. Every time. His track record is actually worse than Biden's. Everything he stated apart from this not being the political forum is factually inaccurate or a deliberate lie.

Jimmy Carter was a president of the United States. Of course his death will be seen through the prism of his success as president, of which Carter had none. Camp David accords with Egypt. Egypt has not been relevant in centuries. Trump's administration had more successes with more important players in the global economy and regional politics than anyone Carter (or Clinton, Obama, and Biden combined).

^ Weirdo you are a little fool

^ This is the response I expect when people go so far out on a branch there is no where else to go.

@Gammanu95: Egypt's only contribution the past 1,000+ years were ancient mummies. They were embalmed with oils and resins. In the 19th Century, as gross as this sounds, they were used in Europe for medicinal products, decorations (certainly not a Martha Stewart "Good Thing") and fuel. Trains used them for fuel. It eventually was stopped after people found out what the disgusting smell was from and the indecency of using the dead like this.

"...in the 19th century, Egyptians used mummies to fuel their locomotives. This was due to the lack of other combustible resources. Mummies were also used for medicinal purposes and as paint. Mark Twain reported in his 1869 travelogue that mummies were burned like coal to produce steam on the rail line from Cairo to Alexandria."

Mogul provides interesting color and trivia, 25 provides childish insults and kindergarten name-calling. It looks like TUSCL will end 2024 much the way it began.

I just don’t understand the derision of a guy who led an exemplary life just because he didn’t play for your team. This I state as a registered Republican. To politicize trivial topics is beyond compulsion, it’s myopic.

^ Exemplary life meaning what? He got absolutely rolled as president. Afterwards, yeah, he did a lot of good things with Habitat for Humanity and combating river blindness. He also kept fucking us up by meddling in foreign affairs. And had a woody for Palestine, one of the most fucked up cultures in the world.

I'm not going to rejoice over anyone's grave--and yes I think he was a fundamentally moral person (though not a good president)--but I'm not going to gargle his marbles just because he died.

Anything having to do with an elected official is inherently political. Don't know why OP thought it wouldn't go in this direction.

Jimmy Carter was my first ever vote for President. I have regretted it every day since then. I feel more from losing Linda Lavin than him.

I didn't agree with a lot of his politics, but he is one of the few politicians that I can say I honestly respected. Unlike most presidents, I believe he made decisions based on what he thought would be right for the country. They weren't always the right choices as it turns out, but he made them for the right reasons rather than making decisions based on what would be best for him personally. That is a rare quality for anyone, let alone a politician.

Everything about him showed that he was just a good man trying to make a positive difference for as many people as he could.

His charitable work, especially with Habitat for Humanity, is an inspiration to a lot of people. I wish more retired politicians, and more people in general, would be as committed to doing whatever they can to help others. Sure, some politicians start a charitable foundation, but few if any put as much of their own time and effort into the cause they claim to support.

R.I.P. you ol' peanut farmer.

I would be interested to learn - and maybe someone knows an article or interview that answers this- why an apparently smart and moral man would want a second term as president after his first term was such an absolute failure. Why couldn't he look objectively at the country after his first term and admit that someone else needs to lead the nation out of that mess. Biden is easy to understand- his arrogance, narcissism, dementia, and avarice has rendered him unable to look objectively at his record and results. He thinks he was running the country, but his bureaucrats and shadow government were running it. He thinks he did well, but he allowed ruin to befall us under his mismanagement. He thinks he could have won a second term, like he never unveiled his feeble-mindedness while unrecoverably losing the debate with Trump. Carter was none of those things- just an incompetent commander-in-chief. He was a terrible president who is only notable for his charity work well after his failed re-election campaign. So why did he run again?

One of the more interesting things I’ve seen was the voting map of the 1976 election. I was in high school but must not have been paying much attention. Apparently, girls, sports, studying and jerking off was more important to me.

Red vs Blue really changed. The far west was all red including California. But Carter 100% carried the Deep South including Texas. Oh my, have things have changed

California was bright red when I was a kid and the South bright blue. To be fair you had democratic hawks and Republican doves. Pro-life Democrats and Pro-choice Republicans. Each party had different wings, which encouraged bi-partisanship because mutual beliefs overruled party affiliation much of the time. Now the extremes have taken over the parties. If you're a Democrats you have to be a total wanker and support terrorists, Islam, pretending taking hormones changes you from a guy to a woman, open borders, which is murdering this country, allowing criminals to run free, permitting riots , looting and burning, as long as it is in support of criminals and making murder an offense similar shoplifting, as long as the victim is from a group less important than criminals. Republicans are now controlled by some dumb fuck with a homo name (Elon) who no one voted for. We (Me too) did vote for an assclown with a terrible comb over, an inability to shut the fuck up for 10 seconds, and someone who once he gets control, has not fucking idea how to do anything, so he backs off his promises and hurls insults. A businessman who's success is based on the fact his Father was smart, knew what he was doing and left the dumb fuck son so much money he couldn't possibly fail, as long as he did everything under corporate names, so only they failed.

^Results matter. Trump brought positive results, and was undermined by a criminal newsmedia and criminal democrat party which weaponized domestic law enforcement, intelligence, and terror groups. The Republicans were able to overcome that, but not when compounded with the Chinese Communists spreading their lab experiment around the globe so that all countries would experience the lab-leak pandemic with them. By contrast, Biden's failures were so immense and catastrophic, they could not be ignored or airbrushed over by the corrupt newsmedia. Hurl all the names and insults you want, I only care that we get the same course correction and positive growth in the right direction that we did in Trump's first term. It is not a cult, it is common sense.

@skibum - is there anyone you actually _like_ in politics?

Jimmy Carter was one of the most decent people - possibly the most decent person - to ever be a high level politician.

His time in office was before my time, but even if you hated every single decision he made as president you have to acknowledge that he was a good man. I can’t say that this lion

I don’t know if he’d necessarily dig being memorialized on a website for demented perverts, but I think he’d forgive the slings and arrows hurled his way.

…I can’t say that this lion is a perfect creature - I was born in the frickin’ veldt ya know - but I like to think that he’d come up with a solution to help certain people with anger issues on this thread.

Remember that this thread is in the front room - not the politics room. Perhaps it should be for making anodyne comments about the late Jimmy Carter and if all you have is invective about his time in office (checks notes… more than forty frickin’ years ago) you could start a thread in the politics room.

This lion will try to suggest a course of action that will calm down the angry TUSCL nutjobs. Read the stripper loving ape’s thread about music. Pick out a random song. Listen to it and smile. Repeat until you’re no longer angry!

Normally I end with a hearty ROAR!!! but Imma sing a lil’ Oak Ridge Boys to make y’all just a lil’ happier instead. Giddy up, um-poppa-um-poppa, mow, mow! Giddy up, um-poppa-um-poppa, mow, mow!

@Mate27: "I just don’t understand the derision of a guy who led an exemplary life just because he didn’t play for your team. "

Nothing to do with party affiliation. His historical footprints cover his excellent humanitarian work and poor his political work as POTUS. Neither should be ignored. No one that I've heard is "piling on" like has been done at ramming speed the past 9 years to Trump, and hardcore Dems are saying it's time to "go to war." WTH! He had at 2 assassination attempts that we know of that have now done silent.

To ignore the 4 years JC was POTUS & piling on is wrong. He has a whole life, and clearly his humanitarian work was his shining star. The POTUS Club is very small and you have to wear it good, bad or ugly.

Which two aids infected cum stains posted after you did Puddy. The answer is there are very few people in politics I don't hate. To me asking which politicans you like is the same as asking which violent criminals do you like?
Politicians this century I have liked and/or worked for, past to present. Mitt Romney; George Bush; Joe Manchin; Mitch McConnell (keeping Merrick Garland from Scotus is a life saving event for the country); Nikki Haley; Scott Brown; Kelly Ayotte; Joseph Early; Lindsey Graham; Kimberly Klasic; and Daniel Kameron.

^ Fair enough. I think most of those guys you mentioned are RINOs, squishes, and shitheads, but to each their own.
I couldn't tell you what Romney believes on a given day. Doubt he could either.
I have a soft spot for McConnell for keeping that putz Garland off SCOTUS and getting 3 conservatives onto the court. That said, he needs to pack it up.

While this thread is about Jimmy Carter, Biden has been mention.

As dementia sets in, those afflicted can become very stubborn and determined to get their way. Their reality is different than non-dementia inflicted people.

Biden's Echo/Star Chamber has him convinced, plus his absolute egotism he spews, he could have beat Trump. That is really delusional at best. He even took at shot with that ridiculous "grin" when asked about Trump during his statement about Jimmy Carter. A total ass-wipe.

When Biden assumes room temp, let's see all the "kindness" sent his way.

Jimmy Carter was 56 years old when he was booted from the Oval Office. A relatively young man, he was able to find meaning and continue his work in Civil Rights by working with H4H and simultaneously rehab his image. In short, he rebranded himself. (This does not excuse the lasting damage his incompetent leadership did to the nation and world.) He gave the nation a reason to speak well of him in his later years and at his passing. If Biden would truly like to improve his legacy and undo a bit of all the damage he has done, he should use his final years (months?) to lobby for congressional term limits, mandatory retirement ages, and cognitive assessments for senior leadership. He is the poster child and reason enough for all three.

I find the term RINO appalling. The people I named are Republicans, real republicans, as opposed to the fuckwits called MAGA. As I would choose to be shot by a firing squad over being burned alive, I chose MAGA over Democrats based on similar reasoning. I am a Rockerfeller Republican and will never be MAGA.

@skibum - I like my Republicans to pass actual conservative policies, rather than just be content to slow the progressive march a wee bit. I didn't consider myself MAGA until this year; I'm still very reluctantly MAGA, but I'd tattoo "DJT" on my forehead before donating to a Democrat.

@gammanu - I don't think Biden is mentally capable of lobbying for much. See what I said on my political prediction thread, I think his health is going to nose dive in months.

Appears suddenly a whole bunch of people commenting about Jimmy Carter’s presidency became political historians or somehow where of age to weigh in on his contributions as POTUS. More probable they are regurgitating what someone else from their political affiliation criticized Carter about than actually having a critical thought. Sheep will be sheep, especially with so much time on their hands to browse political media. Again, I stick with my myopic description. The Lion wrote it best, as per his notes it was over 43 years ago. Give it a rest so he can RIP! That’s what the OP’s reason for starting the thread, not some childlike bickering when those who belittle the former president either weren’t born or were still in primary school.

^ Anyone with an IQ greater than shoe size should have known this was going to get political. No sympathy.

^ Anyone with an IQ greater than their shoe size should be capable of behaving as an adult. Everything does not need to be political, you MAGA cultists are just annoying as fuck.

^ I believe you were saying on a different thread about someone who can dish it out but can't take it?

^ I didn’t retaliate with name calling, but if the shoe size is right, why would you complain.
Keep in mind your very first comment was political as a matter of fact you led with a political statement then you added the condolences, so now you’re starting a fight and speculating about my intentions.

Leave it to Mates to make the stupidest post in 2024 at the very end. New voters, especially those who came of age almost 50 years ago investigate policy more than just regurgitating what they read on The Daily Beast. Carter was my first vote for President. It was close with him and Ford, until the debate where Ford insisted on more than one occasion that Poland was not under the control of communism.
I turned 18 in 1975 so I know Carter well. A good guy, smart and sadly a holier than thou know it all (like Obama) who didn't hire or listen to qualified people. Inflation in the late 70s was so crushing it makes now seem pleasant. Unemployment was terribly high, 3 to 4 times higher than now. Add in that under International Law our embassy in Tehran was United States soil and the taking and holding of hostages an act of war, he failed miserably in his duties as President. As for the retarded asshole who said its 43 years ago, let it rest. No wonder you're a little bitch loser. Iran's journey to the cause of thousands of unnecessary deaths in the Middle East, this fucking year moron, started with Jimmy Carter's weakness. First impressions are lasting impressions and the theocratic Nazi government of Iran recived their first impression of us from weakling bible thumping Jimmy Carter, who as he only lusted in his heart should be reviled by every PL. Oh yeah, his helicopter raid to rescue the hostages really added to the impression of feebleness. Of course Abbott and Costello (Obama and Biden) followed their role model to a T.

@twentyfive: Out of the keyboard of wee babes! "Anyone with an IQ greater than their shoe size should be capable of behaving as an adult." Just WOW.

And MAGA, cultists? This is the type of rhetoric that is cratering Democrats and the MSM. Have you even followed any of the Dem Machine Progressive Movement?

Like Skibum said we can deal very well with the folks you call RINOs, you fuckwits are voting for a sleazy character who is hell bent on self enrichment.
Where skibum and I disagree is he’s willing to sacrifice his personal preferences for one candidate I’m willing to sacrifice my personal preferences for the other.
Now you guys won the election, it’s time to get started governing.
This hot mess you’ve got here, sure looks like you guys have a massive inferiority complex, time for your side to get to work if you can.

Remember when Jessie Smollett got hate-crimed by 2 white dudes in Chicago while they declared “This is MAGA country”?
Same vibe 25.

^ I thought Jusse Smollet made that up and was punished for it, don’t really understand the point or what you’re trying to say.

People who need a bogeyman cry about MAGA all the time. If you find yourself writing MAGA a lot, you’re Jessie Smollett.

^ ok ✅ I simply disagree but it doesn’t mean that I have any problem with you.
I’m not making up a bogeyman, and I don’t get all bent out of shape because you don’t agree with me.

This lion is get this thread back on track. I think that perhaps the most touching tribute to Carter came from the great granddaughter of the swamp rabbit that attacked him in 1979.

georgette the swamp bunny, great granddaughter of the swamp rabbit that attempted to board the late presidents boat, issued the following statement:

“I’d like to apologize to the Carter family for actions of my great grandpappy, zeke the swamp rabbit. I’m not sure if he was threatening the president, but ol’ zeke was a really angry drunk and my grandma said he had consumed an entire bottle of Puerto Rican Rum before he attacked Mr. Carter. I hope the Carter family and all citizens of these here United States understand that most swamp rabbits admire the late president’s work on habitat for humanity. Moreover, we speculate that he might have advocated building bunny cages into low income housing if he did not believe all lagomorphs were mean drunks, so my grandpappy is also guilty of depriving low income families of bunny friends. I completely disavow my grandpappy’s actions on that dark day.”

It warms this rick’s heart that a swamp rabbit can issue a statement like that. Maybe this thread can be the positive thread and, if you want to bitch, you can start a second thread in the political room. Think about it. ROAR!!!

This lion is *gonna* get this thread back on track.