Clubs closing

No.

The business model will adjust. The hobby won't be the same overall and there will most likely be far fewer clubs than today across the country, but it will still exist somehow, legal or not.

No I just see some contraction. There are plenty of strip clubs are in no danger of closing anytime soon. Some of these places are packed to the gills.

My prediction is that strip clubs are continuing their death by a thousand cuts. But there’s still like another 10-25 years left I think.

My guess is that strip clubs will be around in the future probably in a different format, but that's how America works. Every so often the market enters a new cycle, and the older style versions with unimaginative management, disappears and the majority of businesses either evolve or die, and are replaced by new entrapenaurs that are able to evolve and succeed in the new environment.

Ideally a lot of clubs will remain independent and kind of mom and pop. If the handful of very large chains end up with too much ownership and control fun will be restricted, prices will go up and they’ll eventually die out.

Lousy eating habits, estrogen producing chemicals, and inactivity are lowering testosterone levels in boys and men. Combine that with super easy access to porn and OnlyFans type sites, and men constantly being demonized as evil, sexist pigs, and you have fewer men visiting strip clubs.

Plus, strip clubs are only good for those who have good amounts of disposable income. I suspect if the economy gets better, wages go up, and expenses go down, more people will visit. But I still see a decline happening in the future.

There will always be strip clubs, the only question will be how many. That will ultimately be determined by market forces.

Clubs are extremely profitable. Many close because they price themselves out of business and or break the law.

What im seeing is more underground clubs and private parties.

I think bottle service and cubans are the worst things to happen to clubs.

Also noticing some clubs having dancers wear gear with their branding. Its too corporate like and corny

I don’t know - I think it’ll be over sooner than later. I’ve been around for over 59 years and the hey day of strip clubs are over. I’m an ex vet now animation supervisor and all the youngins I supervise could care less about going to any strip clubs.

@25 I completely agree. I predict another version of social/party sex work will take its place eventually.

Bottle service is an obvious, necessary part of clubs im not sure what the issue is with bottle service. As long as buying drinks is voluntary i dont see the issue with bottle service and how it harms anyone. Yes its likely overpriced, but you can refuse to buy.

Regarding Cubans, they are actually very good for both clubs and customers. They perform well at whatever price the club sets, this helps club owners. They provide extras and dances at reasonable prices, this helps customers.

Obviously the Cubans are competition for other dancers. And the fact is spoiled American dancers wont be able to charge as much for extras when a Cuban is willing to do them cheaper. The Cubans also on average look better than many other ethnicities. From a club owner or customer perspective i dont see how you can hate cubans. Icey you obviously take issue with cubans because nobody bothers booking the nasty crack hoes you pimp out for absurd prices when they can get a younger, cleaner, nicer and hotter Cuban for probably 1/3 of what you charge for your nasty girls.

A lot of the strip clubs closing here in Indianapolis are in declining neighborhoods which have other businesses closing too. The problem is new ones are not opening in the better areas of town. In the past clubs were not opened in wealthy areas but you had them opening in working class areas. Those areas are now turning into inner city ghetto areas. There seems to be more legal impediments to opening a new strip club than in the past.

I don't think they will completely cease to exist, but I do worry about their future. First, Gen-Z has their own dynamics, and as they come into power at the local government level a subset of them may intensify the zoning war against clubs and direct local police to focus their gaze on clubs.

The bigger concern I have is with competition. Normally, bad clubs will get less business, but the competitive process is that new clubs will replace them and some of those will be good clubs. My concern is that the bad clubs will fail, and all that will be left are the existing good clubs. Those clubs will no longer have to compete along the same dimensions, and will become bad clubs as well. I think the perception of the industry being in decline, increasingly expensive real estate, and hostile local governments are breaking the competitive landscape.

I'm of the belief that they'll change but not go away. It might be a gradual evolution where the successful clubs introduce new concepts over time or it could be one of the closed places opens up with a significantly different model and or atmosphere that works and then is copied by the others.

They are in a hard spot, as large portions of the far right and far left spectrum are staunchly in opposition to the very concept. While the silent majority may have no real objection aside from the typical NIMBY stuff, the portion of the populace willing to stick up to defend them I figure is quite small. Of the places that have permanently closed, I'm pretty sure they've all been due to changing regulations of the municipality where they reside forcing them out. There may be a case or two of redevelopment/gentrification that had the same effect too. I'm afraid Pompano Beach could soon fall victim to that.

When generation z comes of age strip clubs disappear. How can you have a club when all possible patrons are home, sitting on their asses and texting their incel friends?

One point that never seems to come up in all these doom threads is that alcohol consumption is dropping. (Often seems like we've got boozer overrepresentation in TUSCL discussions.) So the fixation on having a side of booze with the sex, or a side of sex with the booze is going to be less common. Conventional stage dancing is pretty much an anachronism. Generally only important to dolla throw guys, who settle for their 15 seconds of fame, due to not getting the 15 minutes Andy Warhol promised.

Maybe the most fundamental problem is that strip clubs have always been on shaky ground. Strippers, PLs, and operators generally don't feel a high level of satisfaction with the typical club. I'm not sure if strippers are more likely to have personal problems because of stripping. But there are plenty of strippers with personal problems that make them vulnerable. Which makes it easy to grandstand as crusading against human trafficking by attacking strip clubs.

For me, strip clubs could easily be replaced by better alternatives. If there were a vetting service like Preferred 411 (but not so overpriced) for PLs, that strippers could use to check us out, women would be less afraid to become strippers.

^ I don't think creating new barriers to entry for your customer base is a good way to increase attendance.

@4b you see having a way for strippers to know what other strippers think of a customer, or the customer could be identified to police if they committed a crime, as a barrier to entry? I suppose, but in a similar way to banning someone who started a fight from a bar is. I'm not saying that strippers should have access to PL personal info. Just that they know a trustworthy third party has done some vetting. I'm going by my experience with escorts. The ones who didn't screen clients were generally the ones who you worried would be dead before they were 40. Not sexy to me, just depressing.

So I have no idea what Preferred 411 is or whats involved with it, but based on what you wrote...

It sounds like you are proposing that customers have to go through a background check before entering a strip club, and also that a record of their club visits and behavior is somehow logged for dancers to view?

You don't see any reason why that might negatively impact demand?

@4b it seems to me like you are looking at this in a very simplistic way. To give you a for instance, one of my favs got slipped a mickey once. She only was saved from getting raped because she threw up on the guy. She saw the security cam video of herself being nearly carried into VIP. But the so called bouncers didn't notice at the time. She was too traumatized to strip for a long spell after that. I think the pastime would do better without the "demand" from customers like that.

If a club had a policy of keeping out guys who had a history of doing ambush shit in VIP, it would have a big advantage recruiting dancers.

An alternative to extras clubs could be clubs that just rented small cubicles, that could be reserved in advance. So it would be between the entertainer and the PL, what sort of screening was done.

@ twentyfive, ww, and Lex Luthor.

I agree that the current strip club model will undergo some type of change. I believe the biggest threats are cities simply cracking down on clubs due to needing more real estate for expansion. Strip clubs have always been the easy targets.

The other issue is that inflation is basically creating a smaller pool of PLs every few years.

My expectation is that clubs become more privately owned versus the corporate model. They may convert to "country club" type of system where you need pay membership (all discreet of course) to partake in an recreational area with Billiards and alcohol, that just so happens to have waitresses (ie Strippers) perform for you.

You can message me for more ideas on this topic.

@ ilbbaicnl, Preferred411

I never heard of Preferred411. I have been on escorts sites like ECCIE. I will check it out. Is it a way to screen yourself as a PL

https://preferred411.com/

When I was seeing escorts I used date-check. I liked it better, but it mysteriously disappeared.