Can't we all get along?
njscfan
This is inspired by a couple of different posts on seemingly unrelated topics, but which expressed similar ideas. This is not the first time I've seen this; it has come up on other sex-related boards.
On the one hand, some of the women in the adult service provider business express disdain for their potential customers, e.g., calling them "perverts" or pathetic losers, or whatever. I recall (not on this board, but on TER) one ASP stating emphatically how much she despised her customers and took her only satisfaction in squeezing as much money out of them as quickly as possible. We all saw the recent exchange where a stripper called patrons "perverts" because they wanted extras. Just what was she thinking guys coming to a strip club were there for? A rousing discussion of politics?
On the other hand, some of the guys express nothing but contempt for the women who are ASPs -- either implicitly (by mocking them, emphasizing any possible shortcomings, etc.) or explicitly (the recent post that inspired this on this site was a guy who accused strippers of having "bad morals" -- WTF? the guys who go to SCs have great morals?!?).
I don't get it. As a guy, I enjoy and -- yes -- respect the women who are ASPs. They are providing a service, a service most of the guys on this site presumably very much want. Do some of them do a poor job? Well, sure, and if the free market works properly, they will gradually lose customers because of that. But general feelings of hostility toward them strike me as pretty weird -- especially for guys who like going to strip clubs. The fact that SOME women are lousy providers is no reason to tar the whole group. And if you think stippers have "bad morals" but like going to strip clubs -- buddy, you better see a therapist fast.
But I have the same beef with the women who hate their customers. Of course, I would not expect the strippers to fall in love with their customers. It is a business, and they are doing this to make a living. Nothing wrong with that. But I run a business, I do it to get paid, yet I still like my customers. In fact, if I did not like my customers, I'd quit and find something else to do. Except for the ASPs who are really desperate (e.g., drug addicted), I do not understand why any body would continue in a line of work where she hates the customers she is serving every day. This thing about a stripper calling a guy who comes to a club a "pervert" is, in my view, slicing it pretty fine.
Can't we all agree that the women are simply providing a service for the men that the men are happy to get -- and everyone benefits from the mutual exchange? We don't need to call each other sluts and perverts in the process, do we? It seems to me this is one arena where we can let go of the "battle of the sexes" and we can all take satisfaction in encounters that are honest and free of the bullshit and hypocrisy that normally shroud relationships.
Thoughts?
On the one hand, some of the women in the adult service provider business express disdain for their potential customers, e.g., calling them "perverts" or pathetic losers, or whatever. I recall (not on this board, but on TER) one ASP stating emphatically how much she despised her customers and took her only satisfaction in squeezing as much money out of them as quickly as possible. We all saw the recent exchange where a stripper called patrons "perverts" because they wanted extras. Just what was she thinking guys coming to a strip club were there for? A rousing discussion of politics?
On the other hand, some of the guys express nothing but contempt for the women who are ASPs -- either implicitly (by mocking them, emphasizing any possible shortcomings, etc.) or explicitly (the recent post that inspired this on this site was a guy who accused strippers of having "bad morals" -- WTF? the guys who go to SCs have great morals?!?).
I don't get it. As a guy, I enjoy and -- yes -- respect the women who are ASPs. They are providing a service, a service most of the guys on this site presumably very much want. Do some of them do a poor job? Well, sure, and if the free market works properly, they will gradually lose customers because of that. But general feelings of hostility toward them strike me as pretty weird -- especially for guys who like going to strip clubs. The fact that SOME women are lousy providers is no reason to tar the whole group. And if you think stippers have "bad morals" but like going to strip clubs -- buddy, you better see a therapist fast.
But I have the same beef with the women who hate their customers. Of course, I would not expect the strippers to fall in love with their customers. It is a business, and they are doing this to make a living. Nothing wrong with that. But I run a business, I do it to get paid, yet I still like my customers. In fact, if I did not like my customers, I'd quit and find something else to do. Except for the ASPs who are really desperate (e.g., drug addicted), I do not understand why any body would continue in a line of work where she hates the customers she is serving every day. This thing about a stripper calling a guy who comes to a club a "pervert" is, in my view, slicing it pretty fine.
Can't we all agree that the women are simply providing a service for the men that the men are happy to get -- and everyone benefits from the mutual exchange? We don't need to call each other sluts and perverts in the process, do we? It seems to me this is one arena where we can let go of the "battle of the sexes" and we can all take satisfaction in encounters that are honest and free of the bullshit and hypocrisy that normally shroud relationships.
Thoughts?
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I have personally met 12 TUSCLers at my favorite club. They have all been respectful to the dancers and I have been given feed back by them that they like my friends.
The bigger question is why can't we get along on this discussion board? I guess that is what the ignore button is for.
I visited the "pink site" once (that was enough) and the discussion board was dominated by references to PL's etc. But, the stripper gang there was also being rude to newbie strippers. So I figure, let them stew in their own juices.
As for guys on this board, there are a few that are just a bit too passionate about finding (or explaining, ad infinitum) the "reasons" for strippers behaving the way they do. I never figured the reasons were all that hard to perceive. How does "for the money" sound?
One other observation about this site. I must agree with everyone who has observd that we are an intelligent crew here. Oops, no, that wasn't the observation. The observation was that sometimes we can't read the intended humor in a person's post. I may be guilty of not building in the proper cues, but I refuse to put "tee hee" at the end of my posts like wondergrl. woo hoo! (c)2008, harrydave
There is a distinct lack of respect for dancers by all kinds of strip club patrons, and most dancers are highly aware of this fact. I'm not saying these girls are saints, but they are really just doing a job, period.
It only takes one or two assholes in a room full of nice people to ruin the dancers day - and vica-versa.
Most posters here on this board fall into the "nice people" category....with some obvious ones that do not. They are the ones that the "ignore" feature was created for.
Nice pipe dream "can't we all get along"? Maybe management could do something about it, at the cost of profit, but they won't.
The only solution is to fight the war smart and harder than the other side.
But -- in response to Dick Johnson -- I fail to see why it is obvious that strippers have bad morals. I guess it depends on your definition of "morals." My definition would relate to being honest, kind, treating others with respect, helping people when they're down, etc. The strippers and ASPs I've known have usually had pretty high moral standards according to that definition. Are there exceptions? Yes, but from what I can tell, no more so than in any other occupation.
It seems that you define "good morals" as adhering to a particular definition of sexual behavior. Of course, some of the line drawing that you seem to engage in seems a little precious to me. It's ok to sleep around, but not with strippers? It's ok to get a lap dance, but not a handjob? It's ok to get your dick rubbed through your pants, but not a blow job? It's ok to look at naked girls and put $$ in their garters, but not touch them? All these distinctions strike me as artificial. And, as we are daily reminded, when some self-righteous prig claims to be a white knight, we often find out he is keeping little dark secrets.
Personally, I have never understood why consensual sexual activity between adults can ever count as "immoral." But if that is what you believe, then I do not understand why you go to strip clubs, or spend any time on this site. It occurs to me you should be more concerned about hypocrisy and less concerned about sexual propriety. Until you address that problem, I think you should be reluctant to post judgments about other people's "morals".
But then what do I know Im a degenerate. (JOKE)