Anyone able to find the Alec Baldwin thread?

I think that was a desertscrub thread.

Yeah, that makes sense. I was wondering if maybe it was started by someone I had on ignore but scrub makes sense.

The case against Baldwin was weak and news was reporting that the gun had been modified and potentially could have fired without the trigger being pulled. That fact, and that live bullets were not supposed to be on set, makes this really weird. I’m not ready to join the conspiracy theorists but it’s definitely odd.

I hate that fucking scumbag. Having said that, based solely on the fact pattern, I don't think he should have been charged. He's an actor, not a gunsmith. That's why they hire experts to manage the use of firearms. Whoever brought live rounds onto the set, and whoever supposedly "cleared" the gun and said it was safe, and whoever was "in charge" of weapons safety (the armorer I guess) should all be punished.

However, after I watched that ridiculous interview with George Stephanopoulos, I wanted him to go to jail. Not because I believed anything different than I just stated above, but entirely out of spite and disgust. I found it hard to believe that anyone in that situation could be so self-serving and cold about it.

Apparently now the production of this movie has restarted. with Baldwin remaining in the same role. I mean, shit, how could he bring himself to do that? And not only that, but the husband of the dead woman has signed on as Executive Producer. WTF? There's a reason they call it HollyWEIRD.

I don't understand why with all of the ability to make extremely realistic looking prop guns, and using squib charges to simulate gunfire, it should be necessary to have a real gun or live ammunition on a movie set, especially with clueless douchbags, pointing an loaded handgun with live ammunition at other idiots, who haven't got the common sense to check a handgun to see if it's loaded. My two cents is there must be some payoff involved here, if nothing else this screams culpable negligence by all involved. Mr. Baldwin isn't some twelve year old kid, he should have the sense, to at the very least know if he knows nothing else, that he shouldn't handle any firearm unless he has a sense of awareness about what he's doing, it's obvious from all of the statements of all parties involved they're all clueless and have no business handling such instruments. I say he deserves to be punished along with the rest of these extremely arrogant folks that would presume to handle such a dangerous object, in such an ignorant manner.

Idk anybody else having trouble finding past threads. On google I'll get a photo of stripper error message instead.

@25. That’s the point. They have a lot of fake guns on set. This isn’t a situation where Baldwin even knew it was a real gun with real rounds. It’s someone else’s job to handle that stuff and they screwed up. The charges against the gun wrangler or whatever she’s called haven’t been dropped so maybe they get her. It was clear it was an accident. I’d much rather be baldwin than the family of the dead girl 1000% but he’s got to be tortured over this.

In many cases, Google still links to the old pre-redesign URLs, which have a very different structure. So, it's a broken link now, even though the post is there under a different URL.

^ Directed at Muddy.

@Jimmy
Look I do understand what you're saying about it being an accident, but here's the thing, when my kids were small I taught them if they encounter a gun anyplace not to touch it, not to pick it up, not to handle it, Period. Get out of that area, and find a responsible adult, if I could further that analogy to Alec Baldwin, who as an adult should have known, he clearly was out of his element, the responsible thing for him to do, would have been to put that gun down, not point it in the direction of another person, and get some one who knew what the fuck they were doing to clear, and make that gun safe.

^^ @25 That's a good point. If Baldwin was a stuntman, he ought to know how to drive a car.

“get some one who knew what the fuck they were doing to clear, and make that gun safe.”

That is exactly what he did. He was told by the gun expert “cold gun” and he was following directions to practice his draw. The gun fired (according to him) without him pulling the trigger, and now there’s evidence that someone modified the gun and that modification made the gun able to fire without the trigger being pulled.

“there’s evidence that someone modified the gun and that modification made the gun able to fire without the trigger being pulled.”

Please post your source for this. I haven’t seen anything to substantiate that statement. I did see a report stating that there was evidence the trigger mechanism had been repaired at some point. However, I haven’t seen anything that said that would have allowed the gun to fire without the trigger being pulled. My understanding is that the FBI tested the actual revolver involved in the shooting, and it would not fire without the trigger being told. Single action revolvers are very simple devices, and there is very little to go wrong. Of course, they can fire if you snap the hammer, which Baldwin admit to doing.

Whether or not Baldwin is blameworthy in this situation goes back to what is standard practice in the movie industry. If it is standard practice for the actor to simply take a gun that has been handed to him and accept it is safe if that is what he has been told, then he probably has no fault. However, if it is standard practice to check if you’re self, then he has some fault, but whether that breaks a criminal law is another question. I don’t know what is standard in the movie industry. However, in real life, you are a fucking idiot if somebody hands you, a firearm, tells you it is safe, you don’t bother to check yourself, and point it at another person. There were also some comments from other actors soon after the event, who said they always personally checked any firearms, they were handled themselves. So I don’t know, but it seems like this is something that should easily be determined with a proper investigation.

@Jimmy
I don't necessarily believe the story the way it's being reported, and the point is this is the reason we have trials, who hired this "so called" gun expert, and what experience/credentials did he/she have to declare "cold gun" end even if that is a provable fact, who advised him to point that weapon in the direction of another person, any expert with any credentials would immediately put an end to that (pointing a weapon at another person). It's possible that someone other than Baldwin is responsible for this, but, I don't believe the gun would have been modified to fire without a true expert being able to discern that, so let's pause our defense and allow the facts to surface.

What a load of shit. Yes why was live ammo on set, Murderer Baldwin was in charge. He had a dispute with the woman he murdered. Guns don't shoot themselves.

Currently, it is not standard practice for actors to check their guns. The Screen Actors Guild is vocally against the practice, because doing so increases the actor's legal liability and puts an onus on the actor to develop a proficiency with firearms, though they may almost never do movies with firearms.

There are actors out there who do take shooting and firearms proficiency courses and they do check their weapons, but usually against the wishes of their agent and lawyers.

But it's still not something actors do as a common practice.

@doc, here’s a link to the CNN story but if you search “Baldwin modified” you’ll find multiple links. The prosecutors who charged him in the first place are the ones who are saying the gun was modified, so I’d tend to believe them. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/21/entertain…

@25, if you don’t believe the reported facts I can’t respond. There’s been no dispute about the facts, just whether they supported the charges. You’re arguing the safety rules for gun safety. They don’t apply on a movie set where you may have real guns but you also have props that aren’t actually guns. Because of the potential for confusion, movie sets have gun experts whose sole job is to be in charge of the weapons. In addition, since Brandon Lee was killed on set by a “blank” during filming of The Crow in the late 80’s/early 90’s (?) the industry took all these additional safety steps. They obviously didn’t work here, but when the person in charge of the guns allows a live round on set and tells the actor it’s a “cold gun” they are to blame. It’s s Baldwin also to blame? Maybe, but I think he’s getting all the attention because of who he is. The prosecutor concluded they couldn’t win the case.