Sit down at a table in a GC. A solid 6 comes up (but this story has happened with a 5 I liked, and a 7) to introduce herself. I say “pleasure to meet you, can I buy you a drink?” She sits down and the chat begins, the light touching starts fairly soon. Of course she will begin suggesting VIP, that’s perf3ctky fine, but I don’t like to jump into a VIP quickly, not at all. I like to hang out for a while. So she remains at the table, I’m offering another drink eventually. I’m also sliding regular tips over. I know this is business, tipping her every so often, that’s why she is staying. After about an hour I did the VIP. Question to those in the know: what’s decent tipping for chat and light touching? On average a couple of bucks per song?
"Question to those in the know: what’s decent tipping for chat and light touching? On average a couple of bucks per song?"
I don't tip for that either if she walked up to me. She could be sitting by herself typing on her phone or talking with someone else. I especially don't tip if I've invited her to leave and she kept sitting there lol. Now if I invited her over and then say no thanks I'll sometimes tip up to the price of one song.
If I'm trading one girl out for another who's about to sit down right behind her that's usually when I'll do the cost of a song. A lot of girls "take that personally" so I soften the blow with dolla dolla bills lol. The exception to that is if I told the girl I was waiting for someone and she sat down anyway. Yesterday this happened with a dancer who's a 7 but pretty, and I know she'll leave the club with guys because the first time I met her she was drunk and ate food off my plate before leaving with two dudes.
As she was talking about something I wasn't paying attention to, I was giving her a quick once over to decide how she might look from different angles if I invited her over for a poke. I'd already watched her onstage and decided she was bangable, so now it was more like how would she look without makeup, does she smell, etc. But then the girl I actually wanted walked over and I told her I'd find her later. Lol and just realized I forgot all about that.
If I'm enjoying her company, I'll tip her...sometimes full amount (recognizing that time is money), or 50%....depends on my mood and level of engagement.
Of course, I nearly always regret spending money that could have been used for LDs, but sometimes such interactions are beneficial as a foundation for future good times with the girl.
On the other hand, if a girl simply plops down and wants to chat about random things, and doesn't take my blank disinterested stare and distraction as a hint to go away, she gets nothing.
It may also depend how busy the club is at the time. If there are few guys, then I'll be a bit less generous. Afterall, where else is she going?
On the other hand, if the club is busy, and I want to continue to engage with her, then out of pure selfishness, I will tip her to increase likelihood that she sticks around.
"It may also depend how busy the club is at the time."
If the girl is already sitting there, the only thing the club being busy does for me is maybe I buy dances earlier so I'm not blocking her from making money somewhere else. If she's acting antsy like she doesn't want to be there I let her go if I'm at a home club. On the road I'll just decide on the spot if I want her in my lap.
Dances are just me auditioning the girl for something more interesting, so if she can't even make it that far without a problem I'll cut bait unless I just really, really want to have a shot at her. That's getting pretty rare because I've done almost everything I've wanted in the hobby and now I'm just piling on.
Chat, enjoying her company, is sometimes goal one (yes this will quickly be less sales pitch or move on). I know some are there for extras or FS, period. No money is going to anything but that. The question I posted was mote aimed at who also wants the chat/enjoy her company, what’s the tip amount (she’s there to earn — time is money — not because of my stellar personality).
I see two suggestions of 50% of a LD. Quick math: assuming 25$ per LD (per song), that’s 13$ per song. Also assuming about 20 songs in an hour. 10 songs for half hour chat X 13$ = 130$ (plus a drink or two). Extrapolating that out: 260$ an hour, 1560$ for a 6 hour shift…for chatting with maybe a bit of light touching. Imho that’s way over tipping the situation. 4 maybe 5 bucks per sing average is being plenty generous, IMO.
I tend to sit with a stripper, have drinks and often offer to buy lunch, for quite a while before we do VIP dances. I don't tip during this time. BUT: she has to be happy with the total I spent on her for the total time she spent with me including that hour talking.
That said, the big things here:
1. I'm a known quantity at my regular clubs. The girls know exactly what I do and that I'll take care of them in VIP dances. Sometimes a total new girl will come up, and after a while I'll assure her we're doing VIP dances afterwards, which seems to be good enough given I typically go on slow dayshifts anyway. Which leads to:
2. I go on slow dayshifts. It's not uncommon I'm one of few or even the only customer buying VIPs. I've sometimes been at the club for hours and not seen any stripper do a single VIP, just lapdances, except for my stripper. This tilts the amount of time a stripper is willing to spend way higher.
IME the girls' expectations line up with opportunity cost. Busy Saturday night and none of the girls know you? You're probably tipping, often, and a lot. Slow dayshift and the girls know you? You have to be borderline mentally deficient to think you need to tip some % of what dances cost, given that she would not have sold many or any of them anyway. I talk with a stripper for an hour and then do some VIP dances, she's 4x ahead of every other girl over the same total period of time.
Anyway, point is: whether you tip or not for time, and how much, will likely depend on how busy the club is and whether or not she believes you'll cover her time. There's no formula of "x% of a dance"
This is why noobs get confused. If they can barely tell their head from their cock when it comes to clubbing, giving them all these conditionals is just more for them to forget.
If I'm giving a dancer $20 or $30 to leave, it's the same thing as me getting the one and done dance I didn't really want and she goes away faster. And to the stripper she got paid for a dance she didn't even have to do. Win win.
As stated before my buying her a 10-20 dollar tip is fair enough. If she doesn't want a drink I more than likely will not expect her to keep sitting with me. Only way I am tipping is on stage or table dance.
If she's a 6 because of a hot body and a busted face, in a strip club I'd be game for that. I'm not seeing any girl OTC with an ugly face, so I don't like to encourage them if they're not passable in makeup.
@subraman that’s good advice, appreciated. I didn’t expect one size fits all formula, just interested in opinions. In my experience so far, I’m in the generally modest busy/not extremely busy times. That is to say a Friday or Saturday night 8-11 though a couple times into the 11pm to 2am time— it got very busy. 8-11 I can see a number of idle dancers. After 11 the idle dancers become few IME so far. On the chat, IME I’d buy her a drink and maybe 4$ as an overall average per song if her chat and behavior is pleasing. Whether it hits the VIP level is an open question we will discuss and I’ll eventually decide. But that amount of tipping IMO is appreciating her time is money but also appreciating that this is easy money for her, and where she can at anytime without issue say “thank you for the drink” and move onto better business opportunities.
There’s a bit of, um, confusion among a few of the experienced here on tuscl. What your aim is is yours, it isn’t necessarily everyone’s. I get some are about the Extras, that’s it, anything else is a waste of time. But that isn’t everyone’s goal every time. What I want tonight is what I want. Surprise! people want different things.
"There’s a bit of, um, confusion among a few of the experienced here on tuscl."
No one's confused. Every single post on the thread met you where you're at.
"What your aim is is yours, it isn’t necessarily everyone’s."
Every single post met you where you're at. You said you'd like to chat up a 6. Others shrugged. Don't take it personal. I don't let the ugly ones sit with me at my regular clubs because then I'm constantly needing to tell them to go away. If anyone you're ever seen with is a 7up then that sends a message. On the road I'll chat up a less attractive dancer for information so I'm not boring a dancer I'd like to do grind time with.
"I get some are about the Extras, that’s it, anything else is a waste of time. But that isn’t everyone’s goal every time."
Nobody said that. If you paid attention to what people were saying, the most experienced guys (other than Subra) were saying they don't tip just for conversation. If that's the case there's not much else to say.
Somebody that's been posting a month and maybe lurking a while longer probably doesn't realize that not confusing the noobs is an ongoing conversation on the TUSCL boards. I wasn't even putting you in that category until you got bent out of shape and I looked at your profile.
"What I want tonight is what I want. Surprise! people want different things."
People also want to talk about the things they find most interesting on whatever topic got brought up. We don't tell you how to have a good time, and we don't need you telling us how to discuss a hobby we're all pretty familiar with.
This is kind of a different topic, but I don't offer a drink unless I know I want the dancer to sit for a while. I don't count that as part of a tip, though. To me that's just the cost of doing business. But if the drink she asks for goes over $20 I'll probably figure out what I'd like to do with her before she can order again lol.
@wallanon, it may be certain of the seeming mood of the writing/writer, but that certainty doesn’t make it fact. Thank the SC gods I have had a ‘bent out of shape’ free Saturday. Regardless, I reread my last paragraph and I see that interpretation. But what my actual frame of mind was one of relative newness/uncertainty on ‘if my posting is properly on topic’. That was where I was at. As you put, I’m relatively new to tuscl — so understand that there is a level of uncertainty in writing about finer points of being ITC as well as if I am properly on topic, even down to if my terminology is correct. Regardless, no worries, I do appreciate your input and I will use that feedback in the future.
Brahma2k, just curious: What does GC mean in your opening sentence? "Sit down at a table in a GC." Is this short for Gentlemen's Club, or something else?
I don't tip dancers if I'm just chatting with them. I also don't do idle chat with dancers unless I intend to get dances from them. If, by some chance, I did chat with a dancer for an extended period and dances didn't happen, then I'd tip her something. I will buy a dancer a drink if she's sitting with me.
Perhaps it's a regional thing, but I don't know of anyone tipping dancers by song just to chat. I've also never seen a dancer expect that.
"On the chat, IME I’d buy her a drink and maybe 4$ as an overall average per song if her chat and behavior is pleasing. Whether it hits the VIP level is an open question we will discuss and I’ll eventually decide. But that amount of tipping IMO is appreciating her time is money but also appreciating that this is easy money for her, and where she can at anytime without issue say “thank you for the drink” and move onto better business opportunities. "
Not saying there's a definitely right or wrong, but the "appreciating her time is money" thing is not really applicable. Everything I said appreciates her time is money, too, such as doing enough VIP dances that she's happy with the total take for all our time together including the 2 hours of chatting. Once in a while, we talk for a while and I decide I actually don't want to do a dance with her, and then I tip her all at once for her time.
The way you do it, and the ways I do it, appreciate her time too! I just choose not to do the pay-as-you-go plan
@eastcoaster yes my usage of GC means gentleman’s club. I’m relatively new to the language but I used “GC” under the presumption it may be a place where some chat at a table would be a more likelier aim of a customer. Whether that is true/how much that aim may or may not actually vary between SC to GC is a ??
I have sat and chatted with dancers at the bar with no expectation of getting a dance. After 15 minutes or so I will give her $20 or so if we’re having a pleasant talk because she’s there to pay her bills, and not there to just chat with me because I’m such a scintillating conversationalist. She’s there to earn a living and that has to be respected.
@uniquename Well said, that’s my thinking/action too and generally my tipping pattern for it. I suspect (only suspect) there’s also a bit of a rapport being built that may have benefits down the line.
In summary: Please ADJUST this to YOUR needs - Everybody has different needs at that specific moment. Tipping rules mainly from these discussion + from my experience: #1. During travel / non-home base: Learn about the clubs FIRST, before you go, to increase personalization tuned for you. Discuss first with a few incompatible ones / uglies to get the layout and info - no $ needed for just getting the sales pitch. For those who you feel are good matches - now you can start tipping based on following formulas and adjust accordingly. You are not here for EVERY dancer, or even more than a handful in that specific club on that specific timeline - MAX in VIP for me is 2 individual dancers #2. Adjust to more prices in this order: (A) more men crowd (B) Suitability for "one's own" taste: Race / Thicc / Slim / 6.5' vs 5' / language / ... (C) likeability, openness, vibe & suitability FOR you (D) your increasing likeness of conversation with her. #3. To me, personally, pricing decreases faster for: (A) first person who approaches (B) Aggressive talkers (C) Too much sales pitch and go away - the PROs with no connection. #4. Overall pricing of how much you tip depends on the locale / timing / vibe of club. What you pay in a ghetto club in Atlanta / Detroit vs a high end one in Miami / LA / Vegas / NY is all different. ==> For experimenting: Try it out on the "intermediate or the ugly girls" of your own scale... If the uglies run away for the $ u tip - it is too low. If they stay for too long - you are tipping higher for their range.. ==> Refine this, move on.
Remember: You are in it for the Medium / Long Haul ==> Any NOOBs here will have no interest to contribute or learn and refine the process. ==> So, fine tune according to your specific preferences.
MAKE mistakes ==> If you are either tipping slightly-better or optimal or under-tipping: You WILL DEFINITELY make a heck of a lot of mistakes, AND lost opportunities - it may not necessarily be you.
Although every once in a while I'll chat with a dancer who is a sweetheart and great talker but not my physical type. I'll usually throw her a few extra bucks when she's on stage.
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I don't tip for that either if she walked up to me. She could be sitting by herself typing on her phone or talking with someone else. I especially don't tip if I've invited her to leave and she kept sitting there lol. Now if I invited her over and then say no thanks I'll sometimes tip up to the price of one song.
If I'm trading one girl out for another who's about to sit down right behind her that's usually when I'll do the cost of a song. A lot of girls "take that personally" so I soften the blow with dolla dolla bills lol. The exception to that is if I told the girl I was waiting for someone and she sat down anyway. Yesterday this happened with a dancer who's a 7 but pretty, and I know she'll leave the club with guys because the first time I met her she was drunk and ate food off my plate before leaving with two dudes.
As she was talking about something I wasn't paying attention to, I was giving her a quick once over to decide how she might look from different angles if I invited her over for a poke. I'd already watched her onstage and decided she was bangable, so now it was more like how would she look without makeup, does she smell, etc. But then the girl I actually wanted walked over and I told her I'd find her later. Lol and just realized I forgot all about that.
Of course, I nearly always regret spending money that could have been used for LDs, but sometimes such interactions are beneficial as a foundation for future good times with the girl.
On the other hand, if a girl simply plops down and wants to chat about random things, and doesn't take my blank disinterested stare and distraction as a hint to go away, she gets nothing.
On the other hand, if the club is busy, and I want to continue to engage with her, then out of pure selfishness, I will tip her to increase likelihood that she sticks around.
If the girl is already sitting there, the only thing the club being busy does for me is maybe I buy dances earlier so I'm not blocking her from making money somewhere else. If she's acting antsy like she doesn't want to be there I let her go if I'm at a home club. On the road I'll just decide on the spot if I want her in my lap.
Dances are just me auditioning the girl for something more interesting, so if she can't even make it that far without a problem I'll cut bait unless I just really, really want to have a shot at her. That's getting pretty rare because I've done almost everything I've wanted in the hobby and now I'm just piling on.
I see two suggestions of 50% of a LD. Quick math: assuming 25$ per LD (per song), that’s 13$ per song. Also assuming about 20 songs in an hour. 10 songs for half hour chat X 13$ = 130$ (plus a drink or two). Extrapolating that out: 260$ an hour, 1560$ for a 6 hour shift…for chatting with maybe a bit of light touching. Imho that’s way over tipping the situation. 4 maybe 5 bucks per sing average is being plenty generous, IMO.
That said, the big things here:
1. I'm a known quantity at my regular clubs. The girls know exactly what I do and that I'll take care of them in VIP dances. Sometimes a total new girl will come up, and after a while I'll assure her we're doing VIP dances afterwards, which seems to be good enough given I typically go on slow dayshifts anyway. Which leads to:
2. I go on slow dayshifts. It's not uncommon I'm one of few or even the only customer buying VIPs. I've sometimes been at the club for hours and not seen any stripper do a single VIP, just lapdances, except for my stripper. This tilts the amount of time a stripper is willing to spend way higher.
IME the girls' expectations line up with opportunity cost. Busy Saturday night and none of the girls know you? You're probably tipping, often, and a lot. Slow dayshift and the girls know you? You have to be borderline mentally deficient to think you need to tip some % of what dances cost, given that she would not have sold many or any of them anyway. I talk with a stripper for an hour and then do some VIP dances, she's 4x ahead of every other girl over the same total period of time.
If I'm giving a dancer $20 or $30 to leave, it's the same thing as me getting the one and done dance I didn't really want and she goes away faster. And to the stripper she got paid for a dance she didn't even have to do. Win win.
Especially for a “solid 6”
8-11 I can see a number of idle dancers. After 11 the idle dancers become few IME so far.
On the chat, IME I’d buy her a drink and maybe 4$ as an overall average per song if her chat and behavior is pleasing. Whether it hits the VIP level is an open question we will discuss and I’ll eventually decide. But that amount of tipping IMO is appreciating her time is money but also appreciating that this is easy money for her, and where she can at anytime without issue say “thank you for the drink” and move onto better business opportunities.
There’s a bit of, um, confusion among a few of the experienced here on tuscl. What your aim is is yours, it isn’t necessarily everyone’s. I get some are about the Extras, that’s it, anything else is a waste of time. But that isn’t everyone’s goal every time. What I want tonight is what I want. Surprise! people want different things.
No one's confused. Every single post on the thread met you where you're at.
"What your aim is is yours, it isn’t necessarily everyone’s."
Every single post met you where you're at. You said you'd like to chat up a 6. Others shrugged. Don't take it personal. I don't let the ugly ones sit with me at my regular clubs because then I'm constantly needing to tell them to go away. If anyone you're ever seen with is a 7up then that sends a message. On the road I'll chat up a less attractive dancer for information so I'm not boring a dancer I'd like to do grind time with.
"I get some are about the Extras, that’s it, anything else is a waste of time. But that isn’t everyone’s goal every time."
Nobody said that. If you paid attention to what people were saying, the most experienced guys (other than Subra) were saying they don't tip just for conversation. If that's the case there's not much else to say.
Somebody that's been posting a month and maybe lurking a while longer probably doesn't realize that not confusing the noobs is an ongoing conversation on the TUSCL boards. I wasn't even putting you in that category until you got bent out of shape and I looked at your profile.
"What I want tonight is what I want. Surprise! people want different things."
People also want to talk about the things they find most interesting on whatever topic got brought up. We don't tell you how to have a good time, and we don't need you telling us how to discuss a hobby we're all pretty familiar with.
Regardless, no worries, I do appreciate your input and I will use that feedback in the future.
Perhaps it's a regional thing, but I don't know of anyone tipping dancers by song just to chat. I've also never seen a dancer expect that.
Not saying there's a definitely right or wrong, but the "appreciating her time is money" thing is not really applicable. Everything I said appreciates her time is money, too, such as doing enough VIP dances that she's happy with the total take for all our time together including the 2 hours of chatting. Once in a while, we talk for a while and I decide I actually don't want to do a dance with her, and then I tip her all at once for her time.
The way you do it, and the ways I do it, appreciate her time too! I just choose not to do the pay-as-you-go plan
yes my usage of GC means gentleman’s club. I’m relatively new to the language but I used “GC” under the presumption it may be a place where some chat at a table would be a more likelier aim of a customer. Whether that is true/how much that aim may or may not actually vary between SC to GC is a ??
Well said, that’s my thinking/action too and generally my tipping pattern for it. I suspect (only suspect) there’s also a bit of a rapport being built that may have benefits down the line.
Please ADJUST this to YOUR needs - Everybody has different needs at that specific moment.
Tipping rules mainly from these discussion + from my experience:
#1. During travel / non-home base: Learn about the clubs FIRST, before you go, to increase personalization tuned for you. Discuss first with a few incompatible ones / uglies to get the layout and info - no $ needed for just getting the sales pitch. For those who you feel are good matches - now you can start tipping based on following formulas and adjust accordingly. You are not here for EVERY dancer, or even more than a handful in that specific club on that specific timeline - MAX in VIP for me is 2 individual dancers
#2. Adjust to more prices in this order: (A) more men crowd (B) Suitability for "one's own" taste: Race / Thicc / Slim / 6.5' vs 5' / language / ... (C) likeability, openness, vibe & suitability FOR you (D) your increasing likeness of conversation with her.
#3. To me, personally, pricing decreases faster for: (A) first person who approaches (B) Aggressive talkers (C) Too much sales pitch and go away - the PROs with no connection.
#4. Overall pricing of how much you tip depends on the locale / timing / vibe of club. What you pay in a ghetto club in Atlanta / Detroit vs a high end one in Miami / LA / Vegas / NY is all different. ==> For experimenting: Try it out on the "intermediate or the ugly girls" of your own scale... If the uglies run away for the $ u tip - it is too low. If they stay for too long - you are tipping higher for their range.. ==> Refine this, move on.
Remember: You are in it for the Medium / Long Haul ==> Any NOOBs here will have no interest to contribute or learn and refine the process. ==> So, fine tune according to your specific preferences.
MAKE mistakes ==> If you are either tipping slightly-better or optimal or under-tipping: You WILL DEFINITELY make a heck of a lot of mistakes, AND lost opportunities - it may not necessarily be you.
Good luck
If I like her I buy dances.