Evergreen98 had a question: "Last month, I stopped at Xplicit during the evening. There were around 15 dancers. There were 2 attractive dancers and the other dozen or so were unattractive, mostly overweight. I spent the evening with the 2 attractive dancers. Royce was an all natural blonde who has danced at most clubs in Phoenix during the last 8 years. Coco was an Asian who dances part time at Xplicit and works part time at a Massage Parlor about 10 minutes from this club. I did not spend any time or money on the unattractive dancers.
I did not write a review because I did not know how to rate the dancer quality. I am interested in what dancer rating the senior members on this site would give. Almost all clubs that I have been to during the last 5 years around the country, if there was more than 10 dancers, at least 1 would be attractive."
Just a thought, but in my experience talking to a person prove very educational. I've seen drop dead gorgeous people become unattractive because of the conversation and personality. Even though in the strip club world, we absolutely get judged on our appearance 1st, there is still room to change your opinion after spending some time with a few of the dancers.
wallanon, what dancer rating would you put on a review for this. 4, 5, 6, 7 other? This site seems to average the dancer rating given by those who write reviews.
I'm takes a lot for me to rate dancers across the board lower than a 6. To me a 6 is a plain Jane, not cute but not ugly. If the dancers are truly ugly, like not wanting them near me ugly, then maybe that's a 5 if they're doing their jobs. If they're ugly with shitty attitudes that's a 4. Strip clubs are kinda tough to screw up, so even a bad club can probably get a 5 or 6 with the way I rate. If I'm rating dancers at a 3 or below it's because the club is utter garbage and I'm trying to bury it's score.
What part do you mean? How to put it on a 1-10 scale? For that, I'd agree with rating the average but I'd try to be objective when it comes to taste. There's plenty of times when I'd say a club is full of 8's and 9's but only a small percentage of them suit my tastes. I think it's not too hard for most guys to recognize when a girl is hot, just not their type. Although as I'm typing this and recalling some of the "is she hot" threads, maybe I'm wrong.
I'd venture to say it's not the end of the world if you're off a point or two though. Focus more on describing any tendencies in the review text itself. Using an example from south Florida, specifically Diamond Dolls, it's changed a bit in recent history but for quite some time they regularly had a lineup where 95% if the 30-40+ per shift could be described as having most of the following characteristics: light skinned latinas, nearly all Cuban, disproportionately large fake tits and/or asses, extensions and fake lashes, lots of makeup, 20-24 age range, leaning on the thicker side with a few slim dancers, lightly tattooed. That's a lot more useful to someone considering going there than simply saying they're 7's or 8's. If a guy hates Cubans or loves big fake tits, his rating might be a 0 or 10.
If you're going to "rate" a dancer, try to give a reasonable description of what you think that rating means. For instance, 20 year old Angelina Jolie in Hackers is an 9, and 23ish Jolie in Gia was stroking 10 pretty hard. Heather Locklear in her prime was an absolute 10 for me.
If giant boobs make her a 10 for you, without regard for anything else, say that. If a giant ass is what it takes, say that.
Unattractive was a poor choice of words on my part. Most dancers have a nice face. I should have stated the dancers that I am not attracted to even though they may actually look decent. I do agree with Skittles. I have met dancers that I actually liked after we talked for a while. Especially if they laugh at my jokes.
1-10 is pretty arbitrary and tied to the reviewer. Descriptions (height weight bust hips hair color race trash/posh/glam/hotlezz/boo-radley) are more interesting and just as informative. I.e. not informative.
Point taken about the words being more useful than the number, but the TUSCL wants a number for dancers in reviews and the OP (technically me but not really me) said they declined to post a review about a club because they got jammed up over a dancer rating. I'm actually interested in what scales other people use because it helps to know what number is their "average". Mine being 6 and not 7 might throw people, but I've been pretty consistent with it.
I rate it based on what dancers were available to me based on my tastes. If there are a few dancers I like, but I can never get their attention, I rate it low. If there are a couple dancers I like and they both approach me, I rate it higher. Both of those situations explain the 6 and 7 ratings. To be an 8, there’d have have to plenty of attractive dancers approaching me. A room full of fuglies is a 5 or lower.
I was on a work crew where one of the older guys cared only about tit size. Nothing else mattered to him. We’d be driving down the street and drive by a woman who was ugly and fat, but had big tits, and he’d go crazy. Good times.
I'll generally rate them the way I see them, and usually I do give style points for personality. I will usually rate them higher if it was a good visit, and I notice many of you guys do the same.
I know that in writing reviews, TUSCL requires that we provide an overall numerical rating for the girls, but honestly, I never look at that rating when I read the reviews of others here. I have learned that one man’s “one” is another man’s “ten.” I wrote about that in my last review of Follies, about six months before they closed:
“I saw something on Friday I had never seen before at this club – a woman so large I was surprised that Follies would even hire her. A white woman, blonde, with humongous boobs and an even bigger belly. I’m sure she outweighed me by quite a bit, and I’m not all that fit and trim. She was dancing on stage, and it was hard to miss her. When she came off the stage and walked past me, I thought, Who would want to get dances from *her*? Well, I soon learned not to make a judgment so quickly, as she was immediately snatched up by a guy near me who kept her busy at his high-top table for about 30 minutes. She was fully nude and he was diggin’ it. Towards the end she was facing away and had her hand behind her back, and it was clear to anyone who happened to look that her hand was fully engaged in a purposeful way. As I like to say, there’s something for everyone here.”
Some of the comments that followed were amusing:
shadowcat: I've seen that fat broad do VIP 10 minutes after the club opened. Different strokes. :)
Daddillac: Fat chicks are like mopeds.... fun to ride till your friends see you on her.
GoldmongerATL: The really fat girl has been there for at least 10-12 years and started out about fifty (or more) pounds lighter. On my scale she now rates 3.1416 / 10. Too much pie leads to pi!
Anyway, I agree with what others have said about the helpfulness of including general descriptions of the dancers in a review and not just numerical ratings. As shadowcat said, different strokes...
The numerical ratings generally regress towards a mean somewhere in the 6-7 for all clubs. Founder has given us multiple ways to sort the reviews and none is the be all, end all, but the ratings and verbiage, taken together with the number of reviews has always been helpful. I think Wall was getting at how to rate dancers when there is a wide range of quality and also an imbalance of quantity of solid dancers. No rule here, and it’ll eventually all balance out, but I’d rate that lineup on the low end (5) and maybe add a point for the couple of hotties (6). If you wanted to rank a 4 for the balance of them being bad or a 7 for the two hotties, you might get a slight disagreement, but that’s subjective and ok.
I feel we can always do better on the descriptions. Just look at Sinclairs reviews. IDK the big disconnect with me, is these super rail thin girls that some guys love just do nothing for me at all. When I grade I try to grade on the universal scale, what most would perceive as hot, rather than just girls that fit my tastes.
I stopped rating dancers in reviews. It's too subjective, even if someone knows my tastes. Instead I put it in descriptions if I thought she was hot and why.
If someone likes skinny flat chested white girls (not my type), they can interpret my description followed by "not my type" as "very hot, must see when I visit."
My "dancer rating" will normally reflect the population according to my subjective definitions, with extra weight given towards whomever I got dances or VIP with. I'd rather go to a club with 10 5's and one hot, personable, high mileage 10 than all 6's with none that stand out.
The rating is for "People' too, not just dancers. I take that to mean everyone involved. How much I'd lower a people rating in a club with drop dead gorgeous and accommodating strippers because the door girl had an attitude is maybe another discussion, but a club with asshole security or floor manager types and shitty bartenders and waitresses would get a lower rating in my book.
'I never look at that rating when I read the reviews of others here. I have learned that one man’s “one” is another man’s “ten.”'
A new guy asked a question and I answered it, but topics like this are also red meat for the debate crew so it needed its own thread. The numeric scores (including dancer rating) are the first things I look at when I'm deciding whether to check out clubs in a town. Then I look at the last time the clubs were reviewed. That helps me get an idea of where the reviews should track if/when I read them.
And if a city, let's say Dallas, has lots of clubs clustered in different parts of town, I'll use the map view to see which clubs are near each other and the list view/ratings to decide which reviews to read. If it's a small town I might not even read the reviews at all and just go. In those cases I've found I'm better off just showing up and figuring things out for myself. But for a city with 10+ clubs I'll usually give the reviews a quick read.
This is the part of the process where I think we all can just say what we like. I dunno where lapdancepants got off to these days, but that's the one thing I'll give him props for. He talks about what he's into straight up and it's not some attention seeking gag. Don't be scurred about putting your numbers out there and letting them stand on their own. You still get to be part of the TUSCL club even if you think chicks don't start getting hot until 50. That's a random example, but I have banged one chick over 50 and all her parts still worked...
One thing, no one has commented on is the more dancers working in any given club, the better looking more of the dancers, even looking at day shift clubbing, if there are only a few (6 or less dancers) the less likely it is to find one that scratches an itch, but if there are regularly 10-15 or more dancers there's more likely to be more than one girl, that you will find attractive and as a result the busier club will be the place to visit.
wallanon said "I'm takes a lot for me to rate dancers across the board lower than a 6."
You never went to the Sportsman's Inn in Providence, RI, when it was open. That club recruited dancers from the cantina scene in Star Wars.
Anywho, I don't think there's any way to provide a true representation of how hot the dancers are in any given club. I also think that everyone understands that it's subjective. So, I wouldn't let that stop me from writing a review.
I do think that *most* guys can find a form of broad agreement on what lies within the 5 to maybe 8(ish) range and not be too far off the mark. Once you start talking about 9s and 10s, that's where each guy's very particular tastes and staandards take over and it's harder to find a consensus. For my baseline, I imagine if the dancer starred in a super popular TV show or movie, would the majority of the guys in the audience think she's hot. And I just wing it from there. Here's some other things I do to help guys out:
1. Explain up front what I like. If I'm reading a review from a guy who explains up front that he likes serious BBWs, then I know that the dancers he avoided are possibly the ones I want to seek out.
2. I try to be objective about the dancers that aren't my type. Something like "She's a 6 for me, but if you like super skinny runway-model bodies, then she might be an 8 for you."
3. Comparisons to famous people. So, I might describe a dancer as "Dua Lipa but covered in tattoos." But I've actually found it more relevant for TUSCL guys to compare a dancer to a porn actress (because this is where guys are more familiar with adult actresses than actresses at the Oscars...). In a review, I described one dancer as "Angela White but with bigger tits." and four club regulars messaged me basically to say "Yep. Nailed it."
4. If I talk to or see a dancer that is solidly not attractive to me, then I either leave it out of the review or say "She's not my type." without giving details. We all know that each club has a few dancers who should find other work, but I prefer to let them figure that out on their own and not have to read my unkind opinion of their looks. I regret that I used to handle this differently in the past.
For anything after that, a guy just needs to go to the club and form his own opinions.
"You never went to the Sportsman's Inn in Providence, RI, when it was open. That club recruited dancers from the cantina scene in Star Wars."
But I did go to Cheaters in Providence, RI when it was open lol...that VIP room smelled like something dead got pulled out of a dirty pussy and left to rot. And then I saw the dancers.
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I rate the average, based on my own tastes. If I'm in a club and every dancer except for one is a dog that's what I write.
I'd venture to say it's not the end of the world if you're off a point or two though. Focus more on describing any tendencies in the review text itself. Using an example from south Florida, specifically Diamond Dolls, it's changed a bit in recent history but for quite some time they regularly had a lineup where 95% if the 30-40+ per shift could be described as having most of the following characteristics: light skinned latinas, nearly all Cuban, disproportionately large fake tits and/or asses, extensions and fake lashes, lots of makeup, 20-24 age range, leaning on the thicker side with a few slim dancers, lightly tattooed. That's a lot more useful to someone considering going there than simply saying they're 7's or 8's. If a guy hates Cubans or loves big fake tits, his rating might be a 0 or 10.
If giant boobs make her a 10 for you, without regard for anything else, say that. If a giant ass is what it takes, say that.
1 to 3, I'm not likely to buy her a drink at a non SC place and not likely to tip on stage.
4 to 6 I wouldn't mind chatting with her and would tip once if she had good energy and interaction with gppeople stage side.
7 to 8 I'd take her home to meet mama.
9 to 10 I can't take my eyes off her and would be tempted to take out a new mortgage to spend the night with her.
“I saw something on Friday I had never seen before at this club – a woman so large I was surprised that Follies would even hire her. A white woman, blonde, with humongous boobs and an even bigger belly. I’m sure she outweighed me by quite a bit, and I’m not all that fit and trim. She was dancing on stage, and it was hard to miss her. When she came off the stage and walked past me, I thought, Who would want to get dances from *her*? Well, I soon learned not to make a judgment so quickly, as she was immediately snatched up by a guy near me who kept her busy at his high-top table for about 30 minutes. She was fully nude and he was diggin’ it. Towards the end she was facing away and had her hand behind her back, and it was clear to anyone who happened to look that her hand was fully engaged in a purposeful way. As I like to say, there’s something for everyone here.”
Some of the comments that followed were amusing:
shadowcat: I've seen that fat broad do VIP 10 minutes after the club opened. Different strokes. :)
Daddillac: Fat chicks are like mopeds.... fun to ride till your friends see you on her.
GoldmongerATL: The really fat girl has been there for at least 10-12 years and started out about fifty (or more) pounds lighter. On my scale she now rates 3.1416 / 10. Too much pie leads to pi!
Anyway, I agree with what others have said about the helpfulness of including general descriptions of the dancers in a review and not just numerical ratings. As shadowcat said, different strokes...
If someone likes skinny flat chested white girls (not my type), they can interpret my description followed by "not my type" as "very hot, must see when I visit."
My "dancer rating" will normally reflect the population according to my subjective definitions, with extra weight given towards whomever I got dances or VIP with. I'd rather go to a club with 10 5's and one hot, personable, high mileage 10 than all 6's with none that stand out.
A new guy asked a question and I answered it, but topics like this are also red meat for the debate crew so it needed its own thread. The numeric scores (including dancer rating) are the first things I look at when I'm deciding whether to check out clubs in a town. Then I look at the last time the clubs were reviewed. That helps me get an idea of where the reviews should track if/when I read them.
And if a city, let's say Dallas, has lots of clubs clustered in different parts of town, I'll use the map view to see which clubs are near each other and the list view/ratings to decide which reviews to read. If it's a small town I might not even read the reviews at all and just go. In those cases I've found I'm better off just showing up and figuring things out for myself. But for a city with 10+ clubs I'll usually give the reviews a quick read.
This is the part of the process where I think we all can just say what we like. I dunno where lapdancepants got off to these days, but that's the one thing I'll give him props for. He talks about what he's into straight up and it's not some attention seeking gag. Don't be scurred about putting your numbers out there and letting them stand on their own. You still get to be part of the TUSCL club even if you think chicks don't start getting hot until 50. That's a random example, but I have banged one chick over 50 and all her parts still worked...
You never went to the Sportsman's Inn in Providence, RI, when it was open. That club recruited dancers from the cantina scene in Star Wars.
Anywho, I don't think there's any way to provide a true representation of how hot the dancers are in any given club. I also think that everyone understands that it's subjective. So, I wouldn't let that stop me from writing a review.
I do think that *most* guys can find a form of broad agreement on what lies within the 5 to maybe 8(ish) range and not be too far off the mark. Once you start talking about 9s and 10s, that's where each guy's very particular tastes and staandards take over and it's harder to find a consensus. For my baseline, I imagine if the dancer starred in a super popular TV show or movie, would the majority of the guys in the audience think she's hot. And I just wing it from there. Here's some other things I do to help guys out:
1. Explain up front what I like. If I'm reading a review from a guy who explains up front that he likes serious BBWs, then I know that the dancers he avoided are possibly the ones I want to seek out.
2. I try to be objective about the dancers that aren't my type. Something like "She's a 6 for me, but if you like super skinny runway-model bodies, then she might be an 8 for you."
3. Comparisons to famous people. So, I might describe a dancer as "Dua Lipa but covered in tattoos." But I've actually found it more relevant for TUSCL guys to compare a dancer to a porn actress (because this is where guys are more familiar with adult actresses than actresses at the Oscars...). In a review, I described one dancer as "Angela White but with bigger tits." and four club regulars messaged me basically to say "Yep. Nailed it."
4. If I talk to or see a dancer that is solidly not attractive to me, then I either leave it out of the review or say "She's not my type." without giving details. We all know that each club has a few dancers who should find other work, but I prefer to let them figure that out on their own and not have to read my unkind opinion of their looks. I regret that I used to handle this differently in the past.
For anything after that, a guy just needs to go to the club and form his own opinions.
But I did go to Cheaters in Providence, RI when it was open lol...that VIP room smelled like something dead got pulled out of a dirty pussy and left to rot. And then I saw the dancers.