Can club scan your id without telling you and risks of club having your info?

My thinking is that DL info is readily available. I guess there could be risk of publishing who goes where or blackmailing you not to be publish, but have never heard of this.

What they typically use it for is to see if you’ve previously been thrown out of the club or other clubs they’re associated with. No risk there and may help to keep out some PL’s you probably would prefer are not in the club anyway.

Your mistake was handing it to him, I might show it for various purposes but I’ll never hand my ID to any one without a clear reason for the handover.

@ChampPhilly: "Can club scan your id without telling you"

I think it's fairly obvious that they can, in fact, scan it without telling you, since that's exactly what they did in your case.

I used to be against this but it's not a bug deal. If you're not doing anything illegal in the club who cares

AFAIK scanning a customers ID would be illegal in the UK.

Not sure how secure these data with the clubs. How many of them know about cyber security requirements & standards, so customer data is safe? Even if they knew, will they be ready to spend extra money to keep your data safe. Also possibllity of a fired staff may take all data to fake ID makers?

In the US a private business can make any request of customers. It's outrageous that businesses have that power over cit8zens. But I guess we're used to it

That isnt true anymore. It was true back when businesses were allowed to be racist or sexist.
And businesses should have the right to set their own rules, even if offensive. Just like you can handpick who can enter your house.
Nowadays a business couldn’t be racist. And there’s many other rules to follow.

Is the id scanner actually saving and collecting info? Could it just be scanning to verify the ID isnt fake?

In most cases it shouldn’t be a problem. It can be a problem if you get into some sort of drama with a dancer or other staff, who has access to your id and home address. Or if they think you’re rich and want to rob you.

Businesses have always had the right to limit who they do business with, as long as they don't discriminate against any legally protected persons or class of persons, the can ban you just because.
Nothing outrageous about it, that's why its called privately owned business. It's not owned by a socialist collective, it is owned by individuals. that are allowed in this country to be capitalists.

When visiting a club for the first time, if possible I try to go in behind other guys so I can observe the entry process. If there is any chance of the club getting a record of my ID (scan or camera), I will take appropriate measures (e.g., hold ID in my hand) or I will walk, as I do not allow this.

Should they tell you that they're going to scan your ID?... yes.

Are they required to tell you that they're going to scan your ID?... maybe. I suspect that depends on local laws.

Can they get away with scanning your ID without warning?... essentially yes.

They're counting on the vast majority of people doing what door security tells them to do. They're also counting on most people thinking it's just a mandatory drinking age check (even for folks who are obviously over 21). And, finally, once it's scanned, they're counting on the vast majority of people not making a stink about it, even if they are pissed. And, even if you make a stink about it, they're counting on most of those people not wanting to go to the Better Business Bureau with a complaint about their time in a titty bar. And all of those things they're counting on are a pretty safe bet. As much as I hear guys complain about it, I've not heard about a club seeing a significant drop in customers because they started scanning IDs.

My primary problem with this is that owners and managers at strip clubs aren't widely known for their ethics, and their grasp on information security probably spotty at best. So, I'm adverse to going to clubs where they scan IDs. In my area, there are good clubs where they don't do that, so I have my options.

That said, years ago I was much more of a regular at the Cadillac Lounge. I made the same mistake as you. The door security asked for my ID, I handed it to him, and a scanner appeared in his other hand and he scanned my ID and handed it back to me. I looked at him and said, "Well, I guess this is my last time coming here."

And you know what? That guy didn't give a shit.

Couple of weeks ago I went to the Goldrush in Atlanta. I was asked for my I.D. and I showed it. He looked at it and said "I guess you are old enough." I'm 80. So what was that all about? DO L.E. have a different drivers license I.D.?

"If you're not doing anything wrong, who cares". You truly don't understand the Constitution you reprehensible piece of ICEE shit. Fucking moron.

Whats the best place to file a complaint? I have heard BBB, also CFPB, and FTC. Some say the BBB doesnt do anything about complaints

Skibitch. You don't know the constitution.it doesn't Violate the 4th nor 5th amendments.

Scanning your ID doesn't provide access to any private info.

You can refuse to donut. But the business can refuse to serve you. I thought you were for private sector rights lulz

A manager at mcdonalds cant really set their own rules, they have to follow what owners or shareholders decide.

But a small business owned by one or a few people should have freedom to set their own rules even discriminating against people.

Even if it was allowed most businesses wouldn’t do it because of the blowback

Icee it has the address and the numbers on the ID. And date of birth. It has plenty of personal info.

Icee said "You can refuse to donut."

I have never refused to donut. Donuts are great.

Cim go troll elsewhere dumb bitch

You are even fucking dumber than I thought Icee moron. Maybe molesting little boys has addled your tiny brain. Presumption of innocence means we don't have to prove we're not doing anything wrong, unlike in progressives lands like Russia, China and North Korea. Clubs have the right to ask for my license. I then exercise my right to tell them I am going elsewhere, which is why I don't have to scan my license at every club that requires it. There is no legitimate reason to ask for it so while they can ask, the answer is always no. Just like Thursday night football on Amazon. I don't buy anything Amazon so I find other things to do on Thursday night, now that there's no football.

I'll tolerate it every so often. I agree 100% with everyone who said that I wouldn't trust most of these club managers to get a ham sandwich right, never mind data security protocols. But tbh there really isn't much that a bad actor can do with my DL info alone.

But I won't frequent a club that scans licenses. It's nobody's business but my own how often I visit a club.

Skibitch like I said. Thanks for agreeing with me. You.can refuse to show your ID but they can refuse you service.

Scanning your ID doesn't show anything private. Nothing not on the ID itself. So it doesn't Violate privacy and is thus constitutional. That's the legal argument. But you're either a bad attorney or just play one here

I avoid certain clubs that require it and have no problem with it in others

Way back when it was revealed that the NSA was siphoning off huge amounts personal information as part of their mass surveillance program, one of the lazier defenses of these over-reaches was "Why do you care unless you're doing something wrong?"

Even if you're not doing anything wrong, then you get to care about the security of your personal information. And, unless you're a fan of either authoritarianism or unfettered data harvesting by commercial ventures, then there should be limits on the how, why, and when your data gets scanned or downloaded.

I fully support a club's desire to scan IDs; they absolutely have that right. But, regardless of whether or not the law requires it, they should warn customers before they scan an ID so that the customer has control over their data. As I said previously, though, there's little risk if they don't.

They're checking to make sure it's a valid ID. Don't like it? Go to a different club. They're not going to risk their liquor license because someone doesn't like how they check IDs.

I used to run cost check at a club in Detroit, nothing was actually scanned and kept. We held it under a special blacklight. I have seen some IDs get scanned through a card reader, but again, they're making sure it's valid.

True that many employees, managers and owners of clubs may have ethics issues or be low lifes.

Sadly, the same could be said of some DMV employees. And every DMV employee, law enforcement employee, IRS person and many others around the country have the same data except for how often you visit which strip clubs.

Would be interested in hearing what bad things have actually happened as a result of scanning ID at a club. Not what could happen but what DID happen.

^ I'm 68 years old, with a white beard even if I look young for my age no way they can think I'm under age, scanning my license is a violation of my privacy and that excuse is just that an excuse.

^My reply was to Bubble Yum.

Icee the logic you used is laughably similar to what some internet doxxers have tried to argue and failed horribly.

The logic used by some of these doxxers has been that IP addresses and street addresses are all public record, so they didnt reveal anything personal by leaking someones address or ip address online.

The problem for you guys is that as a standalone piece of info, a street address or ip address means nothing just a series of numbers or letters. When you attach someones name onto or other identifiable info onto it, or even their internet name, its no longer public record its private and doxxing.

So yes a license is considered personal, most businesses and people don’t ask for it. And most people on the street dont know your address or DOB.
An address is public in that you can go home shopping online and review addresses, once you attach someone’s name onto it it’s not public.

You’re making excuses similar to what internet doxxers have made.

ID scanners collect information including a person’s name, date of birth, and address. In addition, it can capture the type of license or ID being scanned (which in some instances will reveal your job type) and the expiration date of that scanned ID.

That data can make its way to data brokers (some legal and some very not) and be used to start a record or, more likely, to corroborate and build out a record in existence. In the case of legal data brokers, that information can be sold on to various marketers or large commercial interests. With illegal data brokers, that information can be used to round out a record used for identity theft, fraud, or ransomware attacks. In both legal and illegal cases, the data can get there either by outright sale or sometimes hacking. It depends on the integrity of the business doing the scanning and the quality of the software used to gather and store the data.

What are the chances of any of that happening? Honestly, that's hard to know. But, again, I'm less inclined to trust the good decision making or ethics of strip club management. So, given the opportunity to *not* have my ID scanned at a strip club, I'll take it. Especially when I can drive a few minutes to another good club that doesn't do that.

Strip clubs might have very valid and non shifty reasons to scan IDs. I don't dispute that. My beef is with clubs scanning IDs without giving the customer a chance to opt out of it.

I'd scanners only collect info on your I'd. Which is legally not private

I don't like it either but it isn't illegal.if it were UT wouldn't be done.


And what do you think about club manager will do with it? Follow you home? Which is the most they can do lulz

@twentyfive: " I'm 68 years old, with a white beard even if I look young for my age no way they can think I'm under age, scanning my license is a violation of my privacy and that excuse is just that an excuse."

In some places, like Kentucky, the only defense for selling alcohol to an underage person is if the club can show that they person presented a fraudulent ID, so even though Kentucky doesn't have a law that requires a club (or even a liquor store) to check ID before serving alcohol, many clubs adopt a 100% inspection policy.

Yes, you can argue "I'm obviously over 21" but it's easier, and more foolproof, to train employees to just check everyone, every time.

I'm in my late 20s. But i look younger I guess because I get carded in bars and restaurants. I don't like it but I don't complain coz I understand why they do it. Snd I'm not a paranoid fuck so I know they can't do whit with my I'd.

Icee, you believe strippers have the right to rob and beat clients, so of course you dont think theres any risk involved in the id being given.


And IDs being asked for doesn’t mean the info on tje ID isnt private, lol. Do you think social security numbers aren’t private because credit card companies ask for them? The reason IDs can be scanned and looked at is because they’re asked for they dont just grab them by force

Someone having your address makes it easier for them to mess with you if they wanted. Its just basic stuff, most people keep their address private

Icee said, "I'd [sic] scanners only collect info on your I'd [more sic]."

I know. That's exactly what I said.

"Which is legally not private"

That's not true. The Drivers Privacy Protection Act (DPPA) is a 1994 law that protects the personal information assembled by your state’s Department of Motor Vehicles and governs the proper versus improper collection, processing, aggregation, correlation, and redisclosure of a user's data as contained on driver's licenses.

So, that information is, by law, private. If you can cite legislation or case law stating that it isn't, then do so.

In addition, there are numerous states that have passed (or want to pass) laws further governing the collection and storage of personally identifiable information (PII) by businesses (as well as non-profits and political organizations).

"I don't like it either but it isn't illegal.if it were UT wouldn't be done."

I've said a few times that it's not illegal and that the clubs have a right to do it. But, the there are laws governing the proper collection and storage of that data, as well as (in some cases) giving the user the right to not allow collection of that data at all. Which, again, is mostly what I'm on about: asking the customer before scanning the ID.

"And what do you think about club manager will do with it? Follow you home? Which is the most they can do lulz"

No, but I already explained that and you already know it. Depending on the software security, data storage practices, and who has access, the data can be hacked or sold off (legally or illegally) to data brokers. And I honestly don't know how often that can, does, or will happen, but I do think that consumers should be given the opportunity to opt out of PII data collection before it happens.

Listen, we all know you're here to pick a fight for your own odd jollies. It's all part of your fabricated online persona. So, go ahead with your next volley of insults and making broad statements to cause turmoil.

You made new terminology now, everyone was a “suck fuck” now they’re paranoid fucks

Obviously they can. They did. You're an adult, if you don't want it scanned take responsibility and don't hand it over without asking. When someone asks to see my ID, I show it to them but don't hand it over. If they ask to hold it I always ask them if they're going to scan it, because I'm an adult who is aware of the practice and I take accountability to ensure it doesn't happen to me without my consent. If they say they're going to, I'll usually decline. If it gets scanned without your authorization, it's on you.

Setting aside the distinction between the question of can they and are they allowed to and assuming you meant are they allowed to, the answer I think is that it's mostly up to local laws. The ones for Florida are covered in 322.143 I'm not a lawyer, but the my take on the gist of it is are allowed swipe it to determine if its fake, prevent fraud, or other crimes. But they aren't allowed use that data for any other purpose without telling you what those purposes are first. You are allowed to decline automated gathering and they can instead manually gather the info. They're not allowed to decline service just because you declined the automated gathering, but its unclear if they're allowed to decline service if you also decline manual gathering. I think you'd have a hard time getting any remedy if you were refused service on that basis, at least from a small company. The Deja Vu's and RCI's of the world might be a different story, but even then its probably not much risk to them or much value to anyone who actually won a case as the actual damages are minimal and any sane person would laugh at the idea of punitive damages.

On the other hand, most of the software sold uses the information for much more than those purposes. Do a quick google and look at the sales literature. Just look at the super basic home screen from one of the more popular prodcuts: https://patronscan.com/static/e2a5afed38… You can see it's using your gender for statistics, your address to determine how far away you are from home, keeping history to determine if its your first time there or not, etc. Those same Florida statutes clearly state that's not permissible without informing the customer and outlines up to a $5000 civil penalty per instance.

It's my belief that most clubs are not scanning ID's to limit liability, prevent underage admittance, avoid crime, etc. I have no personal experience with Strip Club management or ownership, but I do know several bar owners who use those products. They all use them for the supplemental data. They're part of a bar management package, it gives them data on how many people, when and how often customers come, how much they spend, how long they stay, etc. It also tracks inventory, sales, etc. They're mostly using it for the sales/inventory stuff, but the customer insights don't cost much more in the bundle so they add it.



All that said, Like Rick, I generally avoid clubs that scan ID's. Not always, if I'm with a group and the only one who'll have a problem with it I'll let it slide. When I see it coming, I'll try to steer the group to an alternate venue. but that doesn't always work. I've paid covers and uber costs, and bought bottles to convince the group to go to a different club. Sometimes though, I want to go to a particular club even though I know they scan ID's. But greater than 99% of the time, I'll drive further, pay more, and go to an otherwise shittier club to avoid having my ID scanned.

Dolfan, how do they track what a particular customer spent and did? They actually go through the effort of scanning IDs then also using the camera system to track how many drinks and dances that customer bought? That seems intrusive, scanning the ID is one thing, but then watching a customer for their entire visit at the club, tracking what they spent money on and how much they spent is weird. And it would require extensive camera viewing by a live human since a robot couldn’t capture that kind of info. Usually you scan the ID then go inside, and they don’t check your ID again when buying drinks or dances.

@GMD
I get that point, that's why my original post on this thread was, I'll show my I.D. but not allow anyone to take possession of it, they can look at it, ascertain my DOB, verify it's me, via the photo, but scanning or making a record of it, will get a quick no from me.

The info on the ID could make it easier for someone to rob you or mess with you if they wanted. And you have to go out of your way to not start an issue with bouncers or management who will usually have access to the IDs.

Dolfan why did you go through all that effort paying for stuff to avoid clubs that scan IDs? What are your personal issues with the id scanning practice?

I don’t like them scanning my ID but my dick usually overrules me and we give it up to go in the club.

As for checking an 80 year old's ID, in some jurisdictions a club serving alcohol is required by law to check all ID's. If they waive through an 80 year old and are observed doing it, their license can be in jeopardy. Many of these same jurisdictions are also looking for any excuse to pull a strip clubs liquor license.

"everyone was a “suck fuck” now they’re paranoid fucks"

😂😂😂 I'm so sorry, but I *really* needed a laugh after Sunday night and that did it. Thank you and I take back everything mean I ever said. 😂😂😂

"I'm 68 years old, with a white beard even if I look young for my age no way they can think I'm under age"

No. You're twentyfive. *Badum tiss*

What Do Driver's License Scanners Do With Our Information? - https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/minnesota/ne…

ID Scanner Laws – Affirmative Defense and Privacy - https://www.idscanner.com/id-scanner-law…

I Googled "are ID scanners legal" and those two sites, as well as a plethora of others, were in the search results.

I've had my driver's license scanned hundreds of times. especially up in Vegas. every time I buy some booze in Arizona, it gets scanned again.

Seems like the regulations are at a state level, so probably some variation state to state. I know that, in IL, night clubs to which many police calls are made (not necessarily for underage drinking) can be ordered to scan. Maybe just for an instant check against a data base of parolees and people with outstanding warrants?

Primarily Collection of Personally Identifiable Information without consent is QUESTIONABLE. Then, how long they store that data? Do they sell the info Market Research companies? Why you want to catch the outstanding warrant guy in a strip club? Why not in a fast food place or a regular bar? I never heard any such thing from clubs. The best solution is clubs having one time membership and legally they take copy of the ID and responsible to keep the data safe.

I prefer to avoid clubs that scan id's if there is another club around that doesn't do, but I have let them scan it when there are no good alternatives around. There are places that require an id scan for any alcohol sales so I don't really see a club doing it as any worse. If I'm willing to let them do it when I buy a bottle of bourbon I guess I'll let them do it to get to have a beautiful naked woman on my lap.

A club may do it to protect themselves from legal issues of allowing underage people in the club, to keep out people that have caused a problem or simply because they want to get data on who their customers are for marketing purposes to help grow their business. That is their choice as a business just like it is our choice to do business there or not. If they are the only club in the area doing it I would assume they would lose a ton of customers over it and either stop or go out of business as a result.

I've never heard of a case where anything bad happened with the info so for now I consider it pretty low risk and trust my identity protection plan that comes as part of my employer's benefit program to do it's job if there is a breech at a club.

I'm 55 and I look, ummm, I think about 55. I would never get surprised like OP, because if some dipshit working the door at a strip club asked for ID I would turn around and leave. They can kiss my ass.

@whodey - My concern has nothing to do with identity theft. I just don't want to be timestamped at that location. You know those 2AM-ers that Shadowcat posts sometimes? If something like that happened the last thing I want is some cop or lawyer calling me to ask about it.

CIM the information stored by the dmv is private. But a club or store scanning your ID doesn't access that info. They only get your name address birth date..publicly available info. Qnd of course there are laws about what or can't be done with the info.

And stop trolling me.


What bothers me is that simply looking at your Id was good enough for howany years. I get it's an easy way to help with crime. But notice how club shooters etc aren't that easily caught.

Icee said "CIM the information stored by the dmv is private."

And that information includes your name, address, birth date, license type, and license expiration date. And that 1994 federal law governs the gathering and use of that information from your ID, meaning driver's license.

"But a club or store scanning your ID doesn't access that info."

Yes, it does.

"They only get your name address birth date."

Which is legally classified as private information both at a federal and sometimes more so at the state level.

"publicly available info."

You cannot go into town hall and ask "Where does Ishmael live?" They won't tell you unless you have legal justification to access that information. For a lot of people, it is available publicly, partly because they do stupid things with their private information, and also because data brokers do legally questionable things with the data that they have purchased. But that is exactly the type of thing those laws seek to address... the fact that it is private information and we should have control over where it goes.

"Qnd of course there are laws about what or can't be done with the info."

You are correct...because it's legally private information.

Go ahead. It's your turn to say contrary things because it's fun for you.

There is NO legitimate reason to scan a customer's id. When I buy beer at walmart the clerk signs on my machine which asks if the customer is over 40. Sometimes I'm asked if I'm over 40. I'm never asked for ID. Walmart is a big company, they operate in all 50 states and they have lawyers working for them.

If I'm ever asked for my id I'll ask why? Someone said it's to see if you've ever been thrown out before. When someone gets thrown out of a bar does the bar enter their driver's license in a database? I don't think so.

So why would a quasi-legal operation such as a strip club require ID scan? What are the possible reasons? Perhaps to help protect the dancers. Dancers do get raped and sexually battered in the vip rooms, a bad character may be less likely to misbehave if he knows his id was scanned. Another reason could be that the local police asked the bar to scan IDs, probably "off the record". Pimps and drug dealers frequent strip clubs. Cops could find a record of all the people who went to a strip club useful. Now before you start telling me how little my dick is and how cold it is in my mom's basement, I'm not saying any of this happens, I'm merely speculating.

What bad thing could happen? They sell your information. You start getting mail from them. You're contacted by the police as a witness. A crime is committed by a bar patron, the patron looks at photos of all the bar patrons and picks yours. Now they have a witness and you have no alibi. A dancer claims you owe her money and threatens to sue. You're added to a nationwide database of strip club patrons, which is sold to anyone who'll pay.

Yes, I'm paranoid. It's better to be too paranoid than not paranoid enough.

Cim your address is available on voter registration rolls which are public. Also any service like spokeo has your info readily available. It used to be listed in phone books

The dmv also stores your registration driving record etc. That's the private info in question. Not anything seen on the I'd itself.

What you consider private and what is legally private are not the same.

Go ahead and say contrary things and tell me what I really mean coz that's your obnoxious trolling technique

They scan ID's to obtain information to sell. That is the only reason.

Icee said "Cim your address is available on voter registration rolls which are public."

No, voter registration rolls are not public. And they're certainly not universally public. Different states have different legal limits on who can view or use voter registration lists. Essentially all strip out things like DOB, which is always recorded by ID scanners using a drivers license.

That's because all of that information is legally private. Or, at least that's the stance of the National Conference of State Legislatures who is the actual authority on such things (not you).

"Also any service like spokeo has your info readily available. It used to be listed in phone books"

The fact that people do stupid things with their PII and that data brokers do questionable things with PII doesn't make it legally public. Also, you can force Spokeo to remove your PII by request. That's because it's legally private and they can't contest a removal request. Phone books... you could opt to be unlisted or not have your address listed... same reasoning.

"The dmv also stores your registration driving record etc. That's the private info in question. Not anything seen on the I'd itself."

Also no. That 1994 law was passed to safeguard all of the PII collected by DMVs.

"What you consider private and what is legally private are not the same."

That's weird. I was about to say the same thing to you. It looks like all that free legal advice you offer is worth what you're charging for it.

And, I still believe that clubs should ask before they scan IDs. Because we have a legal right to control the collection of our private information.

Cim you're only arguing for the sake of arguing . To be a troll and an obnoxious bitch. and are just showing how stupid you are.

Voter rolls are public. A random example.

https://voterrecords.com/

https://voterrecords.com/voters/Ishmael/…

Also. You keep mentioning the 1994 dppa


Per the DPPA, “Personal information does not include information on car accidents, driving violations or driver’s status”. The DPPA also defines “highly restricted personal information” to include “an individual’s photograph or image, social security number, medical or disability information”.

Now fuck off.

By the way. Clubs here ask to scan your ID

The DPPA doesn't ban using personal info. Just restricts its disclosure and usage.

I hear there's laws against murder and robbery and such......

"Now before you start telling me how little my dick"

No need to. We've all seen the photo by now and everyone is well aware of your tictac dick and feels second hand embarrassment for you. Tictac dicks provide zero pleasure and most women and men have to ask you if it's in, hence your need for a strap-on.

Bubble-troll, hey dude, your impersonation of a female, and a dancer, is starting to fail. I suspect you're actually a parking valet dude, or maybe a bathroom troll. If you really are a dancer you're a strange one. I've never read any kind of report from someone who claims to have seen you at a club (or anywhere). You're a "dancer" who doesn't want people to know where or when you work, or to come tip you, and you have a lot of time on your hands to do your trolling. And you talk like a man. But hey dude, as sooner as you stop your childish and lame personal attacks on me, the sooner I'll stop outing you and just let you go on pretending to be a female and dancer.

I can't think of any other private-business where one's ID is scanned – kinda seems/feels like an overreach w.r.t. one’s privacy; not to mention the possibility of one’s personal-data being hacked.

I “assume” that it can be used for “keeping out trouble-makers” – but I wonder if that is being used as an excuse – big-data is a big-thing now-a-days and perhaps many of these clubs are using this to gain data on customer demographics attending their club etc, and using “it’s a security measure” as an excuse for wanting to gather data.

I recall not-too-long-ago many clubs used to deny-entry to unaccompanied-women (not sure how many still do this) – the “rationale” was that they were working-girls there to look for “business prospects” – as some TUSCL-vets may recall, a few years ago a club in SoCal (in COI I think) got sued for denying entry to an accompanied-female – this female was a lesbian that liked hitting strip-clubs and she let the club know that but still got denied-entry – anyway she sued the club (I don’t recall what the result of the law-suit was but I think/assume the club lost) – anyway this makes me wonder if a custy sues w.r.t. being denied entry into a club if he doesn’t allow the club to *scan* his ID if the club would lose that suit (given that no other private business AFAIK has such a requirement)?

Bubble-troll? Oh come on, PL. I thought it had been agreed on by everyone I was bubble_yeast, a name kindly granted by my former bestie Daily_Grindr (rip).

Thank you for all of the compliments. It takes a true pussy bitch like yourself to recognize when an alpha is speaking down at you. Have fun at your dishwashing job at Bogarts in a few hours and can't wait for your mommy to come over after she drops your disappointing existence off.

Now I'll go log into my old account I finally regained access to and message everyone I've met from here that I'm apparently a male and they all hallucinated me as a female. 🥰

It's sort of a given that any dancer who doesn't behave exactly how customers want or expect them to will eventually be labeled as "fakes". If you want that and only that from dancers, then you should only interact with them in the club where they put on that customer-facing act.

Here?... not so much.

I had an insane idea about working at Bogarts for a night or going to Akron to club hop to fuck with PL in person without him even knowing. My pride and ego are too high to stoop so low to walk onto Bogarts property though. ☹️

Huh, what other businesses check or scan ID? Maybe businesses where there’s a lot of cash, alcohol or gambling? Seems to me strip clubs fit neatly into them. Don’t like the scanning, vote with your wallet and go elsewhere.

Here they scan it if you buy cold medicine.

It's a non issue.

Icee you keep saying cim which is a porn and escort forum acronym for certain extras, but his name is cmi.

And the determination for whether something is or isn’t private has nothing to do with whether businesses ask for the info. Businesses can ask for social security numbers it doesnt mean theyre not private. There’s nothing illegal about asking someone for private info so “if it wuz private it would b illegal for dem 2 ask fo it” is hilarious

Bogies doesn't hire valet parkers but bubbletroll might get a job as doorman. More money valet parking dudes. I wonder if bubs every kept a guy's keys hostage? He could probably shed light on the issue.

Of course they scan it for cold medicine because that’s been abused so theu want to track who’s buying it to make sure its not used recreationally or being resold. Who cares about target pharmacy scanning ids 🐵 🤡

Pussylicker you are owning these plebs!


Papi, its one thing if a club refuses entry after a customer declines to scan. Im not sure a club would lose that lawsuit.
But im curious about clubs where they actually just ask to see your ID and then without any warning or asking for permission they just plop it into a big machine that looks like a printer.

Sure you can stop refusing to go to the club in the future, but was it legal for them to just without warning plop the id into a machine..?

Also is it legal for clubs to without consent or without notification, store the information from IDs? Consent makes everything possible but what about clubs who are scanning IDs but not making any mention to clients that their ID info is actually being saved in a system? Even if they are verifying whether the id is real even if they are using their system to keep out bad actors or banned people, is it legal for them to store info from the licenses without first informing and getting permission?

Icee posted voter records earlier as an “argument” that drivers license info isn’t private, but the consent seems to be a very important factor. Only registered voters information is available publicly, and people can choose whether they want to be a registered voter. Voting doesn’t automatically make you a registered voter. Im not sure if its legal for a club to ask to see your ID then scan it. And not sure if they can store the info without informing people.