Congratulations to the people of Donbas and Novorossiya on their vote to rejoin

Congratulations both to Russia and to the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhia regions on the successful conducting of their referendums on rejoining Russia.

All four referendums passed and despite fake news in the western media there was strong turnout with no serious evidence of "coercion." In fact it was Ukraine threatening voters who participated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_ann…

The DPR and LPR will likely rejoin Russia as federal subjects by the end of this year, either as Republics or oblasts. They are already partially integrated with Russia and are ready. Kherson and Zaporozhia will likely become independent states briefly as they prepare for full integration into the Russian Federation in the near future.

Congratulations to all involved on this historic vote especially the courageous voters of these regions who had been threatened with 10 years in prison in Ukraine just for participating.

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  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    Russia is getting bigger while Ukraine getting smaller.

    Explain again how "Russia is losing"? Gaining four new regions doesn't seem to be "losing" to me.

    The US and the so-called "west" have been humiliated after provoking and backing this conflict. Thry just refuse to own the "l" and admit it. Thats why they are reporting to desperate terrorist acts.
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    2 years ago
    It's tough to decide who has the least reliable connection to reality, you or SJG.
  • jackslash
    2 years ago
    Isn't Dave the retard who said that anyone who got the Covid vaccine would be dead within a year?
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    2 years ago
    ^ Yes.
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    Dave Anderson is a cock sucking fucking traitor. Go live in Russia you piece of shit commie fuck. You still jack off to the pic of fat, gay Putin without a shirt on a horse? Why do Russians have the lowest life span of any economically developed society? Being a Russian is so awful, being dead is better. Fucking traitor cunt. DAVE ANDERSON - TRAITOR.
  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    Tell me your penis hasn't been in a woman's mouth in three years without saying it, Dave
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    Russian authorities are beginning to restrict the movement of Russian citizens into Russian border regions to cope with hundreds of thousands of Russian men attempting to flee the country. The Associated Press reported that over 197,000 Russians have already fled through land borders to Georgia, Finland, Kazakhstan, and Mongolia between September 21 and 28, causing miles-long traffic jams at border crossings.

    That doesn’t sound like the actions of a winning side.
  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    Congratulations Dave I hear you’ve volunteered to fight in the Res Army
  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    @25, didn't know the Red Army had a Strip Club Message Board Troll Brigade.

    I figure Dave is more likely to join the Russian Navy and swab the poop deck.
  • TheeOSU
    2 years ago
    daveyboi you're as big a fuckhead as there is on this board and considering the roster that's quite an accomplishment.
  • shailynn
    2 years ago
    This is what happens when you spend your entire adult life in your parents basement on a folding chair looking up QAnon clues eating Hot Pockets and drinking Mountain Dew.
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    Anyone else old enough to remember "duck and cover" in school? On the first day of school, ever, all I recall is being taught that when the teacher yelled "duck and cover" we were to climb under our desks, crouch into a ball and shield our eyes". That way we'd be safe from the bright light flash and impact of the mushroom cloud from the nukes the Russians dumped on us. Hated the Russians since then. Fuck you Dave., you fucking traitor. You're as big of a scumbag as Roger Waters,,,,, without the music.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    Putin and all his lieutenants come from the KGB/FSB. So do many of the Billionaire oligarchs who own the former state enterprises.That would be like the US President and all his cabinet, and all the Big Tech CEOs, being former CIA spys.

    Realizing that explains a lot of what goes on in Russia.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Zelensky needs more billions of our tax dollars now....so he can bomb the shit out of his own people. Jail more opposition leaders. Ban more political parties and media outlets...
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    ^This asshole is also Dave Anderson
  • TheeOSU
    2 years ago
    You're the punk pussy cocksucker that talks tough online but is too frightened to back it up in person for fear of getting bitch slapped back into the maggot womb that spawned you dipshitscrub!

    The only thing you can do is talk big here then divert when confronted, PUSSYBOI!
    Any other questions punk?

    I have another question that you haven't answered, do you spit or swallow when you're turning tricks in your I-10 glory hole?
    Get back to diverting in your gloryhole boy, divert that man cum in your ass to your big mouth!
  • ATACdawg
    2 years ago
    "Anyone else old enough to remember "duck and cover" in school?"

    Yup. Funny thing was, they were testing the air raid siren one day. It had been announced for a certain time. The time hit +5 minutes. I asked the teacher, "Mr. Xxxx, isn't there supposed to be a siren blaring out?". He said, "Yes, there is," and he went and opened the window. It was there, barely audible, and it was less than half a mile away! 😂
  • SanchoRG
    2 years ago
    Imagine carrying water for Russia lol. Or any government/politician. But especially Russia and 5' Putin's 5" microdong
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Anschluss, Absorption.

    SJG

    No Quarter

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  • docsavage
    2 years ago
    Currently there are a lot of young men leaving Russia after the announcement of a mobilization, but the Ukraine has a similar problem. Their government had to make it illegal for any males under 60 to leave the country. Russia has three times the population of the Ukraine so it is likely the Ukraine will run out of soldiers first. It won't do the U.S. any good to send the Ukraine weapons if there is no one to use them. Polling shows Americans are strongly against sending American soldiers to fight and die there.

    It may take several years but it will finally be accepted that the absorption of the Russian speaking eastern part of the Ukraine into Russia is permanent. We won't start World War III over this. With the Boomers retiring, Social Security and Medicare will eat up most of the government budget with increased interest payments on the expanding debt eating up a lot of the rest. The U.S. will have to slash military spending and adopt a noninterventionist foreign policy out of necessity.
  • wld4tatas
    2 years ago
    This just means more Russian men will get slaughtered once they enter Ukraine. We'll see how long Russia can sustain that.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    Ukraine is consistently gaining back territory. Russia doesn’t have enough troops to hold the territory they previously captured. They can hold certain cities, so the Ukrainians pin them down, advance in the lightly defended farming areas, and encircle the occupied town.

    It’s played out that way for a couple months and Russia hasn’t figured out how to oppose it. So, they are supposedly bringing in 300,000 conscripts, rushing them to the front, and telling them they will be killed if they surrender or retreat. That’s how Russia defeated Germany during WWII. They used millions of troops as cannon fodder and eventually won the numbers game.

    I don’t that will work in the modern era, Hundreds of thousands of potential conscripts are fleeing, hiding, or shooting the recruiters.
  • mike710
    2 years ago
    @docsavage. There is a difference between people fighting for their home and people fighting because some politician says they have to go kill some people because he says so. I have no horse in this race but have seen how passionate the Ukrainians are in their quest to remain free.

    There is a lot of history between these two countries and Ukraine has just as much, if not more, reason to be free.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    There was a classic movie called Paths Of Glory which told the story of French troops during the First World War. All the generals got their position because they were social elite. Their incompetence resulted in the front line soldiers being massacred. But, in the end, the failure is blamed on the supposed cowardice of the troops, some of whom are executed.

    I think that’s similar to what is happening with the Russian army.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    Video of the new Russian recruits ( some in their 40sand 50s ) being told the only thing they will be given is a uniform and gun. They have to bring their own sleeping bag, medicine, etc. Good luck when winter comes, if they are still alive.

    https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/29/dire-stat…
  • docsavage
    2 years ago
    @mike710. This isn't just people fighting for their home. The Ukrainian government has been shelling the eastern Russian speaking part of the country since the elected government was overthrown with U.S. assistance in 2014. This is to keep one part of the country from seceding from another part. The current Ukrainian government has banned opposition political parties, engaged in press censorship, thrown political opponents into jail, and passed a law making it illegal for any male under 60 to leave because it wants to force them to stay and fight for the current regime.

    The Russians care about their country too. The U.S. told them they would not expand NATO to the Russian border. Ukraine had given up their nuclear weapons, but Zelensky had started talking about going nuclear again. The Russians do not want a hostile U.S. backed nuclear power on their border. How would Americans like a Russian backed hostile Mexico with nuclear weapons on our border? Did we do nothing when Russia tried that with Cuba?

    This is not really about the Ukraine. Putin needs to be portrayed as a dangerous menace here in the U.S. in order to justify our $800 billion yearly U.S. military budget. The military-industrial complex makes a lot of money from that and doesn't want the gravy train to end. A large military and our attempt to play policeman for the world is going to end, though, because we don't have the money for it. We are running trillion dollar a year deficits now and the money printing to pay for overspending is leading to high inflation and the impoverishment of the average American.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    Among the likely outcomes of the Ukraine war are the collapse of the European Union and the eradication of the modern economy throughout much of Europe, and all of Russia. All of this could have been avoided if not for the incompetent and delusional decisions made by the corrupt leaders in the US, Europe, and Russia.

    Throughout Europe, countries embraced Greta Thunebergs green energy fantasies, closing power plants, building windmills, and relying on Russian energy. Their entire economy, their way of life, required the continued flow of cheap natural gas from Russia, which they assumed would continue forever.

    Putin was clear that he was prepared to go to war if Ukraine became a NATO member. Despite this, the Biden administration announced that Ukraine was on the fast track to join NATO. Shortly after that announcement, Russia began building troops on the Ukraine border.

    Based on what his stooges told him, Putin thought the Ukrainian people would welcome the Russians as liberators, resulting in a 3 day war. Wrong.

    Now, we are locked in a war that no one can walk away from. Like two dogs fighting over a bone. We are only beginning to realize how much the western world will change as a result of a few horrible decisions by our leadership class.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    The problem isn't clean energy.

    The problem is propping up zelensky to fight a proxy war against Russia and thinking there would be no repercussions
  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    ^ What would you have us do ?
    We never promised anything to the Russians about NATO, the rush to join NATO is fueled by a single reason, Putin’s own actions, the Russians could stop fighting today and the war would be over, if the Ukraine stops fighting the Ukraine will cease to exist, funny thing about you guy’s being so smart, you’re just a bunch of apologists for Vladimir Putin.
    I say fuck the damn Russians I’d give Zelensky longer range armaments let the Russians go fuck themselves. The Russians can’t even feed their own soldiers, give the Ukraine longer range armaments this war will be over in short order.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    There's should have been a lit of pressure on unraine to join peace talks and to stop bombing eastern ukraine. Tonstop rehabilitating nazis and allowing neonazis in the military etc. Instead the west chose to arm ukraine and provoke it into a war against Russia.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    All of this could have been avoided if biden wasn't wasting tax dollars on weapons and funding the zelensky regime
  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    ^ Keep posting the same things over and over doesn’t mean a damn thing, you’re a Putin apologist and an idiot as well as a traitor and a third columnist
  • wld4tatas
    2 years ago
    Putin doesn't need any help from the "military industrial complex" to make him look dangerous, and justify military spending. Putin did that all on his own. That "complex" doesn't run the show , they are not that influential. It is our elected officials and the Americans they represent that understand the US is the leader of the free world and has an essential role to play in promoting democracy and fighting tyranny. If that were not the case we would see a movement to slash military spending. While there are people that want to see that happen, such a movement has not gained significant traction.
  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    Like in Putin's story about the cornered rat, he's especially dangerous right now. Unfortunately, were he deposed, whomever replaces him could be worse.
  • SanchoRG
    2 years ago
    Long live the little king
  • mike710
    2 years ago
    @docsavage. When I was in high school taking a civics class from an instructor I liked, but now know he was on t he opposite political spectrum from me, he talked about "guns or butter". That was building the war machine or taking care of the masses.

    You sound like you worked inside the war machine so you know about it.

    The talk about what Russia is entitled to do by history is sketchy. If they have an old claim on these territories based on history and population then we should be open to Mexico coming into Texas and California because it was Mexican territory before and there are as many, or more , Mexicans in these states.
  • docsavage
    2 years ago
    @mike710. That's a good guess that I've worked inside the war machine. I've worked for the U.S. Army for forty years. I've worked with and talked to soldiers who told me when they were in the Middle East the natives hated them and wanted them to leave. They didn't see us as liberators. When we left Afghanistan, I wasn't surprised at all that our puppet government was quickly overthrown by the natives. I'm very aware that the official U.S. propaganda put out to Americans by our government is not accurate and not to be trusted. Because of that, I don't trust what they say about the Ukraine or Russia.

    As for California or Texas joining Mexico, I would be fine with them taking a vote in those states to see if they want to join Mexico. I would be against the government in Washington D.C. trying to stop that. I am also against the Ukraine government trying to stop the Russian speaking parts of the country from leaving if they want. I don't believe in the use of force to keep people from doing what they want to do. I believe in voluntary relationships between people that are mutually beneficial to those involved.

    Americans are just not realistic about our financial situation. With the Boomers retiring, it's estimated by 2032 that the cost of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, military and civilian pensions will be 100% of tax revenues. By then, our national debt will be forty trillion dollars. We can't keep interest rates low because it is inflationary so, assuming a normal 5% interest rate, that will be two trillion dollars a year just for interest payments on the debt. We just can't keep spending 800 billion dollars a year on a military so we can pursue an interventionist foreign policy. We need to accept reality. To be honest, I think Americans are too childish and immature to accept reality. They always vote for the politicians who want to spend more on everything, including a huge military, and it will eventually drive the country into an economic collapse.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    After WWII, we became the world’s policeman because the Soviet Union was an existential threat to the US. They no longer are. In fact, after they fail in Ukraine, they won’t even be a regional threat.

    Despite its economic success, China is not an existential threat to the US. They have a huge military but lack the ability to project force very far from their borders. Additionally, their survival depends on importing food and oil from sources thousands of miles away. If China started a war with the US or one of our Allie’s, we could stop the flow of food and oil within a matter of days.

    We will reposition our military to maintain peace in the Western Hemisphere, plus guard shipping lanes with a few key Allies. We no longer need to have 14 nuclear aircraft carriers or thousands of troops in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
  • Mate27
    2 years ago
    Not that this will happen(I hope not), but with Putin and Russia losing their efforts on this war I believe the annexation strategy is being used so the Russians can claim an attack on their sovereignty when Ukraine fights to retain those lands, and then Putin can try to justify using nuclear weapons. It’s the scary thought nobody wants to see, but possible.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    Under Russian law, conscripts in the military can only be stationed in Russia. By declaring parts of Ukraine as Russians, he can send those hundreds of thousands of conscripts to the front lines.

    I think that was the main reason for annexation.
  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    ^ Russian law is subject to change at any point in time depending, on the needs and whims of Vladimir Putin.
  • SanchoRG
    2 years ago
    Who is going to lead those conscripts? Their officer corps have been gutted. Maybe Putin will show up?
  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    Russian Lt. Col beaten up after calling conscripts "cannon fodder."

    Oops, wasn't supposed to say that part...

    https://nypost.com/2022/09/30/high-ranki…
  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    Those who claim that "Russia has lost" because it "only got 20%" of Ukraine miss the point. The strategic value of these regions rejoining Russia cannot be understated. Putting aside the mineral wealth of these territories including significant lithium mines, these areas provide both a land connection, water supply, and strategic buffer for Crimea. Crimea has been strategically and hydrologically isolated from the rest of the Russian Federation since it rejoined Russia in 2014. Crimea is critically and strategically important for Russia and is what they have always cared about. They have achieved this goal.
  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    What's really happening is Putin's back is against the wall, he knows he's loosing and the sabotage of the pipeline is just Russia straining to be relevant, Putin knows the history, and is well aware that winter is coming, just as first Napoleon then Hitler couldn't sustain their supply lines to conquer Russia once the Russian winter set in, he won't be able to sustain his own supply line out to the Ukraine and he's already in bad shape, sure he's going to make a bunch of threats that's his style, but he (Putin) is really looking for an off ramp, I won't be surprised if he sues for peace, my guess is his grasp on power in Russia is fading fast.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    Russian men in their 20s are either fleeing Russia, in the hundreds of thousands, or being sent to Ukraines to die. Either way, the Russian workforce will NEVER recover.
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    Russia lost another city in Donbas today while Marky Mark Dave Anderson was sucking his cock. Russian men should stick to raping women and murdering children, where they're almost as good as muclim men.
  • doctorevil
    2 years ago
    25, I don't disagree with most of what you said, but it just doesn't make sense for Russia to sabotage its own pipeline that provides it hard currency. The most likely culprit is Ukraine, or a party aligned with Ukraine. And if they did it, it's a smart move.
  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    @DE
    As far as has actually been reported, there was no shipments being made on Nord 2 and Nord 1 was closed, I get the point of your skepticsm but most of what's being reported is just not accurate, and it makes less than no sense for Ukraine to commit an act of sabotage, against folks that are supporting A) Their application for membership in NATO B) The European Union, and I don't believe the U S has any interest we've been selling plenty of fuel and at the moment don't have the capacity to ship any more natural gas, and the Germans have no way to receive and store it even if we could ship it,
  • Papi_Chulo
    2 years ago
    Perhaps the Nord Stream sabotage was retaliation for Russia's annexation of the Ukrainian provinces
  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    Let's talk about Krasny Liman. The "western" media is having its daily orgasm about "Russia losing."

    Alexander Mercouris on YouTube has been covering the battle for this town for a while now. The Ukrainians were literally putting almost all remaining effort before the autumn rains in their counter-offensive into taking this small town.

    As Alex has pointed out for days, taking this town seemed to become a singular obsession for Zelinsky and/or the Ukrainian leadership but the reason for this isn't clear. Despite what the "western" media is saying the strategic value of this town is questionable.

    Unlike in Izium where Russia barely had any troops and literally ceeded the city, Russia was making some effort to defend Liman. However, one would expect the massive Ukrainian counter-offensive to yield some victories. Russia is always willing to cede less strategic areas, pull back, regroup and focus on more important targets. Slow, methodical artillery based fighting is the general Russian strategy.

    Losing Krasny Liman is not good for Russia but its not really a big deal in the overall picture. One would expect Ukraine to have some successes in its counteroffensive with billions of dollars in US weapons and support. The Kherson offensive was a disaster for Ukraine and the they continue to slowly lose ground around Donestsk City so these small victories in the North need to be looked at in perspective.

    The "western" media is once again misleading its listeners.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    The sun was in the Russian’s eyes. The dog ate their homework. The Ukrainians cheated. The Russians weren’t trying their hardest. Ukrainians are poopy heads.
  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    Just saw a headline claiming Russia has "suffered a string of humiliating defeats" in Ukraine. If Russia is "humiliated" after losing a few towns during a multi-billion dollar western backed massive Ukrainian counteroffensive how much more "humiliated" must Ukraine and its backers in the US and Europe feel after losing a fifth of the country? The only "humiliation" Russia had suffered is in the imaginations of western news writers.
  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    ^ Which is why they're attacking their own recruiters and fleeing the country in droves.

    We have reporting from every major news source in the world versus a kook on a titty bar message board who thinks Alex Jones is insightful.

    Who isn't credible, again?

    You.
  • datinman
    2 years ago
    "The bribe payable for postponing conscription in the Khabarovsk Region of the Russian Federation is 100,000 Russian roubles [approximately US$1,644]."

    Hard to believe they are paying Dave_Anderson 100,000 Rubles to post BS on TUSCL.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    All those billions of dollars and nato weapons aren't defeating russia.

  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    ^ They don't need to "defeat" Russia. Only outlast them.
  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    Russia's already won. There won't be a US -Europe led unipolar world anymore. The most interesting development is the support Russia has received from both India and Pakistan. Turkey, long a rival of Russia is becoming increasingly cooperative. The New World Order is in big trouble.
  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    ^ Better adjust the tinfoil hat, Alex Jones Boy, if you think Russia is going to be _any_ pole in a multipolar world.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Russia is the bitch who doesn't do extras. Ukraine is the $80 3 hole special. And the US is the 60 year old hoe thinking she looks 20 lulz
  • Strupviffle
    2 years ago
    I love the community coming together to dunk on putin's bitches.

    It boggles my mind that people would support Russian geopolitical motives. Putin is under a lot of pressure from both the hawks in his ranks and the larger risk of losing public support by escalating the war. The entire Ukraine escapade is about making Russia relevant again - and Ukrainians have been heroic in showing the world the cracks in the Russian war machine. Who knows what will happen in the next 6 months, putin cannot lose and stay on power. His hand is already forced.
  • Studme53
    2 years ago
    Putin should stick a quarter up his ass because he played himself.

    He was regarded as calculating previously, now he’ll be remembered for an enormous miscalculation that resulted in his demise and set Russia back for decades.
  • Studme53
    2 years ago
    On the bright side, everyone with any brains or talent is leaving Russia. Hopefully that includes a lot of hot women who want to strip here.
  • yahtzee74
    2 years ago
    >Despite its economic success, China is not an existential threat to the US.

    That's what they like you to think but China is the main threat. It might not be militarily but they are the threat. They will do it by forcing companies that want to do business in China to follow their rules or be shut out. It's China's Corporate Social Credit System. You already see how they make the NBA fall in line.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    US and European companies are fleeing China as fast as they can. CoVid shut downs have killed its manufacturing industry. It is seeing its dollar reserves disappear, making it difficult to import food and energy. Its Belt and Road initiative is a shambles, with countries unable to pay their debts. It is experiencing the biggest real estate crash in history. Its banks are failing and refusing to pay account holders.

    Due to the one child policy, it now has more retirees than young workers.The workers it does have are being paid 12 times as much as in 2,000, making China noncompetitive. It is a demographic certainty that their population will shrink from 1.3 Billion to 650 Million by 2050. That has never happened to any other nation except for the Plague.
  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    Daily reminder Russia is not "losing." In any conflict there will be ebbs and flows. Ukraine and its Nato puppet masters are on their much anticipated counteroffensive. Of course they will take back some territory. Thats not to say that Russia has not made mistakes and doesn't need to change its strategy. Putin needs to listen to hardliners in Russia and get tough. He didn't seem to have what it takes to take the gloves off in Ukraine.
  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    You won't hear about this in the "Russia is being humiliated" western media...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/eurasiantim…
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    ^Traitor who sucks Putin's cock and swallows.
  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    I don't see how "Russia is using a different tactic" translates to "Russia is now winning."

    Alex Jones Boy has no cred anyways.

    Slava Ukraini
    Slava Heroyam
    Fuck Putin and fuck Putin again
    And Fuck Putin a third time.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    So is biden zelenskys sugar daddy or is zelensky bidens pimp?
  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    Crimean Bridge already reopened after last night's terrorist attack...

    https://www.rt.com/russia/564303-crimean…
  • Tetradon
    2 years ago
    ^ Russia Today, now there's a reliable, objective source. Lol
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    Russia today lol. What a fucking douche bag. Nazi Icee and Douche bag Dave. I miss Simon and Garfunkle .......
  • Dave_Anderson
    2 years ago
    More on the failure of the CIA / Biden terrorist regime's attack on the Crimean bridge:

    https://news.sky.com/story/key-bridge-fr…

    This whole conflict seems to be a battle of incompetent "leaders" seeing who can fail the most. Both sides (US/NATO/ Ukraine) and Russia seem to be trying to compete to decide which side is most incompetent.

    How about we negotiate an end to this tragic and unnecessary slaughter as Elon Musk recently proposed?
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