So Texas feels like seceding (again!)

I say let em go, we'll save some money not having to pay for their problems, and just like Cali, they have more problems than you realize.

I'm with 25, let em go. But they gotta put up a wall on their side of the border to the US.

My views tend to run the gamut of the spectrum so I'm not sure if your question applies to me, but it would make me somewhat less likely to want to move there. But it's really impossible to know without details. Simple things like what is currently interstate travel become international travel. How simple would crossing that border be? Would I have to give up my US Citizenship to become a Texas Citizen? Would we extradite? How would my assets outside of Texas be treated? I'm guessing my employer wouldn't be Texas based, so I'd have to deal with that mess. Fuck it, Texas isn't that much different than Florida, wtf would I move?

Secession of any state is idle talk.

Fuck it, Texas isn't that much different than Florida, wtf would I move?

So far I’m only thinking you guys eat alligators and Texans eat armadillos are the only differences.

I'd support a free California. Let the south and Midwest drain someone else's tax dollars.

Why

First off, Texas is one of only two states to join the Union as an independent country. Secondly, there is nothing illegal about secession. The Constitution, being totally silent on the issue, leaves the decision to stay or go to the States under the 10th Amendment. Texas would probably be the same. Anything they lost in Federal funds they would make up by controlling the border with Mexico, so an arrangement would be worked out. We'd pay them welfare, as we do with the failed states to the South, to keep them under control. Would I live there? It would still be hot, dry, dusty, flat and foreign to me, a skier, so FUCK NO.

TX would not be seceding as much as kicking the rest of the states to the curb. The most interesting part of their resolution was the explicit declaration that the 2020 election was stolen, and that Biden is NOT the president.

How would all this work when Texas doesn’t have any state income tax? If they were really to leave wouldn’t they likely have to implement that?

There have been similar proposals w.r.t. California in the past including breaking up CA into different states.

IDK enough to know how it would work out for any state to go at it alone - off the top of my head one would think any state would have a tough time going at it alone - not to mention that depending on who is in charge of the country, they may use the US/Federal power against the seceding state vs working in good faith as w/ any other country.

w.r.t. moving to an independent TX - I guess that would be an option just like there are millions of Americans that have exercised the option to live outside the US - if the US became a woke state where conservatives would be targeted and be treated as second-class-citizens then it would def be an option including leaving the US.

I imagine talk of secession has been around for many years in different states and it's never come close - thus I assume it'd be something unlikely and unlikely to be passed by the majority of the state's electorate - seems something often used as political-tactics to rile-up a segment of the electorate.

If TX became independent and perhaps not have the backing of the US; might Mexico be tempted to take it back (by force) and make it part of Mexico again; hmm?

I’ll do one better. How about all the Red states secede or better yet, kick their ass out of the fuckin country. Those fuckers will suffer the same fate the Confederacy suffered buck in the Civil War. Where do you think the money in the country comes from?? THE BLUE STATES, ASS CUNT. I don’t know about you but I don’t want MY TAX MONEY going to prop up states like Mississippi that get UP TO $2 for every dollar they send to Uncle Sam. Whereas New York only gets $.75 for every dollar that goes to Uncle Sam.

Texas and Florida are in the top-5 of states by GDP - there are strong economic red states as well as weak economic red states; same applies for blue states - every state has its pros and cons - California for as rich as it is has many economic issues and seems very-top-heavy in terms of who's doing well where the minority is doing super-well whereas the avg person not so much - states w/ weaker economies may not have as many opportunities but they tend to be much more affordable thus it may be a better tradeoff for many.

And it’s no secret that most of the recent exodus has been from blue-areas to red-areas even with all the conservative bashing in the liberal-media – even looking at political maps, rare to see an area/state go from blue to red, but more come to see red-areas go blue or purple; and that is generally not from a change-of-heart of the people living in the particular-state; but from people leaving blue-areas b/c they don’t feel they can live there anymore but yet go to red-areas and w/ time turn-them blue or purple which doesn’t make sense but it is what it is.

Of course, Red States get more government money, they serve in the military. Blue states do give us more traitors and shitty Presidents, if you look at the last three assholes.

"... I don’t want MY TAX MONEY going to prop up states like Mississippi ..."

New Mexico (Blue state) is the state most dependent on the federal gov - other blue areas like Maine; Vermont; DC; and even Hawaii; make the top 15 - i.e. some areas have stronger economies independent of political leaning

If they change the stripper age law back, I’m there.

A state can't secede. There's no mention of it in the constitution but it would have to secede constitutionally so it's a moot point. It's not a constitutional right. We fought a civil war over this... and Texas v White basically made it illegal.

Costa is right, if overly angry in his rightness. The red states are a net drain on the social programs that are favored mostly by the blue states.

The Constitution explicitly allows for interstate compacts. The Federal Government should be reduced down to doing military defense, foreign border control and little else. The blue states can form a compact to provide other government services and they see fit. If Texas still wants to secede, so be it. The blue states should provide assistance to poorer people who need to flee the red states.

I wonder if Texas will want a share of the nukes, or just make their own. Scary. They destroyed their own electrical grid without nukes, think what they'll do with them.

This is a dumb discussion because the states are so dependent on one another. It isn't like Texas would just snap its fingers and bam it's an independent state. It would need its own military, its own infrastructure, to upgrade its own power grid (or at least be very friendly with the rest of the lower 47 states), its own currency and central bank, etc.

Most of the states that get a lot of funding have national laboratories (like New Mexico) or military bases. California would be fucked without water (like the Colorado River) coming from the east.

All this secession shit is crazy talk borne of people who haven't thought through what's really required.

I would just be for returning to the idea that the Constitution is a list of what the federal government is allowed to do and everything else, as the tenth amendment says, is left to the states. Dealing with crime isn't listed in the Constitution as a federal responsibility. Each state could decide things like whether getting an abortion, smoking marijuana, engaging in commercial sex work and so on would be a crime or not. People could move to the states that reflect their values. If you have everything decided at the federal level and you don't like what they do you have to completely leave the country, something not as easy as moving to another state.

The only grounds for a total ban on abortion are religious, so it violates the First Amendment. If killing a ball of cells is murder, then drawing blood for a a blood test is murder. If some states are going to kick the Bill of Rights to the curb, then yeah, that needs to be a separate country, it's no longer the US, as it's been historically defined.

"If killing a ball of cells is murder, then drawing blood for a a blood test is murder."

I don't think that's how making babies works, but your joke on the other thread about getting kicked down a well in the land of Stripperweb was funny.

Secession is illegal. And a fetus isn't a human being. It can't survive outside a woman's body. So uts just an extension of her body and she can do as she pleases with it. Counter arguments are based on religious nonsense.

I'm much more concerned with insurance companies denying coverage. Lack of univers health care. And hospital ethics panels that can refuse treatment to patients.

"... If killing a ball of cells is murder, then drawing blood for a a blood test is murder ..."

I don't think I've ever heard a stupider analogy - I guess if a woman needs an abortion then all she has to do is draw some blood; SMH - I assume you're a dedicated MSNBC viewer to think that analogy makes sense.

Kinda ball of cells looking there up to week 5: media.istockphoto.com . Sorry, facts can be such a bitch.

Secession is 100% legal you fucking retard Icee. Cite your source stating otherwise and explain the 10th Amendment asshole. All those supporting abortion support murder. Its ok to support murder as God gave all of us free will; it's not okay to lie about it, so burn in hell murderers.

Skibitch stop lying.

Texas v White made it illegal. Ie the US is an indestructible union and no state can secede.

Jefferson Davis used the 10th amendment to justify the confederacy. Which led to the Civil war. Guess you support the confederacy now. You can't have a constitutional procedure for something not constitutional

The states that attempted to succeed should have been dissolved. Failure to do that was a huge mistake.

SJG

Just an attempt to get headlines and galvanize the Texas voters ahead of mid terms. Continue to promulgate the big lie and get people angry enough to get out the vote.

In Congress, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America. When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

So, I reckon there are causes that might impel separation among states once United...

Texas v. White is a court case based on a bond issue/payment dispute. It cannot be used to prevent states from seceding and like Roe can be overturned at any time. Reading the case is painful as the Court tries to justify its ruling. White, like Roe is a bullshit political opinion. The confederacy had the right to secede, and I defend that right. Assume I still hate progressives.

Texas may think it wants to try and secede, but that does not mean that it will be allowed to. It won't be allowed to.

SJG

Texas should secede and become part of Switzerland - sure they'll be a little far but that's what the internet is for

Killington VT tried to secede and join New Hampshire, despite having no border.

I suspect it's more of an attempt to rile up the electorate, rather than a serious decision to secede, they figure that if they get everyone all riled up about the red meat issues they'll get their voters mad and the turnout will be in their favor.

Elections are all about turnout

Texas v White was about secession.

The part about bonds dealt with that they were sold illegally during the confederacy. That yhe US has sole jurisdiction over them and ruled secession illegal. The SCOTUS said a state can't take on federal responsibilities. And it recognized the confederate secession as illegal and that the confederacy had no legal jurisdiction.

The asshole who wrote the unanimously panned opinion was Salmon Chase a former Lincoln cabinet member. He based his ignorant decision on the idea of a perpetual union", based on the "More Perfect Union" of the preamble to the Constitution. The decision was hated by everyone. in 1905 Jacobsen v. Massachusetts held that "The Preamble confers no additional powers", thereby gutting the decision and rendering it meaningless. Should have shepardized the case Icee. A real pretend lawyer would....

'The states that attempted to succeed should have been dissolved.'

Really? Ok question, how do you dissolve a state? Put it in a glass of water like a tab of Alka Seltzer?

BTW, how was your junteenth holiday? I didn't see you online, did you have a good day?

Something to keep in mind, secession is always illegal, unless you win, that's why our Civil War and our President Lincoln were unusual, prior to our Civil War, it is very rare in history where you'll see an attempt to secede, and the secessionists aren't executed immediately after the uprising is defeated.

IDK the details about the law w.r.t. secession (or pretty-much anything else) - but ... one thing I wonder about is if Texas' statehood may somehow be different given it was an independent country (Republic of Texas) before joining - so there may be something particular w.r.t. TX?

Jacobson v Massachusetts was about smallpox vaccination mandates by states. You're full of it.

You're supporting the confederacy and you're from Massachusetts 😂😂😭😭😭

Being a country or Mexican territory before joining the union doesn't matter. US laws apply to Texas as a state

You're a fucking retard icey. Go to a mass shooting. Secession is perfectly legal and the North raped the south after the war and committed war crimes during the war. To the southerners we are the terrorist enemy. I look and democrats and cannot argue the point.

Anyone who as signed an officers loyalty oath and then took part in the secession effort should have been executed.

THe rape of the South was economic, and that was because by 1873 we were in the first world wide recession. Capitalism was broken and it would never be fixed. The South was then made into an internal Third World. And this is when the Republican Party became the Party of Big Business, instead of racial justice.

SJG

Majority are RED STATES Papi. Nice pivot to try to make it so the blue states are just as guilty.

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Skibum. The SCOTUS says otherwise

Just like Roe I guess. Abortion is murder.

'The states that attempted to succeed should have been dissolved.'

Really? Ok question, how do you dissolve a state? Put it in a glass of water like a tab of Alka Seltzer?

BTW, how was your junteenth holiday? I didn't see you online, did you have a good day?

Skibum stick to being a divorce lawyer. You make shit up knowing most here don't have the knowledge to know any better.

Secession is unconstitutional.

Wow! Just WOW!!! LOL at all these boomers with low reading comprehension. When did the op mention abortion? Maybe some of the miserable boomers wished they were aborted

True patriots, lol.

No Democrat in this country is anything other than a traitor; and wah to you little Cowboy bitch, the queen of off topic posts.

Skibitch you support the confederacy which was founded on treason. And which was about as anti American as you can get