The problem with the ignore button
drewcareypnw
not the real drew carey, but I play him at strip clubs...
A common suggestion on TUSCL wrt to managing trolls is something along the lines of "if you don't like what TrollUserXYZ is saying, press the ignore button".
This feature does work as advertised: you will stop seeing posts from the ignored user, even though you will still see them on the "my feed" page.
However, the ignore button doesn't really solve the problem of a post becoming troll infested. All of the troll fighters pile onto the troll, and now the conversation is all about the troll. Except it's a little weirder because you're only seeing one side of a troll based conversation... like you went to a party that was really a séance and everyone is shouting at their dead grandfather that is in the room but you can't see him.
Example: a recent post called "Looks like the trolls are calling founder out" has 78 posts, and 30 of them are direct responses from troll fighters to a putative troll! This doesn't even include posts by the troll which I can't see!
I don't know what the answer here is. But it's pretty damn meta when a post about trolls catches a troll and then everyone starts trolling the troll. Maybe "troll" is the wrong word. This is more like Night of the Living Dead, where a zombie bites someone and a few minutes later everyone turns into a zombie as well... but they're just biting the first zombie. Or something. HAHA
This feature does work as advertised: you will stop seeing posts from the ignored user, even though you will still see them on the "my feed" page.
However, the ignore button doesn't really solve the problem of a post becoming troll infested. All of the troll fighters pile onto the troll, and now the conversation is all about the troll. Except it's a little weirder because you're only seeing one side of a troll based conversation... like you went to a party that was really a séance and everyone is shouting at their dead grandfather that is in the room but you can't see him.
Example: a recent post called "Looks like the trolls are calling founder out" has 78 posts, and 30 of them are direct responses from troll fighters to a putative troll! This doesn't even include posts by the troll which I can't see!
I don't know what the answer here is. But it's pretty damn meta when a post about trolls catches a troll and then everyone starts trolling the troll. Maybe "troll" is the wrong word. This is more like Night of the Living Dead, where a zombie bites someone and a few minutes later everyone turns into a zombie as well... but they're just biting the first zombie. Or something. HAHA
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The vast majority of boards which have moderation severely limit what people can say, and the real bullies are the moderators.
So of course we want people to self-moderate. But that is about the best which can be done.
SJG
@Icey: flicker lights once for YES, twice for NO, and three times for "send more chapstick".
Right, exactly. A while back, founder gave us a capability that the thread OP could two-way block people on his thread -- that is, he could create a thread and then block the trolls off it. That didn't address the issue of trolls creating their own threads, but it was very effective at keeping trolls off of non-troll threads. Finally, for the first time in years, we could have entire interesting conversations without trolls in them. But that's not the kind of forum founder wants to have, so he removed the capability after a short time.
That brings up a point many people seem to be missing. The fact is, the natural state of all forums, everywhere, is to be troll-infested. The reason most forums that you read are NOT actually troll-infested, is because the owner/admin/mods took steps to remove the trolls, because they didn't want a troll-infested forum. The reason this forum is not troll free, is because the owner/admin **wants** it this way (if he didn't, it's trivially easy to correct it, like the thread-block feature he gave us, or assigning a couple of mods to help), this is the forum he wants on his site. Urging everyone else not to respond to trolls is not a strategy that has ever worked in the history of the internet; and you guys who think there's some mythical technology refresh coming that's going to correct this are beyond delusional, because technology is not the problem. This isn't something we as non-troll users can solve; the one person who can solve prefers it the way it is. It's that simple, IMO.
Your problem is blaming the victims of trolling and attacking people for defending themselves from yhe trolls
Of course when nice spice sjg et al conspire to get a troll like you back they're more tolerant. Or.better said too stupid to see what you do dougster
It is not an easy issue. Most of the boards that control it do so with strict moderation. But always the mods are not really enforcing on civility, they are just creeps on power trips and they enforce on POV. We are very lucky that founder has never been like that. I am convinced that that is part of the reason for this boards success.
Muddy just posted about getting banished from Stripper Web after a post or two. I do not agree with Muddy on much, but his material is hilarious.
Ignore means that you don't have to see someone's stuff, and that they can't PM you, but that is all.
We have about 8 dedicated trolls, and one in particular runs a dozen sock puppets. They post personal attacks, things trying to impugn people's face to face lives. And some will believe it. So they make it hard to maintain privacy and anonymity.
These 8 just have nothing better to do and they contribute little material of their own.
Only in truly extreme cases, like things that will cause external legal consequence, has founder banished.
I think he is right, because he does not want to have to baby sit imbeciles on an online forum. If Admin's get involved visibly it looks like they are taking sides, and that can make it worse.
I believe we have a trusted core of a few members who do try to bring conversations back into the sanity sphere, deflecting them away from the personal attacks, and back to some kind of civil discourse.
There are lots and lots of good members who have left because they cannot stand the constant personal attacks.
These 8 trolls, they are people who cannot carry on civil discourse and they are people who try to hide behind the herd, and they are always referencing the herd in their posts, and they expect everyone to submit to it.
They are just extremely immature.
These are the people who pressed founder for the VIP and Verified Rooms. But they do use these.
I made one thread in VIP, to talk about review texts. But that was just so that I was not compromising the commercial value of the review texts. Otherwise I would not personally think there any reason to have VIP and Verified Rooms.
But some insisted, but then they don't use them.
SJG
School of Rock AllStar Students perform "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" by CCR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQDa2j8W…
Do you remember him calling someone a frenulum, another a taint.
LOL
And people keep saying that Eltriste is Icey. What posts we are seeing, in my view, does not support that. Calling new members sock puppets has long been a problem here.
And Icey is not a troll, he just has some minority views. We should keep the discourse civil.
SJG
25, are you being arbitrarily argumentative?
SJG
And Icey is not a troll, he just has some minority views."
WOW WOW WOW!!!
Did I just read that? I must have since I was able c+p it.
What instantly came to mind when I saw that is that the creep is so obviously blind, oblivious, delusional, and mentally ill that he should be forcibly confined for his own safety.
SJG
SJG
The School of Rock plays Gimme Shelter with Special guest star Orianthi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…
For example I'd rather hear what Dave Anderson says than read cim saying Dave doesn't mean what he says and is a troll. Or I'd rather read icees posts without sld going on a retarded tirade while 25 and skibum spout tourette like vitriol and drewcary makes a new post how he hates icee for defending himself.
SJG
SJG
The School of Rock plays Gimme Shelter with Special guest star Orianthi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwpG4pe3…
This is why I can you circle jerkers.
SJG
Stray Cat Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3PD8Ji…
SJG
Stray Cat Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3PD8Ji…
That's why you're here so you won't.
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That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
^^^ this is an example in this thread of a textbook troll post. Posted by the troll alias of Iceydodo (aka PhatBoi).
^^^another textbook troll post by this thread's most passive aggressive and narcissistic troll, Eltriste (aka Iceydodo aka PhatBoi).
But she's too stupid to realize it herself. 🤭🤡
For example I'd rather hear what Dave Anderson says than read cim saying Dave doesn't mean what he says and is a troll. Or I'd rather read icees posts without sld going on a retarded tirade while 25 and skibum spout tourette like vitriol and drewcary makes a new post how he hates icee for defending himself."
^^^yet another textbook troll post by this thread's most passive aggressive and narcissistic troll, Eltriste (aka Iceydodo aka PhatBoi).
But she's too stupid to realize it herself. 🤭🤡
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
^^^ take a hint 🤭🤡😂😂😂
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
I can hear you Icey, I can hear you!!! Is gramma with you? Did my dog go to heaven? Wait a minute... are YOU in heaven? How's Dixienormus? How's SJG? Can ghosts FRMOS? You want Dave, you say? Ok. I was planning on sending him to the Ignore Zone too.
The candles are getting low, a cold wind blows through the LDA... and the ghosts are gone.
I hope they have library wifi in the Ignore Zone. And lots of chapstick.
^^^@drew LOL I don't mind the repetition.
And I have no issues admitting that it's trolling too, unlike some people. 🤷
Nope. And both of us have proved that numerous times. Hell, there have been several instances where I didn't like something that 25 posted and he hasn't liked something I've posted. And yet we somehow manage to either stay out of each other's way or agree to disagree.
"And you aren't even trying to use the Ignore Feature."
You are correct. And I don't use it for the reasons sensibly put forth by Drew, which you either didn't read or couldn't comprehend. If two-way "Ignore" returns, I'll use it.
Also, in much the same way that I'm not going to take strip club advice from a guy who can't sort out an internet connection outside of library hours, I'm not going to take seriously the recommendations on discussion forum etiquette from a guy who has (more than once) threatened to shoot me.
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
TROLL ON MY ANTITROLLING BROTHERS!!
And you are spot on about Iceydodo and sam_jose_creep. Both have a mental retardation thing going on for whatever reason. They are to the point that they completely lack self awareness of their own trolling. And in Iceydodo's case I think she had psychological issues and her drug use is exacerbating them in addition to clouding her judgement.
For sure they will just get worse.
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
You just plain do not belong.
SJG
The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…
exhibit A-infinity, the hundreds of threads you made!
That's why you're here so you won't.
And you're a dumbass that doesn't understand you're also a troll.
🤭🤡
Hear to troll you say? Lulz
Having another anxiety attack that's affecting your spelling iceydougster?
You need to calm down, take a deep breath,and stop trolling!
You're on here all day doing nothing but trolling and ruining threads
If you ask founder nicely maybe he’ll save your ass because right now you’re getting p’owned all over the site.