What are you spending every month on otc or itc

Spend exactly what you want, exactly within your means.

Do you want a $1k pornstar? Go get 'em! Do you have an old favorite who treats you and maybe less of a glitz pick? That sounds fun too.

For myself I don't see the point of bragging points if the experience isn't five stars.

Too much

$1000 for one hour with one girl ? No way. If I'm forking that that much, I want two girls for the entire evening.

If ANY girl asks for $1000 for one hour, please JUST SAY NO !

I cut down gambling a lot so I've been spending 700-1000 a strip clubs so far this year with room to move up if I cut down on some of my other dumb things. Although Desires is kind of getting stale, feels like 80% of the roster has been there for the last 2 years now.

Warrior thats the rates these famous pornstars and IG models charge it seems they are able to get a lot of takers for it too. But there are a few pornstars i may pay that for.

There are a few random no name escorts who even charge $2000 for an hour. One of them even sells “exclusivity packages” where you pay her $30k a month and she lives with you and is exclusive to you.

I dont want to pay for fame. Some of the ig models are extremely hot though, as well as some pornstars.

Bitcoinhodler, what are those other dumb things you waste money on.

And yeah im thinking i may just try one new club every month and spend the rest on high end escorts in the $400+ range. Unless theres a dancer I really like for otc

I spend (lose) a lot of money on sports gambling, blackjack, expensive cars, and going out to eat multiple times a week, think 4+ times.

I'm selling my BMW and miata and moving to drive a new Toyota hybrid. My wife is also selling her BMW for a crv or rav4. We're also trying to learn how to cook so we eat out less. Eventual goal is to eat out once a week and to cut our car insurance bill in half.

In the process of moving closer to family so every week we can have a home cooked family dinner once a week too.

There is a couple of 9+ girls that'd be very willing to spend $500 a month on for an hour if they agree to what I like.

Regularly spending large amounts of money on P4P women is in my opinion not a good idea.

Need to find some other kind of long term solution.

For me and my people, that will be the organization.

SJG

^^there’s a large majority of men who don’t want to find another kind of solution. Tye current system has been in entered and maintained over several millennia, so what makes you think you can create a better solution, or what is so rong with how the majority of men are currently having fun? Seems like you believe your delusions are for real.

Bitcoin how expensive are the places you eat out?
You don’t like acura, infiniti or lexus? I hesrd theyre luxury but cheaper maintenance costs.

SJG especially for older and wealthier men that may not be a long term solution.
Also it is extremely hard to date and sleep with famous pornstars or ig models. Even the rich sports players apparently P4P with them, you would think they wouldn’t need to pay. I doubt you could date a famous woman unless you somehow know her personally or are also famous or pay

Well I think the current system is a double standard, so it is unfair to women. It is also based on dividing women into two categories.

It also benefits some men, but not others.

My Org will benefit all those who are with us. And it works on the basis of a higher level of consciousness and self awareness.

SJG

How would we join the org? What kind of consciousness

Its invitation only, and you can't apply.

Just a small handful of local people now, but we will be across the US and in many countries.

SJG

I set this up as a lifeboat forum, to keep the TUSCL community together in case anything ever happens.

Just join this and make a few posts and we can talk about the organization and you can see if it could be anything for you.

https://testosteronelifeboat.freeforums.…

SJG

Thanks, i will try to sign up soon

okay.

SJG

"Well I think the current system is a double standard, so it is unfair to women. It is also based on dividing women into two categories.

It also benefits some men, but not others."

This is why I don't have anyone on ignore, because lo and behold you've said something intriguing. If you start a thread explaining why you think this way I won't hide it and might even participate.

wallanon we can talk about it right here.

Patriarchy is based on the ownership of women, and to do this it subdues them by dividing them into two categories. This divide still exists today. It is cruel and very restrictive and men are greatly harmed by it, as well are women.

SJG

Sjg the p4p is also done by rich women these days. Look at kim k, britney spears, demi moore, how much older and richer they were/are than their partners. There are male strippers, bachelorette parties etc.

I do like lexus, but I figure its time for us to do our time for all of our frivolous spending. Toyota is very good anyways.

I spent about $6,000 in 39 trips in 2019.

I don't think it's worth spending more than $400 on a high end girl. The trick is finding a girl you really like and spending less than that on her (but ultimately more because you keep seeing her again and again).

Yeah the rich women is kind of new, at least for that to be out in the open.

I guess I missed my calling, to old to be servicing them now.

But for yourself, I still think regular long term P4P is not a good solution.

SJG

Liwet what about pornstars the famius ones

Youve never spent more than $400 on a girl in the club either?

Liwet that’s pretty cheap, $150 per visit...

Sjg the quality of women attained through p4p is higher.

Even the nba and nfl players apparently pay for these women. Theyre famous but still pay

For you to not p4p yet get these same women, you would need to be pretty good looking, or have some kind of lower level fame like being popular around college campus. Or some other combo of the right amount of looks, fame, money, etc

If youre using apps like tinder, bumble etc and some famous ig model is on there, you may not even match with her!

The better looking the woman, the better she can get, and the more money she can get. This ultimately makes it hard to not p4p at some point.

Need to find women you can have some kind of a relationship with. But that also depends on what else is going on in your own life.

SJG

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LInxU2dW…

Im not sure what i would do with a relationship. Or the point of it

Well this life benefits with people who are your personal relationships, you allies in life's challenges.

SJG

Sometimes I get with known xxx stars and it costs a lot more than a thousand. About 10 years ago, I met Lacey Duvalle and it was about a hundred dollars per minute. I lasted about 45 minutes, but she gave me a discount and for an even four grand I was quite satisfied.

With the prices you guys are talking about with Porn Stars, I'm glad I got that off of my bucket list a long time ago.

I have been with 2 porn stars in the past right about the time they were just getting started in porn. One was a relatively minor Porn Star that probably only did a couple of dozen scenes. I met her as an escort and after a few times at $300 per hour she said she wanted to get together more and that she would charge $100. She would call me randomly and ask if I wanted to hook up. She was just a horny young 21 year old girl. I looked her up and she is now a doctor practicing Psychiatry.

The other I met as an escort as well and saw her half a dozen times. She did hundreds of scenes. She was nice and I did a duo with her and a friend at only a little more than her regular rate. She would get bored while touring and I hung out with her a couple of times in the evenenings when she finished all her appointments.

These days, a ton of girls have done sex scenes you can find online so the meaning of "Porn Star" is a little different.

The sex was good but not that much better that I would pay $1000 per hour for. The last couple of OTC's I did were $300 and as stated by others, it's not an hourly thing with clock watching. Sometimes it includes dinner and drinks but not always.

Penguin that’s crazy expensive. How hot is she.

Most pornstars are charging from $700 to $1500 an hour. Lauren phillips, cali carter, miss raquel and many others have been on eros charging $1200 or more.

A few of them charge insane prices like i think nikki benz and kiara mia. Its ridiculous. I doubt they make as much money having prices that high, but they are more exclusive and see less clients.

Someone mentioned they saw nikita rezikova recently for $700 or $800

The 4k price is something I would maybe do for the absolute hottest favorite woman ive seen. If it’s 1k, i might do that like once a month.

Mike that is crazy. Does she still have porn scenes available online? Can you dm me her porn scenes?

How old were you when she was 21. That’s interesting she lowered the rate for you.

Mike, sounds like you’re living that dan bilzerian lifestyle! These pornstars giving you big discounts

^ one thing y’all need to realize there’s a big difference between asking price and the selling price, I don’t believe that these women are actually getting the asking price on a regular basis.

Last month, it was $213,011, but the month before that was more. This month is tracking to be a little more as well.

So far this year, adjusted for inflation, I’d say I blew roughly $125,000. I was very shocked to learn that many of these porn stars still take checks! I’m still waiting for the last $124,000 to clear.

Continuous straight P4P, even ignoring the cost, it is not a good deal.

SJG

Twentyfive the OTC dancers i am sure start off high initially
The pornstars and ig models i am not sure, they seem to block you or not negotiate prices at all. And there seem to be a lot of people paying those high prices, and an entire pornstarescort subreddit. The thing is those women have millions of IG followers, and even people who pay their travel expenses to fly them to another city to meet them. The typical dancer doesnt have a national following, and if they do they may be able to also get the pornstar treatment

In most cases the $500 escorts look better than the pricier ones

"Liwet what about pornstars the famius ones"

Never got into porn stars, the timing just wasn't right. Pamela Anderson was my go to when I was in my teens.

"Youve never spent more than $400 on a girl in the club either?"

In my early days, I went to Ecstasy Theater in Santa Ana, California where lap dances were $50 each. I made $5.45/hour at my job so I could only go about once every 9 months. One of the girls I saw I paid $450 to for 9 dances and tipped her $50, so $500 total. I didn't know it was an extras club; I just thought the reason they were down to fuck by the third song was because I smelled so good (but Axe discontinued that shower gel).

These prices eventually got me into the escorting scene because if I'm going to pay that much, why not get an hour with the girl rather than 27 minutes? If you look up on the waybackmachine or other archival sites, go to sexyjordan.net which belonged to a girl I paid $700 to for an hour. She was hot but I didn't take full advantage of the situation I was in. You might be able to find her reviews on TER as well.

"Liwet that’s pretty cheap, $150 per visit..."

That's the average. I saw and talked to and negotiated with a lot of dancers to get a general market rate on what's offered in Vegas clubs and it just so happens to be affordable. Most girls you can get for $40 or $60 on the floor and I generally liked to spend on at least 3 girls before ending each visit.