How hot are they, is there a pornstar or celebrity they look similar to or how do they look. What rates are you paying
Many hot women are on sites like eros and tryst, rates as low as $300 hour up to $1200+ for the low volume escorts, famous pornstars, etc
I havent yet seen any strippers as hot as some of these eros women
How hot? 11s-12s, so hot they singe the hair on your body when in your proximity, hot like a B52 arc light strike! What rates? I might at times buy them some Burger King but they were more happy to get my Whopper!
Max Starr thats a lot of money well spent!
What do you mean girls at the end of the night? You mean girls remaining at the club at the end of the night, will take otc offers?
Very. I am many years removed from settling for anything lower than a 7 and most are closer to 8 or higher. I'd rather go home empty handed than end up in a bed with a girl who I do not find to be very sexy. I also have no interest in any girl who is serving 5+ penises a night in the VIP area.
In terms of what I pay I'm going to avoid getting too specific since I'm starting to sense that a few club denizens are starting to attach me to my posts, but let's just say that someone would need to work 25-30 hours at a local retail job to earn what I pay for a modest effort in a hotel room. I could definitely find cheaper around these parts, but I'm willing to pay the freight for what I want.
Rick whats the problem with a girl serving penises in the vip area do you mean like doing extras, fs, bjs in vip?
If shes going home with you isnt she possibly servicing other cocks too
Rick thats not a bad price. Half an hour VIP is $400 at many places... that 25-30 hour rate seems extremely exciting and like an extremely good deal.
I think i have been getting ripped off paying too much for vip.
Have you ever tried the famous pornstars or paid a 100 hour retail rate for one of the otc strippers. Are your otc girls hotter than the famous pornstars and eros escorts
@max_starr
Pics and Vids of the 2 girls that became 3 girls at the end of your comment, or it didn’t happen.
Maybe you are drinking tequila and posting, and seeing double and triple or just imagining things.
Alcohol hallucinosis, alcohol-induced psychosis, is a severe but rare symptom of alcohol use disorder. Its effects are similar to that of schizophrenia, where the affected person will experience hallucinations, paranoia, fear, etc etc etc.
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===> "If shes going home with you isnt she possibly servicing other cocks too"
Maybe, but if she's going OTC with me right after working a shift at her low mileage club I know that: (1) she's certainly not servicing as many as the girl working at the UHM club; and (2) she didn't just service a strong of them right before me.
^ That was supposed to be a "string" of them.
Select your women from a f2f first meeting, like at a strip club, not from online and pictures.
SJG
Shirley Manson youtube.com
===> "Half an hour VIP is $400 at many places... that 25-30 hour rate seems extremely exciting and like an extremely good deal."
OK I'll bite on this one too.
Unless expensive VIP rooms are easy to sell, there is no correlation between what a girl charges OTC and where the club prices a timed private room. The critical factor is how much the girl is actually making in a given night. If the room is so pricey that she's lucky to sell one a week, then it's not factoring heavily into her financial situation.
In order to figure things out, you need to spend some time in the club and keep your eyes open. How often is the VIP room occupied? How many LDs does your favorite seem to be selling? How is the stage tipping? On any given night it's not terribly difficult to determine how her (and any other prospect's) night is going if you just pay attention.
If it seems that she's selling rooms and LDs, then the odds are good that she'll be unlikely to do OTC at anything approaching a reasonable price - if at all. If she's not making her nut, the odds on any given night improve.
You're welcome Padawan. But please don't take this as an invitation to start bullet texting me again.
@BigThirdEye
I will play along and comment on your discussion.
Q: How hot are your OTC women and what rates are you paying A: I only do OTC with dimes, and I don't mean like coins, I mean girls that are super model quality; Hollywood/movie star/starlet quality, and too beautiful/pretty for porn Pornstar/Pornstarlets quality, etc etc etc.
After all we are in Los Angeles near Beverly Hills, Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley, the Porn Capital of the World. And just a couple of hours north of the Happiest Place on Earth (according to Krusty) TJ tuscl.net
Q: What rates are you paying A: In my limited experience and humble opinion, the range for dimes/good high end escorts in LA is from $400 to $1000. So I have done OTC with dimes/Strippers for les than the average of those limits.
I believe one of the reasons I have been “lucky” with some strippers, is because I try dealings with nice girls. Girls that my gut feeling/instinct tells me they are going to be OK with the relationship and don’t have too many issues/problems.
What has worked for me, for good OTC, is to build a trusting relationship with a girl, make sure she knows I am a respectful reliable gentleman, safe, clean, discreet, and fun, funny. (Think Edward (Richard Gere) from the movie Pretty Woman).
My All Time Favorite Stripper, Ally, started dancing when I was going to see a Current Favorite Ariel.
Ally was just over 20 years, sweet, beautiful and shy. She became friendly and would seat with me while I was waiting for Ariel, would let me know if Ariel was not there, would tell the waitresses to let Ariel know I have arrived.
Once Ally was tired and fell asleep on my shoulder and thanked me for letting her sleep and rest.
One time when Ariel didn’t show up I asked Ally to go with me to the 15 minute VIP, she was so sweet and excited.
We had to wait for a “room” and she sat in my lap and we made out like teenagers. Once in the VIP we went as close as humanly possible to Full Service but didn’t do FS.
After the VIP I asked Ally if she would be interested in OTC (“would you be interested in meeting outside the club, we can have a better, more comfortable experience, and you don’t have to share money with the club?”) and gave her my number, but she said she didn’t do that.
I keep going to visit Ariel and she didn’t show up another time and I took Ally to the VIP again, and again we were so close to FS, but we didn’t have FS, however she was so nice, excited, shy and cute about it..
I was still visiting Ariel, on the weekends, when Ally texted me on the middle of the week to ask me if I was still interested on OTC with her, I answer of course I am.
We made an appointment, I went to pick her up near her place and we went to a small hotel and had a very nice GFE type of experience. Ally was a sweet and nice Baby Stripper.
Ally and I developed a Sugar Baby type of relationship we had OTC almost every week for more than two years.
I would pick her up on Sunday afternoon, get a nice hotel room and make love, massage each other, have room service, sometimes we would go to dinner to a nice fancy place. She would refer to me as her fiancé to other people, her sister told me.
I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Leia from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy miss Santa, naughty school girl.
Like I said Ally was a baby stripper when we meet, very sweet and nice, the sex got better and better because she was more comfortable and felt safe relaxed and was able to let herself go and enjoy it, I enjoyed it too, she would experience multiple orgasms and was very shy and sweet about it.
Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on my chest like the little angel she was.
She texted me one last time letting me know she was moving on and thanking me for the relationship...
She was worth every penny and every second I spent with her.
Thank you for making me remember that OTC relationship.
With respect to escorts what worked for me was selecting a high end escort; for example a twenty something girl from Russia in Beverly Hills.
I wrote an article about that experience:
“How I found my All Time Favorite woman.” tuscl.net
I talk to lots of dancers during the daytime at a local club I frequent. Pre Pandemic, many started at 250 or 300, but came down to 200 fairly easily. Now, it seems that they all think that they are worth 500. As another Tuscl'r points out to me frequently, these are NOt $500 women. '
I have resisted temptation so far, and I do have one favorite who still offers 200. I also have one or two who say that for an evening out they will go for free, but I just feel like there will be a sugar baby upsell on these.
RTP i guess there is some inflation involved. The thing is strippers its easier to develop trust, you can meet up safely in the club, get dances etc before doing otc. With an escort you cant get to know them unless you arrange a dinner date where you’ll have to pay a lot for it. You could be robbed or scammed
How much are you spending per month
CJ kent your story sounds very interesting and exciting. What was the age difference with you and the baby stripper.
RTP how hot are these dancers available for 200. Thats a very good price. Escorts at that level usually aren’t so good unless its 30 minutes for $200. With strippers there is more trust with the itc meetings, and that trust allows them to charge that lower price. Escorts at the $200 level seem to have pimps/handlers, and don’t require much verification before meeting.
Mr Dugan, thats good advice. It seems there are sometimes crazy nights on fridays and Saturdays where a dancer may pull in $1000 in 3 hours or so, from stage tips and selling dances. Friday/saturday nights are more valuable since i think the strip clubs have much more traffic. Yet for a daytime or weekday otc visit, the otc rate is only worth whatever she can sell an hour of otc for...
Mr Dugan, have you ever been with a famous pornstar or instagram model? Rates are high as you’re payig for their fame and maybe skill, but in some cases it may be worth it. How do your otc women compare to the eros escorts or famous pornstars? Once you get to the $400+ per hour range there are some seriously hot women on eros. In many cases the $1000+ ones aren’t hotter than the $400 ones just more famous
@BigThirdEye
To answer your question
Richard Gere and Julia Roberts are 18 years apart in real life. They were 40 and 22 years old at the time of filming Pretty Woman.
My ATF Ally was in her early twenties and I was in my late forties, during our OTC meetings.
When the creator of Playboy, Hugh Hefner was 42-year-old he asked an 18-year-old Playmate on a date, she replied that she had 'never dated anyone over 24'. 'That's all right,' the publishing mogul told his soon-to-be girlfriend Barbi Benton. 'Neither have I.'
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Cjkent
Do you think the relationship was money based? How did you look in your 40s at the time? You mentioned she was a baby stripper, and shy and sweet. Was she also a virgin? What made her end the relationship with you
Nothing with women is ever totally money based.
SJG
Sjg but there’s apparently 80 year old men sleeping with 20 year old dancers. Isn’t that mostly money based
Not necessarily. The women have emotional needs besides money.
SJG
I've had A list actresses (mainstream ones, not those used up porn stars) and international super models begging me to fuck them. I don't pay them, they pay me.
@BigThirdEye
I will play along and answer your questions.
Q: Do you think the relationship was money based? A: In our country/society/culture Money is the pivot around which our entire world revolves. Money plays the main role in maximising the wants and desires of men and women.
Remember
“In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.”
~ Cuban refugee Tony Montana (Al Pacino) in the movie Scarface.
Q: How did you look in your 40s at the time? A: I always been told I look the part of a distinguished gentleman, a professional an important, dignified, classy person. I wear clothes tailored for a perfect fit. I get plenty of rest, eat right, drink water, don’t smoke, don’t drink, I am 100% Drug and Disease Free(DDF), and try to get some exercise most days.
Q: You mentioned she was a baby stripper, and shy and sweet. Was she also a virgin? A: Of course she was not. She probably learned reading Cosmopolitan magazine how to use her vaginal muscles to squeeze and stimulate the penis during intercourse. LOL, She used to do it “involuntary” and be really embarrassed when I would ask her to do it again, and she said she couldn’t, and be so sweet and cute about it.
Q: What made her end the relationship with you? A: She moved to be close to her family, she knew I was not going to become the fiancé she wanted and needed.
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I don't take pics nor need them to prove anything. If you're decent looking, come with me next time I'm in Miami and you can watch.
I'm just curious, who thinks I'm telling the truth and who thinks I'm Bs'ing...I want to hear from dancers specifically.
Max what do you mean by decent looking and why is that a requirement to watch?
I just feel like dancers prefer someone who is at least somewhat good looking and physically fit vs someone who is not, but you are right it is not a requirement.
I'm not worried about people wanting proof either. I enjoyed myself immensely and my mind was blown so I really have no complaints.
I have married hot x stripper been seeing her sometime - 1st time itc in vip then combo otc/itc meet 4fuk. No longer dances, my SB for quite sometime. Would be classified as a hot wife imo but he does not know. She does lap dances, modeling for photos, loves to fuk. Very easy going she is keeper girl for sure. Happy ending every time, no drama, no ROB BS, just good fun. Pop been avg 140-150. Sometimes she will call offering it at 100 saying she’s really horny. Do her covered. She rides me like a champ, very intense enjoyment w her (she thrilled to meet) and when cum it’s like I just explode. Sometimes do her doggy she loves that too. I am not doing any others - like keeping it simple w just one girl. When she pg couple y ago got fuk here bareback up to 3rd trimester.
Everything I have done with strippers / women off SD sites for Pay for Play, per Meet (PPM). If multiple sessions it becomes a SD relationship.
Kind of like running a spread offense - we just throw the ball (make offer) then hit one for a score.
B4 meeting her got itc FCS 100-300. Some favs - Hispanic hw $140, hot Cuban blonde girl from Miami $200, her best friend also 20 yo blonde $150, a stripper Div single mom of 4 (by 3 different guys) $150 otc. 2 other gals friends of hers about 28 $150. One of them she brought to session for 3 some. The other gal, friends room mate stole my number from my phone then called me. She offered it to me 2x week at 150 1st time /$100 2nd time 4 week. Bonus Girls are stripper girlfriends you end up fuking. At that time rotating those 3 (mult WR). One really good fuk was a hw off SA at $140 I had for awhile. Another an x hs cheerleader Cali girl 25 at $200 itc / otc.
If y u have pocket w strippers,SD site gals it can be a fuk fest. If u don’t your not shit lol.
Lol
I would always have a rule - go into the club w some pocket - abt $500.
Player i have been going into the club with $1000 usually
I dont know if this is a lot or not... this stuff is all relative. Some people probably take several thousand to the club with them.
But i think ive been wasting my time. Im not really into clubs or even sex all that much. I dont want to engage in anal sex due to bacterial concerns. My biggest enjoyment is anal plugs and dildos.
Player, you are getting some really cheap prices with those strippers. Those rates are very good. $150 for otc is very cheap. Player i dont really understand some of those acronyms and abbreviations you’re using. But it sounds like youre living that dan bilzerian lifestyle!
Doing straight pay for play, and with an unknown new girl, or a regular basis, is not a good strategy.
SJG
P4P can't be your regular mode for satisfying sexual needs.
SJG
Why not sir
Well it's just too shallow. And besides, for most people it is way to expensive.
Strippers give you that thrill that they can deliver though the stripper regalia of the hair, the high heels, and the makeup. But that is not all life is.
SJG
I would only like to p4p once a month
Maybe $500 a month on an escort or otc And $300 a month on a new or same strip club.
Once in a while, if someones really worth it, pay $1000 for a famous pornstar or ig model escort
I have found I can get movie star quality for $1000 an hour. Can I get away with 500, absolutely. I can even get some super hot girls at the end of the night to take 300 for 1 hour FS...But If I can afford it, I love to pay them well because they will blow your fucking mind. After meeting some girls at Dean's Gold, which is absolutely amazing by the way, I had a pair come meet me at my hotel in South beach and spend about 4 hours with me and I threw them 3,000 for the both of them. The first girl is a dancer and the second girl was a former dancer but she said she had quit because she didn't like it.
Looks wise these girls were perfection. Legs, Ass, tits, face, soft skin, abs....A boy scout's dream. Well dressed, jewelry, classy. They came on their own to my hotel and brought top shelf tequila and a little something else. There was no rush whatsoever. I gave them both oral several times each and fucked them several times...In fact I'm known well known for my oral skills and I make sure they get theirs. But we also hung out drinking, listening to music, dancing, and just conversating... Their enthusiasm was truly amazing, but I am a nice guy too.. So in summary, porn star sex, anything is on the table, total enthusiasm, that 1000 seems to really make me a celerity.
The manager a Dean's treated me like royalty too...Amazing place with a lot of good choices.
First girl I met looks like Camila Cabello a lot only taller, bigger boobs, long black hair and blue eyes. The second girl looked a lot like Ana Beatriz Barros, equally as hot I would say. And the third girl like Cameron Diaz only hotter...She had the tightest pussy too such a tiny little hole that was just so snug.
Anyway, happy playing my friends.