Is it important to maybe have ROB in your life maybe every once in a blue moon?

Glad you had the common sense to get up when you did.

I've had no problems so far because I have only gone to clubs that I am well acquainted with. Whenever a girl that I don't know asks me to buy her a drink, I ask her upfront what her drink costs. $10 has been my limit so far.

I had a girl order tequila when I paid it was 15, I’m like wtf it was casamigos should have came with Clooney autograph. She said she didn’t know and I got my 15 of frustration out in vip with her

Yeah, I do like Shadowcat. If I’m in a new club I always ask how much the girls drink is first. A lot of clubs have the “dancer drink” hustle. Doesn’t mean I won’t buy her a drink necessarily. Just want to know what I’m getting into.

If a dancer drink costs more than the same drink when ordered by a male customer, then that dancer becomes a B girl. That is a crime in many places. I lost an ATF when her club was raided and shut down for B girls.

LOL. When I finished reading that opening post I assumed that most of the responses would focus on her request to tip upfront to touch. It's funny to see that everyone thus far has fixated on the cost of the drink instead. 😌

I don't really mind the dancer drink hustle so much as it encourages girls to sit down and talk for a while, which is vital for building rapport and getting to know the lay of the land. I've had a lot of fun over the years with girls working at clubs that sell "dancer drinks." But it's one strike against a girl if she doesn't give me a heads up about it.

As far as the pay to touch thing, I would have stood up and walked out too, though I would probably have been chuckling as I did so. It certainly would have been a "pain in my heart" moment, lol, but rather one of amusement at an all-too-obvious hamfisted hustle likely being run by a baby stripper.

As you know but may have temporarily forgotten, you always have to factor some dead money into your strip club ROI calculations. Clubs, outside of a handful of areas and/or isolated special places, are hardly the most efficient way to chase tail.

IMHO the biggest lesson you could "re-teach" yourself is not to walk into every single club visit feeling so much pressure to achieve a certain outcome. This is the second thread in recent memory where you posted about feeling that pressure and all it will lead to is bad decision-making and anger when things don't go as well as you hope.

Instead perhaps remember the other things you enjoy about clubs and apply a limit as to how much you're willing to spend on a dry night. It also doesn't hurt to have a few semi-reliable numbers in your contact list for times when the clubs are particularly bad, which around here seems to be a cyclical event.

My version of a ROB has always been a subpar experience. I've been in the game enough to know where my guaranteed wins are. When I used to have A+ experiences for 4 weeks in a row, Id get the itch to roll the dice somewhere new. Many times I left disappointed and would go back to my guaranteed wins. However, there were a few times I found a diamond in the rough to add to my cycle

This is a good reminder. It is more prone to happen in a club where you are new, and aren’t aware of the dancers.

It’s one of those poor attempts to make $20 and not offer any benefit. It may work for a certain percentage of customers, but they won’t be back for more.

You felt robbed because a dancer wouldn't let you fondle her for free?? Her job is to dance....youre the one who tried ripping her off.

And whining over buying a $20 drink....that you chose to buy.

Its easy to get screwed by the ROB. On Saturday while I was purchasing 2 Coors light i offered a drink to a dancer i had done dances with and the dancer i was going with. They both accepted so I got one as well. 3 shots and two Coors light and the bartender demanded the outrageous sum of $17.00. I always get screwed......

It’s painful hearing skibum609’s story! Omg! That must sting! Lol!

Is this the definition of ROB. I assumed you had to be actually robbed. Like a dancer saying she will do something and not doing it. However your dancer and you didn’t talk before hand.

I agree with Bharlem. This was just normal hustling, not ROBbing.

Muddy was the rob. He tried getting more for free and threw a fit and left when he couldnt

Sorry, I read the whole story, and as others say she's just doing regular hustling. I get the frustration over drink prices, but in some clubs girls have to hustle drinks and if she doesn't then she may have to pay the club extra money or be fired or w/e.

The frustration over her not wanting to be touched also falls on deaf ears here. Hey she isn't your cup of tea, that's fine I guess in the future just weed them out better.

Imo a rob is more like "hey I'll do fjsjsfk in the back just give me $xxx" then gets her money takes u back and doesnt do it haha. Or a girl literally grabbing your money from you. Granted I have done that before when customers tried to scam me or do stupid shit like grab at me out of nowhere and I'm not having none of it.

I've run across a number of strippers over the years who charge extra for breast touching. They've all had short careers because that is considered part of a normal lap dance in local clubs. A girl who wants to charge more for what every other stripper is willing to include as part of the basic lap dance is at a competitive disadvantage. Many of the girls I've seen trying to squeeze extra money out of customers could have had long successful careers if they hadn't done that.

Hey that’s fine don’t get too hung up on the ROB I could replace with it just get soft to the hustle then if that’s what you would say. It’s more about me then her let’s put it that way.

Yes it’s tough to always avoid rob’s. Everyone should know that dancers who ask for special tip or extras payment in advance is 75+% likely to be a rob or a dud, yet we all get sucked in every now and then, kind of the “what if” seeping into our minds. If you want the best ROI, it is.best to cut your potential losses and walk away on the first red flag. Most of the time the risk is rewarded is when there isn’t risk: the dancer is clearly popular, and even better if they have a good reviews or references.

What happened was he picked the hottest and she knew she was the hottest so muddy got taxed that hottest tax…, ya know economy 101. She was high in demand because there wasn’t many that looked like her or none

Side note I’m thinking about charging to touch my boobs. The guys at my place is getting to aggressive. I’m ok with some touching but I feel many are going to extreme and it’s time that I tax for that. Hey I tried to be the nice girl n let y’all do it included with the dance but some y’all 😪

A girl should get her money in advance. She has a bigger chance of being scammed by a customer ghan you do by her. It's dumb of her to let a guy pay after.

Also. If you're so paranoid of being scammed by hoes don't hire them. A lot if you like Muddy come across as complete misogynists

Snd a girl should charge for anything more than an air dance. Coz all that is extra. She doesn't know her worth if she's not doing yhe minimum for the most $

Agreed with Bharlem.

These days I do get my money in advance almost always because so many customers are pieces of shit.

Guys can go cry more tears for me to feed off of that they can't do this or that or for being hustled. No offense you willingly enter a strip club then pretend to be offended you got hustled. You know the game, quit with your bs.

I like hearing BHarlem and Blah’s perspective on this topic. They provide important insight regarding a dancers view.

I get it - as a guy can get grabby - when a great set of tits are in front of his face - or when a great ass is within reach. You add a few drinks to the situation, and after the dance there’s possibly no tip for the added mileage.

The challenge on both sides is - a customer knowing he will get what he’s paid for - or a dancer knowing she will be compensated for what she’s giving. In a strip club, unless it’s a repeat customer, who respects the dancer’s boundaries, or a dancer who is trusted, it can be impossible to know.

I hate paying big prices for watered down drinks. I had one girl that always drank beer. I would buy her a can of beer and pay her $20 for drinking it. I always opened the beer for her so I knew half of it was not poured out.

Another time I had a girl sneak up behind me and snatch my shot of vodka. I offered to buy her a drink and she said she couldn’t because she was not 21. She did this 3 times so it had slowed down my drinking so I ordered a double. She came up behind me grabbed it and downed it. She took two steps back and said ’wow what was that?’ I told her and she said ‘what are you trying to do, get me drunk?’ I told her no she was doing a good job at that. lol

Cashman. You're saying you can't know how far you can get with manhandled a girl if you don't know her....nice attitude.

This site always makes me thankful for my strip club experiences

I didn’t mention manhandling a woman. I reread my comments, and I still don’t see it.

Then work on your language comprehension

"get it - as a guy can get grabby - when a great set of tits are in front of his face - or when a great ass is within reach. You add a few drinks to the situation, and after the dance there’s possibly no tip for the added mileage."

"The challenge on both sides is - a customer knowing he will get what he’s paid for - or a dancer knowing she will be compensated for what she’s giving."

Going to a club to manhandled and fondle girls is creepy af

My language comprehension is fine.

Manhandling a woman is akin to grabbing her and tossing her across a room. I never mentioned that in my comment.

Fondling was also not mentioned, as there was no reference to caressing a dancer in a loving manner.

I admit to being a filthy pervert, but your characterization of my comments is simply incorrect.

No your language comprehension needs work. It's clear what you said.

Yeah; it’s easy to get complaisant and get nailed (in the bad way); especially in a club new to us or a club w/ lots of dancers and a fair-amount of dancer-turn-over – ROBs are part of the game and one never knows when they will run into-one – and you can actually also be literally robbed if you let your guard-down after a while and stop taking precautions w.r.t. keeping your $$$ save in the club and not easily accessible to a dancer; there are girls whose way of making $$$ is trying to pick PLs’ $tash when they are distracted.

I avoid paying upfront whenever I can – I’ve never been to a club w/ prepay dances and the only times I have to make a decision about paying upfront is if I do VIP – one you prepay, you pretty-much have zero-leverage w.r.t. a ROB (or a dud that just gives poor-dances) – thus I’d hate to be in an area where dances are prepaid b/c just as prepaying for VIP you are at the mercy of the dancer and she pretty-much has all the leverage b/c you’ve already prepaid and the avg custy thinks/feels he doesn’t wanna lose the prepaid-$$$ so he’ll often give-in to the dancer’s/ROB’s demands and the ROBs know this.

IMO what she was doing was ROBing not “hustling” – in a club where contact-lap-dances are allowed, it is assumed that is what you are paying for – she waited till @Muddy paid for the dance to then inform him “oh no I charge more for touching” – that is her right but the right-thing to do would be to state that upfront and let the custy know rather than hit him up w/ that after he has prepaid, that is nothing more than a ROB move – this is analogous to going to an extras-club, giving the dancer $500 for VIP expecting to receive what the club is known for in VIP, and then having her say “oh no if you want extras you gotta give me more $$$” – that is the old-bait-and-switch ROB move; that is not “husting” - "hustling" is a dancer convincing you to pay more b/c she's that good; not getting a custy to prepay then pop on him your request for more payment when he has little to no choice.

I also find the dancers getting kickbacks for drinks also a form of ROBing vs “hustling” – often times custies have no clue what is going on – I would not be surprised if the girls’ “drinks” are often anything more than “colored water” so they can maximize profit – the only two clubs I’ve been to that do this many of the girls try to milk-it by constantly asking PLs to buy them drinks – in the clubs I’ve been to w/ the drink-scam the girls will down the drinks in a hot-minute and ask for another one 5-minutes later and fleece unsuspecting PLs that are trying to be “gentlemanly” and “not turn down a girl for a drink”.

I’m ok with spending $$$ on a dancer if a PL wants her time whether that’s tipping her for her time or buying her drinks – I just don’t like being hit up for drinks in a similar manner to “wanna a dance” and being constantly asked for drinks b/c she’s making $$$ from it and I’m unaware of that – in the clubs I’ve been to w/ the drink-scam many of the girls milk-it like the girls that milk the tip-parade in tip-parade clubs. If I plan/want to talk w/ a girl for an extended period of time then I don’t mind if there’s some compensation involved; but I don’t like being in the position of having to buy a girl a drink for just talking to her for a 2 or 3 minutes to see if she’s a dance-candidate.

Some girls try to take advantage of a PL's generosity in order to get their drink-on on the custy's dime and ask for expensive drinks they (dancer) themselves would not buy nor spend their own $$$ on.

I recall one time at Baby Dolls Dallas in the 2000s - it was a dayshift visit no-less (one would assume cheaper drinks) - I was w/ a "hustler" that asked for a drink - being a "gentleman" I said sure - she proceeds to order herself a $25 mini-champagne bottle (I didn't know the price nor what she had ordered till it was delivered) - I was kinda pissed b/c she took advantage of the situation but that's the SC game for ya and w/ some experience we all learn the pros and cons of playing the SC game.

A custy is entitled to spend his $$$ how he wants whether that is buying overpriced dancer-drinks or w/e - I just don't like the deception many clubs and dancers use where the custy ends-up overpaying where he o/w would have not b/c he was deceived.

—>“I also find the dancers getting kickbacks for drinks also a form of ROBing vs “hustling” – often times custies have no clue what is going on”

I briefly worked at a club with drinks. The “kickback” was minimal—it was $2 subtracted off the house fee—ideally you’re supposed to have a $0 house fee and get quota met. The problem was that if you weren’t selling them, then the owner would have words to say to you.

Anyways, is going below a customer’s expectations in dances really that much of a ROB move? There’s probably quite a few Texans who believed that about me, but eeeeeehhhh

My original ATF 20 years ago kept a bottle in her locker in the dressing room. She told me "I won't pay these prices for drinks and I wouldn't expect you to buy me any either". My kinda girl. :)

"... is going below a customer’s expectations in dances really that much of a ROB move ..."

That can be a gray-area - I think it's a ROB move to get a custy to prepay then ask for more $$$ to do what is the norm in the club - analogous to dancers that wanna charge more than the house-price for dances but wait to the end to tell the custy "oh yeah dances are $20 but I charge $40".

Similar to a dancer in an extras-club getting a custy to pay extras-prices then telling him after she has the $$$ "oh btw I only do dances in VIP"; or worse yet get the PL to prepay for VIP then say "oh if you want extras then you gotta give me more $$$" when he has already given her the going-rate for extras in the club - there are a lot of dancers in clubs that have extras that will tell you upfront "yeah we can do VIP but I don't have sex in VIP"; which is the right thing to do in an extras-club especially when the PL is paying extras-prices.

I avoid the drink buying issues by deciding fast if I'm interested or not. Withing about 30 seconds of saying hello, I wanna dance them, or start dropping hints they need to find greener pastures.

Part of game they you will waste money on some dances that aren't worth it to you. You minimize that by finding favs and being good regulars to them.

Write a review and call out this dancer by stage name. TUSCL

I remember once at Follies. I was sitting in one of the high top stools and a dancer told me that dances were $20 there but only $10 at the low tables. I called her bull shit and she tried to claim that she was just kidding. She got no dances.

... sorry hit the send button

Write a review and call out this dancer by stage name. TUSCLers would be aware. Agree with others, not a ROB. Had she simply not allowed touching, you'd probably label her as poor value for money, but not ROB. Unless this club two way touching is norm.

Selling drinks isn't robbing. If a dancer sells her quota she doesn't have to pay a house fee for example. Waitresses have sales quotas too.

Offering to buy a drink then complaining about the price is on you. As is you not liking her dances

And being asked to pay extra for sex isn't being robbed

I cant wrap my mind around this one. You all get mad if a hot non extras girl winds up in an extras club and you assume you can get extras and buy dances then she doesnt do it so she scammed you? Dances are not supposed to have extras in the first place. And you guys also get mad that extras girls want to charge extra on top of regular dance or room/champagne fees to do extra?

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So any stripper with a single working brain cell is a ROB? Get outta here with this bullshit.

I mean with this attitude why don't yall hit up some escorts instead?

"... Had she simply not allowed touching, you'd probably label her as poor value for money, but not ROB ... Unless this club two way touching is norm ..."

Per the OP, she wanted more $$$ for touching; so one would assume touching is allowed (not an air-dance-club); if touching is allowed in a club then that is usually the norm - the fact she waited till he paid for the dances upfront to tell him it'd de extra to touch is what makes her a ROB - if she wants to charge more than the going-rate she should state that upfront.

Meh he paid for dances not groping 😂

"... You all get mad if a hot non extras girl winds up in an extras club and you assume you can get extras and buy dances then she doesnt do it so she scammed you ..."

I can only speak for myself - I totally accept a girl that doesn't do extras - I have zero problems with a girl telling me upfront she doesn't do extras - what I'm personally not ok w/ is a girl in an extras-club taking extras-$$$ in the hundreds of dollars and then not telling the custy she doesn't do extras once she has his $$$.

Dancers in an extras club damn well know why a guy would pay hundreds for VIP - why pay $500 for VIP when you're goona get the same damn thing as regular dances - everyone on-here damn well knows that that inexperienced custies get taken for VIP all the damn time and why dancers use bullshit terms like "it'll be fun" in order to lead-on the custy. One can argue that it's up to the custy to state upfront what he wants; but to say that dancers in an extras-club don't assume a guy that is giving them $500 does not want extras in an extras-club is some fake-ass-shit.

$40 to find out you don’t want to do more dances really isn’t that bad. Sometimes you call it 1-and-done for bullshit upgrade fees like Muddy bumped into, and sometimes it’s more qualitative: lousy grind etc. Worst case scenario you had a hot girl in your lap grinding around for one song. I see this as a cost of doing business.

I always “buy the lady a drink” if I’m going to get dances. In seattle at least, dancers have to sell a certain number per night, and you’re defraying that cost. This (often) pays off in good-will in the LDA.

Expecting a dancer to tell you she only dances and doesn't fuck in vip is ridiculous. You should have the expectation that she only dances coz that's her job.

You're paying for private dances in a vip area. You're not entitled to fuck coz it's expensive.

Girls who aren't hookers aren't scamming or n robbing you.

How is paying for groping a bs upgrade fee??? She's not obligated to get groped

And batching about buying her a drink just reflects on the vibe you send out in the club.

Look I wouldn't get too wrapped up in certain stuff. ROB, Air Dance girl, Tomayto, Tomahto all USELESS to me. I have nothing against the girl, she was a dud. It was it is. She making her money, doing her hustle. She plays for one team, I play for the other. The thread isn't as much about her as it is about me getting too damn lax and not paying attention to the little things, thinking every girl is going to give me an awesome experience just because. I'm not hating the player, I ain't even hating the game.

Look Mike Trout is gonna hit some bombs regardless, but Clayton Kershaw still got to throw some curveballs. I'm just mad I'm throwing lollipops right now is all.

She was doing her job. You're butt hurt she didn't let you fondle her. For free or wouldn't fuck for cheap. And your broke ass is bitching about buying a drink. You tried scamming her

^ your response on this thread make it clear you’re a female what sick fuck you are Iceefag

Well my god papi then you got a problem with any and all strippers who have any functional brain cells at all.

I just feel zero sympathy if a guy commits upfront assuming extras but not asking upfront do u do this or that? Just call it a lesson learned or a refresher and move on. I don't even get this salty when I lose money for not doing my due diligence. Jeez some of you guys are something else.

Anyways maybe extras customers don't always feel ripped off for not getting extras. Sometimes maybe that girl got something going for her the other bitches in the club don't either lookswise,moves, or conversation

@blahblah, Like Papi I don’t really care about getting so called extras, but I think a stripper should be honest and not behave in a way that insinuates something she has no intention of following thru, that said if a guy wants “extras” he has an obligation to be straightforward as well.

If a dancer is working in a full contact club and then tells you, after you commit to dances, that it is extra to touch, then I am sorry she is a cheat. If she says extras are extras, she is doing her job. Bait and switch is bullshit in every profession.

In extras clubs, some customers “assume” all dancers are extras dancers. In my view, in order to avoid frustration once you move to a private area, you discuss details upfront. If she does extras, you discuss the menu of offerings, and prices.

If you agree before heading back, and the prices change in the back, I would consider that a ROB behavior.

I know guys can be uncomfortable discussing extras with a dancer, but it’s better to deal with an uncomfortable discussion, than to get to the back room and discover things aren’t going to happen. Dancers deal with crazy offers all day, so asking politely about extras isn’t going to bother them.

I agree with others who have said that calling her a ROB is probably going a bit too far. I reserve that term for girls who do things like intentionally overcount dances or explicitly promise things that they don't deliver on.

All this girl did was try to earn a few bucks off of a drink and hustle a little more cash for the promise of extra contact. Now as I've said before, I would have walked out too as I don't believe in tipping upfront for something like that, but it doesn't earn her the ROB stamp in my book. It's a strip club, not an all-inclusive amusement park. She's free to offer herself however she chooses, even if she is doing something dumb that will likely cost her more than she ultimately makes from the upcharges.

She has no obligation to tell you if she's a hooker or to be a hooker just coz other girls are. Her job is to dance. You're mistaking an sc for a brothel. In which case you couldn't afford a legal one

^ By that logic, extras clubs are brothels. Except they are actually strip clubs, hence the debate.

It's more of a hustle than a ROB, but that's all semantics.

No, I don't feel like I need to encounter this in the club to keep me sharp, because I see enough of that outside of the club to keep me sharp. I almost always talk to the dancer ahead of time about what I can expect and what it's going to cost me. That's because I don't want to abandon a VIP or have an awkward encounter over crossed wires. It's drama, and drama isn't fun.

Once in a while, I'll go into VIP with a new-to-me dancer without having that conversation, either because I'm not in the mood or I feel like taking a gamble. If I get into the room and she's not what I'd hoped for, then that's on me. I didn't have the conversation. I'll usually let the basic dance happen, thank her politely, pay her, and then we part ways.

And, let's remember that the worst-case scenario here is that a super-hot girl is doing a sexy dance for you. In the wide world or worst-case scenarios, that's still pretty great.

Girls working at clubs where management takes a cut from hookers aren't obligated to be hookers. There's no debate. If you feel robbed coz a dancer isn't a hooker its on you.

There is clearly a debate, see the past 1000 posts on this thread. Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.

It's not a debate. It's tricks whining that a girl is robbing them if she doesn't fuck in vip or charges more than the club vip price. Tricks acting butt hurt over buying drinks. Etc.

And of course it's true that a dancer doesn't owe you shit and isn't obligated to be a hooker

Icey seems to lack reading comprehension recently.

I’m not sure why he is trying to stir the pot in discussions, but his arguments miss the point here. This isn’t whining, it’s a discussion regarding how to deal with certain aspects of clubbing and avoiding an up charge once you get in the back room.

I know he’s not looking to have a reasonable discussion based on his replies.

@icee: "It's not a debate."

I feel like at some point you got the idea that by saying "IT IS SO" that people would think that it was. However, as evidenced by the thread above, this is not the case.

Why don't you try something more along the lines of "I think such and such and that is because of points a b c d", and then see if your argument lands with anyone?

I'm not missing the point. I'm very well aware of the nonsense tricks are saying jn this thread.

Muddy is batching he spent money on a drunk and she wouldn't even let him grope her for the price of a dance. He felt robbed by her. As if buying a drink and paying for a dance entitled him to grope her. More chimed in stating dancers in clubs with prostitutes are obligated to fuck them for the price of vip or they're robbing them.

There is no debate that this is ludicrous ad borders on a rapist mentality. No one respects views like that.

She's not obligated to do anything but dance.

Drewcareypnw said "Why don't you try something more along the lines of 'I think such and such and that is because of points a b c d', and then see if your argument lands with anyone?"

Because debate isn't remotely why he's here.

Icey is a dancer. In any event, we all get taken once in awhile. Name any activity that you're 100% successful at doing. I got zero. Why would these be different.

What debate? That dancers are obligated to let you grope and fuck? That hookers shouldn't charge more than basic club fees? Only a cheap trick or misogynist would "debate" points like that

There are a lot of comments on this thread and i hope to get some clarity. I have not yet ever gotten a private dance in a back room.

From what im understanding, when you pay for a private dance, literally the only thing you’re guaranteed is that the dancer will dance in front of you? So them grinding on you like a lap dance, you getting to touch their ass or boobs is completely optional and just dependent on whether the girl allows it?

If that’s the case I don’t think a private dance is worth it. If you want to see them dance you can just see that on the stage, no need to get a private room just so you can privately watch her do the same dance on stage, that actually seems kind of creepy, like why do you want to see her dance privately in a room with just you in there?

I think lap dances, boob and ass grabbing for cash would all fall under prostitution technically so nobody can actually sell those things for money right? So its like escorting but you pay for a dance instead of pay for time... and anything that happens in that time or dance is done as a free favor by the escort/dancer?

So why does bob like siracha so much?

Papi hopefully you see this

Do you recommend using a credit card to pay for VIP dances, so you would be able to dispute the charges if you get scammed and just have to watch a private dance?

What are you guys defining as extras? Do you mean sex or is grabbing boobs, ass, licking nipples all considered extras? Are you guaranteed anything when you pay $400+ for a private VIP dance?

Nicespice, i actually don’t like it, i cant remember why I decided to put siracha in it!

I was not aware of this and hadn’t thought much about it but it seems you aren’t guaranteed anything for a VIP besides getting to visually see a private dance. Anything extra is apparently up to the individual dancer or server you’re with! Its basically like escorting. You can pay a fee for an amount of time but aren’t guaranteed anything besides having their time! Craziness, i dont know why anyone would pay just to see a dance privately, when you can see the same thing on stage for free!

"is grabbing boobs, ass, licking nipples all considered extras?" No.

"Are you guaranteed anything when you pay $400+ for a private VIP dance?" No.

“… Do you recommend using a credit card to pay for VIP dances, so you would be able to dispute the charges if you get scammed and just have to watch a private dance …”

Nah – handing over your CC to a club is not a good-idea – although not necessarily the norm, there have def been instances where clubs charge bogus charges on customers’ CCs sometimes into the thousands – also, there is often an additional fee many clubs tack-on when using a CC – it’s a bad idea that can def bite you in the ass and has for a certain # of custies – as a general rule, neither strip-clubs nor dancers are in the habit of giving refunds – once you hand your $$$ or CC over, kiss that $$$ goodbye no matter if the club or dancer follows thru (w/ rare exceptions) – strip-clubs and dancers are in the business of trying to get as much as they can out of you; that is just the business model.

If by “dispute the charges" you mean w/ the credit-card company – I guess that is a possibility in case you were charged for stuff you never asked for – e.g. let’s say you opened a tab then see a charge for a bottle of Crystal you never ordered or charges for VIP where you never went to VIP – but that would be a mess b/c at the end of the day it would be a he-said/she-said/club-said; and obviously you can’t tell the CC company “oh yeah she wouldn’t have sex w/ me and I want that VIP charge removed”.

At the end of the day as a custy you have very little leverage; one is on their turf and the club only cares about its $$$ and same goes for the dancers; for the most part they don’t give a fuck if you get ripped off as long as they got their $$$ - also often times one is dealing directly w/ the dancer and the club is not necessarily involved – the club is often not purview to what the custy agreed to nor are they often purview to what happened or didn't happen in VIP; it often just comes down to your word against hers and ROBs don’t give a f*** about anything else but getting their $$$ and ROBs will lie cheat and steal to get it.

The way most SCs are set up you as a custy are often at the mercy of the dancer – most dancers do follow thru but ROBs are def part of the game and if one SCs enough it’s not a matter of if but when you will be dealing w/ a ROB.

The only leverage you have as a custy is not paying upfront w.r.t. the dancer-fee – e.g. things like room-fee payable to the club almost-always have to paid upfront.

I don’t mind spending $$$ in clubs and often spend decently-well – so I don’t mind spending but have zero-tolerance for getting ripped off especially after it having happened to me earlier on in my SC-career – my M.O. is to be fair to dancers and not try to take advantage of them; I expect the same – I expect a dancer to earn her $$$ not ROB-it from me w/ lies, innuendos, and smoke-and-mirrors.

My M.O. w.r.t. VIP is to rarely ever pay the dancer-fee upfront – and I discuss this w/ her b/f agreeing to VIP; i.e. I tell them I don’t pay till the end – some dancers are understandably concerned that they will get ripped-off themselves and not be paid – the best I’ll do is show them I have the $$$ but reiterate to them I don’t pay till the end – and once I show them I have the $$$ I make sure to put-it-away in a safe place where they can’t get to it b/c some of these girls will pick your wad once they know where you have it and how much you have (it’s happened to me and others; not saying it’s common; but it’s best to always safeguard your wad in a club).

Experienced dancers know there are dancers that rip off custies and thus many understand a custy’s hesitancy about paying upfront (since it’s so easy for a ROB to then not follow thru once she has your $$$) – thus my M.O. w.r.t. VIP is not pay till the end – some dancers will agree pre-VIP to payment at the end, then get you to pay for the room-fee (often in the order of ~$100) – then once they get you to pay the room-fee and your inside VIP, they then want you to pay them upfront even though they had agreed pre-VIP to payment at the end; they figure the avg custy will not wanna lose the prepaid room-fee and will thus give in to their demands – there is also the dancer that will give you a “good VIP rate” upfront, you give it to her upfront, then once inside VIP they will then want to charge you to do anything more than a basic-dance – and why it’s also a good-idea to be direct and come to an agreement pre-VIP as to the services expected.

My M.O. is that if we get into VIP and she starts changing her terms from what we had agreed to, I just walk out and don’t pay her anything – I don’t sTay in VIP 10-minutes arguing w/ her b/c ROBs don’t give a f*** about anything more than getting your $$$ - if you stay in VIP 10-minutes arguing w/ her you then can’t claim you didn’t do anything – e.g. if she gets the manager and he sees you were in there 10 minutes he can use that as an excuse to say “well you were in there a good amount of time so you must’ve done something”.

In the case the ROB “gets the manager” one can’t say one is not paying b/c she wouldn’t have sex b/c a club can’t admit to that going-on – I say “we agreed to $X for VIP dances but once inside VIP she wanted $Y and why I walked out”.

Strip clubs are often filled w/ shitty people from dancers to staff to other custies – i.e. you can’t depend on anyone to have your back in a club b/c it’s a seedy business built on greed and lust and everyone is out for themselves – i.e. don’t expect a manager to take your side even if your right and even if he knows she’s ripping you off – if a ROB gets a manager I explain the situation as in the previous paragraph – if they ask me to pay her anyway or leave the club, I will always leave the club b/f paying a ROB.

This is not to say that every dancer that does VIP is trying to rip you off, just that it does happen and happens frequently enough – and some clubs are not as bad as others; etc.

It sucks to have to jump thru hoops to not get ripped-off; and many custies don’t like to have to jump thru these hoops b/c it takes away from the fun – some custies are ok w/ getting burned once in a while and take it as part of doing strip-club-business.

“… What are you guys defining as extras? Do you mean sex or is grabbing boobs, ass, licking nipples all considered extras? Are you guaranteed anything when you pay $400+ for a private VIP dance …”

I guess the extras-line can be different for different PLs.

If I’m in a club where 2-way-contact-dances are allowed, then that is what I expect when I pay for a dance (grind; and me being able to feel her boobs and ass) – I don’t expect titty-sucking nor FIV although in some of the more-raunchy clubs that can be common as part of the dance – I usually feel obliged to tip extra when a girl goes above what I consider a basic-2way-contact dance.

“Technically” speaking a dancer is not obliged to give you contact during a dance in a contact-club; so all you can do is limit your losses but making-it a one-and-done – but, this can obviously be problematic in clubs where one has to prepay for dances and it may not be uncommon for one to pay for more than one dance upfront to avoid having to go back to the attendant to pay for more dances – I’ve never been in a club where one has to prepay for dances so I don't have experience w/ that system.

w.r.t. extras – many will say if your dick is out then you’re in extras-territory – e.g. HJ, BJ, FS – although most hardcore extras-guys are usually not interested in just a HJ.

There are no guarantees in strip-clubs and why so many custies get ripped-off – as I previously posted, once you give your $$$ to a dancer you pretty-much lost the little leverage you had – the only thing you one can do is to dot the i’s and cross the t’s upfront b/f committing to VIP as I described above in the previous comment (i.e. agree on services expected, for how much, and let her know upfront you don’t pay till the end).

Bargaining with hookers is low....just pay what she asks and don't be a rob

To stay on topic though, it really seems like you guys feel like every girl who has any kind of hustle at all and doesnt wanna ho out is a ripoff?

Idk I just call that a stripper. It is supposed to be a tease.

I mean hell I think there is no tease in this biz anymore. It seems a lot of clubs girls will do stageside contact as much as possible to get money. Then dances are more than dances in a lot of cases.

There is actually some fun in the art of teasing and making someone want you and want to give you money without having to be molested or doing borderline prostitution.

If all you want is skdkfkfks services just please go hit up an escort and quit bitching about strippers being strippers

@bla: "it really seems like you guys feel like every girl who has any kind of hustle at all and doesnt wanna ho out is a ripoff"

No. I for one definitely don't feel this way. I do like extras (see my reviews), but don't hold it against a dancer who doesn't do them. There are times when I get a non extras dance that's just so good, or see a stage show that's just so good, I'm happy giving money to that dancer even though I'm not always getting what I really came for. I always think of it as the worst case scenario is a night where you had a pretty girl in your lap, which is a pretty good baseline.

I think PLs that seek extras are always going to be a little disappointed that they didn't get what empirical evidence shows them is typical in extras clubs. Even so, calling a dancer that manages to earn without doing extras a ripoff would be unreasonable.

It's like most of the guys here want hookers and to spend as little as possible. With many they don't even act like they actually enjoy the clubs. They just want a cheap hoe and leave. I've never heard a girl say anything positive about customers like that. Or about tricks. Only positive thing I've heard about regulars js they're guaranteed money on a slow shift

Yeah and then every time a guy leaves a legit review of having a good time and spending a lot and/or not getting extras everybody bitches him out on the review comments.

Blahblah needs to give up dancing and assume her rightful place as leader of the Crazy 88. youtube.com

I don't believe these guys have fun. Imagine life where the only contact with women or sex is having to go to strip clubs looking for the cheapest hookers they can find so they can cum or touch a naked girl.

“To stay on topic though, it really seems like you guys feel like every girl who has any kind of hustle at all and doesnt wanna ho out is a ripoff?”

Not at all. I have no problem with the hustle and tease. Just don’t flat out lie to me. If you imply something, I’m the type who will probably ask for clarification. If I don’t, then it’s on me for making the wrong assumption. If I do and you tell me you don’t do extras, that doesn’t mean I won’t do dances or a VIP. TBH, it does make it less likely if I’m in a club where I know extras are available from some non-skanky girls, but it’s not a deal breaker at all.

I can help you file a case to get your money back. There is a exotic dancer here too that can help, with her law degree.