Abortion has been banned

Sadly, I don’t think they will take your advice to move to a side that understands the case or the issue. I think they are completely sold out to the Democratic Party. The party will increase their inflammatory rhetoric in an attempt to avoid the truth - and stir the pot.

So, if a man should not comment on a woman's access to abortion if he has never been pregnant (yes, intentional wording per democrat logic), then should not only aborted persons have the right to comment and pass laws regarding abortions?

^ What if I identify as a woman while voicing an opinion on abortion, but identify as a man any other time?

Wtf are you talking about?

Republicans in Texas made a bill stating anyone at all can sue anyone who performs or aids in an abortion.

And it's unconstitutional

^ ICEE, why are you liking your own posts? Other than that you have no friends here.

Funny, the left loves legislation by judicial fiat when it legalizes abortion or gay marriage, but not when it cuts the other way...

Icee if you're so fucking stupid that you cannot understand a basic legal concept, don't comment. By the way asshole, you have no say in what is constitutional.

It's unconstitutional.... violates individuals constitutional rights and contradicts constitutional law. Ie abortion is legal.

Tetradon.... granting rights is good. Taking people's rights away isn't.

Constitutional? Yep. And I won’t argue about it. Just like the “Affordable” Care Act was constitutional and a conservative upheld the bill.

As a Texan, however, I am going to harp more about Texas tho…

Idk what’s up with Texas’s huge surge in laws related to anything about sex. A bunch of areas outside the large metros had their “sanctuary for the unborn”, have the 21+ requirement to waitress or strip, “porn shooting” is a felony…

If it was just abortion, I don’t really approve, but okay fine. But it’s just off the rails and out of touch with current Texas needs. But nope, just go ahead and neglect much more pressuring issues related to the health of Texas itself.

I’m just waiting for the return of the purity balls. Where fathers and daughters exchange rings, the father pledges to protect his daughters virginity until she is married, and they do a father daughter dance. 🤮 I lived through that time period and of all the things to try to revive ew ew ew.

I have more respect for DeSantis…even if I don’t quite agree with all his specific actions. But at least he is making his pet projects about current issues like what he feels is appropriate (or inappropriate) covid response measures. And a little bit on diversity inclusion instruction in schools…also in response to current events.

If Texas ends up flipping blue, it would have been the incumbent incompetence. And at this point I’d be all for it, because at least the democrats will legalize marijuana to make it easier to digest whatever nonsense they have.

Abortion is a constitutional right, and Texas has denied women this right. The enforcement mechanism of anyone being able to sue those who help a woman get an abortion is bizarre. If a liberal state passed a similar law allowing anyone to sue gun makers, the conservatives would be foaming at the mouth. (I would be too, because I support gun rights as well as abortion rights.)

"Tetradon.... granting rights is good. Taking people's rights away isn't."

I don't think you know the definition of the term.

A right is afforded everyone. Otherwise it's a privilege.

And Texas anti abortion laws are unconstitutional

^ Ok, point out the part of the Constitution. And the privacy argument is flimsy. You seem to deflect when asked that point.

Roe vs wade ruled the 14th amendment applies.

Stop trolling and go on a girlfriend audition

I'm not trolling, I'm educating you. Maybe "bitch slapping" might be the more accurate term, but you keep coming back for more so I'm convinced you like it.

14th amendment IS privacy, and it's wisely acknowledged as flimsy.

It's about the legal right to have safe access to a medical procedure. Not about it being private. Although yes a person's medical choices are.

In your sick mind women should be allowed to sell pussy to losers like you but not have access to a medical procedure.

^ Actually I'm functionally pro choice, but acknowledge the reality that serious legal scholars admit Roe vs Wade has questionable constitutional backing.

I've never offered $5,000 for a woman to tell me she doesn't love me. Or hangs out on a message board with people he has no respect for, and have even less respect for him. Who's the loser, again? I think you were saying something funny...

Roe vs wade is the law of the land.

So was Dred Scott. Your point?

Again showing your true colors and lack of understanding.

And what can I say to such an intelligent, reasoned comment...

It is criminal what they have done to women’s rights. I am sure the incels are delighted. Hopefully workers and women will unite to vote the republicans out. The time for workers rights is now.

I thought the Texas law only applied in cases after 6 weeks when the heartbeat was typically heard. Didn’t realize it was a blanket ban on abortion.

Stupid op what it means to sc player is if he gets dancer pg her only option is sue him for child support. It’s her body, her right, and the criminal disruption of her right needs to be reversed. Ladies get your Jane Fonda revolutionary hat and get out there and fight for your workers and body rights. Or you just going to stand there and let incels take that away from you?

CNN is not fake news lol. Next you will say u believe in Santa Clause lol.

I am sure by action of Supreme Court the other red states will follow Texas. For sc player if u get one of them your screwed / child support then.

I mean if y get them pg. happy now?

I have to watch youtube nowadays to keep up with the flip flopping far left . Apparently not everyone is keeping up. I heard the old you are a man so you have no right to talk about abortion but then heard not pc anymore because men can have babies . Had to look that up. Then I hear some women still chanting My Body My Choice. I heard that was no longer PC with Far Left when it concerns Masks And Vaccines. It's enough to confuse a lot of people. I was of the opinion authorities long held rights to impose restrictions on our rights 1St With Restrictions Alcohol At 21 Not 18 . 2Nd. Have To Wear Seat Belt Or Face Fines Now Have To Wear Masks By Government Decree No Matter If We Are Perfectly Healthy Or Not. It's No Longer Iam Not Sick You Have No Right To Force Me To Do Things. I Do Not Care For All These Decrees . Makes Me Feel Like A Peasant Taking Orders From Kings Queens .

I think this 6 weeks shit is insane though. A lot of times girls will not even think they are pregnant, especially if their periods are irregular. Sure let's just ruin countless lives for your bullshit ass morality while yall cheat on your wives and shit. Fuck off with this fake ass morality when it is convenient for you bullshit.

This group is the most ironic place for them to post shit like that.

I haven't heard a non-biased explanation of this law but I'm sick of the fake ass moral police bullshit from conservatives in Texas. No strippers under age aged 18-20 is fascist bullshit, no abortions... I thought theses types were all about freedom and minimal gov. intervention. Let folks live there damn lives and mind your own dick or vag

Abortion is fucking disgusting and any of you pro-black/blm negroes that support abortion, you're dumb as fuck...

That said, abortion may be constitutional but its absolutely unconstitutional that the taxpayers have to fund abortions.

^ @chessmaster to your first sentence. Can you explain why you say that?
I didn't know taxpayers fund abortions.

Meh I think it would be better for taxpayers to fund abortions/birth control than to fund section 8/food stamps/free healthcare/ and probably more for ghetto or white trash that keep popping out a million babies.

I support abortion because most of the people having children in America are exactly who you do not want reproducing ever.

^he's probably going to cite Margaret Sanger or something.

Anyway, this law is complete bullshit. Along with the recent law that one must be 21+ to work at a strip club in tx, it's pretty clear how they feel about women and women's rights over there.

That was to goodyman...

I support choice because I can't tell someone else what to do with their own uterus.

The thing about abortion is that there's just too many worthless men in the world now. You guys just wanna fuck around and can't accept that sometimes women get pregnant and then don't wanna pay for the baby but still expect her not to abort. Lord lol. I know there are dumbass extras hound customers that have gotten dancers pregnant before. I bet they wished she had an abortion instead because in that situation it would be convenient for them- especially if he is a married middle aged/older man. Again you guys just like morality only when it is convenient to you. Quit playing the "holier than art thou" bullshit. Nobody is buying it.

I really wonder how these anti-choicers here would feel if they knocked up their extras girl of the evening. I bet they'd be pro-choice for a day.

"because most of the people having children in America are exactly who you do not want reproducing ever."

Personally I think abortion is wrong but I am not against abortion for a couple reasons including the one Blah cited.

I predict an epidemic of women dying due to lack of access to safe hygienic conditions surrounding the underground abortion clinics that will soon be popping up. This is the best example for all, that those who don’t understand history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

^Yup.

"I support abortion because most of the people having children in America are exactly who you do not want reproducing ever."

I actually agree with this 100%.

"I didn't know taxpayers fund abortions."

Planned parenthood.

What 25 said, in addition to lots of vacations across state lines where mysterious miscarriages will happen.

Nothing good comes out of making people paid snitches.

It's sick how those who claim to care about the unborn will then want to deny welfare to the born.

This is going to disproportionately impact those who can't afford to go out of state or can't afford a clandestine abortion.

Will that mean more babies found in dumpsters. Women losing their lives with self induced abortion methods. Etc. Then when we have cases of rape or incest. Very young girls unable to face the challenges of motherhood. Prostitutes ending up pregnant. Most abortions are not just a birth control method. Women have real reasons. The women who do use them as birth control tend to be wealthier and it won't impact their access ie going out of state.

"Bette Midler says women should ‘refuse to have sex with men’ to protest Texas abortion law"

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^ that was the premise of a spike Lee movie I think the name was Chi- Raq

The premise goes way back. Ignores the fact that women like the D too.

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I'm learning alot in this thread lol. Getting an abortion is a terrible thing to do but I still don't understand why folks think they get to decide if someone else should be able to do one or not. I'm pretty conservative, but Conservative Texans seem ass backwards. It seems like they would love strict Islamic rule if it wasn't for the no alcohol mandate.

Given the proclivities of they guys who post here, I'm betting that there's a larger-than-average number of TUSCL users who have been very thankful to have Roe v. Wade in place after they made a bad decision with a dancer, sugar baby, or any other woman who didn't have their contraception sorted out. So ... there's that.

What I dislike most about this law is that it circumvents (or at least muddies) Roe v. Wade as precedent by putting regular citizens in charge of enforcing the law, largely motivated by their strong moral and/or religious positions. Of course, it's not going to be private citizens paying the legal fees for these lawsuits. It's going to be John B. Smith suing with legal services provided by a Texas Right-to-Life organization. But, it will still be the job of private citizens with a moral bias, and not the state government, to enforce the law.

Again, given the proclivities of they guys who post here, this is a site populated primarily by people who should be extremely wary about laws being enforced by morally-motivated citizens. Should this abortion law stay standing through all the legal challenges that are in place at the Texas state level, then there's nothing stopping the passage of a law where private citizens can enforce new and overly-restrictive vice laws targeting strip clubs. Texas has already shown an enthusiastic willingness to go after strip clubs and sex workers, and I'm sure there's a significant population within Texas who would love to see all the strip clubs shut down.

And strip clubs would change a lot if dancers have to worry about every single customer possibly being a proxy for law enforcement...

Anyway, I hope that this law gets struck down. I think it skirts precedent dishonestly. Also, while I hate abortion, I believe that women should have safe access to the procedure. Without it, I believe that we'll see a sizable increase in teen and other forms of unwanted pregnancies, and all of the problems that follow along after that trend.

In the meantime, I'll be curious to see the sales numbers for the morning-after pill.

@Ishmael, I think you described it pretty well.

I have pro-life sympathies, as in I believe reducing the number of abortions performed is itself a good thing and would favor spending (sex ed, birth control, Plan B, improved adoption) that gets there. And I don't buy the "my body" argument (kid has a body too)...kid is pretty damn dependent on the mother after birth, as well.

But I have pro-choice views, in that I would favor legal abortion for any reason in the first trimester, or for the health of the mother throughout pregnancy. I don't favor 2nd/3rd trimester elective abortions, but they're rare anyways. And more than that, women have been ending pregnancies with the helps of strange herbs, self-inflicted abdominal trauma, or "wise women" since the dawn of time. As long as there's shame around unwed motherhood, or bodily changes with pregnancy, it will continue to be so.

And that doesn't even get into deputizing private citizens to enforce the law. Rewards for turning in accomplices to any crime scare me, it's dictatorship kind of shit.

Either way, Roe v. Wade is a sloppy precedent. Legislatures need to do their fucking jobs, here.

Roe v Wade has been the law of this land since 1973, and politicians of both parties have using it as a wedge issue since long before that, I don't see it changing anytime soon. They all need to back the fuck off and mind their own fuck'n business.

Anyone with a modicum of Constitutional knowledge knows that the "Right to an Abortion" does not appear anywhere in the US Constitution. Amendment 10 grants powers not specifically given by or prohibited by the Constitution to the individual states. It was, and should be, up to the individual states to decide. The then "Liberal" Supreme Court was looking for a way to make abortion legal. They based their decision on the 4th Amendment. They didn't decide that you had a right to an abortion. They decided that no one had the right to ask!

Something does not need to appear in ink in the U.S. Constitution in order for it to be validly and legally referred to as "Constitutional". It is a body of law that evolves from a Constitution, and seeing as the Supreme Court bases all of its decisions on the U.S. Constitution (at least in theory...), then its verdicts are a part of Constitutional law.

That doesn't mean you have to like those verdicts, and you can certainly advocate to change them, but they remain a part of Constitutional law.

The 4th Amendment says that our persons are secure from unreasonable seizure by the government. If you have a uterus, and the government tells you that you can't have a legitimate medical procedure done on it, that's an unreasonable seizure of your person by the government. You should be able to understand this, even if your lips move while you read it.

If someone is in a coma, and they lack the brain waves that indicate higher brain function, they are considered legally dead. Their organs can be removed for transplantation, and/or life support equipment can be turned off. The best scientific information is that, in the first two trimesters, fetuses do not have these brain waves, so they are not yet alive legally. So the only grounds for calling abortion an act of homicide are religious. The 1st Amendment prohibits establishment of religion in law.

Many things become clear and simple, when you decide to stop being a dumbass who listens to Tucker Carlson type bullshit.

Not taking a vaccine because its your body is bad - murdering the unborn because its your body is good. Makes sense lol.

CMI: That's the difference between activist judges and originalist judges. The document says what it means and means what it says. The liberals were looking for an excuse to overstep their authority and they did.

As technology improves, the support for totally unrestricted abortion rights declines.

It is not a clump of cells. It is a unique set of DNA and a unique,individual human being.

Watch one

^ You are aware that the right to privacy is a mostly conservative construct, not a ruse perpetuated by activist judges

It's the 14th amendment, not the 4th.

You don't need to be pro life to acknowledge that it's a flimsy decision. In Justice Blackmun's words, "penumbras and emanations." You can find a dozen liberal professors' opinions saying it's much.

Settled law? So is every other decision, until it isn't. There are 5.5 conservatives on the court.

The fake right to privacy was created under roe v. wade, to legitimize the fake right to kill another living being.

It's always the folks that make the most noise that want to restrict the rights of folks minding their own business, abortions have been performed throughout history, restrict the ability of desperate woman to get one and you are responsible for the consequences. There will be consequences and it might be your sister, your daughter or your mother and even your wife, that those consequences are visited on.

@OWG when you scratch your ass, you scrape off thousands of skin cell that each have all the DNA needed to make a complete human being. Does that make you a mass murder? Enjoy the actual science dude. Then just straight up suck Tucker Carlson's dick. It will show your true love better than mindlessly repeating his bullshit.

@OWG the 2nd Amendment literally says "arms" not "guns". So, as long as the government allows you to own a sharpened popsicle stick, I guess you'd say that's adequate.

It's crazy that folk (many of them men)want to legislate what a woman can do with her body. I teach and I've seen a lot of emotionally, unwanted children and it's not pretty. Some of that came from restrictive rules like this. If the folk touting the validity of this law would take it upon themselves to raise and emotionally support the results of the hypocritical extreme pro-life actions, then I would have more respect for them. But as is, it's more damaging than helpful. It will just drive medical care for these situations underground. Fortunately technology is better than it was in the past, so women may not face the same kind of mortality risk...if they can get to a place of assistance.

And yeah, Abbot and DeSantis stand for an enact ideas I think are misguided and foolish. And I'm not afraid to be called a "Leftist" or whatever some folk want to yell. But I'm more of a person who thinks with common sense and is a fan of humanity rather than anger and useless hate.

Abortion in the first 6 months should be unrestricted. But we also have to make it a real choice both ways. Some women are haunted by having an abortion, that they felt forced to have by lack of $. It's a myth that poor women will all have 6 kids, if there are government programs that make sure every kid in the US has the basics. And yeah, if the Mr. Happy's raincoat breaks, or he didn't wear one, you're on the hook for 18 years, just how it goes, win the Superbowl drive off in a Hyundai.

Give it 6 months for some liberal state to allow anyone to sue someone $10,000 because they own a handgun and see how quick the all these hypocrite go screaming about how wrong it is out of the other side of their asses....

There’s so much irony here this thread should be in Webster’s under irony These folks are the so called party of small government yet they enact new laws to regulate voting, abortion, etal Wonder if anyone here realizes that the majority opinion in the case Roe v Wade was written by a lifelong Republican

The reason that abortion was illegal was because doctors considered it the murder of a human being. All of the people clamoring about the rights of a woman to control "her" body ignore the possibility that there is a unique human being involved. When i wipe MY ass the DNA is MINE not a uniquely different human beings. The 2nd Amendment says "arms" so it protects "arms". Today's ARMS. (Different argument) What is being decided is if the FEDERAL government has the right to declare abortion legal or illegal or if, based on the 10th Amendment, it is something that should be decided by the states. (As are voting laws which are Constitutionally given to State Legislatures) Blackmun was one of many SCOTUS Justices appointed by Republican Presidents so they could get through the Senate that were more moderate or even liberal than anticipated (like John Roberts is now)

Party of small government keeps coming up with new ways to regulate us get the government out of our private lives you fuckn hypocrites

Murdering the unborn is as much of our business as forcing people to get vaccines, unless you're a total hypocritical douchebag. Once society has no interest in spousal or child abuse I will believe we have no interest in killing the weakest among us. All Roe v. Wade proves is that republicans have diverse viewpoints, unlike the ignorant robots and money grubbers called Democrats. Oscar - you're a total fucking fraud. Not her body at all.

25 Abortion was decided in the states until "Big Government" liberals invented a way to circuitously arrive at a decision that fit their political view. Government should be out of our private lives but when there is a dispute over conflicting rights, who is supposed to decide?

^ you decide what works for you, and I’ll decide what works for me, I’ll stay out of your business and you stay out of mine.

^ I'll say that the next time Democrats want to raise my taxes :)

^ LOL works for me too

I'm more of a Libertarian than a Conservative. I believe each individual should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else and they are willing to live with the consequences of their decisions. That is why I was in favor of marriage equality before Joe or Barack or Hilliary. That is why I am against completely unrestricted abortion. I'm not sure exactly when but, at some point in time, that is a unique human life that deserves our protection.

@OWG See that's an opinion that is typical of Libertarian thinking, I don't know that I disagree with you personally, but I'm willing to allow another person to have a different opinion, that my friend, is the point of this, you're absolutism makes other opinions invalid, and that is where we keep disagreeing.

What if I had the opinion that sex with 10 year old girls was okay? What if I had the opinion that I could take anything I want without paying for it? What if I had the opinion that I could kill my 6 month old child because it has become inconvenient? At some point in time, in order to maintain a civilized society, government needs to step in to create and enforce laws. (As few as possible)

^ what if is all bullshit, you want to debate your religion , go and admit it, none of the shit you’re posting about is relevant to this conversation I can’t be bothered with this discussion you sound just like the Taliban.

Every one of my "What ifs" is being challenged as we speak. They aren't wild hypotheticals. This has nothing to do with religion. Abortion has to do with determining, scientifically, when life begins. The other stuff is about whether or not the government has a right to make and enforce laws.

I haven't had a religion in 45 years.

^ Then exactly what do you base your belief that life begins at conception don’t bring that shit about sexually molesting young girls or infanticide scientifically life is only unique if it is viable outside the womb, you can’t know anything other than what is a serious fact Your belief about life’s beginnings, is your own many reasonable people disagree,, with the what if’s you posted no reasonable people disagree

A woman has a right to decide what she is going to do with her body.

Texas in particular has a proud history of women acting to defend this right. And that is why SCOTUS has found such a right in our Constitution.

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AOC is great. We just need about 200 more like her on the national stage.

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Remember, as a younger man, Strom Thurmond of South Carolina had raped the family's maid.

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So it looks like the Satanic Temple is petitioning the FDA to allow abortion access for its members, because it’s important to their Satanic Rituals. 😈👹 kvue.com

Satanic Temple I first learned about in our San Jose Metro.

It is awesome, the ultimate poison pill in the church state debate. And it always sides with the little guy.

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THE SATANIC TEMPLE DEMANDS FDA GRANT UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO ABORTION DRUGS

(i guess this means things like RU-486)

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Their 4 minute video. youtube.com

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This guy is good, one of the founders of Satanic Temple and its political programs.

Lucien Greaves, "The Satanic Temple and the Law"

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Final score OWG 36 - twenty five - 6.

OWG 36 - twenty five - 6. ??

Got a link to explain this your way?

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Continuing from above.

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^^^^ 3 law suits in Missouri, against actions to try and shut down Roe v Wade ^^^^^^^

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SKibum609, Not a fraud, a thinker! You can disagree with me. Doesn't change the facts or how I arrrived at them through my personal prism of experience.

You cannot tell what I've seen up close for years isn't real.

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Department of Justice sues state of Texas over new state abortion law youtube.com

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This can be a tough issue. I lean pro choice personally. Ask yourself do we really need more piece of shit gangbangers running around because we couldn't keep separate church and state? If that happens then well more of the definitely alive people walking the earth are going to die, that is a guarantee. Some single mother shitting 30 kids from 8 fathers, look no further on what is fucking up America. We do not fucking need it.

Since 1973, SCOTUS has found a right to abortion in our Constitution. But lately Republicans have been stacking the court. So the fight goes on, as nothing is going to be allowed to shut off abortion access.

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“Blanket Unconstitutional” Texas Abortion Ban Takes Effect in Major Setback for Reproductive Rights youtube.com

As Supreme Court Takes Key Texas Abortion Case, Barbara Lee Defends Access for Low-Income Women youtube.com

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Justice Stephen Breyer thinks Supreme Court’s decision in Texas abortion law ‘is very wrong’ youtube.com

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AOC DESTROYS Sarah Palin After Incoherent Attacks

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Gov. Hochul Blasts Texas Abortion Law youtube.com

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Texas abortion law: How it works and what it means for other states | Just the FAQs youtube.com

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Why Republicans Are Scared of Texas’ New Abortion Ban politico.com

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Texas Abortion Doctor: “When We Ban Abortion, It Doesn’t Stop the Need for People to Access Abortion”

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Texas is using sovereign immunity to restrict abortions. Why is the Supreme Court silent? youtube.com

Will Texas Abortion Law Hold Up In Court? | The View youtube.com

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Pelosi, Dems fight for abortion rights with Women's Health Protection Act youtube.com

House passes Women's Health Protection Act. We have never had anything like this before, just only Roe v Wade.

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'We Are Not Vessels': Jackie Speier Defends Her Bodily Autonomy And Freedom youtube.com

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“We Demand Better”: Reps. Cori Bush, Pramila Jayapal & Barbara Lee Share Their Own Abortion Stories STORYOCTOBER 04, 2021Watch Full Show democracynow.org

Bans Off Our Bodies: Planned Parenthood Pres. on Abortion Bans, Bills in Congress & the Supreme Court democracynow.org

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^ Gross, who'd want to bang Jayapal?

Economics of Texas Abortion Laws - Richard D Wolff youtube.com

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Ask Prof Wolff: Why Texas Bans Abortion youtube.com

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Richard Wolfe is a semen swallowing fucking Marxist. I'd beat him with a sock filled with quarters before taking a fucking thing he says seriously. Only a stupid fuck commie cuck assigned male at birth would cite him as anything other than a joke and a loser.

Everything that is happening now was predicted by Marx and Engels in 1848. Capitalism is collapsing.

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Yes, the Supreme Court should have blocked this new Texas restriction law. Trump helped to fuck up the court.

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^^^ SJGoatfucker should be banned.

Ban all progressives.

The US House passed a defense of women bill, which essentially codifies Roe v Wade. Now yes, it was just the House and it was party line. But at least progress is being made. Roe v Wade should be legislative

50th anniversary, before Roe v. Wade plannedparenthoodaction.org

In 1967 California Governor Ronald Reagan signed into law an act which pretty much gave us everythign Roe v Wade did. repository.uchastings.edu

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And mostly it was just giving physicians what they wanted, a little clearer legal protection for what was already common practice.

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How pregnant Americans may be affected by Supreme Court ruling on Mississippi abortion law pbs.org

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SCOTUS hears arguments in challenge to Mississippi law

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Shocking SCOTUS Revelation You Missed Decides More Than Abortion youtube.com

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NBC News If Roe is gutted, Democrats are unlikely to make it law. But they'll run on it.

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If Roe is gutted, Democrats are unlikely to make it law. But they'll run on it. Sahil Kapur and Ali Vitali Thu, December 2, 2021, 1:30 AM·5 min read In this article:

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WASHINGTON — If the Supreme Court overturns or guts abortion rights in a major case that was argued Wednesday, the Democratic-led Congress is unlikely to have the votes to counteract it legislatively.

The fallback plan, Democrats say, is to take the issue to voters in the 2022 elections and argue that Republican victories in Congress and states could fuel restrictions on or even outlaw abortions.

“I think the country hasn't seen the rage of women speaking out,” said Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Calif., arguing that laws like Mississippi’s ban on abortions after 15 week are “intended to be misogynistic” and say nothing about the “responsibility of the impregnator.”

Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., who has spoken about her harrowing decision in the past to end a pregnancy, said: “It's insulting, it's dangerous, and it's outrageous. And so I think it's going to mobilize people to go to the polls. You will see an outcry like you've never seen before.”

The House passed the Women’s Health Protection Act in September to codify abortion rights nationally. But the bill is likely to face a dead end in the Senate, where Democrats have a 50-50 majority and need 60 votes to defeat a probable Republican filibuster. The bill has only 48 Senate co-sponsors, with two Democratic exceptions, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Bob Casey of Pennsylvania.

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From Abortion Bans to Anti-Trans Laws, a Christian Legal Army is Waging War on America democracynow.org

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Supreme Court allows lawsuit challenging Texas abortion ban to continue but keeps law in effect for now

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If you're a rich guy with a goomah on the side that gets knocked up...abortions aren't banned, TRUST ME.

^^^^^ They never have been banned for such.

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The same late Victorian doctors who were campaigning to criminalize abortion were the ones who were developing new surgical procedures for abortion and writing books about it.

The real issue is who decides when it is appropriate, and this is what most of the legal wrangling has been about.

Going into the late 70's even the Southern Baptists were not totally opposed to abortion in all cases.

Things got more extreme as abortion became part of our political landscape.

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Yale's David Blight, well worth a very careful listen youtube.com

One of the things which made the First Civil War inevitable, was the fact that the Abolitionist Movement went extra legal. Its not that the loss of some slaves really made that much difference, it was a matter of honor.

Today as we move to the brink of a Second Civil War, I feel that its territorial dimension will be created if SCOTUS guts 1973 Roe v. Wade. Republicans in Red States are poised to try and advance their party by passing extreme abortion restrictions like we see now in MS and TX, and giving money to vigilantes. Prior to Roe v. Wade Reproductive Choice was already being protected by extra legal means, and especially in TX, where the Roe v. Wade case came from.

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Eric Clapton - Layla - Crossroads Guitar Festival 2004 youtube.com

Origins of the Ricks tuscl.net

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Taylor Swift didn't jump youtube.com

Abortion should be regulated by laws, not by the court making rules out of whole cloth. For a law to be effective, it must have broad support from the people. A complete ban on abortions wouldn’t work. A law allowing partial birth abortions at 9 months wouldn’t work.

Eventually, we’ll have laws on a state-by-state basis that set limits on abortions that are acceptable to most. Maybe 12 weeks in Texas and 24 weeks in California.

The only law which is not made up out of whole cloth is the one which says that a woman has a right to decide what she does with her body. Until that is accepted, extra legal actions are instore, as they were before Roe.

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Taylor Swift - Shake It Off youtube.com

Katy Perry youtube.com

^^^^ agreed!

Will Abortion Law End Marriage Equality & LGBT Rights? (w/ Michelangelo Signorile) youtube.com

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Just like the Abolitionist Movement, the Pro-Choice Movement has had to go extra legal. Before Roe v. Wade, and looks like now again!

“The Janes”: Meet the Women Who Formed a Collective to Provide Safe Abortions Before Roe v. Wade democracynow.org

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Buddy Guy, Knock on Wood youtube.com

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Norah Jones, Something youtube.com

While My Guitar Gently Weeps youtube.com

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THE ROLLING STONES - Hand Of Fate (1976) w/ Billy Preston in Paris youtube.com

Jumpin' Jack Flash, Paris 1976 youtube.com

Honky Tonk Woman youtube.com

Only Rock 'n' Roll youtube.com

Tumblin' Dice youtube.com

The Rolling Stones - Tumbling Dice - Oakland 1994 w/ early Lisa Fischer youtube.com

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Activists Disrupt Florida Abortion Bill Vote youtube.com

I like Ron DeSantis on COVID, but on anything else he is a Right Wing Idiot!

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"Advancing Liberty and Justice also requires protecting the rights of women."

And Biden affirms the importance of Roe v Wade, women's health care, and the rights of LGBTQs.

youtu.be

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After Outcry, Texas Prosecutor Drops Murder Charges Against Woman Arrested for “Self-Induced Abortion”

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That's an option your mom should have seriously considered. Think about it, It would have freed up a computer at the san jose library all day for a sane individual to use.

^ Maybe the doctors should have left the Bondo plug in and let the epoxy harden all the way.

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Your mom should have seriously considered. Think about it, It would have freed up a computer at the san jose library all day for a sane individual to use. You know, a sane individual that doesn't have bizarre anal fetishes.

TheeOSU out there on the sidewalk, using the point stylus on his cell phones screen so he can copy and paste.

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LAME LAME LAME!

Just what we expect from a psychotic creep!

Next time we'll just let the Bondo plug harden up all the way.

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Criminalizing Abortion subjects women to all kinds of unjust prosecution. Texas is set to needle one Latina mother over the accidental death of her 2 yo daughter, and most people agree that she never received a fair trail and that the scientific evidence points to her innocence.

Melissa Lucio Faces Texas Execution Despite Innocence Claims & Bipartisan Calls to Save Her Life democracynow.org

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USING MAGIC - Initiation into Hermetics - Franz Bardon youtube.com

EMBRACING DEMONS - Make Peace with the Dark Side youtube.com

Clint Eastwood en.wikipedia.org

A leaked SCOTUS draft opinion says that 5 Justices have voted to overturn Roe v Wade and Casey. 13 states have trigger laws which automatically outlaw abortion as soon as SCOTUS overturned Roe.

26 states seem likely to ban abortion very quickly.

The leaked draft opinion seems to have been written in February. Confirmation of the Trump justices guaranteed this.

The opinion seems to open the door to bans on contraception and same sex marriages.

democracynow.org

Policing the Womb: Invisible Women and the Criminalization of Motherhood by Michele Goodwin

amazon.com

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If men could get pregnant they wouldn't be fighting for abortion rights, they'd be competing to see who could have the most and best babies.

Tyeosu why are you trolling this thread?

This could be the big bringing Democrats to the polls in November.

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If Roe is overturned, half the states will continue to allow abortions up to 9 months and the other half will limit it to something like 12 weeks. That’s called a compromise which is what happens in the political process.

So, please stop saying this will make abortion legal. Regulated, yes. Illegal, no.

Mark next time you fuck a hooker tell her the gov has a right to compromise on her body and the bitch better take it. You have the beliefs of human garbage

As long as Roe guides the law, there is no limit on abortions. Partial birth abortion, where the fetus/child has its head crushed as it leaves the birth canal, is perfectly legal.

Mark you feign crocodile tears for the unborn and don't support welfare or labor laws that would allow parents to adequately care for those kids. You talk about small government but wallow in the limiting of women's reproductive rights and control over their bodies.

Meanwhile you want women to be able to sell you pussy but want Republicans to dictate what they do with that pussy

ICEE, you seem to think everyone has unlimited rights but no one has personal responsibility. You can’t have one without the other.

You can’t have a society where everyone has a right to free stuff but no one has the responsibility to work for it.

Sriracha bob, good to see you back on the forums!

Icee, you really hate random people on the internet? For abortion views?

Mark94 yes I believe women should have reproductive rights and rights to their bodies.

You want to force women to have kids buy oppose a social safety net for them.

Maybe they shouldn't be fucking everyone on earth without birth control. Using an unwanted pregnancy due to one's personal failures as an excuse to kill a living being is sick and demented. Hopefully the bad karma comes back on you and yours.

This is horrid:

"For Conservative Legal Movement, a Long-Sought Triumph Appears at Hand"

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newshour yesterday was all about this: youtube.com

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The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4 youtube.com

Dark Money: How the Supreme Court’s 6-3 Anti-Choice, Conservative Majority Was Shaped democracynow.org

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The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4 youtube.com

“I Was Raped by My Father. Abortion Saved My Life”: Prof. Michele Goodwin on SCOTUS & the New Jane Crow democracynow.org

I've listened to Michele Goodwin and read some of her stuff before, she is really good! She is at UC Irvine.

Pence always has been known as a wacko politician 'How dare you?’: Pence goes after Harris for Roe comments

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The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4 youtube.com

Cogent discussion about abortion and its history, starting with Hillary Clinton

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more discussion youtu.be

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A few statistics that I'm going to just leave here:

87% of Americans support legal abortion when the life of the mother is in danger. (and I don't know what the other 13% are thinking, since if the mother dies, the fetus dies with her)

Rape and incest account for 2% of abortions. 84% support legal abortion in this case.

74% support legal abortion if the child would be born with a life threatening illness.

61% support legal elective abortion in the 1st trimester. 34% in the 2nd. 19% in the 3rd.

12% of elective abortions are performed in the 2nd trimester.

It is estimated that state-level abortion restrictions will decrease the number of abortions performed by about 15%.

^ thanks Tetradon.

No matter what, abortions will still exist, its just that our culture will come to see women as sub persons again.

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^ Disagree. Right now, the US has one of the most permissive sets of abortion laws in the world.

en.wikipedia.org

Overturning Roe v. Wade, which even RBG acknowledged was horribly constructed, moves abortion law back to the states. It properly lies within the legislative branch. Somehow, the left is fine with rule by judicial fiat when that rule does what they want. I think they're blowing this up to say gay marriage and interracial marriage are at risk. That's fundraising hysteria.

I don't believe elective abortion is moral. The fetus is a genetically distinct life form; that's science, not religion. But I'm pro-choice because legal and moral don't always align. I never bought the "my body, my choice" argument, because it's two bodies, or we wouldn't have laws like fetal homicide laws. I never bought the "dependence" argument either, that kid is pretty damn helpless for a long ass time after birth too. I support BTC (behind-the-counter) birth control, available without a doctor's prescription, and view reducing the number of abortions as a good thing.

But as long as pregnancy carries physical, social, and financial consequences, women (and family members, SOs, etc) will seek it out. So unless we become angels, it's going to happen, safely or not, in blue states or back alleys. And with telemedicine and Mifeprex available through the mail, it's going to all but impossible to prohibit anyways.

Inherently, we "risk-adjust" the fetus' life. I don't see any pro-lifers who want to conduct research into aneuploidy, which ends something like a million pregnancies a year. That's more than heart disease or cancer. But as the fetus grows normally, we view it as more deserving of protection. Hence the decline in support throughout pregnancy. By the third trimester, we can be pretty damn sure it's a viable kid.

In the end, I'd support legal elective abortion up to certain fetal developmental milestones (I don't know embryology enough to give a hard number but probably early 2nd trimester), and abortion to save the mother's life or in case of a non-viable fetus at any point. Which like I said above, is well over 90% of abortions, making me functionally pro-choice.

As in many other issues, my stance manages to piss off both sides. So if it pisses anyone here off, cope.

Abortion isn't banned by overturning Roe v. Wade. Roe violated the 10th amendment and was always illegal. Icee's argument that somehow its ok to kill someone because people who don't believe in killing won't pay for their mistakes is just as stupid as stupid can be. It's really just progressive trolling.

Stepping back, this nation is founded on the rule of law. The constitution specifies those rights that are inherent for everyone. These rights may not be taken away. Beyond that, the constitution lays out a legislative process that may be used to create other laws.

Roe v Wade ruled that abortion was one of those essential rights specified by the constitution. I think most scholars now agree that interpretation was bullshit. While the constitution is very specific on rights like freedom of speech and freedom of religion, it says nothing about abortion.

It’s up to the people, through the legislative process, to decide how abortion is treated under the law. Once Roe is overturned, each state will make that determination.

That’s a perfectly appropriate way to determine this and a manner that is consistent with the constitution.

Roe vs wade wouldn't be overturned because of legal or constitutional matters. But purely because of right wing political motives and forcing religion into politics

Roe v Wade PBS Newshour youtube.com

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The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4 youtube.com

Pleaser 10 inch pleasershoes.com

about Roe v Wade youtu.be

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Justice Thomas laments leak of draft Supreme Court abortion opinion: 'Kind of an infidelity' yahoo.com

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Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6 youtube.com

After Which Failed Pregnancy Should I Have Been Imprisoned? Rep. Lucy McBath on Reproductive Rights youtube.com

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REP. LUCY McBATH: Like so many women in America, for years, I struggled to get pregnant. My husband and I, we tried everything that we could do to start a family of our own. And finally, we were successful. I had never been so happy. And I prayed for this moment for so many years. I wanted to tell everyone. I just wanted to shout it from all of the mountaintops. For weeks I began to dream about our life and our future together. And then, one day, I woke up covered in blood.

And it’s hard to describe the agony of a miscarriage. It’s heartbreak, it’s helplessness, it’s pain, and it’s profound sadness. Millions of women suffer from them. And I’ve heard from many who felt guilty like I did, who felt as though that we weren’t worthy of having a child. Those are the same feelings that crept through my mind. And every time I’ve had these difficult discussions with other women, I remind them that they are strong and that they are powerful beyond measure, and that their worth is far more than their ability to procreate. However, it seems those in support of this ruling disagree.

After my second miscarriage, I wondered, in my grief again, if God had decided I was never meant to be a mother. So, when I finally got pregnant again, I was overjoyed. It was as if I believed that God was giving me and my husband — finally, he had a plan for us to be parents. But after four months, while feeling terror and trauma in my heart, I was rushed to the emergency room. There, with my doctor and my husband, I learned that I had suffered a fetal demise, or a stillbirth. There again, I was filled with anguish and sorrow and guilt. And I tried so hard, and still I felt like I failed trying to be a mother.

My doctor thought it would be better to — and safer to end the pregnancy naturally, without the medicines so commonly used. So, for two weeks, I carried my dead fetus and waited for me to go into labor. For two weeks, people passed me on the street, telling me how beautiful I looked, asking how far along I was, and saying that they were so excited for me and my future with my child. For two weeks, I carried a lost pregnancy and the torment that comes with it. I never went into labor on my own. When my doctor finally induced me, I faced the pain of labor without hope for a living child.

This is my story. It’s uniquely my story — and yet it’s not so unique. Millions of women in America — women in this room, women at your homes, and women you love and cherish — have suffered a miscarriage. And so I ask, on behalf of these women: After which failed pregnancy should I have been imprisoned? Would it have been after the first miscarriage, after doctors used what would be an illegal drug to abort the lost fetus? Would you have put me in jail after the second miscarriage? Perhaps that would have been the time, forced to reflect in confinement at the guilt I felt, the guilt that so many women feel after losing their pregnancies. Or would you have put me behind bars after my stillbirth, after I was forced to carry a dead fetus for weeks, after asking God if I was ever going to be able to raise a child?

And I ask because the same medicine used to treat my failed pregnancies is the same medicine states like Texas would make illegal. I ask because if Alabama makes abortion murder, does it make miscarriage manslaughter? I ask because I want to know if the next woman who has a miscarriage at three months, if she will be forced to carry her dead fetus to term.

So, for the women in your life whose stories you do not know, for the women across the country whose lives you may not understand, and for the women in America who have gone through things you simply cannot comprehend, I say to you this: Women’s rights are human rights, reproductive healthcare is healthcare, and medical decisions should be made by women and those that they trust, not politicians and officials.

We have a choice: We can be the nation that rolls back the clock, that rolls back the rights of women and that strips them of their very liberty, or we can be the nation of choice, the nation where every woman can make her own choice. Freedom is our right to choose.

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The Young Turks Can Overturning Roe V Wade be Stopped? LIVE NOW youtube.com

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correction to above link

TYT Can Overturning Roe v Wade Be Stopped? youtube.com

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How states are preparing for a Supreme Court decision that could overturn Roe v. Wade June 7 youtube.com

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Michelle Goodwin and Kamala Harris

states trying to track women and enforce their own laws beyond their own borders.

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Women reflect on what life was like before Roe v. Wade pbs.org

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Sammy Hagar youtube.com

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So how was your junteenth holiday? I didn't see you online, did you have a good day?

Supreme Court Effectively Ends Abortion Access in Much of the United States democracynow.org

LIVE: Supreme Court Overturns Roe v. Wade, Allows Bans On Abortions | NBC News w/ Biden and Harris youtube.com

ACLU COMMENT ON SUPREME COURT’S DECISION TO OVERTURN ROE V. WADE aclu.org

Radical Supreme Court Guts State Gun Laws & Right to Remain Silent Under Arrest democracynow.org

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Pelosi gives some strong words and sounds an alarm: youtube.com

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PBS Newshour Today youtube.com

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this is moving:

States With Abortion Bans Will Have ‘Government Mandates On Steroids’: McCaskill youtube.com

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A.O.C. Speaks! youtube.com

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I wanted to know if anyone in here was forced to take the vaccine??

Like you were locked down and you had to get it or else you were going to be executed?

I wanted also to know if anyone here has been affected by all the women who you have never in your life met, but were able to go on with their lives and get an education and make a life for themselves because they were able to get an abortion? Did that affect anyone here—those people who you don’t know, getting an abortion?

I also wanted to ask if you can remember anything that happened to you at the age of 2? What about 3? I have a great memory and my first memory is at age 5. I see women saying they need to do something elaborate for their kid turning 2 or 3 years old, and I am like WHY, the kid has no idea and will not remember that. So do you think that an aborted fetus has any consciousness of what is going on?

Idc what your argument is about these things. I don’t care. Having a baby affects a man zero, there is no reason women should not have access to an abortion. It affects YOU zero for all of the women who have been able to have an abortion so they can continue with their lives.

" Having a baby affects a man zero,"

This is completely false.

"but were able to go on with their lives and get an education and make a life for themselves because they were able to get an abortion? Did that affect anyone here—those people who you don’t know, getting an abortion?"

You don't comprehend that abortion is trading one life for another?

I once got a haircut from a girl whose mother was encouraged to get an abortion because a prenatal test had indicated her baby would have a birth defect. She was nice.

Have you ever enjoyed a Jack Nicholson movie?

Did you know that some people survive abortion attempts? humandefense.com

Mayor Eric Adams reacts to Roe v. Wade being overturned youtube.com

The woman who brought down Roe vs. Wade wants to take abortion battle to California yahoo.com

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One thing is better now than pre-Roe. There's DNA testing, so the sperm spouter will be motivated to pony up some $ for a trip to a blue state.

Newshour Today, staring with protests over SCOTUS and Roe

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LIVE: Protests at the Supreme Court after Roe. v. Wade ruling

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All about SCOTUS and Roe v Wade:

democracynow.org

Newshour youtube.com

Republicans are going to get eaten alive in November.

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Cream - White Room - Chicago School of Rock Live Aid show youtube.com

^^^ Shreveport LA has one of the only three available abortion clinics in the state. They have gotten a court to issue a temporary restraining order on the LA trigger law, so the clinic will remain open.

In a number of states it is possible that state courts could find something like Roe in their state constitutions. So they could strike down their own anti-abortion laws.

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Abortion is murder. If people want to live where it is legal; they can. If people want to live where it is considered murder and is therefore illegal; they can. The fucking caterwauling from the left is all about their forcing their sick disgusting lifestyle on everyone. Great scene in New York, where a "trans female' of 29 beat a 13-year-old girl to win a skateboarding championship. Lefties pushed too far now it all gets undone.

Women have a right to decide what they do with their own bodies. That should never be infringed upon. Roe was the correct decision, at least the minimum standard of protection. Alito, Thomas and the 3 Trump appointees have their heads up their asses.

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"Republicans are going to get eaten alive in November."

I'll take the other side of that bet. More women care about feeding their baby than aborting it.

I believe that about 25% of pregnancies end in abortion. What this whole legal area is about is a woman's right to make her own decisions.

SCOTUS trampled on something which a majority of Americans strongly support, and which has been accepted law for almost 50 years.

It is never about people who can vote either way. There aren't that many such persons. It is about who votes and who stays home.

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Cream - White Room - Chicago School of Rock Live Aid show youtube.com

And 330,000,000 people have to eat, rent, drive, buy clothing, feed infants, etc.

Inflation > abortion

The birth rate was lower during the COVID economic choke down. But I don't know if the abortion rate changed.

Inflation and economic fears now will also tend to pull down the birth rare.

But what is more important for November is the rage unleashed in women, seeing a hard won and long established basic right taken from them.

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Cream - White Room - Chicago School of Rock Live Aid show youtube.com

Women eat, rent, drive, and buy baby formula too.

Independent of the birth rate, the abortion rate, and the economy, women have grown up knowing that they have the right to decide. Now that SCOTUS and a lot of state legislatures have attacked this, the Republican Party is going to be eaten alive.

At the 2000 Democratic Convention California Governor Gray stood up and addressed the hall. Davis said, "Candidates like W. (meaning G. Bush) don't win state wide". Now this was a reference to Davis's prior opponent Dan Lundgren. And it was true, because Lundgren and Bush were against reproductive choice, so they never carried CA.

While not everyone agrees with this, the majority believe strongly in reproductive choice and SCOTUS has made this the number 1 issue for the November ballot. SCOTUS has enraged huge number of women who otherwise might not have wanted to bother voting.

It is a long like how Trump enraged a lot of people and caused a bigger Democratic win in 2018 than there otherwise would have been.

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Cream - White Room - Chicago School of Rock Live Aid show youtube.com

Rates of pro-choice/pro-life are substantially equal between men and women. And people are already well segregated to states where they are getting their preferred side enacted.

We'll see if recent polls differ, but after the leak, inflation was far and away the #1 issue among all groups except Democrats. Abortion was way down the list, and it'll split both ways. Republicans will be emboldened to turn out and preserve this decision. They've voted based on the courts for the last 40 years. They would have been pissed if this court didn't overturn Roe v Wade.

This is going to be a Republican year anyways because no one with WH/House/Senate wins seats except for horrible anomalies (like post 9/11 when the country was super unified). Now POTUS is 18 points underwater, the generic ballot is +3 GOP, and people believe the country is on the wrong track by a 47 point margin.

Not to mention, we're still 4 months out. This isn't going to be so front of mind by election day. The economy will be.

Significant majority of the US population wants abortion rights protected. Reversing Roe means that a woman can be imprisoned for having a miscarriage. Access to abortion is for women about as personal of an issue as there could be.

The Democrats got a big boost in 2018 from outrage over Trump. Now in 2022 they will get an even bigger boost from outrage over this attack against women.

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Cream - White Room - Chicago School of Rock Live Aid show youtube.com

Republicans had the trifecta in 18 and a dissatisfied populace. Democrats have it in 22 and an even more dissatisfied populace.

More women care about feeding their kids than aborting them.

Women are adamant about abortion rights. They have been for a long time. It is not all women, but it is a large contingent of women who are willing to walk through fire to get at anyone who opposes them.

I believe that baby formula shortage is getting handled before it became a serious problem.

Meet the Dutch Doctor Helping Expand Abortion Access by Mailing Safe & Legal Pills Worldwide democracynow.org

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Abortion, women's rights grow as priorities: AP-NORC poll

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Newshour, talking about Roe and Jan 6. youtube.com

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^^^ David Brooks, conservative commentator on the Newshour said that in polls of who they wanted to be running the Congress, Repubilcans had an edge. Now because of Roe, Democrats, at least for now, have an advantage.

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^ LOL. David Brooks has been the "house negro" conservative for the NYT for years now. He knows fuckall and makes his living telling the left what they want to hear about conservatives.

This is a real average of polls. realclearpolitics.com

This is a reliable source, gives the GOP an 87% chance at the House and 54% for the Senate. And this is with the GOP trying to run freak shows in swing states. projects.fivethirtyeight.com

When David Brooks turned against Trump, that was when I knew he would lose.

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Kelly-Ann Madox youtube.com

^ Trump lost because a respiratory bug leaked out of a lab in central China.

^ Trump was the worst President we have ever had, but the reason he was not get a majority of the vote and get re-elected could have been COVID. But it seems that COVID was made in US labs as far as 10 years back, and with the so called vaccine, and then released intentionally in China.

amazon.com

PBS News Weekend live episode, July 2, 2022, Abortion and Guns youtube.com

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^^^ hey SJG, are you trying to get in as many posts before the library shuts down for a long holiday weekend? Tuesday is when the library opens again, so see you then!

Mate72, I know you will be down in Tijuana helping Mamisan train those show donkeys.

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^^ I notice you never deny these library accusations people throw at you. Possibly feasible, yet probably likely!

Mate72, I think some donkey spouge is getting into your cell phone.

Biden signs and executive order to protect abortion and contraception access via federal properties. And Biden asks people to elect law makers who will codify abortion rights. (House Democrats have already passed such an act.)

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School of Rock 10 year reunion youtube.com

School of Rock Musical - Teachers Pet Combination youtube.com

Keep Me Hanging On youtube.com

Jefferson Starship - Jane - 2018 School of Rock AllStars Team 6, awesom lead singer youtube.com

Strange Kind of Women - Perfect Strangers - live at La Grande Ourse Concert Hall youtube.com

VANILLA FUDGE_You Keep Me Hanging On_BB Kings_6-22-13 youtube.com

Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today - Cleveland School of Rock youtube.com

Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6 youtube.com

School of Rock Reunion Concert - Jack Black - BEST QUALITY youtube.com

Electric Light Orchestra - Telephone Line - Chicago School of Rock youtube.com

Fleetwood Mac - Go Your Own Way - Team 1 2014 School of Rock AllStars youtube.com

Janis Joplin - Down On Me - School of Rock All-Stars Team 2 youtube.com

Aquarius - Hair - Team 5 2019 School of Rock AllStars youtube.com

Joe Cocker - With a Little Help From My Friends - Team 4 2019 School of Rock AllStars youtube.com

Dio - Holy Diver - 2015 School of Rock AllStars Team 4 - Wicker Park Fest youtube.com

The Flamin' Groovies - Shake Some Action - Cleveland School of Rock youtube.com

Roe V. Wade Ruling: She Found Out Her Baby Wouldn't Survive, But Was Denied An Abortion yahoo.com

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Jane - School of Rock youtube.com

I’m a fiscal conservative but pro abortion. It may be immoral and God may smite you in the afterlife, but damn, we need we fewer, not more, kids shit about by these fucking low lifes.

I blame Christianity and the whole “life is sacred” movement. In pre-Christian times. In Roman times you could throw an unwanted baby into the dump, kill your wife if she cheated on you or otherwise dishonored you. That was real freedom. These ugly bitches marching around protesting the Supreme Court know those were good times.

Oh yeah - you could take old people and leave them out in the wilderness to die if they became a burden. Good times.

Long thread, I don't recall commenting here I've mostly stood out of it but even though I believe abortion is wrong I am not against it for various reasons that I won't get in to ATM.

2019 U.S. abortion stats:

Non-Hispanic White women had the lowest abortion rate (6.6 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (117 abortions per 1,000 live births), and non-Hispanic Black women had the highest abortion rate (23.8 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (386 abortions per 1,000 live births).

Freaknomics study: Crime rate started to drop drastically about 17 years after Roe v Wade decision. A lot of criminals were never born.

Sexual violence against a 10yo! This will being people to the polls!

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^ Her mother says she's lying and is defending the rapist. A lot of things don't compute here. There are more layers to this story.

Well she is pregnant, and a minor cannot consent, so yeah, her mother does not compute!

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clever Aquarius - Hair - Team 5 2019 School of Rock AllStars youtube.com

^ probably as case of ongoing child abuse, and failure to comply with mandatory reporting by someone.

Anyway Tetra, you got a link to your version of the story?

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Officially came out of the closet on TUSCL on July 15, 2022! ** during library hours **

The sjcreep is #LOUD AND PROUD!!!

"Anyway Tetra, you got a link to your version of the story?"

I don't have a version of the story. Just a lot of incongruent facts and a suspicion that someone (or multiple someones) isn't telling the truth.

What kind of mother sides with an abuser who knocked up her ten year old child? Why could she not get an abortion in a clear case of danger to health in any state? Why did the doctors not report this immediately when any pregnancy of a girl under 14 has to be reported? Why did this go to the press before the authorities?

Many more questions than answers, SJG.

Regardless of your beliefs or your politics...your kids are going to pay for this decision. Good luck to your legacy!

Abortion is murder. An embryo is a human life. Just like the human life that was taken when the young man in Akron, OH was shot 60+ times by law enforcement. It’s ALL murder.

Tetra, got any links to these incongruent facts?

Historically anytime they have talked about parental notification laws, it becomes clear that such laws would often place the life of the minor in danger, and such situations are often cases of incest.

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^ I'm not defending parental notification laws. Anything I said is available by a Google search. All I'm saying is someone is lying here. I don't know who.

And I'm pretty pro choice so don't think I'm trying to make some point otherwise.

Youre fucking hypocrites for calling abortion murder while cheering on vigilantes and killer cops.

Tetra, I know your not defending parental notification laws. I was just saying that often underneath these juvenile rape and abortion cases there is child abuse and failure to comply with mandatory reporting, and often the Religious Right. Locally I helped to put such a person in San Quentin.

I usually don't try to follow these cases, but let me see what I can find.

This seems to be it, Ohio washingtonpost.com

" The conservative effort to cast a story about a pregnant 10-year-old Ohio rape victim as a hoax has now fallen apart, with confirmation of the case arriving Wednesday. While some merely noted the initial report hadn’t been confirmed, several conservative media figures and Republican politicians went significantly further in casting it as a dirty trick meant to make the GOP’s post-Roe v. Wade laws look bad; high on that list was Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost (R). "

" He continued: “Ohio’s heartbeat law has a medical emergency exception broader than just the life of the mother. This young girl, if she exists, and if this horrible thing actually happened to her — breaks my heart to think about it — she did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment.” "

Warning, Washington Examiner is owned by the Unification Church, and it is a Right Wing agitant. " Some wagered that a pregnant 10-year-old would trigger that exception. An opinion piece at the conservative Washington Examiner puts it like this:

Even if a girl gets her first period at 10 or younger, she likely has not developed a pelvis capable of safely carrying a pregnancy to term, let alone delivering a live baby. Although most conservatives may disagree with Ohio’s six-week abortion ban failing to include a rape and incest exception, just about nobody of note in the pro-life movement would ever favor denying an abortion when a pregnancy seriously imperils the life and physical health of the mother. "

Here is says arrest for rape was made in Columbus: Arrest made in rape of Ohio girl that led to Indiana abortion drawing international attention dispatch.com

Maybe we just get one free view per day washingtonpost.com

Indiana Dr. Caitlin Bernard reported 10-year-old Ohio girl's abortion, records show indystar.com

Do have to report cases of rape and abuse.

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10-Year-Old Ohio Rape Survivor Shows U.S. Not Ready for Post-Roe “Unimaginable Abortion Stories” democracynow.org

^ this is good, refutes the stuff that was coming from the Right about this case!

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^ Democracy Now is as biased a site as you'll get, but regardless of how long she's been pregnant, a pregnant 10 year old should instantly qualify as a rape and a danger to life and health.

I still maintain something stinks here. Why the fuck would any mother defend a rapist over her pregnant 10-year-old. Even when the rapist confessed. There's still more than meets the eye.

Well so that aspect with the mother does show that there is some real problem here under the surface. As the DemocracyNow guest explained, there is real threat to the 10yo woman in question is the story comes to the surface.

This will be talked about more. But the Ohio AG side is not credible. People were trying to make trouble for the girl and the doctor, and so journalists need to operate at much higher level of security so that identities can never be determined.

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At least 17 Democratic lawmakers arrested outside Supreme Court during abortion rights protests

AOC right out in front!

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Remind me, were they're any Republicans on the 2022 ballot?

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^ Performative activism. Changes nothing.

It brings out voters who agree with them, but might otherwise stay home.

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Rep. Jayapal on Recent Death Threat & Gun Violence Epidemic: Take Away Tools of Violent Racists democracynow.org

Progressive Caucus Chair Rep. Jayapal on Her Own Abortion & Why Biden Must Protect Right to Choose democracynow.org

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Oof. America is moving_on from the abortion issue.

SJG, thought ya said this was going to cause a blue wave. Sorry, man. Thanks for playing.

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Abortion is not always in the news because not much can be done about it at the point. Except for things like the 10yo in Ohio, people just have to wait.

But they have to decide who to vote for in Nov, so that will be the poll which matters. Women have never been attacked in this way before, so they will be coming out to the polls then.

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This piece must be really pushing the limit for how fast notes can be resounded.

I think this is in Turin. Interesting place.

^ I admire your ability not to change your mind in the face of data. Must be comfortable.

People brought back to politics just because of this new cluster of issues will be the hardest for pollsters to track.

Roe was "settled law."

Lots of people saw no reason to fear republicans winning elections.

Well this has changed and the polls still don't measure it.

Remember that originally most people and the polls wrote off Donald Trump as a candidate. He was getting to people who otherwise did not care about politics.

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^ All unsubstantiated guesses.

^ All just trying to feel the pulse of the nation, but no it is not precise or substantiated by anything.

I applaud AOC and the other house Dems for what they did.

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^ They did what they did best--drew attention for accomplishing precisely jack shit.

They could accomplish a lot, but for the Republican in both chambers who oppose them, especially the Senate.

The House already passed something like Roe, and it already passed AOC's Green New Deal.

They are showing voters that the greatest threat to this country is allowing Republicans to stay in office.

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^ If you can't accomplish anything despite opposition, you can't accomplish anything.

That's like saying an NFL football offense could score on every play, if it wasn't for that pesky defense.

If Twitter followers were results, the pissant "squad" would really be something. As is, they're theatre.

They are telling the voters that serious issues have come into play, and so they have to vote.

This is how Dems won the house in 2018, and how Trump was retired in 2020

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^ There is no Trump to turn them out this time. Everyone following them is already motivated to vote, and probably already in a deep blue district.

The Dems have WH/House/Senate, Biden is >20 points underwater, and the country is pissed.

Abortion is fading from the public eye.

Dems win when they talk kitchen table issues. Instead all they can do is assign blame.

No, in both Red and Blue states there are still lots who don't vote. Of course looking to the House and Senate contests. And it is the Court and the Republican Party who are the bad guys.

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^ Democrats are behind the 8-Ball on the issues of overriding importance--inflation and the economy.

More women care about feeding their babies than aborting them.

Republicans have voted based on the courts for 50 years. Democrats are Johnny-come-latelies to it.

This is gonna be a rough year. Brace yourself.

Democrats have only done good to make the economy work and to keep inflation down. It is only because of Right Wing Nonsense news that people think otherwise.

There is no food shortage. What infant formula shortage there was is being fixed before it becomes serious.

Republicans, that is the Anti-Reproductive Choice Flavor, have targeted the courts for overturning Roe V Wade for 50 years. But the wife of Barry Goldwater was the leader of Planed Parenthood AZ, and the Goldwater name is on the AZ Republican's building. And Ronald Reagan signed into law CA legislation which already gave us something like Roe V Wade. And Reagan appointed Sandra Day O'Conner, anti-choice at heart, but leading the group to declare Roe as "Settled Law". It is only a subset of the Republican Party which is anti-choice. Others are horrified by what some have done to their party.

Right Wing Nonsense News and Trump absurdity have already made times tough.

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"Democrats have only done good to make the economy work and to keep inflation down." LOL. Did you say that with a straight face? And this is before they got to implement their batshit spending. Dems own inflation.

Obviously you don't know there's no such thing as "settled law" in a common law system. Dred Scott and Plessy were precedent. What made Roe so much more deserving of deference than any other SCOTUS decision? That you happened to agree with it?

The parties have polarized on abortion (news.gallup.com ), so your "pro-choice" Republican majority, though I happen to belong to it, is not great...23% to 70% pro-life. And abortion is a mid-tier issue for me. Don't think I don't find the Democrats' abortion up until the moment of birth repulsive either.

Independents 54% pro-choice, 39% pro-life. Democrats 88% pro-choice, 10% pro-life. FYI

Dobbs didn't outlaw abortion, it returned it to the states. It undid an act of judicial activism. I don't see the left complaining about judicial activism when it implements their preferred policies.

I read a ton of news from both left- and right-wing sources. Let each argue their side and let the best arguments win. Don't play the "brainwashed by right-wing media" canard, not when the left has the three broadcast networks, CNN, and the biggest newspapers.

Pelosi and Trump made the bailout payments, and that was batshit spending and money printing, and with no economic activity to back it up.

But Biden's Build Back Better is jobs. And it includes upper income tax hikes, rather like Bill Clinton's extra 2%. It is two Democrats and 50 Republicans who have stopped it from passing.

7 SCOTUS Justices, including O'Connor, said that Roe was Settled Law, using the same language that had been applied to Brown v Board. Now no, that is not legally binding. Another group of Justices could change it. But it is rhetorical. More than anything they were saying that the next time some moron like Clarence Thomas gets nominated and says that he has not considered Roe, reject him. As it is with Brown v Board, nominated Justices need to say they support it.

Huge numbers of women who have not been voting or who have been voting Republican will be out at the polls in November voting for Democrats, and some more men too.

Yes, Dobbs returned it to the states. But as we have a Constitution it is the role of SCOTUS to make sure there are not unconstitutional laws.

Right-Wing Media is brainwashing. It started with Cable TV, and now it is the Internet. It was when we got to unlimited sources of info, instead of just a few channels of broadcast TV. RIght Wing Media stimulates the Lizard Brain.

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Tax rate hikes mean nothing until they tackle deductions. It's rich that Dems talk about raising taxes when they're trying to restore the SALT deduction, which is a giant tax break for high-income people in high-tax (read: usually blue) states.

Whatever on "settled law." If it's not legally binding, it doesn't exist. Plessy and Dred Scott had similar majorities and were on the books longer than Roe. You're explaining a wishful thinking scenario binding no one. Roe was judicial activism. Like I keep saying, where were the Dems when they had Congress?

Abortion is well down the priority list after: the economy, inflation, voting rights, guns, education. Climate change is a few notches yet below that. For Democrats, abortion is 6th, below economy, inflation (32%), guns (23%), voting rights/election integrity (15%), climate change (11%). Republicans are more enthusiastic about voting, by a 7 point margin cnn.com

There is no evidence of your abortion wave.

Dems only hope is that the war in Ukraine ends, gas prices plummet, supply chains get resolved, and inflation grinds to a halt. Without that, all the wedge issues in the world won't amount to a tinker's damn.

"Tax rate hikes mean nothing until they tackle deductions."

True! Deductions are supposed to be because some expenses are not really income, they are business expenses. A lot of progress has been made in reforming the tax code.

"Settled Law" was just SOCTUS Justices trying to exert political influence by telling people what they should expect from the court and about who should be considered qualified. They did it first with Brown v Board, and again with Roe. But no, it is not legally binding on anyone.

Abortion rights is a very very high priority issue for many many women and for many others. The economy and inflation are really only a problem because of 2 Democrats and 50 Republicans. Pretty much the same with education, voting rights, guns and climate. Vote those 2 Democrats and 50 Republicans out, and things will get good. Republicans always have higher voter turnout. It seems to correlate to wealth and income. But this is the first election that has given women and others who care about Reproductive Choice a reason to vote.

And it was Richard Nixon who pioneered using social wedge issues, like abortion and racism.

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No, per the polls I cited, abortion is not as high a priority as you're making it out to be. And it's diminishing. Out of sight, out of mind.

Dems need an economic turnaround, not an excuse.

Hard to poll for stuff that is not on the table, or of people who usually don't vote. But as November approaches, the polls should get to be meaningful. Right now it is just too early.

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They make abortions illegal and then wait until assault rifle psychos thin out the overpopulation.

They're making money from both the bullets being sold and medical procedures being done.

Plus the massive profits from the mortuary industry.

No Means Yes to Abortion: Kansas Votes on Confusing GOP-Backed Constitutional Amdt. to Ban Abortion democracynow.org

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Kansas is a Reliably Red state, but they still turned out in droves and roundly rejected a move to remove the abortion rights protection from their state constitution.

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I sure would not want to be Republican on the November ballot.

Kansas was admitted as a Free State, and that was after defending themselves against pro-slavery guerrillas being sent in from Missouri.

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I think this is about abortion, but our politics is getting more and more divisive and Ron DeSantis is certainly agitating:

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"has become a key issue in the 2022 midterm election, many states report a surge in the number of women registering to vote"

Biden in Maryland, campaigning against the "MAGA Republicans".

Trigger Laws Make Abortion Off Limits for Millions; Patients Face “Intolerable” Risk & Uncertainty democracynow.org

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^ South Carolina's Rep Neal Collins (R) denouncing these restrictions now.

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White House: GOP abortion ban would mean a nationwide crisis w/ Lindsey Graham press conference video

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The White House and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists say a Republican-led proposal to ban abortion nationwide after 15 weeks would endanger the health of women and have severe consequences for physicians.

“If passed and enacted, this bill would create a nationwide health crisis, imperiling the health and lives of women in all 50 states,” according to a preliminary analysis of the bill by Jennifer Klein, the White House Gender Policy Council chairwoman, that was obtained by The Associated Press. “It would transform the practice of medicine, opening the door to doctors being thrown in jail if they fulfill their duty of care to patients according to their best medical judgment.”

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" SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed more than a dozen new abortion laws Tuesday, including some that deliberately clash with restrictions in other states — a sign of the coming conflicts that must be sorted out as lawmakers rush to set their own rules now that Roe v. Wade has been overturned.

Most abortions are now illegal in 13 states, and others — including Texas, Oklahoma and Idaho — allow people to sue anyone who performs or aids in an abortion. Meanwhile, Democratic-led states like California, New York and Connecticut have been writing and passing laws to make it easier to get an abortion, with California promoting its abortion services on a state-funded website designed in part to reach women who live in other states.

Conflicts seem inevitable as more people travel for abortions in the coming years, especially with California and Oregon prepared to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to help pay for things like travel, lodging and child care. On Tuesday, Newsom signed a number of laws meant to thwart investigations from other states seeking to prosecute or penalize abortion providers and volunteers in California. "

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