Eviction / Homelessness Crisis and the Pandemic
Icee Loco (asshole)
I'm a fucking loser
With the delta variant on the rise, the eviction moratorium set to expire and very few mitigation efforts left in place. Where do you think we're headed?
The most vulnerable ie the poor mentally ill disabled are now going to be left to fend for themselves on the streets if real estate and developer lobby groups end up having their way.
It's ironic that Biden is the one now fully putting rich people's profits before public safety.
The most vulnerable ie the poor mentally ill disabled are now going to be left to fend for themselves on the streets if real estate and developer lobby groups end up having their way.
It's ironic that Biden is the one now fully putting rich people's profits before public safety.
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We also have unscrupulous landlords evicting the elderly , long term residents etc.
Imagine being disabled or mentally ill and forced to fend for yourself on the streets. Now add a lande to the mix.
And where we are headed, my guess, is multigenerational housing getting even more accelerated. This has been a consistent trend since 2011 and the pandemic made it stronger and it’s here to stay for a while.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/reale…
Establishment democrats and Republicans are 2 sides of the same coin.
Im surprised that biden is doing this coz its so antithetical to his supposed agenda and will be a huge part of his legacy.
And yeah more people live together coz they can't afford their own place. But people are too dumb to realize they're being exploited and impoverished
Housing is not a right, because to make it a right would infringe on those who produce the labor and material to wave them. It's a commodity, and it's wishful thinking to pretend otherwise.
Ending the rent moritoriam...well..that's a little more complicated. In my life I've often been surprised how motivated and resourceful people become when facing homeless.
The most vulnerable among need protection. For that there is welfare, SS, disability, section 8, Medicare, ebt etc ...
The longer we kick the can down the road the harder it's going to be to correct.
Describing yourself phatty? Did the chickens come home to roost?
There might be some room at the shelter your creepy friend from San jose lives in or you can just sell more fentanyl so you can pay your freakin rent playa!
So who decides which human gets the penthouse overlooking Central Park or the the beachfront mansion in Palm Beach instead of the 4th floor walk-up efficiency apartment on the south side of Chicago.
This country does offer free or extremely cheap housing to people who qualify for public housing. Why should the government force private land owners to allow people to live in apartments for free?
In my opinion the government should offer free housing to those that truly are not capable of providing for themselves do to physical or mental disability but any person who is fit to work should be expected to provide for themselves. The free government housing should be just basic housing along the lines of military barracks or college dormitories rather than the current system.
Im not surprised at some of the inhumanity in this forum.
Thing js most of you are closer to homelessness than you are to being rich.
In the meantime, the fed spends over $100B per MONTH [on treasuries and mortgage backed securities] to lower interest rates and to indirectly support a friendzied housing market (for homeowners like me and others here). If you don't give a shit about fairness-- then at least be honest.
...more tent cities coming to location near you.
We need to protect the most vulnerable. Not cave in to the most powerful.
Bullshit. You’re the one spreading the myth. My company cannot hire workers. We offer full benefits from day one. Medical (very low cost $30 per week), free dental, free vision, matching 401k, tuition reimbursement, decent wages (not minimum wage as the leftists always say) and do not even get applicants.
Stop paying attention to those who claim all the jobs are minimum wage service jobs. Get out into middle American where manufacturing takes place v
The Fed has been buying mortgages keeping rates artificially low. If they begin tapering ( as rumored ), mortgage rates will jump and affordability will drop.
Both of these changes could pop the residential real estate bubble.
“ Internet searches for "liquor shortage" have exploded to record highs this summer, especially in states like Michigan, North Carolina, South Carolina, Illinois, and Ohio. ”
Liquor warehouses in some areas are reporting record low inventories.
BTW the Democrats are to spineless to do what has to be done, and the Republicans are collectively stupider than a bag of rocks.
The CDC and NIH have gone all in on vaccines and downplayed the effectiveness of therapeutics and the important role of natural immunity. It is becoming clear that this was wrong. But, instead of pivoting to a new approach, they are doubling down on vaccines as a panacea.
They are not slumlords and were working with their tenants before the moratorium was put in place. Most of their tenants are honest but a few are gaming the system to avoid paying. They got some relief early on to offset income losses but not enough to cover everything.
Lenders have had to write off some loans and now they don’t have the funds to make new loans. Fewer loans to developers mean those workers they hire don’t have jobs. It’s not a simple problem and the more the government gets involved the more it gets worse.
All these bailout programs will eventually have to be paid for and guess who pays for government over-spending?
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker…
This is stupid but I’m sick and tired of dealing with your polarization of all issues
First this country requires you to earn your way or be satisfied with basic shelter, there are plenty of choices available to keep people sheltered if idjits like Icee & SJG aren’t satisfied with what’s available he t a fucking job, there’s a wealth of available jobs open some paying better than others and offering good benefits no one owes you lazy fucks anything
Second vaccines and masks are an evolving science leave politics out of it, don’t want to be vaccinated or wear a mask fine don’t expect to be fully welcomed into the world that those of us inhabit, you’ll have trouble getting a job, there will be venues to exclude you with genuine cause, and here’s a point many haven’t been faced with, but as vaccine becomes more common your insurance is going to rise significantly similar to smoking and other unsafe behaviors
That what’s coming don’t say you haven’t been warned
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“ Trump supporters are science deniers who refuse to get vaccinated. That’s the source of all our problems with CoVid”.
Anecdotally, I’m a Trump supporter, I’ve been vaccinated, and I believe in the vaccine’s effectiveness. I just don’t think vaccine mandates, masks, and social distancing are justified at this point, if they ever were.
You continue to make my points so much more eloquently than your own.
It ties in with the eviction moratorium and the power developers and the real estate lobby have.
The rich need a Robespierre
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What's really moral is lying to women, sexually exploiting them, and getting them addicted.
If you're paying a woman $5,000 to tell you she doesn't love you, you are either rich, or a liar.
the vaccines work, why are you spinning the same stupid shit over and over
There is a huge amount of demand for hard working adults and its no myth. Suck it up buttercup put some sweat on that brow.
What I still don't understand is why only $3B out $47B approved by congress made it into the hands of people who needed the money. Why? Incalcitrant, stupid, right-wing states? Or just plain ol' incompetence.
At least our Gov Polis extended the moratorium another month. Good guy.
States lack the infrastructure and programs to disburse the money. They have to create all that.
The least that should have been done is extend it til the money is all disbursed and more programs roll out
"The fact that they're trying to do it is disgusting and is simply about money and liability." Like most rational business decisions it is about money. They don't want to risk losing money because they have to close down during an outbreak among their workers. It is also about good customer service and protecting their employees. If they have to close due to an outbreak they can't provide their customers with the goods or services they need. If there is an outbreak among employees it puts the health of other employees at risk and if they have to close because of that outbreak it puts the well being of employees at risk because they are not being paid for the time they are closed.
Will/should all employers require vaccination? No, each business should weigh the positives and negatives and decide for themselves if they need to have such a mandate. They may decide it is worth it or that a mandate would cause them to lose too many unvaccinated customers or too many good employees. One wonderful part of our economic system is that businesses can hire and fire people based on who they believe will make the business successful.
If you think businesses saying they will only employ vaccinated people is bad just wait. Some business are already starting to require vaccination from their customers before allowing them to enter their business. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/nys-broa… I wouldn't be surprised if some landlords start requiring vaccination in new, or renewal, leases to "protect the health and welfare" of all of the tenants in the building.
Maybe if employers, stores, restaurants and landlords started denying to do business with unvaccinated people the vaccination rate would go up dramatically.
Based upon not only the "whores [I] write about (your words) but also whay I'm witnessing in too many local businesses to count. There are ample jobs to be had and have been for a very long time. The responsible tenants were the ones who communicated with their landlords during the period of legit shutdowns while seeking other jobs to bridge the gap. The ones who are left are the irresponsible and the arrogant - those who felt that they were "too good" to do certain jobs. And here we are.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/real-estat…
That's because FL requires proof of income loss due to the pandemic. FL's shutdown was lighter and shorter than almost everywhere else. The Governor also issued executive orders a year ago which limited individual cities from independently locking down for longer. The result is that less of our underwater renters can prove that the pandemic was the cause. Go figure.
This also doesn't fall in line with immunization requirements since this is legally not a vaccine nor an immunization.
Then if there's a union or collective bargaining agreement there have to be nego.
Businesses aren't gods and don't hold absolute power. Fuck them.
And finally an employer cannot demand medical records ie proof of vaccination.
Jes sayin
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Since you brought up "medical aid," anyone with a pulse knows that Fed money to extend Medicaid has been rejected by many states since Obamacare started in 2008. There are still 12 red states that refuse to take Fed money to expand Medicaid -- despite the obvious cruelty of withholding medical care for the poor. They really don't have a system in place; the idea of extending Medicaid is considered "socialism" and letting the poor suffer is an acceptable choice.
Skibum. A new program can't be under an existing program. Thats like saying SNAP should be distributed by VA
By telling you that you need to be vaccinated by a certain date I am making an acceptable accommodation and it’s my decision who’s allowed to work in my workplace and whom I want to sell to and like I said the law protects certain classes as long as I avoid banning those I’m good to go.
You can suggest the vaccine. You cant threaten employees without opening yourself up to potential lawsuits.
Also I don't get how some of you have such a problem with public safety measures but think its okay for businesses to fire people who don't want the vaccine or cannot get it for whatever reason ie health religion etc
At age 18, there is almost a 0% chance of dying from CoVid and less than a .1% chance of having a fatal reaction to the vaccine. A pretty small risk, but it’s not zero.
And, if you’ve already had CoVid, you have better immunity, probably for longer, than if you got the vaccine. And, the vaccine still has a slight risk.
Given all that, can someone explain why Fauci says that everyone must get the vaccine ? Because, it’s not science and it’s not math.
I agree, the vaccines work most of the time to protect the vulnerable. However, they do almost nothing to help the young and healthy. Plus, there has yet to be a scientific study showing that masks or lock downs are beneficial. They might be, but there is no science supporting it. You’d think the government would have studied this by now given they forced 300 Million people to lock down and wear masks.
At this point, having Biden tell us we are morons if we don’t get the vaccine doesn’t feel like following the science.
https://www.hipaajournal.com/is-it-a-hip…
Medical background, not a lawyer, however HIPAA has been drilled into our heads since the 1990s. It is a HIPAA violation for your physician to divulge that information. It is not a HIPAA violation for employers or businesses to require proof of vaccination to gain mass free access to the building.
Not a lawyer bit I do know that HIPPA doesn't prevent employers from asking for medical records it only prevents organizations such as doctors offices, insurance companies, etc from disclosing your health information without permission.
I have had two previous employers that required me to submit medical records. The first was when I was working in construction for a company that was building a water treatment plant in Africa and they required proof of vaccination for certain viruses before I could travel for the job. The second was when I was working as diesel mechanic and in order to be covered under the shop's insurance while road testing trucks I had to submit to annual physicals and eye exams and submit copies of the results.
A more relevant example for this site would be porn actors being required to submit std test results on a frequent basis. I have no personal experience with this because I pay to have sex (sometimes on camera) rather than being paid to have sex on camera.
For the record I haven’t heard Biden call anyone a moron, he’s been a lot more measured in his speech than your guy.
The vaccines work, like I said don’t want to keep debating you and your selfish illogical behavior, my take is more and more things will become unavailable to the unvaccinated, so don’t get your shot, iDGAF, that’s your call, you might lose your job, you might be denied access to a concert or a ballgame, your insurance rates will probably go higher than a person who has the vaccine.
As to Hippa law I’m not an attorney but I am allowed to ask you for proof of vaccination before I hire you or give you access to my place of business my guess is because I’m not asking a physician for that Hippa doesn’t apply.
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Suppressing such discussions is why the Neo-Liberal Wing of the Democratic Party (Biden, Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Gavin Newsom, Andrew Cuomo, Hillary Clinton, James Carville) have promoted hysteria over COVID. And it is this Neo-Liberal wing, along with Republican/Libertarians who are the enemy of the working class.
Missouri Congressmember Cori Bush
https://www.democracynow.org/2021/8/2/re…
SJG
Knock on Wood · Otis Redding · Carla Thomas
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25: why do you keep denying vaccines work ?
Me: I got the vaccine. It works for me
25: why are you afraid to get the vaccines?
Me: I’m not. I did.
25: why do you keep denying vaccines work ?
Me: For chrissakes, how many times do I need to repeat that vaccines work ?
25: You keep repeating the same shit. Why won’t you admit that vaccines work ? I’m tired of you saying the same thing over and over.
Me: vaccines wor…….Oh, never mind.
SJG
Knock on Wood, Buddy Guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpa6nvfx…
https://youtu.be/bAdNz6BwU8c
He actually said that there are masks that are effective and work, but every piece of cloth you put in front of your face is not an effective shield, but you keep on trying to misinform us all, it seems to be your calling.
arguing with those two is like playing chess with a pigeon. no matter how good u play the game is gonna end with all the pieces knocked over and shit on the board
after that mr mark will follow u around and continually proclaim victory
mr dugan is actually more fun becaus the rick the pigeon way is to chug a bottle of flying whiskey, shit everywhere, and fly off thru a red light causing an 8 car pileup
mr dugan does something analogous. it is fun to watch as long as u wait at least 1/2 hour after his mercury bobbcat has left the area
your welcome
au contraire mon frere twentyfive mr mark doesnt know the meaning of gaslighting
he is knocking over the chess pieces, shifting on the board, and following u around saying “i win i win i win”
I fact I suspect he is holding a match behind his ass rite now trying desperately to fart
when he does hell say “im gaslighting im gaslighting”
my posterior predictive algorithm gives a 99.9% posterior probability to the statement “mr dugan lights his own farts and he laffs and laffs and laffs”
dont take that as a criticism mr dugan lighting ur own farts endangers fewer ppl than most of ur u bein u activities. so fart away my man!
As far as jobs... hmm ok I'll be racist as fuck and also trash the American south. I think the job market is way way better up north. My guess it is all the fucking Mexicans ruining the job market in places like California and Texas and causing the wages to be so much lower... I do believe what some of you all are saying about decent paying low or no qual jobs up north. By decent paying I mean you can live off it and buy houses etc no problem. Actually wa and or used to be like that until real estate prices really fucking exploded. But they still have a lot of high wage jobs vs the fucking south. I have also noticed places like MN, wi, mi make things so so easy.
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We have a broken squirrel cage economic system, hasn't worked since the 1870's. We are working to start it again, and to bring on more booms and busts. The costs of this system go way beyond what it would cost to take care of people's basic needs.
The reason the NeoLiberal Democrats are promoting COVID Hysteria is to keep people frightened and docile.
SJG
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Icee had a point regarding the working poor during the time the Democrat governors shut their state’s down. However, now, there are millions of jobs out there right now, including minimum wage and much higher paying jobs. Here in the low-pay South (with a low cost of living which some people who have little or no experience with love to vilify), my employer’s lowest paying jobs are in the mid twenty thousands/year and.we have a revolving door on those jobs because employees with a high school education are getting better paying jobs elsewhere.
I general, don’t most dancers “do whatever it takes” to put provide for their kids. Put food on the table and a roof over their heads. Perhaps those facing eviction look a the work ethic of strippers instead of looking for a free handout
What we need is an economic and health care restructuring.
SJG
The COVID vaccine is yielding a higher death rate in Israel and UK, by their own data.
SJG
Buddy Guy - Knock on Wood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpa6nvfx…
Again most of you are arguing what if scenarios and abstract bs coz you have no real life experiences to fall back on. Hence the lack of empathy with the average American
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Actually, the lesson here and elsewhere is to bypass all state governments, which are getting in the way. Send the Fed money directly to those in need.
Real Estate Market going nuts, to me this seems to be a currency collapse and a broken economic system.
News Hour
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SJG