Nevada Ranches

From the reports I've heard on here, the Nevada brothels don't have a good rep for ROI - I've heard one often has to pay big $$$ in the order of $1K or more and girls wanting to charge extra for different things; etc - first time I hear of getting action in a Nevada brothel for $350 but I don't have firsthand experience.

Well don't quote me on the price. My buddy paid, I was drunk. But that's what he said I owed the following day. And I doubt he dropped a thousand dollars.

It's been a very long time since I went to a Nevada brothel but, the times I was handed a "menu", I just told the girl that I'm not paying that. I got services for half the menu price. Don't even know if this is an option these days but you could pick up a working girl in a casino for half of the brothel menu prices.

The brothels I went to, Mustang Ranch included, had a buzzer to get in. This buzzer alerted the girls to lineup for you to pick as soon as you entered. The trick is to say you want to stop at the bar for a drink first so you aren't pressured to pick the girls from the lineup. These are usually lower end girls that aren't busy. Waiting at the bar gives you a much better selection.

Nice tips, thanks

The best tip re: NV brothels is simply stay the fuck out of any of them.

I had to LOL at OP's review of "Still very impressed with how big and clean the place was. I can't remember the girl too much, but I do remember her being very pleasant."

Reminds me of golf course reviews that talk only about the restaurant and the food, instead of the course.

Any pics or videos I've seen of the available brothel talent was not very impressive and did not look worth the drive or expense.

Never been there myself though.

Have to agree that the girls at brothels are not hot in general but there are a few diamonds in the rough, or ruff, in some cases. Stopping at the bar doesn't cost anymore than what you drink though.

As far as the drive, in Northern Nevada they are minutes from Reno or Carson City. Pahrump is an hour drive from Vegas, however.

Advice on Nevada Brothels (based on a visit around 2005):

TLDR - Don't bother.

Longer version-
1. The menu is for out of state noobs or suckers, or PL's who have no negotiation game. They price at outrageous levels because some married, church-going schmuck from Ohio won't question a $1,000 price for a 15-minute HJ.
2. The Line Up, room tour, and cheap bar are all about moving you QUICKLY to a room with a provider. The faster they can get to agree to a "party" the less time you have to work out you are paying orders-of-magnitude too much for way too little.
3. The "rules" are at best, a boner killer. Everything covered, service limited to what was "ordered", timer is set and enforced. The room is under video surveillance - for her safety. If you break a rule, or even try, you are out the door no refund.
4. The providers average about a 6-7 in looks made to prove that gravity works, and between 18 (rare!) and 55 (not as rare as you'd like) in age. In the line up, they dress in what was once probably sexy outfits, but now look like they almost survived 75 wash cycler after being purchased at Target in 1997.
5. The experience is, well, clinical. It starts with a mandatory "health check" by your provider, where she looks at your junk and checks for something bad (??).
6. She then starts the service with all the enthusiasm of a tree... a dead tree. The last time I tried this I was LUCKY to find a hot 19 yr old spinner. We agreed to BJ plus Cowgirl. Well her BJ was while still clothed and she sat by my side with her back to me while she went down. It was like trying to get hard looking at the back of your wart-nosed cousin's head. The cousin that always teased you for being a "lamewad." (Disclaimer: I have no such cousin. Example used for illustration purposes.)
7. After your session, you will be glad to cross this off your bucket list, because you sure as fuck will NEVER do that again! I mean you can have a more intense and satisfying experience by jacking off to the hot MILFish actress in the latest Hallmark Channel movie.
and,
8. As implied by the OP, being drunk will only make it worse.

That sounds like my experience way before yours. The only reason to go is to say you did it once. I took a course buddies in but they never left the bar and I had no interest. You can do the same at Adelitas and Chicago Club in TJ.

@GACA

I am going on a limb and say that you had 🍺 beer googles on; Urban Dictionary defines beer goggles as the "phenomenon in which one's consumption of alcohol makes physically unattractive persons appear beautiful."

In addition I would say that you might have had a Alcohol Induced Psychosis episode that caused you to have Hallucinations and or Delusions, regarding the size, quality and cleanliness of the bordello, like seeing a mirage in the desert.

Like many have pointed out you can google the bordellos in Nevada and find pictures of the places and the girls and you will see what everyone in this discussion has pointed out, these places have been in a decline for a long time.

Your experience is a good example of why is better to be completely sober in this kind of situation, because you might have a great time, but not enjoy it completely or remember it accurately.

Any how thank you for the warning and be careful out there if you decide to go there again.

Here is a reprint of my article from 2016:

The 40 Year Old Vigin
October 12, 2016
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July 16, 2017
JAprufrock
Back in the early 70's I worked with one. Nice guy, decent looking but not the sharpest tool in the box. Another coworker and myself decided it was time to get him laid. We all worked for the same airline at LAX. So one Saturday morning the 3 of us flew up to Reno. I was single but the other planner was notorious for cheating on his wife.

We rented a car in Reno and drove down to Lake Tahoe for an afternoon of sightseeing and gambling. We drove back to Reno and had a nice steak dinner.

Then it was time to do the deed. We had already decided that we were going to take him to the Mustang Ranch. We asked a casino worker for directions and it was easy to find. The whole route was marked with red arrows. We pulled into the parking lot around 9PM. It was a bunch of mobile homes hooked together and was surrounded by a chain link fence. We pushed the buzzer at the gate and were let in.

Once inside the madam immediately called for a line up and about 20 girls lined up for our inspection. I'd rate them 7's to 8's. We let the virgin take first pick. Then we both made our picks and went off to the rooms.

Once inside the room, the first order of business was the payment up front. It was $50. Next was the wash and dick inspection for VD. This of course was done by the girl. Condoms were not even mentioned. (not required)

It was not a GFE experience. It was fuck and roll over. I went back out front and found the "EX' virgin sitting there drinking a scotch on the rocks and smoking a cigarette. He wasn't even a smoker. :) He was grinning from ear to ear. He said "I came so fast that she made me do it a second time".

My cohort came out and we drove back to Reno where the ex virgin immediately went to bed.

I assume Reno is probably cheaper and less clinical than anything just outside Vegas?

But still...

My only visit, didn't do the lineup, sat down at the attached bar and let girls approach and chat.

Would only make an offer or negotiate until you went to their room with them. So, when the first girl refuse to come down to a reasonable price, I had already gone on a tour with her that ended in her room with negotiations, and I went back to the bar. Would not go lower than $600 if I remember, and this was like 20 years ago.

And, repeated this with a second girl.

The third girl I saw leaving the bar with a guy when I first arrived, so I pretty much understood how long this was going to be when we went to her room to begin negotiating. Probably actually the prettiest girl that was hanging in the bar, and no GPS, I guess. $300 if I remember (20 years ago).

Getting it done was nice. I've had worse. But positions, etc, were limited (maybe even negotiated before, I forget...). Had a much better time for less with EVERY GIRL I met using seeking.com...

I'm sure my experience wasn't typical, first I had to be woken up when we arrived so that's where I was mentally.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to perform either. All I know is the girl definitely told me I could do whatever I wanted to any hoke she had, I ended up with a GFE and just performing cunnilingus. Girl was super awesome personality vibe but no I can't remember what she looked like only that she had horrible fake titties.

The price seems way too low for a legal brothel.

The main objection to NV legal houses is that they have screwy rules which prohibit front room makeout sessions.

DV tried to make the Chicken Ranch in Pahrump real good. But the laws stopped them. So instread they turned their attentions to TJ.

NV has lots of screwy laws for their brothels, laws which apply no where else, but regulate the women 24/7.

SJG

Everything legal is regulated. Nv brothels are being phased out anyways

Many NV brothels have gone out of business, and had their buildings torn down. It is a bum deal.

Long ago people used to call for legalization of prostitution. Today most proponents just call for decriminalization. So their will not be any regulations. But there could be some places where it is still criminalized.

Screwy NV laws are the worst example to follow.

SJG

Decriminalization is intended to help prostitutes get help without incuring legal problems. Solicitation is still a crime

"get help" ? No, decriminalization is because we don't want to criminalize sex between consenting adults. Solicitation is not a crime if it is decriminalized.

SJG

Decriminalization is seen as a way to fight human trafficking and deal with addiction etc. It's not about sex. Its about creating safe places for prostitutes to seek help. It doesn't address solicitation. Im many cases it toughens penalties

No, not everyone sees it as being about such help. Many women are self respecting and very happy as sex workers.

SJG

Thats how the laws work though.

I've never known happy hooker

No that is not how such laws work. Decriminalization means that people can do whatever they want and the law will not interfere.

SJG

There are plenty of happy hookers which are members of this forum.

SJG

Not in practice. Its more complex and not literal.

They say they're happy hookers as a selling point. No one advertises by saying the truth

Not too many of the general population is happy. So that's not saying much.

As a segment of the population, people that chose prostitution as employment are largely part of the emotional profile that failed the delayed gratification test. And yes this emotional profile tends to be unhappy in life whether they're prostitutes or not.

:)

I did meet up with a few outside the Ranches. The best was back in 2004 or with a gal from the Chicken Ranch. That happened to be the first visit to CR, and most of the gals that day were 7-9 in looks. The gal I picked was a definite 9. I initially failed getting her to agree on a reasonable rate. No sooner had I left and out comes the Madam asking if I would see her for $300 for 45 minutes, still a bit higher than I wanted but agreed. At one point she mentioned that she danced at Spearmint Rhino in Vegas, and that she was working starting Monday, which was two days later, and to come and see her if I was still in town. I was planning on visiting Olympic Garden, but I decided to try Spearmint instead. Sure enough I got there, git a few very good lap dances from her, and as I left she slipped me her phone number, and I met up with her that night.


Next time I visited the Chicken Ranch was 2006, the quality had dropped significantly, hottest was a 7, and most were out of shape 6's.

I’ve never done the NV brothel thing - but I’m enjoying the stories posted here. Some less than stellar experiences - but since it’s legal - it is definitely a unique part of the country.

Here, got some people who had patronized the places to speak out. Turns out to be screw NV laws which regulate the front room fraternizing. They interfered with DV doing with it wanted to do in Pahrump as well.

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=3718…

SJG

People have posted about ITC and OTC. Seems mostly like people find what they want to find.

They say there are Casino Girls, and that sounds pretty good.

And then there is the street

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6zRrfr_…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svo--oLe…

SJG

A lot of the girls in the casinos are strippers with pimps who are having slow nights at clubs

Yeah, I would not want to be involved with a girl who has a pimp, mostly because I would not want to become a pimp to replace him.

I have been approached by girls on the street who clearly have a pimp.

I declined.

Overall, I think it would be pretty easy to find out if she has anyone like a pimp, it would be obvious.

I hope there is not that much of that.

Interesting:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103253/

SJG

Alice Cooper - No More Mr. Nice Guy (from Alice Cooper: Trashes The World) [Official Video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN6ngThq…

It's not always easy to tell if a girl has a pimp. Some are pimped by women. Even moms or sisters. Some by boyfriends.

To a lot of hoes letting a man pimp her is a sign of love and submission

Well, if you spend some time with her, this will all become apparent.

SJG

It's not something they genwralkybreveal to customers. Especially when you have a gfe. It's easy to hide. She'll just lie about her where abouts. And she may need money to pay back an aunt she borrowed it from. Or may need a certain amount to make her bills. Meanwhile it's to make her quota.

When you get into that kind of territory women can say anything, because they consider it all to be private anyway. But they are not as thick skinned as they may pretend to be, not at all.

SJG

It's a long trip to Nevada, I'd want to know what she looks like without beer googles, but thanks anyway.

https://www.amazon.com/Leaving-Las-Vegas…

They don't explain this, but they show you this. When Sera sets up the sessions herself, she is usually undercharging. And these are really tender sessions.

With one she did with a Hispanic man when she was working the street in Los Angeles, she really lowered her fee, made it a sliding scale. And it was fantastic. So he emptied his pockets and gave her what else he had.

It says in the book, "She brings out the best in most of the guys she fucks."

SJG

It's a work of fiction

They both, and the pimp Uri are very believable characters.

SJG

2ICEE said "It's a work of fiction."

Much like SJG's creepy/rapey "organization" that has been on the hairy edge of taking off for the last 10 years.

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7681…

Prostitution is a shady business and customers are basically seen as walking ATM s. She'll do what she has to so she can make money. If that means a gfe that's what she'll do. Hookers disassociate sex from feelings and any kind of connection.

You can make a connection with them by being a part of their world. Being a customer won't do that.

You are saying that because she is a prostitute that she cannot be trusted, and that you cannot enjoy intimacy with her.

I think that is completely unfair.

SJG

I'm saying her world is rough and if you show any signs of weakness or naivette you'll end up being used. It's the nature of the game.

You can gain her trust but never by giving her money

And again, what did the women who practice prostitution do to earn such contempt?

SJG

It's not contempt. I love hoes. And I know their game.

If you're a customer they'll take as much as they can. They'll push every single boundary. The only time a customer can get more than what they pay for is if she wants to quit and finds a guy who wants to wife her up.

Take as much as they can, push every single boundary? You are describing all women.

You can engage with a woman in a P4P context and very quickly have her completely off of script, and then lead the relationship to where ever you want.

SJG

Sjg you can if you can change the p4p dynamic. Hoes show their feelings differently. It's when they give and stop taking

My position has always been that when you engage with a woman in a P4P context, the first thing you want to do is start getting her off script. She will still get the customary money, but the relationship will be completely different.

You never want to treat prostitutes as prostitutes, you treat them exactly as you would treat other women.

SJG

Spending money on her is different from spending it for her. As long as it's p4p it's a gfe at most. The underlying bdybamic doesn't change

Spending money on her, things like restaurants and hotels, is wasteful. No way to completely get away from it, but try to minimize it. Money or other stuff given to her helps her meet her needs and pay her bills. Very constructive.

SJG

It's not wasteful. It's fun for both and shows you care and make an effort. Helping with bills is something you should only do in a committed relationship.

Well you never totally get away from spending money on her. But some women, they like to get their back end insurance up front, so they like to be handed cash. You want her to be able to pay her bills. Money was invented for handing to women.

SJG

It's the dynamic behind it. If it's money for her then you're paying for her company etc. It's a p4p dynamic. If the money stops she's gone.

Are you intending to describe the institution of marriage? Sounds like you are.

SJG

Tweedle dee and tweedle dumb hashing it’s out on who’s method for paying sex workers is the best, and if you do it any other way is rong. My tagline for the win!!

No. Im talking about gfe

Not GFE, totally off script:

"
My position has always been that when you engage with a woman in a P4P context, the first thing you want to do is start getting her off script. She will still get the customary money, but the relationship will be completely different.

You never want to treat prostitutes as prostitutes, you treat them exactly as you would treat other women.
"

SJG

No as long as it's p4p it's a gfe. That's the social contract between you.

It's not a girlfriens or wife. It's a relationship dependant on that exchange. You can try for something real and that would rest on not having p4p.

Giving a girl money does not mean that what ensues is P4P. Most of the time, women are getting money from men.

The prejudice against prostitutes in this country seems to be because our feminism came originally from Victorian Middle-Class Social Reformers.

So in this country the Sexual Revolution glorifies Free Love.

But in Mexico the Sexual Revolution seems to play out with college girls taking a few months off to work in the bars in TJ.

"Women often turn to reform when they can no longer attract men."
Watch for "The Uplifters"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoaF8_dl…

SJG

If she wouldn't be around without the money or if her interacting with you is contingent on her receiving a payment for it its p4p. Spending for isn't the same as spending on.

In Mexico the sexual revolution is about women's body autonomy resisting toxic masculinity etc. Much like in the US.

And free love is very liberating

ICEY, would it make you feel better if she was at the strip club and fucking guys for free? Most women cannot afford to do that.

Much of American feminism has always condemned prostitution. This is because it was being led by middle-class Victorian reformers. But this is not always true. Some American feminism has always been pro-sex and they have no problem with prostitution.

Like Water For Chocolate is heralded as the beginnings of Mexican feminism. So some want a reliable and livable income independent of marital status. And like prostitutes say world around, they want full control over who they do and don't session with, from beginning to end. They don't want to be pimped.

And then maybe they want to keep regular hours, and they are not looking to get alcohol pickled, so they stay out of the bars and work from the sidewalk.

https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=4175

SJG

^^^^^ The sidewalk daytime school girls are an expression of Mexican feminism.

SJG

Dancers work at strip clubs and a dancer isn't the same as a hooker working the club. Of course both are there to work. And as long as she's working and you're her customer well thats what it is.

Prostitution is seen as a huge social problem in Mexico not as something liberating. American sex positive feminism views it as positive so long as a woman profits for herself.


You're just describing hookers and gfes and if that's what you're into it's okay

The reason we have the term "sex worker", invented by Carol Queen, is to collapse that difference so that the women will band together.

Some of the women who work in strip clubs just at some point decide to give guys what they want. You can't then say that that makes them wrong.

In Mexico of course there are some who are opposed to prostitution. But there are also those who do it. And is is built into their culture and history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldaderas

Some of the Mexican women who engage in prostitution do see it as liberating because they get a reliable income regardless of marital status, and then they like to control their own affairs and lead clean and sober lived.

And no, you can have a relationship with anyone, it does not have to be P4P or GFE.

SJG

I'm not talking right or wrong. I'm talking about the dynamic when it's p4p. Yeah you can have a relationship with a hooker. Its not hard. But the only way to get there once you've paid for sex is if she wants to quit. Otherwise you're stuck in that dynamic.

In Mexico prostitution is about poverty addiction same as in the US.

I've never met a hooker who likes the men she fucks. Usually it's the opposite

At the bottom of the trade, things can be tough. But this world is filled with kept women.

SJG

Kept women?

Women who are getting financial support from a man. Its more of a European and Latin American custom, but it seems to really be everywhere except in the US.

But then:
https://sidechicksthemusical.wordpress.c…

They aren't hookers, but they aren't wives either. Seems to be a deliberately ambiguous middle.

Except for adolescents being supported by their parents, and except for the very wealth, most women are getting financial support from the men they fuck.

SJG

In practice it's like a second wife or in many cases a second family. It's very rare since it's expensive and grounds for divorce.

In all 50 states in the US you don't need "grounds for divorce" anymore. It seems to be a European originated practice, and is very common. Also common in Latin American, and in many other places.

In any event, women generally appreciate monetray support.

It isn't common its too expensive.

Regardless. I don't get the fixation with p4p in scenarios like swinging or affairs etc when you can have free sex.

When women know that they can be getting money they are more likely to show up, and more likely to dress extremely slutty.

SJG

That's what hookers are paid for. That's the role you pay them to take.

If that's what you like okay but it's not regular sex and thinking it is puts you at risk because it makes it easy to abuse your boundaries in the p4p dynamic.

this turned into a tennis match. back-and-forth.

a number of years ago I stoped by mustang ranch just east outside of Reno and Sparks. probably around 2 AM. I was a truck driver and had left the terminal that was just a little bit west of Mustang Ranch. i’ve driven by it a number of times seeing all the red flashing lights… so I make the drive off the freeway and park in the gravel parking lot. I walked to the gate and they let me in to the bar area. honestly it was depressing. Bar area was OK but just the look of it everybody was rundown wore out and the ladies were definitely past their prime. One of the ladies gave me a tour and gave me a menu. prices were outrageously high. I said thank you and I went back to my truck and got back on the road and drove to my home terminal eight hours away. then I hopped in my car and drove to tijuana.

And everyone reports that about the NV houses, nothing good.

ICEY, as I keep saying, if you want to engage with them you get them off script, you partake, then you keep partaking.

If you don't like them you leave them be.

Stop assuming that I am stupid, or that they are stupid. Neither is correct.

SJG

You're not off script as long as it's p4p

Most women are getting money or social climbing from the men they fuck.

Maybe some have royalties from their novels, they are independently wealthy, or they are adolescents who are being supported by their parents. Otherwise they get money or social climbing from the men they fuck.

And so the vast majority want more of this not less, so they do want to be involved with men who like them and who like to fuck them.

So this Civvie vs P4P dichotomy is false.

SJG

The difference is in one scenario you're spending money on someone you're in a committed relationship with. In the other you're paying to fuck and for a gfe as the relationship is purely contingent on you paying for it.

Yes, but here you are trying to impose rules about sex between consenting adults.

Civvies will sometimes move as fast as pros.

And most of the time pros do want on going relationships if they become available.

Women just have to go with what is available, make do the best they can. The fast action full pro-mode is just a survival tactic. But it does turn into erotic art.

Anyway, you know the girl and are with her, you can steer it whatever way you want.

SJG

Hookers want regular customers.

Women want on going male attention. And most of the time women are getting money, material support, and social opportunities from the men they fuck.

SJG

Mexico City
http://doxyspotting.com/?p=70423

The White Stripes - Jolene. Glastonbury 2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX8piT5l…

No. You know as long as it's contingent on money it's p4p. Spending money on a girl is different from paying her for sex

Most women are not just getting money spent on them, they are also getting money and material benefit, from the men they fuck.

SJG

You're trying to say paying hookers is the same as spending money on and financially helping a woman you have a relationship with. It isn't

It can be whatever way you want it to be.

Pros will have had lots more partners than civvies, it really comes down to what you want.

The ones I call, "The Beloved Latina Escorts", have earned their status for good reason.

SJG

You can fool yourself into thinking iys whatever you want it to be but it's just paying a hooker to fuck. And any naivette about that puts you in a position to get fucked over

ICEY, I am sorry to have to say this. You are still young, the same age as the women who dance in Strip Clubs and work in Hostess Bars. These women will always be the same age, but you will not be. Eventually you will be as old as their fathers. At that point things will look different to you. For one thing, most of the time women are not usually open about what they are thinking. They try to make things go the way they want covertly. They want the guy to think he is leading it, but really they are.

So while it usually is not constructive to challenge them head on, this does not mean that you should take them at face value. Most of the time it is best just to play along with them.

Neither Civvie Mode or Pro Mode really tells you what they are like.

SJG

Seven Nation Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbe…

You're right.

Women do things indirectly, rarely saying what they are thinking.

SJG