If women paid men for private dances
Consider reversing the roles.
If women paid men for dances, one has to create a mental picture of the kind of female customer that a (hypothetical) male dancer would have to have, to equate with the apparent level of dislike, hate, disrespect, and disgust that many female dancers seem to have for their typical male customers.
Now most men wouldn't need much money to "dance" for a random group of women, as most men are natural horndogs of various sorts, however to put it on par with the way women consider this job: this would be the customer:
Lets say 99% of your customers would be an overweight, egostical, not particularly bright, usually with bad breath, often foul smelling, plain to outright ugly female with sometimes with a mean and rotten personality included as a bonus, let say ages 35 and older AND to complete the mental picture riding the scooter at Walmart (no offense to truely disabled) - the ones that can walk or STEP out of their cars and get in their personal scooter or use the Walmart provided scooter after walking from their cars.
THIS is how (I believe) a good portion (probably most on the pink site) see their TYPICAL male customer, regardless of age, what he looks like, acts like, smells like, or how much money or charm he has.
As this hypothetical male dancer who dances for women ask yourself this then: lets say one of these customer happens to have lots of money and they like you so they select YOU, so you end up giving lots of dances over many months, which in many states means extended makeout sessions -possibly with light or heavy extras. You have to compliment them, laugh at their jokes, charm them, tell then every lie that you think you can get away with, do almost anything they say -then when they are not in the club, you got dozens of random female customers you must dance with to pay tip out/house fees and make some profits. Keep in mind, you never selected THEM, and to turn down clients for most dancers in practical terms would put their entire earnings stream at risk.
Your entire income is to a large degree based upon not only on your physical appearance and your charm and salesmanship, but on your ability to lie and deceive convincingly to customers as I've described above.
Now the above (role reversal) scenario while exaggerated to make the point, is I believe close to reality for many female dancers. Note the dancer in the pink site who says after dancing with 4000 guys, there were about 3 or 4 (or whatever) she was actually attracted to, the rest she couldn't stand or barely tolerated.
If you keep in mind this mental picture, I think one can then understand the way typical dancer chicks think of most male customers
If women paid men for dances, one has to create a mental picture of the kind of female customer that a (hypothetical) male dancer would have to have, to equate with the apparent level of dislike, hate, disrespect, and disgust that many female dancers seem to have for their typical male customers.
Now most men wouldn't need much money to "dance" for a random group of women, as most men are natural horndogs of various sorts, however to put it on par with the way women consider this job: this would be the customer:
Lets say 99% of your customers would be an overweight, egostical, not particularly bright, usually with bad breath, often foul smelling, plain to outright ugly female with sometimes with a mean and rotten personality included as a bonus, let say ages 35 and older AND to complete the mental picture riding the scooter at Walmart (no offense to truely disabled) - the ones that can walk or STEP out of their cars and get in their personal scooter or use the Walmart provided scooter after walking from their cars.
THIS is how (I believe) a good portion (probably most on the pink site) see their TYPICAL male customer, regardless of age, what he looks like, acts like, smells like, or how much money or charm he has.
As this hypothetical male dancer who dances for women ask yourself this then: lets say one of these customer happens to have lots of money and they like you so they select YOU, so you end up giving lots of dances over many months, which in many states means extended makeout sessions -possibly with light or heavy extras. You have to compliment them, laugh at their jokes, charm them, tell then every lie that you think you can get away with, do almost anything they say -then when they are not in the club, you got dozens of random female customers you must dance with to pay tip out/house fees and make some profits. Keep in mind, you never selected THEM, and to turn down clients for most dancers in practical terms would put their entire earnings stream at risk.
Your entire income is to a large degree based upon not only on your physical appearance and your charm and salesmanship, but on your ability to lie and deceive convincingly to customers as I've described above.
Now the above (role reversal) scenario while exaggerated to make the point, is I believe close to reality for many female dancers. Note the dancer in the pink site who says after dancing with 4000 guys, there were about 3 or 4 (or whatever) she was actually attracted to, the rest she couldn't stand or barely tolerated.
If you keep in mind this mental picture, I think one can then understand the way typical dancer chicks think of most male customers
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I'll bet not very many of you guys have had the horrific experience of attending a Chippendales show. Egad - those women act like sex starved idiots who have never seen a man before - and many of them fit that lovely description that David9999 outlined. A "reverse" scenario, with the oiled up, gay boy-toy & the old, overweight housewife would be a very real possibility. Disgusting....but very possible.
And that pink site is horrible...I stopped posting there ages ago, and don't even bothering reading it anymore. I even lost interest in the blue side, since some dancers felt the need to come over there and throw their $.02 into the mix. I think I'll stick with you guys over here.
Exactly, it doesn't matter as the act or business deal is itself so innately repulsive and is only being tolerated by most dancers because the benefits of the money exceed their personal disgust. Selling their bodies to be groped, fondled, licked, or kissed in a sexual manner for money even w/o outright sex is a very difficult undertaking for the majority of dancers.
Males obviously have far less difficulty in having such acts done to them by random women in exchange for money, which is precisely why to make a comparable case, my hypothetical had to present an extremely unattractive profile of the comparable female customers the man would be required to dance with.
This is of course consistent with innate gender differences and basic biological design where females as the arguable gate-keepers of sex tend to be relationship-centric and highly selective in choice of males, whereas males as sexual predators tend to be goal-centric and relatively unselective and volume oriented in regards to female mates
Lopaw - please note such words as "most" "have far less difficulty" "tend". Nothing I've said in the above paragraph on basic gender differences is anything even controversial. Of course there are exceptions and I've indicated that. If one knows a 4 ft man and a 6 ft woman, does that mean that most women are taller tham most men?
You need to separate personalities and human interaction from the JOB. As Chandler said, women are much more pragmatic about sex than men are and it is therefor much easier for them to compartmentalize. For some reason most guys can't seem to figure this out...
Now some customers could actually in fact be labeled repulsive as the term is generally defined by typical females. That is another issue.
My original post refers to a presumption that I believe is useful to utilize as a starting point with any dancer. Now that said, this presumption can be rebutted with certain times with certain dancers, and I've see various posts from others on this site referring to interaction with the dancer by the customer that suggests that could in fact be happening, and I too have noticed it with certain dancers.
One can argue this is all irrelevant anyways, its simply about how well they sell the fantasy. That may work for some customers but not work for others, and I believe its the later group (yes, some might be tagged game players or thrill seekers or whatever) - that could find it useful to understand the way most dancers think.
That's when it can be alot of fun when a customer senses that, however its got to be damn good acting for those us having higher than average ability to judge veracity.
Interesting question to brainstorm, however not sure how that would be possible. Notice that when a club patron is solicited for a dance, they sometimes can end up with an absurd choice. If they say no, they can be labeled a cheap bastard. If they say yes, they can be called a sick pervert. Maybe these guys that just handout 50's or 100's for the hell of it, and buy overpriced drinks - have the right idea, assuming their real thrill is just watching the stage show, absorbing the strip club vibe, and socializing with the various dancers.
I currently give dances to my SO, upon her requests. We pretend we're in a male (hetro) strip club. I start out giving her a lap dance in her living room. She then wants to go private (VIP). We adjourn to the bedroom for the private LDs. I do make her tip me though, with her money!
It's just fun and games, but very rewarding!