Do you think PUA's are the male version of female strippers(SWs)?

I've posted this elsewhere, but a very good friend is a top copywriter who used to run in those circles. He's on a first name basis with a lot of the big names.

1. Most of them couldn't get laid in Tijuana with a fistful of greenbacks. With exactly 1 (one) exception, they are emotionally needy and seek the validation of attention from beautiful women, or they feel inadequate. A lot of them go years without sex.
2. They look like freaks, act like freaks, and when they do get laid it's because they found an equally emotionally damaged, desperate woman in the club. They get kicked out of places for dressing like stage magicians.
3. They hate women, and especially hate themselves. They develop "one-itis" easily for damaged, crazy women. Look up the "meetup of doom" to see how they really behave.
4. A lot of them rent models, or stage "pickups" to make themselves look skilled. Half the ones I've seen, they brag about kissing a woman in 10 minutes, when it's more of an ambush kiss than an affectionate one.
5. They can't hold real jobs, so they flit from scheme to scheme. When they fail as PUAs, they go on to concoct "foolproof" stock trading programs or exercise routines or become business "gurus." They go from failure to failure.

Maybe they are like strippers, the lower end of the bunch.

5-You hit the nail in the head. Why do you think is that? I did see a lot of them doing the whole stock's mentoring..etc.

Strippers dance and take their clothes off for money. Them being nice to you while doing it is just good customer service. Its not their job to fuck you. If you lack the social skills and common sense to realize that then......

Good comparison. I wrote something like this in one of the PUA blogs one time, Roissy aka Chateau Heartiste, and the proprietor did a whole post where he took my comment and attacked it. When I tried to respond in the comments, I found I had been banned on a permanent basis. For someone who is such an Alpha male, he certainly seemed very thin skinned and touchy. I think the fact that he wouldn't get into an exchange with me is a sign he was in a bit of denial.

I noticed this similarity between PUA types and strippers when I started reading a site for strippers, stripper web, and noticed the advice given was somewhat like the advice given on the PUA blogs. For example, they both say you should act like a high value person, act like you are the prize and maintain an aloof attitude. Any guy who goes to strip clubs knows that only the really attractive girls could get away with that and if an average or below average girl tried it then it wouldn't work. Pretending to be a hot girl isn't going to make all the customers think you really are one and the same thing would be true about PUA types in their interactions with women.

There was a period when there were a lot of PUA books and blogs but the numbers have declined in recent years. Partly this is because average guys who tried to follow the advice found it had limited usefulness. Some of it was of value but too many guys expected a magic formula they could use instead of making the effort to improve their appearance, personality or financial situation. Others realized that changes needed to be made at the societal level involving things like excessive welfare or affirmative action for women or unfair divorce laws that benefit women and the focus should be put more on that.

PUAs are guys who value money more than their time. I’d rather cut to the chase and pay. Neither of us are building long term relationships. I just don’t really get or respect the PUA scene just like they probably don’t respect johns

strippers have something their targets want and is willing to pay for. PUA's have nothing their targets want.

The PUA's i have met are miserable failures wrt women and sex. They go through elaborate rituals and stalking techniques and explain away the failure as their choice. it is sad. they could succeed if they just grew a set of balls and approached a woman without being creepy. Not every time but more often than with the nonsense they do now.

twenty years ago a friend was attending PUA seminars. He brought me as his wingman in training to a few. I think the idea was to hook me and have me spend for the good stuff and not be a wing man anymore. He tried to convince me I would be getting laid every night, for free. he hadn't been laid in a couple of years. months of following the PUA system had not changed that. he refused to go the pro route.

His luck turned around when he finally followed my advice. he borrowed a testicle and walked up to a woman he wanted to meet and said 'Hi, my name is C. May I buy you a drink and chat with you for a few minutes?" He had dinner with her the next night at her place. He fucked her a few days later. they dated for almost a year. he tells me all the time i gave him the best advice ever. walk up, introduce yourself, make your offer. keep it simple and don't give a shit about the ninety nine rejections. enjoy the one success.

Woman equivalent of a PUA is a gold digger IMO, which certainly has overlap with strippers. A woman “PUA” just wants one thing from a man, and will employ many manipulative tricks to meet her goal. Tricks which will burn bridges long term.

@docsavage Great comment, why do you think a lot of PUA's have an obsession with becoming an alpha male? It seems like vague concept. Even if alpha male where real it seems like it would be very narrow where very few guys if at all would fit the definition.

Everyone want to be alpha until the gun comes out.

@Beat, most of these guys never fit in, never developed their personality to make themselves attractive to women, so they developed this snobbish narrative where they're superior to this society that never "got" them. Part of that inability to function, is that they can't hold honest work. So, they scheme "easy" ways to get money just like they scheme "easy" ways to get into a woman's pants. That's also why they're drawn to alt-right theories and juvenile interpretations of Nietzsche, or blame "society" for their lot in life, because they're failures.

I know one who is doing just that, creating a stock trading course when he's never made a nickel in the market. I've invested/traded for 15 years, worked for investment banks and hedge funds, and don't consider myself qualified to.

@Docsavage, Roissy is central casting for what I just said to Beat. A little incel bitch underneath it all. Also, I just like women. I like dating and SC-ing for different things.

@Beat, part 2, the wannabe "alpha males" are validation-seeking losers. Anyone who unironically calls themselves an "alpha male" and is not a wolf, should legally prohibited to reproduce.

Youre out of touch with reality. Stripping is a job. There are set prices per dance rules schedules etc. Its not girls going to a club to pick up men

@Tetradon Great response. Honestly, the more I got involved in that world the more I started to dislike it. I also did know some of these guys were closed homosexuals as well, if you watch "black pill" videos they start to talk about this topic. Moreover, the alt-right is another ugly overlap. It seems to me Roosh was surrounded by all sorts of "misfits" with different agendas and he just rolled with them for his aim to get attention and press.

My main disagreement with them is that similar to you, I'm attracted to women, therefore, i don't feel the need to bash them. Although, it is becoming less popular why do you think if one googles "dating advice" it inevitable leads you to PUA sites? Why is the "manosphere" such a loud group?

Black pill? You mean incel.

The whole pua thing doesn't work. Its socially awkward men trying to convince women to fuck them. You don't convince women you get them to have feelings. Its about emotions.

@Beat, I don't watch "black pill"/MGTOW content. It has nothing to offer me. There are non-PUAs in the dating community, but a lot of them refer their lists to PUAs just for the referral cash. Which is dishonest. It's the Yuppie Nuremberg defense. As far as I'm concerned, that makes them all guilty.

Who was it that said those who speak the loudest are those with nothing to say? They want validation from men (money, esteem, attention) just like they want it from women. Filling that emotional black hole. I dabbled in that shit for a while, then I worked on my confidence, style, fitness, sociability, all that stuff for which "game" is a shortcut.

I don't pretend to be some god with women, but I'm happy with where dates and pros are in my life. I love women, and love a variety of interactions with them.

PS - Roosh went hardcore Catholic, sex-only-for-procreation-in-the-missionary-position-without-pleasure-to-the-woman medieval kind. From one extreme to the other, symptom of an unhealthy mind.

The male version of a female stripper is a male stripper.

The PUA gurus (the guys who made actual money off it) just followed the same self help guru playbook that’s been around for decades. They were also a lot better at using the internet early on, so they were some of the first “influencers” (before that became a well known term). I don’t see a connection to strippers there.