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There's been a nice discussion, multiple times, about paying in advance.
Recent trip to Detroit. Almost EVERY girl asked me to "take care of them before the VIP fun. ( FC, LS, etc.)
Is this the new normal?
Recent trip to Detroit. Almost EVERY girl asked me to "take care of them before the VIP fun. ( FC, LS, etc.)
Is this the new normal?
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It appears to me that dancers ripping off custies is much more common than custies ripping off dancers - no doubt the latter does happen but it seems non-payment is usually not at the top of stripper complaints (when I used to read StripperWeb.com I read plenty of dancer complaints but non-payment for services-rendered wasn't mentioned often).
Subis, flight club ( multiple girls) landing strip ( 3 out of 4)
If it’s something larger like a VIP tho, I feel like that’s fair though. I think a lot of clubs themselves mandate that so a dancer doesn’t have to enforce a thing?
Speaking of ROB customers, some dude told me like an hour ago he was going to write me a check for $3k to do dances. I asked him if he was thinking about coming back to the club, and he said yes. And politely told him that another day when his card is working would work better then. But apparently a couple of dancers went for it and are talking about it right now. 😅 Hopefully I’m wrong and he’s just an eccentric dude with $8k to blow, but somehow I doubt it.
My thought w.r.t. most clubs that ask for payment upfront is bc they want their cut - I don't think they are that concerned about the dancers.
In the Los Angeles area, there are a few clubs (like Deja Vu and Wet Spot in the Valley) that have timed meters in each dance booth. The dancer can't/won't start until the minimum cash goes into the meter, and she will stop once time has expired.
This solves some problems, but not all:
Solves:
- # of dances disputes - all sessions are time based, regardless of when a DJ cuts off or changes a song
- Dancer called to the stage during your dance. The system tells the DJ she is busy and her spot is skipped while she's in a private dance.
- No freeloader PL's who can't pay for multiple dances requested and delivered.
Does not solve:
- PL fails to pay additional tips for any additional service. These funds are still paid directly to the dancer, so the system is not aware and can't help protect either the dancer or the PL
- Dancer fails to deliver any additional services promised beyond the dance itself.
I now prefer the metered clubs as it reduces MUCH of risk of ROB's miscounting or air dances, as well as bouncers miscounting dances. I can always pay for the minimum when want to test drive a new dancer - usually one "dance" time segment and then bail if I don't like what I get. But it also means if I book a longer session, like a 30 minute VIP at Deja Vu ($150 most days) I will not get any refund back even if I decide I'm not happy after just the 1st minute. Once the cash goes in, it stays in.
Of course, the clubs manipulate the official time that equals a "song." That's how Deja Vu offers "10 dollar Mondays" and "Twofer Tuesdays." They set the song length from around 3 minutes to around 90 seconds. So the PL still pays about the same amount for the same total time. And the clubs call this "lying."
No. No that's not right. I call it lying. They call it "marketing!"
This is also why I prefer to take my Favorites to a 30-minute dance VIP, and skip single songs in the booth. 30 minutes will (hopefully!) always be 30 minutes.
If a dancer is demanding the money up front - and it isn't a club standard (so the club get's their cut) - she has been burned and/or is paranoid. At least in my experiences.
So from the get go, the terms are already contentious. Waste of time, move on to somebody else.
I know I am going to wrong a number of times but I'll gladly take that L compared to her stepping away to "freshen up" and just steal your money.
On a related note, I remember two times in a row going to VIP with the same girl, who didn't ask for payment up front, and having a really great time, and at the end both of us forgot about the money (yes believe it or not, she did, too). Luckily, I'm not the type to do a VIP and bolt. So we finish up and she goes to the dressing room, and I go to the bar for a wind down drink, and a few minutes later she comes running up to get her money.
Honest people are honest and opportunity or circumstance don’t change that.
Also, as far as dress is concerned, I work in software, so I generally wear a t-shirt or polo shirt and jeans.
I wear nice watches, but that is the only outward appearance that ai have money.
Like I said, I’ve done two hours straight floor dances with a dancer I have never seen before without flashing cash.
I was wearing a Rolex, but other than that, nothing about my appearance said that I have money. And it’s probably hard to tell the difference between a real Rolex and a fake one in a dark club.
Also, if you are going to stick with the same woman a while, stopping every few dances to catch up on money can be a hassle.
I guess I’ve been lucky and had a low rip off rate from customers, but it has happened. I’m a pretty trusting personality in general tho. I guess if I find a club where that’s a consistent problem, then I’ll bail out of there forever.
Best time being generally trusting paid off was when a customer owned something like $160 in dances, but I was called to stage. So I told him to come up to me and make it rain what he owed me. He was younger/thuggish so he enjoyed the chance to cover the stage in dollar bills and get attention. And I got higher tips from the general crowd than I normally would have. Total win/win 😁
When I am with a dancer for the first time, I have no idea how long I am going to keep her around.
For some dancers, it is going to be a single song,
For other dancers, it could be 10 to 20 songs.
For others, it could be a handful of dances before a trip to VIP. VIP in Arizona is done by the song, so I have no idea how long I am going to be with a woman there the first time we meet.
If I know someone, it’s a different story entirely.
I have had girls ask to just "show me the money" so to speak in my wallet and one time a dancer and I agreed to just set the $$ over on the little shelf until my beer until we were done.
Been a victim of a few ROB's as well who did not cum thru with the agreed upon course of action, the "overcounters" and the "add the per dance cost"........... goes with the territory.
As far as VIP goes I can't remember ever not paying the house upfront except on the rare occasions that they comped the room charge. Maybe 10 times I paid the dancer upfront for private dances and maybe half of those were rip offs that probably could have been avoided if I had made it clearer before going to VIP.
Normal "clean" dances are one thing because they are usually timed per song by a bouncer. If there were an instance where the dancer was trying to rob you or your questionable about the amount of songs spent in VIP, it could easily be refuted by going to the bouncer who is marking dances.
I have personally found during my time doing FS in Detroit, guys will often try to underpay the girls for their services. Common sense leads me to believe they may assume she's intoxicated or on some drugs and not completely coherent or herself. Or the customer is just a plain asshole trying to get a freebie.
Bouncers and managers will always deny that they know extras are happening for legality. Bouncers can only determine the amount you owe per song. For example, you and your dancer agree to $300 for FS, but you try to rip her off and give her $100 and you were in VIP for three songs, the bouncer will say you owe for those three songs and not whatever the determined price was. This is why, especially when extras are involved, we ask for money up front. I'm only explaining the most common thing that I have seen happen with other girls. Please don't do that though - even if the service wasn't up to your standards or met your expectations. An agreement is an agreement.
I hope that makes sense though. There are far too many customers who try to pull this shit on us in Detroit, so please understand that. We don't care if you say you're not like that or you're not going to do that. We hear that so many times every night from people who are constantly trying to pull this shit on us that it basically goes out the other ear.
If you're uncomfortable with paying upfront, let your dancer know that and at least show her that you have the money on you. In my own experience, I usually ask to see it before dances begin because I do see from a customer service aspect of how it can be perceived as rude to ask for the money up front and lead to negative reviews.
For what it's worth, all the clubs I worked at in Florida had the same rules about collecting up front. I noticed not many girls demanded money up front like they do in Detroit.
I hope this makes sense and you have a better understanding of why we usually ask for money up front. In no way am I claiming all customers are like this, but the majority is.
Dude, same! I have only ever had a customer walk out on me once. it happened so long ago that I don't even remember exactly how much money it was, but I know it was less than $100. I was still a baby stripper and the customer told me he had to go get the money from his friend who was in the crowd and he would bring it back to me. I was naive and believed him. I couldn't follow him because I was still getting dressed. It had only been about 5 minutes until I showed up at their booth, but he and his friend had walked out the door.
So now I stand in front of the customer when I'm done and start a conversation while I get dressed. I don't let them leave until they pay. I follow them if they have to get money from a friend, even if I'm still getting dressed along the way.
There have been a few times I've thrown customers up against a wall and I have hit a couple of customers who were being straight up assholes about paying. But since that one time, way back in 2013, when the customer walked out on me after a Thursday night home Red Wings game, I have always made sure I'm paid after the dances. I remember exactly what he looks like, too, because it pissed me off so much.
That one fucker walking out on me ruined me trusting customers who are trying to rush out of the room. #Detroit #PLs
Only one guy attempted to run out on me without paying after doing 14 songs (at $25 a pop). He came in with a group of friends and they were waiting on an Uber as we were finishing up. I guess the Uber arrived cause out on stage, his friends were starting to get up and walk out and he goes "Oh wait! Let me see if I can get money out the ATM." And I'm like, sure, let me get dressed real quick.
He quickly bumps me to the side and darts not for the ATM, but out the door to get in the Uber with his friends. Bouncer caught him just in time and he only had $90 on him and no bank cards. After arguing back and forth with the bouncer and I, his friends came back in the club and all of them had to pitch in some money to pay for the dances that he was going to try and steal.
At my local clubs in NE Florida, prepaying isn't very common. We're aware mongers frown upon pre-paying. But dudes like the one in my example are increasing the demand for said pre-paying.
It is. Cause the honest dancers (I'd like to think that all the active TUSCL dancers are some of them) are just trying to avoid the shitty PLs that have the intent to get away with service that they know the club isn't going to penalize them for, especially in areas where they seem more prevalent than other areas (Waffle and Sugar both vouching for Detroit is an example).
But then when honest dancers trying to avoid ROB custies are trying to make this agreement with honest custies that want to avoid ROB dancers, then no one is winning.
That's why I think the "show me the money" tactic is one good solution. Can't really think of any others other than some custies that pay as they go (agreeing to another song, then paying for it then instead of after.)
“Serve first, cash last” —see, not that difficult
I've only been ripped off on single dances. These days I try to do the prepay thing almost 100% of the time rarely bother wasting my time on post pay. I even play the 300 for half hour game in clubs with no time sessions or private rooms. Idgaf really.
Granted there's things one can do to minimize getting scammed. Ie stop working total dive shit holes where people go out of their way to scam the dancers. Don't dance for completely shit faced dudes unless u see the state of their wallet $$$ immediately before starting dances. If they are newbies treat them like kindergarteners and explain how payment works etc etc. A lot of my issues were from those things plus stacking dances like a mofo. I hate post pay. Imo post pay is trash mostly. Not big into stacking unprepaid dances neither these days.
Idk when I play my game esp with time sessions I just do a timer on my phone, dont start till we both settle in. Make sure to show customer timer and when I hit start so he sees I am legit.
If you want hookers just ask upfront if she is one. But don't be cheap and whine when all you get is the dance you paid for