OTC with a dancer who has a young child at home?

She pays for it with your money.

I generally assume the cost of the sitter is factored into the price she negotiates with me. No way I would ever pay extra for her to hire a babysitter unless the sitter is a hot 18+ that is going to join in.

She pays and swallows !!!!!

Not much OTC experience - but I would equate paying for the sitter analogous to paying for the VIP room ITC or a hotel for OTC - if I am paying what I consider a fair-offer then I rather pay for the sitter as to not cut into her profit and her not being happy and it possibly affecting performance - I generally assume I'm in a better position to take the extra hit - if I feel I'm already paying above what I feel is a fair-offer/going-rate then I'll probably be less apt to pay for incidentsls.

i.e. if I make an offer, I assume it's just for the service - if there's an additional cost/barrier to make it happen (VIP, hotel, condom, etc), I assume it's for me to pick up in order to make it happen

If she is paying for sitter she may cut session short to keep expense down. If you pay session may go longer.

The kid isn't your problem

I've had OTCs with strippers who have kids, but they always have family around to watch the kids, it seems like. If not, my general outlook is, I don't want to be bothered with anything to do with how she makes it to the OTC. I'm not paying for her manicure, her makeup, the uber, or her babysitter. If she wants those things paid for, I'll work with her to bury that into the OTC price. If she says "$400 for OTC, plus you pay for my babysitter $13/hour", I'd tell her "let's just do $465, you pay the babysitter out of that". Then I'd ask myself whether $465 was worth it -- starting to sound awfully expensive.

I'm trying to avoid:
- Her thinking she can now nickel and dime me on other costs she has
- Me not taking into account the true cost of the OTC because I think of the babysitter as separate thing
- Her being so disconnected from the babysitter fee that she drags out the OTC, and now our 7 hour date plus transit time means I owe her over $500 ... when $400 is what I'd initially wanted to offer.
- She has some car trouble on the way home from the OTC, it takes her hours to get home, and again, now I owe her $500

In short, don't take on any of her costs. Bake it into the OTC price one time, and leave it on her, or you will get punished for it eventually

I kinda misinterpreted the OP as if the sitter situation was something that came e up unexpected at the last minute - but it seems it's something she knew all along and wanted him to cover it - under those circumstances I would not unless I felt I was getting a very good deal to begin with and paying for the sitter still put me at a good/fair price point.

I do a lot of OTC, but until recently most of them were just tack on events on the back of club visits, so I guess the price of extending the sitter by an hour or so was simply baked into what I paid. Only a couple of times did a take a single Mom on a multi-hour excursion and I wasn't asked for sitter money then either, though she was already getting a nice payout.

Now would I rule it out? Not necessarily, especially if I'm lowballing her a bit and I'll be keeping her out a long time. But keep in mind too that most of these girls aren't actually single, so if you do decide to spring for the sitter as an add-on, be reasonably certain that it is necessary.

Idk. I prefer to just negotiate a number that I can live with but is good enough that she isn't feeling pressure to try to nickle and dime me for a little more. If I am already paying her a good chunk of money for an OTC outing, I'd probably hold the line there and tell her that it has to come out of her end.

"... so if you do decide to spring for the sitter as an add-on, be reasonably certain that it is necessary ..."

Of course it can be a fake sob-story where she just wants to pocket extra-$$$ while her BF or a family-member is actually watching the kid - but almost impossible to know what the truth is unless one insists on paying the sitter directly and even then

===> "...but almost impossible to know what the truth is unless one insists on paying the sitter directly and even then"

Agreed Papi, but after a while one develops good instincts about this stuff, especially with a CF. In any event, I also mentioned that if I am already paying a girl very good money, I'm inclined to hold the line. I guess the question for him is whether he's paying a deep pandemic discount or good money by any measure. IMHO he should consider stepping up if it's the former or just hold firm if it's the latter.

It is interesting that in many years of OTCing I've never run into this situation, I've had strippers with kids but they've dealt with babysitters however they dealt with it. Would definitely bug me if she made this my problem, by asking me to fund it etc

===> "It is interesting that in many years of OTCing I've never run into this situation, I've had strippers with kids but they've dealt with babysitters however they dealt with it."

I suspect it is because, as I mentioned above, few of these girls are actually single or paying a sitter. Unless you call the money that they spend to support these dudes as "sitter pay" lol.

Either they are married, or their family takes care of the kid, or another stripper takes care of them, or she hits you up for the cash. In my experience they normally figure that into their cost unless they are trying to scam you.

Remember as much of a ruthless asshole as you may think Rick is (and I think he really is a shithead cocksucker that needs his ass kicked) He is barely average compared to most veteran strippers.... their sole job is to separate you from your money

===> "Remember as much of a ruthless asshole as you may think Rick is (and I think he really is a shithead cocksucker that needs his ass kicked)"

Nobody wants to hear that shit from a pussy whose wife sucks dick in the VIP room. Sorry if her throat was a little damaged one night - she told me that she only had to suck a tootsie roll at home. And if you don't like any of that, feel free to volunteer to be the one to try to give me my much needed ass kicking.

Well douchebag, I'm not married so I assure you that was not my wife you were fucking.... And I'll be glad to give you that ass beating if you ever come out of hiding. LOL

I'll be in Jacksonville October 30th through November 1st

Tell me when your vast travels bring you to Atlanta.... I really don't give a shit where

And while I generally agree with Daddillac's comments about strippers trying to work an angel if they can, I don't demonize them for it. Grown men who are in control of themselves know what strippers are and how to put silly games to bed with minimal effort. After all, do you get mad at the dog and call it a hell hound for barking at the door when they hear someone near the house? Of course not, you just tell them to stop.

That was "angle" not "angel" lol.

OK daddilac, maybe she was just your SO - which is the same problem btw pussy. How were those sloppy 5ths?

Fuck dude, hiding? I'm a fixture in the SS J'ville clubs. I don't club on Bulldog weekend, but I'll definitely be up in Atlanta before then anyway. I'll let you know.

Fantastic.... I'll be ready..... I don't have an SO either. The only sloppy 5ths I've had was when me and my friends pulled a train on your wife. That time I had 3rd, 8th, and 13th

Then you were just making up stories about your SO working in a club. How pathetic.

You be ready Tiny Tim.

Calling average strippers "ruthless assholes." Even more pathetic than your made up stories. You should work on being less intimidated by women. No wonder you aren't married.

Oh you meant years ago... yeah you may have fucked her who knows everybody else did. AS for the ass beating I'm ready bitch

Look if you cannot handle the truth of who you are I doubt you are going to take this ass beating very well... Don't wear your white polyester suit, I doubt you will ever get your blood out of that

---> "Don't wear your white polyester suit, I doubt you will ever get your blood out of that"

You're right. Last thing I need is you bleeding all over it. ;)

As for Bulldog weekend I don't have to see you at a club.... I'll come by Saturday morning, drag your ass out in the front yard and beat you in front of your kids

Don't worry Daddilac, you'll get your ass handed to you long before that in ATL. I wouldn't want my kids to see me commit that kinda' violence upon someone else. Cuckold pussy, lol.

Fantastic, I'll look forward to hearing from you

Typically the girls I have met up with don’t include that in price negotiation. Now I would do a girl for 120 the next week she wants 150. No big deal I average it out and gauge price vs her performance (pics, dances, happy ending).

If you happened to read my article about The Sex Trade... "Back In The Day," you'll know that in my younger days I used to partake in the services of street prostitutes. The New York City hookers were mostly anonymous because they were so plentiful and in such great demand that you took whichever girl looked good when you drove down the street. But closer to my home in New Jersey, the Newark hookers were something very different, and it sometimes got a little more personal.

A few of them had so-called "pimps" but not pimps in the NYC style. They were more like drug dealers who the girls fucked for free, so that when they needed a heroin fix or a place to stay the night, they could make a phone call and get what they needed. Most of the girls were out on their own and they would try their best to turn a random trick into a "regular." That meant less risk for them, not having to get into the cars of unknown strangers. At least not as often anyway. I had several "regulars."

There were two pairs of sisters out there on the streets of Newark. One pair were a couple years apart in age. The other pair were identical twins. They were all hot, not what you might picture as typical streetwalkers. I used to hook up with all of them one-on-one until I got the idea that it would be fun to have a pair of sisters together. It was easy to set up - anything for money. My first were the "non-twins." I was really hoping they would get it on with each other, that would've been so hot. They didn't but they took turns fucking me and sitting on my face, back and forth several times. It was still hot as fuck, even if they didn't eat each other out like I had hoped. They started a fake playful argument about which pussy tasted better or felt better on my dick. Of course I stayed neutral on that question.

With the twins, they invited me over to their home which was a tiny one-bedroom basement apartment. Again, I wanted to have them both together, but there was a small child in the apartment, maybe 3 or 4 years old. I don't know which one of them was his mother. One of the sisters took me to the bedroom and we fucked for a while. When I asked about her twin sister, she left the room and took over babysitting duties while the other one came in to continue fucking me until I got off. Not exactly what I had hoped for, but it was still really great to have the both of them one after the other. It was like going to a steak house and having a ribeye followed by a filet mignon.

The part that was totally nuts (and kinda creepy) was that after I got dressed and paid the twin hookers for their services, as I was leaving, the little boy chased me across the kitchen and started grabbing my jacket. One of the girls said, "That's okay, he just wants a hug." WTF? I bent down and he hugged me like I was his daddy. Holy shit it was fuckin weird. I hooked up with those girls a few more times, but after that it was always at a motel. He seemed like a nice kid but I never wanted to see him again... ever.

After that first time in the apartment, I have no idea who was watching him while I was screwing his mother and aunt in the motel.

Honestly how does that become a negative?!?! Just fucking cover it. What I mean is of course the girl I go OTC with needs $ and what better reason she is taking care of a child at home. It means she cares and is doing what it takes to make her child's life better. Would you rather hook up with a girl who just selfishly wants that Gucci?

I just don't get how that becomes an issue

I've never had a girl ask me to cover the sitter. Most of the time, childcare arrangements don't come up at all. The only time they come up is when they endanger our plans. A couple times the sitter got sick, was late, or something else and she had to reschedule or was a bit late. Often times that sitter was family, a few times she had to watch someone elses kid and had to reschedule. Never "oh, I need a sitter so I need an extra $100" or something.

I'm pretty much the opposite of Rick in terms of scheduling though. I almost never take a girl from work or after work. They usually come see me instead of work. And its usually for a longer period of time.

I'm exactly the same -- I OTC the way you do rather than the way Rick does, and have had exactly the same experiences, I've never had a stripper ask me for an extra babysitter fee, but have had her need to cancel or be late because of the babysitter. And usually (actually, I think it's almost 100%, not just "usually") the babysitter is either her family or her "babydaddy".

I pay for the sitter directly when I drop my OTC date off at home. That does checks a few items for me: 1) I don't have to deal with the "only paid the sitter for x hours issue" 2) Removes the pocketing the sitter cash 3) A few times the sitter was interested in increasing her wages and worth more than the OTC date.

I havent done much in the OTC trade but Id pick the younger girls for OTC. Younger girls typically worked night shift because thats where the most money is to be made. That also means they are used to asking a friend or family member to watch thier kids.

Thank you all for your responses. I'll report back on what happens...if the OTC ever actually occurs :)