Scary new projection models for Covid but no talk of continuing shutdown
Lone_Wolf
Arizona
Interesting that there are new Covid death projection models showing hundreds of thousands will die from reopening yet the governor's show no appetite to keep the lockdown in place.
I think the country will reopen and this will just run its course unless there are visible dead bodies in the streets.
I think the country will reopen and this will just run its course unless there are visible dead bodies in the streets.
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No treatments coming online now should greatly reduce the deaths. Hospitalizations are going down everywhere. I don't think the models have any more credibility any more.
I’ve been out in the public since day one of this, every day... and starting late last week my state started easing restrictions. Up until this week people were being conscious to keeping the guidelines in place - business employees as well as most customers - now this week it’s off the chains. Since the easement into opening back up people have quickly relaxed their guidelines and it’s going to bite some people in the ass real quick.
We all gotta live, and that means work for most of us, but don’t be stupid. Stay safe, be smart.
And yes, the models will continue to produce updated numbers as we learn more about the virus and the level to which the general public various disease control measures.
You also can't "toggle" (as the moron governing CA suggested) an economy - it just doesn't work like that. Once the economy starts to open, a second shutdown will finish off a number of already teetering businesses. Also, states got away with it the first time mostly because of federal government largesse (stimulus check, unemployment and PPP loans). There is likely not much more of that coming either.
And we're not even talking about public sentiment here. Once things are loosened, there won't be too much public appetite for going back to lockdown mode, especially without all of that federal money to cushion workers once again sent home.
So moving forward states are just going to have to find a way to manage with more targeted measures. I think they realize all of this, which is why many states are dragging out the opening processes as long as they can.
I can’t even bring myself to call you guys Republicans because there is nothing in the way this is playing out that would have been considered Republican just a few short years ago.
I mean reality of wearing a mask to prevent the the spread of this virus is not giving up your freedom any more than preventing smoking in strip clubs or any other inconsistencies that you guys rant about here pretty regularly
Until we have answers, everyone is just doing the best they can.
I agree with that to a certain extent, but I still maintain that cooperation is just about nonexistent, you fellas keep talking about the tyranny of the majority, we’ll this is a perfect example of the opposite a loud minority trying to impose their will on all of us.
When you stop misrepresenting most of what I’ve written then we can have a serious conversation, I’m tired of y’all thinking anyone’s view that’s different from your own should shut up, maybe y’all should listen instead.
And for the record if the president would be a leader this shit would start to calm down but he is just a decisive demagogue advocating for no one but his own petard.
The real divide has been between Wall Street, which owned both parties, and Main Street that comprised of small and medium size businesses and the working class. Wall Street, government bureaucrats, and large corporations got rich by sending jobs to China and hollowing out Middle America.
It took 30 years for a politician to step forward and voice what 80% of the country was already seeing in their lives.
Trump is a crude, rude, narcissistic street fighter. He is also the first politician to truly stand up for the working man’s family since Reagan. His opponents thought his grab her by the pussy remark would shock his supporters. They didn't realize that if someone is protecting your family, you don’t give a shit about their table manners.
As set forth in our Constitution:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
While this makes things more difficult in times like this, it also benefits our everyday freedoms in too many ways to easily count. Inefficiency in our ability to coordinate a national response to a domestic emergency is one of the prices of our freedoms.
As far as "tyranny of the minority" is concerned, do you really believe that this is why states are opening back up? Besides the obvious response that nobody is stopping you from staying home and protecting yourself if you want, the reality is that states are opening up because they have no choice. If they keep it up much longer, they are going to run out of money. It's that simple.
Find a single record of any scholastic accomplishment, even an intra-mural sports participation.
As a person, he is a loud showman and I sometimes wish that his Twitter account would stop working. Also, I don't blame many old time New Yorkers (current and former) for not liking him as they know his history better than most, including his never-ending publicity stunts and his reputation for stiffing business partners and vendors. Back in the day, any vendor doing business with a Trump entity knew to collect as much as it could upfront and even now a lot of banks and professional investors won't get within a mile of any venture with the Trump name on it.
But as a President, he has kept his campaign promises *to the best of his ability*, including the tax cuts and renegotiating trade deals, promoted sweeping easing of administrative burdens imposed by an alphabet soup of federal agencies and has exercised great restraint in using the power of the office on American citizens.
So if I have to choose between Trump and Creepy Joe, who has grand plans to take over large chunks of the economy, at least when he can remember what his positions are, I have to hold my nose and vote for Trump again.