Coronavirus lockdown measures should not be lifted until vaccine found, Fox News

Lol... Faux news

Typical of Fox in that they say up front that it is a study and cite the source, unlike left wing news which always cites an "expert".

There's a big difference between lock down measures and social distancing measures. China/Wuhan is no longer under lock down but are still doing social distancing measures in the entire country. If lock down stays in place until a vaccine is created, billions will die from starvation and extreme poverty.

A vaccine is going to take much longer than a year. 18 months is with literally perfect conditions and results. More realistic is 5-10 years which is how long it takes on much simpler viruses. Even if you combined all the scientific might of the world and had them working with unlimited funding and manufacturing production (a big if for all conditions), i doubt a very safe and VERY EFFECTIVE vaccine is happening in less than two years. I say very effective because, an alarmingly large number (up to 30%) of recently recovered patients (mostly younger) in one "study" are not showing that they have a significantly high titer (antibody count) in their blood, which would make a vaccine dependent on antibody creation relatively useless for them. It also makes herd immunity very difficult just as it is with the common cold and flu. Now this was a Chinese study so take that with a big grain of salt, but still...

It's just not tenable to keep lockdown for the year or so that it will take to have a vaccine. But there's a zillion drugs in the pipeline that could drastically reduce mortality rates, including at least one that's promoted by world-leading epidemiologist DJT. All it takes is one of those to make a significant impact, and it's hard to see us staying locked down for longer. They will be proven out far faster than any vaccine, although revving up the supply chain is always a challenge

and at about the 8-10 month point we'll have more deaths from suicide and murder than the virus.

Well, we'll see how well hydroxycloroquine works as a treatment and as a prophylactic when it hits the Sub-Sahara hard. Millions of Africans use hydroxychoroquine right now either for malaria or to prevent from getting it. The drug is widely available and relatively cheap even there. So if it really is effective, there shouldn't be as many serious cases there despite an inferior hospital system. And we should witness this in weeks and not the months it will take for clinical trials of the drug...

^^ Dirk, it won't take. that long. They have already done a search of the 14,000 Lupus patients that are currently taking the drug. Not one of them is reporting to have contracted Covid 19.

This should be hitting the national news soon then as there's this one famous guy that just loves talking about it. Hopefully, this was a peer reviewed study, although what you describe sounds like a self-reported survey with no control. Why aren't they contacting the much more numerous and likely older population using the drug for rheumatoid arthritis? But even more hopefully, is that this is true, because then we can all get on with our lives.

Despite the world's leading epidemiologist and greatest ever at everything touting hydroxychlorquine, many less qualified epidemiologists seem to think there are more promising drugs. There's a whole bunch being studied

Quick google search led me to this:
https://creakyjoints.org/symptoms/lupus-…

There was also a study recently shut down because the side effects were so harsh, although that was with chloroquine rather than hydroxychlorquine.

Yes, there are more promising drugs and treatments like remdesivir which is limited in availability, requires injections and not pills and is still being extensively studied, and plasma containing antibodies which requires donations and one donation only treats at most 4 people. Also not all donations are equal as some recovered patients (mostly mild symptoms) have low or very low levels of the antibodies. There also talking about the creation of synthetic antibodies. They're many more drugs, but they're just being researched. They're not going to help the hundreds of thousands in hospitals right now and the immediate future to prevent them from progressing into more serious conditions. Maybe for the inevitable (?) second wave?

Right -- but the context of this conversation is not "how to help people in hospitals right now", but "what would it take to end the lockdowns". I'm pointing out that there's a lot of things that can happen before we have a vaccine in a year+. If I were a betting man, I'd bet we'd have one or more drug treatments well before there's a vaccine, and that's what will trigger broad relaxing of the lockdowns and social distancing, well before we have a vaccine.

Well all eyes are on China which has ended their lock down, South Korea which never fully locked down at all, as well as Taiwan, and now New Zealand and Australia which are just finishing theirs. Sweden is a country that refuses to lock down and seems to be trying for gradual herd immunity and there is talk in Australia about following that path now that they have a "manageable" number of cases. Germany "might" follow once they work though their huge number of cases as well.

It seems that a lot of countries are going to try to work around and through the pandemic, rather than trying to eliminate the virus completely like the first SARS, which might still be possible but just too expensive and too widespread to coordinate a true global cooperative effort.

But social distancing is going to be a part of life for a long time which bodes trouble for many many industries. No amount of stimulus might be able to save them. Really hope that strip clubs aren't one of them. I just had an article on this published, but that's just a bunch of speculation...

From what I've heard on TV, big-pharma thinks they can have a viable vaccine b/f the end of the year (not sure if that means it'd be ready for mass-vaccination around that time) - I don't think comparing a Covid-19 vaccine to other vaccines is necessarily apples-to-apples b/c everything including the kitchen-sink is being thrown @ Covid-19 around the world.

I would think the most viable step to at least partially opening the economy is widely available fast-testing to try and identify the segment of the population that can be out-and-about (particularly those that may already have antibodies).

Fool me once, shame on you.....

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Let things go back to usual; people will die; just like they always have in the past; society will adjust and overcome. Everything being done just delayes the day of r eckoning and makes it worse. Then again everyone in Government is getting paid whether they work or not and the party is happy.

@Warrior your claim about Lupus patients is plain bullshit. You should spend 30 seconds online and do some fact checking.

I saw it on CNN last night. It was kinda funny. The announcers thought the doctor was going to bash the drug. I don't know the doctors name. But he was saying he did the cross reference. Right after that doctor said that, the guys on CNN cut him off and changed the subject. You could tell the CNN guys didn't like the statement. I have no idea if that doctor knew what he was talking about. Again, that was last night.

Did anyone notice he’s talking on his phone wearing the gloves that touched his filthy cart? SMH..... my pet peeve

Im looking forward to when this is an annual thing and we just get smarter about testing, educating developing nations on proper eating habits, and equipping our healthcare system to better handle patients. I don't mean the downplay the amount of deaths, but this whole effort seems to be about limiting government/corporate liability instead of saving lives

Yes I am sure corporations are thrilled the economy was destroyed and the market driven lower. They predict 60,000 deaths over this by the end of August. Last time the United States lost that many people to illness was almost 2 years ago. If this became an annual thing there'd be war in streets. I don't know if its just me, but despite news reports here that we are not even at our peak I am seeing 3-5 times the amount of activity I was ten days ago.

This morning I found the unpublished French study that started the hydroxycloroquine rumor.
26 test subject. 20 completed treatment and where cured with 100% success.
And no shit, this is apparently the conclusion they tried to publish?
Because, ya, WTF happened to the other 6? well, one didn't finish treatment cause, um, HE DIED. 4 others discontinued because they ended up in the ICU.
Pretty close to the same results people are getting staying home with Tylenol?

This may not result in high numbers of deaths. Daily new infections are declining in Italy. It appears the disease may look for and infect people with weakened immune systems while passing over healthy people. Once it has found and infected the subcategory of susceptible individuals new cases decline. The shutdowns may just spread the number of infections and deaths out over a longer period of time rather than decreasing them. What this means for strip clubs is people may not be at high risk while visiting them in the future though the clubs will have to worry about eager lawyers filing lawsuits for the people who do become infected. We have 60,000 people who die every year from the flu but people haven't been avoiding strip clubs up until now because of that.

Wasn't it just last week they told me it was just like the flu, and this was a big Democrat hoax?

"... What this means for strip clubs is people may not be at high risk while visiting them in the future ..."

Strip clubs get lots of older guys (50+) many of whom have underlying conditions - not sure I understand your premise

"Strip clubs get lots of older guys (50+) many of whom have underlying conditions - not sure I understand your premise."

I can see what you are saying. The general population wouldn't have to worry much about visiting a club. Those between 60 and 70 have a two thirds lower death rate from the disease than those over 70. For those between 50 and 60 the death rate is even lower. In Italy, one of the hardest hit countries, the average age of death was 78. Ninety percent of those deaths involved people with other health problems. There aren't a lot of guys in their seventies in the clubs. The ones who are that old should reconsider going, especially if they do have health problems. A healthy person in their fifties or early sixties shouldn't worry a lot. Many of the people in that age group who have serious health problems probably aren't going to clubs. They can't work and are on disability and can't afford to go. I do think there are enough older guys with health problems who will decide not to go that it will cause a problem for the clubs. I'm 63. I probably won't go until July just to be safe and once I do go I won't go as often as I did before. This seems like a good time to find other hobbies.

"This seems like a good time to find other hobbies."

Sad, but probably true.

What other hobby involves sucking on titties and having a hot-chick squeeze your dick?

I believe America will re-open in May with the rationale that hospitals now have the equipment to handle the influx.

The country will eventually become fatigued from all the bad Covid news and will quit listening or reacting to it.

Once reopened, I think it will be very unlikely the government will shut it down again.

I live in NJ, a densely populated state (in the northeast of the state). It’s a small state, with a population of 9 million. However, Wuhan is a city of 11 million. How can social distancing measures be used when folks live on top of each other? Maybe I’m missing something, but China has created these mega cities, and Wuhan isn’t even large by comparison.

I heard that they think the tri-state area breakout started around February and they believe it came from Europe vs China.

Also heard the California may not be being hit as hard due to herd-immunity - supposedly Cali had a very-bad flu-season last year and the "theory" is that bad flu episode may have been undiagnosed Corona.

But these are just theories AFAIK.

A flu season from Last year? Does that mean that the virus didn't originate out of Wuhan?

Papi, I heard about the NY source being Europe as well. It’s a small world, but it makes sense simply because of proximity, and possibly travel.

I’m still unsure of how distancing will continue after things reopen. Maybe occupancy limits will be cut in half?