In your opinion, what is the ideal dancer turnover?
I had a discussion with somebody once, where the other person said that if they were to run a club, they would do small things to keep girls around. I was skeptical, and figured some amount of toxicity probably helps the club. I may not like being on the receiving end of unfair management BS, but hey it is what it is.
Just like many dancers don’t like it walking into the club, and seeing the same crew of non-spending club regs to start the shift. I’m sure there’s patrons who wouldn’t want to walk in and see the same dancers they are already either bored of or fed up with either.
There are some clubs that seem to have a lot of long-term dancers who just stick with it and more importantly love it. I personally know of Baby Dolls Dallas and King of Diamonds Inver Grove Heights. Both are VERY different style clubs, but one thing both have in common are multiple older dancers who have worked that club for years and are still happy to be there. And they are very nice even though they don’t have to be.
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If there’s a “main club” for you—assuming that the lineup has the same level of friendliness, attractiveness, and costs for dances, etc—how much would *you* like to see with fresh faces most of the time you walk in? 10% new girls you have never seen? 25%? 50%?
Just like many dancers don’t like it walking into the club, and seeing the same crew of non-spending club regs to start the shift. I’m sure there’s patrons who wouldn’t want to walk in and see the same dancers they are already either bored of or fed up with either.
There are some clubs that seem to have a lot of long-term dancers who just stick with it and more importantly love it. I personally know of Baby Dolls Dallas and King of Diamonds Inver Grove Heights. Both are VERY different style clubs, but one thing both have in common are multiple older dancers who have worked that club for years and are still happy to be there. And they are very nice even though they don’t have to be.
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If there’s a “main club” for you—assuming that the lineup has the same level of friendliness, attractiveness, and costs for dances, etc—how much would *you* like to see with fresh faces most of the time you walk in? 10% new girls you have never seen? 25%? 50%?
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If it is 4-6 months between visits - 25% could be interesting
However I don't want this to be at the cost of shitty unfair firings.
But making a general statement I'm good with a 10-50% turnover rate and I hope all my faves or potential faves never leave the clubs I go to. Being an extreme regular I still like to see new faces but I'm not too picky about it since I usually have faves that I don't vary much at all.
Also by my observation of clubs out here the turnover rate does vary by club. In general it seems that the strippers that do well stay with the same club longer and those that don't move on. But there's also a bit of club politics going on. Dancers in good with the management stay around longer too and this isn't necessarily tied to how well they do.
There are dancers who are long term - and they have their regulars, and that seems to work for the base - and to cover certain consistent costs.
Then there are clubbers who want a mix of consistent dancers (who are still hot and good looking) - and variety with new dancers. I’m thinking that would be about 20-30% of clubbers.
Then there are once in awhile guys and weekend parties. They don’t have knowledge of the club line up - so anything might seem new to them.
Tale of two local clubs a few blocks apart. Club A had, for a long time, a stable corp of a half dozen dancers. Reliable, solid entertainers. Kept any dancer conflict confined to the dressing room. Helped 'induct' new dancers into the 'unwritten' rules and flow of the club. In other words, helped make sure things ran smoothly w/o mgmt interference. Problem dancers were isolated / shunned and quickly departed.
Club B also had dancers who'd work there for years but they were a temperamental lot given to repeated conflicts with other dancers, management, and, even, customers. Not very reliable in keeping to schedules, leaving management scrambling to fill the void in their absence. Sometimes this club was exciting with a party atmosphere. Sometimes you could 'cut the tension with a knife'. Minutes away from an explosion of conflict among dancers and perhaps dancers and mgmt. Out on the floor, rarely confined backstage. Bouncers and sometimes LE escorting dancers out of the club.
Best approach to Club B in these circumstances: Write off the cover, walk right out again and go to Club A for the evening.
There is one club in town that's had 2-3 of the same girls on day shift for years, maybe over 10 years. And I've only ever taken one of them up on a trip to the back. But, damned, she's a freaking pro. It's rare for me to finish with just a BJ, but she'll get it done like that in 2 songs or less, with protection. But every time she acts like she remembers me, and I've been there like 4-5 times over 6-7 years... And I can't imagine there's anything remarkable enough about me for her to remember.
And there are a few other stand out that have disappears over the years from local clubs that I miss. And a few others that I've met once, and not sure enough I'd recognize them again, but wish I could repeat.
But for the most part, I could give a fuck.
If anything, while traveling, going to different clubs 2-3 nights in a row, first time I've been there and probably never come back. I honesty have no idea what the turnover is, but wish it was high enough those girls didn't all have there regulars to stick to, at least some of them...
I would say ideal turnover is about 25 percent of girls every 3 months, and about half the girls to change every year.
I don't club enough to have a real good take on this, but I wish my main club had less turnover.
A good dance is a good dance, but the best I've had were from repeats.
25% turnover per 3 months sounds about right, my club is easily twice that.
Seems it comes down to those that are into faves, and those into variety; and it seems regular-SCers seem to prefer the faves-model although it's not universal.
Me being in the variety camp, I actually prefer to see all new faces that I have not tried b/f - rarely do I go to a club hoping to hook up w/ a specific dancer I've been w/ b/f - the feeling of experiencing someone new does more for me that repeating w/ someone I've been with.
In the extreme if given a choice of 100% same-faces, or 100% new-faces, I choose the latter - as a matter of practicality I guess a 50/50-ratio would work for me as that would give me a good # of new-targets to pursue, and a good # of dancers that I would know on their ability to deliver a good time.
New faces at a club are always good, because there is always going to be popular dancers who leave.
- When I first started SCing there in 2009, girls would stay for a loooong time. In a typical dayshift shift of 8-10 girls, each time I'd go, maybe 2 new girls each time I showed up? 10%-30% turnover? I loved it at the time, but in retrospect, the level of cliqueishness and drama between the girls was high and spilled over to customer
- In the past few years, with all the changes to SF clubs, the employee law, etc., I'm taking fewer trips (once a month or less), but turnover is typically 80%-100%
I definitely don't like the crazy turnover today, where I typically only know one or two girls each time I go. The sense of club culture has weakened as well -- 10 years ago, you were reasonably assured of a certain level of hustle and contact, now it's less certain, though a thread of club culture still exists among some girls. I think something like 25% turnover is good, enough new faces to potentially be pleasantly surprised with a newbie each trip, and at this rate, there's less chance of long-term cliques and enmities to rise up