Visits Before Stars Align

3.14 visits

I see a market for PL-agents, similar to sports-agents, that are experts OTC closers

People have posted about that happening when she has had a fight with her BF, but then it is FS-iTC and she really goes all out.

But I never talk to women as though they are prostitutes. I treat them as I would any other woman.

SJG

the magic 8 ball says: just open your wallet, and she will appear

Try da lot lizzards in Omaha

Some have changed their minds the same night and others years later.

^^^ Got some pictures of Lot Lizards?

SJG

1st LD or bust

I' m not much of an OTCer - but it seems one has a better-shot if one becomes an ITC-regular for a bit and not only builds a rapport, but she'll develop a taste for your regular -$$$ and may not wanna jeopardize that by not doing OTC and have you go look for someone else and also taking your regular-$$$ w/ you

If you have orange hair you could grab her by the pussy

invite her to come to your motel room and do a Bill Cosby on her

This will make visit 4 if I'm not mistaken. I have got her outside the club for dinner once and that was after the second visit I believe.

I need another hair recommendation LOL I'm typically rocking a bald cut.

Just be direct w/ her - if she needs the $$$ bad-enough she'll contact you perhaps to come-in ITC - tell-her you wanna see her OTC instead - in the end OTC is far from an exact-science and seems to often have a high-failure-rate - sometimes a PL has to decide whether it's better to just pursue greener-pastures and not get fixated on OTC w/ a particular chick b/c it may never happen - you can still try, but don't put all your OTC-eggs in one-basket.

Psychedelic Jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331p9WRn…

SJG

1X

Texting her multiple times...taking her out to dinner with no sex...it seems you're doing everything you can to prevent it from happening. If you haven't already gone into the needy category in her head, you're well along the short ramp to it.

Honestly I don't know if this can be salvaged now, but IMHO if you want any chance of salvaging it you're going to have to blow her off for a while and be seen spending your wad on someone else. Play it cool and simple if she comes by, letting her know that it is good seeing her but that you're visiting [insert dancer name] today. If she wants to bring you back around, she'll figure out what she has to do and if she doesn't then it's on to the next one.

@rickdugan
That's the route right now. I did try for the sex on our dinner date not necessarily stating it as business, but failed.

Don't know if it was the positive thinking (because I was just rolling the dice she might be there) as I drove on the interstate to the club, but she did text saying she had been out of town and she'd be at work tomorrow night. I proposed making something happen tonight, but she said she was already in bed.

It is closing in on the first of the month. Rent due, so money talks louder. Make the offer, but let her know you need a quick response since others are interested. First one to show up gets the prize.

Im by no means an expert but almost every time ive done it was after one epic visit, two visits in one case. Either theyre down or theyre not is how i see it. Some of these chicks will skillfully string dudes along for years just to keep them coming back. If you want p2p you need to be clear about it. Theyre professionals and theyre going to see you as a customer so you mine as well know your role and make her an offer. Sounds like you tried to hook up with her on a dinner date and she wasnt into it, prob sol here buddy. Follow dugans advice.
Oh and if youre waiting for the stars to align to pay a stripper for hotel sex... even the combined brainpower of the tuscl “otc agents” cant help you lol
i mean whats your endgame here?

Always keep in mind you're a customer. You may be on great terms- you're still a customer. Closed mouths don't get fed so speak your mind. The stars are out every night of the week

Yeah rickdugan advice is what intending to do. My in-game was to get her OTC p2p. However it doesn't look like that may be the case. On my last visit with her, I specifically asked if she's cool meeting outside the club to hang out and we keep it in the club too. It seems though she wants more or all of in the club.

I'll probably give it a couple of more visits if not just one because I don't plan on doing just VIP with her because I think she expects or believes that's our norm.

On another note I was able to get a stripper I just met tonight by only floor dances outside the club for an early breakfast. It was just cool interaction. We didn't even exchange numbers or hug and I dropped her off at home.

Ricky Boy Dugan, the proponent of the retarded “System,” is the last person you should be listening to. https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=6309… He still claims it works, so what happened to his recommendations to never buy dances, wear a three piece suit, and pretend to be a chemical engineer?

Don't be desperate. She knows you're interested. Let her reciprocate if she chooses to. I'm personally not into selling someone on the idea of liking or being with me. Either it happens naturally or move on.

Plus real life will never live up to the fantasy if the fantasy gets to built-up. Too much anticipation guaranties a let down if anything ever happens.

Ch, putting aside the ranting of the site whack job above, I have no vested interest in whatever direction you go in. But ask yourself this: Is what you are doing working now? If not, then why not?

Obviously it's not working, so then the only question is why. There could be any number of answers to the second. One obvious possibility is that she won't do it with anybody period, but another very plausible reason is that you're coming across as too needy and it's making her cautious.

Whichever answer is the right one, IMHO the fix is the same: You need some time and distance from her. Either this eventually results in a reboot with her, which is possible, or it does not. Either way you're spinning your wheels with her anyway, so a change will likely improve things.

Just to clarify, when you say you want OTC, what you mean is that you want sex, right?

You're posting about dinner (no sex) with one dancer, and breakfast (no sex) with another dancer, and then dropping breakfast dancer off at home (still no sex). So, as far as I can tell you're buying meals and running a free Uber.

And, if you're looking for more "cool interactions" without sex, that's fine. But it's absolutely not what most guys here consider to be "OTC".

Assuming that you want sex, I think you need to set aside both breakfast and dinner dancers (at least for now), and start fresh with a third dancer. And your top priority needs to be making it abundantly clear that if you're going to meet her OTC, then you want sex.

I find that the easiest way to get this across is to look right at her and say some version of "I want sex, specifically with you." Don't be a dick about it, but also don't be afraid to be pretty straightforward, either.

Unless she's been a stripper for less than an hour, you're not the first guy to ask her for sex OTC or ITC. You're not going to offend her, you're not going to make her cry, and you're not going to get kicked in the nuts.

Well... not for asking for sex...

As far as breakfast and dinner dancers, leave them alone for a while. If they approach you, tell them that you're looking to spend time with other dancers. If they press you for reasons, either cite "personal preference" or tell them what you're *actually* looking for.

Don't be "meal and a ride" guy if you want sex.

".... So, as far as I can tell you're buying meals and running a free Uber ..."

^ LOL

The key time is when the Crescent Moon and Venus appear in close conjunction, either right after Sunset or before Sunrise.

In my organization will commemorate these occurrences, with orgies of course.

SJG

^^^ Sweet, sweet delusion-based orgies...

^^^^^ Bonobo Fests!

SJG

Your ignore button is broken, dipshit.

@Call.Me.Ishmael
No I don't consider taking them out to eat as "OTC." With no sex, I try to refer to it as outside the club. Anyway, my goal is to get them OTC, sex involved.

Last night was a first in some respects. However, I have trumped that once when I got a dancer OTC, only sex, first night I met her.

I'm cool with taking them out to eat and even if it's mutiple of times. I feel that builds the rapport. However, I don't intend to continue pursuit too much longer when they start with SS as far as responding if we've already gotten outside the club. What gets me is the no response. Unless, they've indicated otherwise (very, very rare) that they don't mind small talk, I typically don't text them non business or small talk.

This is just my opinion - but I think you are going about this as if you were trying to bag a civilian and trying to get lucky and not screw-up - seems as if you are thinking/acting in civvie mode vs monger-mode.

At the end of the day, these girls are business-women and their involvement w/ strip-club custies revolves around money in exchange for services -at the end of the day it's a transaction and it's up to the custy to do his part so the transaction occurs and occurs in a way where both parties get what they want - taking her to dinner, etc, and hoping you get beyond first-base like on a civvy-date seems like a low-probability event w/ any woman stripper or not - as much as many on here don't like for it to sound that way, at the end of the day it's business meaning that in a business transaction one gets down to the details and a conclusion/deal-closure.

I ALWAYS treat women in a civilian manner, no exceptions.

I never talk to them like they sell sex or like money could buy them.

SJG