The president of the United States sent a team of Navy Seals into Pakistan where they murdered a suspected terrorist. There was no trial. They just shot him dead in his own house. Also killed were 4 members of the suspected terrorist's family.
Discuss
Not "suspected." Admitted mastermind in the death of 3,000 Americans. I would say the other four were more appropriately described as accomplices, but even if innocent, regrettable collateral damage.
Terrorists should be treated differently than other criminals IMO - until it starts being that they are accidentally killing innocent people believed to be terrorists then one can't afford any mercy on those fuckers bc they don't have any themselves
Still can't wrap my head around the difference in reporting two very similar stories. But hey, Orange Man Bad.
Decisive move much like the decision by our recent potus. The international stage is not the place for weakness and very simple rules apply when cruel authoritarian nation states are allowed to exist by the UN.
"Still can't wrap my head around the difference in reporting two very similar stories. But hey, Orange Man Bad."
Ok--I see your point now, and I agree. But there is a significant difference. Soleimani was a member of the official government of Iraq. Killing him was the equivalent of Iran killing our SecDef. What would we do? I shed no tears for Soleimani, but have concerns about the consequences.
None of us or the MSM is privvy to the information our president and his advisors know. We just rush to think he's gleefully killing people.
I'm taking our president on his word that this guy needed killing, even if he bloviates.
@Trump for Prison 2020, welcome. Your intelligent, level-headed reasoning is much needed here on a board teeming with inbreds who lust after 70 year olds with 3-inch orange dicks.
No, extrajudicial killings are not per se illegal. Every battlefield killing is an extrajudicial killing, and they are not illegal. The world is the battlefield in the war against terror. We killed a terrorist. He just also happened to be an official member of the government of Iran.
"I'm taking our president on his word that this guy needed killing..."
This is not meant as a a troll: why would you have any trust in someone who lies and bullshits constantly. Maybe 15,000 times according to Wash Post. And DrEvil made key argument that Soleimani was widely revered all over the gulf. Killing him does not make us safer.
Because WaPo says someone lies it must be true.
Trump says all sorts of shit.
He also keeps his fucking word.
Don't fuck with the US.
"And DrEvil made key argument that Soleimani was widely revered all over the gulf." No, that's not what I said. He was a terrorist. All I said was that he was also a member of the official government of Iran. That creates some ramifications that will only be understood as events play out.
If any member of this site has access to the information our president has, I'd be very surprised.
Every fucking thing Trump does is WRONG!
Stop it. Just stop.
Organize. Get a candidate that can beat him, and vote him out of office.
"Only a MAGA-Tard would speak like a Nazi sympathizer --- reminds me of all you GOP creeps "
Ok, motherfucker, where were you in 2008 when we had a half dozen or more troops a day dying in Iraq, most by Explosively Formed Penetrator EIDs supplied by the asshhole that Trump just killed. He got what he had coming to him. I just worry about what the future consequences may be.
Trump's a clown. I will not vote for him. Not bothered at all about killing Soleimani.
Yeah, I remember all of that because I was in Iraq at the time seeing my fellow Americans being killed while assholes like you (Trump for Prison f/ka/a VHF) were rooting for the enemy. Fuck you.
Trucidos, I'm not in love with Trump, but it's nice to have a president that's doesn't apologize for America being great. And if you don't think America is the best place to live, claim asylum at Mexico's border.
And yes, I will mute comments that use MagaTard and commie Trump. You say these things as if the left were capitalists. News flash, Trump is fighting socialism and its not too distant cousin of communism because those idealogies have failed every single place they've been tried.
And dare I say, Biden knows what the Democrats used to be. This socialist bent that the party is on probably makes him sick to his stomach.
He can be revered and also be a terrorist, DrE. There's nothing to disagree about. Everyone -- right, left, and center -- agrees he was responsible for killing hundreds of Americans.
I don't see the left agreeing killing him was the right thing to do.
I see the left defending Iran.
Tell me one good thing about Iran and what they've done to help the plight of women and gays? Just one. Tell me you'd rather live there then the USA.
"I can sniff out a LIAR from a mile away and I can tell a MAGA-Creep like you would never get within a 100 yards of a military recruiter"
So my question was, where were you, mothefucker?
Trucidos, your debate skills consist of one tool: name calling.
If you want me to stop muting you, speak civilly.
No name calling
I can't call him motherfucker anymore?
"The issue is not about killing Soleimani"
It should be. This guy needed to go. The simple fact is that if anyone other than Trump had ordered this guy killed most of the people bitching about it would be fine with it.
As much as I don't like Trump this strike needed to happen.
Trump knows to keep his friends close and his enemies closer.
His strategy isn't typical of politicians. But we're fighting a lot less wars than our previous presidents led us into.
^ Really do you believe that, I see us fighting the same wars, just with different rhetoric.
Trucidos, speak without calling someone a name. Can you do that?
"As much as I don't like Trump this strike needed to happen."
Well, two other presidents considered taking Soleimani out and decided it was too risky. I don't know how this will play ou and either do you.
Nobody knows how it will play out. But Trump doesn't fuck around with terrorists. I find that refreshing.
At the risk of sounding like you, trucidos, I think you drink too much MSM half news Kool aid.
I only read CNN.com for my news. I don't watch or read fox news at all.
I read CNN because I like picking apart their blatent biases.
How long has Iran wanted death to America? Why haven't they dropped a bomb on us? To think a world of hurt is coming our way from a country that doesn't even respect its own citizens is laughable.
What part of "I don't watch or read fox news" at all did you not understand?
A current example of CNN reporting:
"After a meeting Sunday in Mar-a-Lago where President Trump was briefed by senior members of his national security team on options regarding Iran, some officials emerged surprised the President chose to target Soleimani, according to a source familiar with the briefing."
A source familiar with the briefing is all you get to know. What does that even mean?
Look what happened when they fucked with our embassy under Trump. Immediate response. America is done fucking around with countries that would rather see you DEAD. You trucidos. They would kill you in a fucking heartbeat if you set foot in their country. Why? Because you're American.
@founder TBH I don't see a big downside, from toasting that avocado, and Iran has been mischief making for a long time especially in their home region, lets let some of the dust settle before making any hasty judgments, in all honesty it might be a good thing for the Iranians to feel a bit of pressure, and some inhibitions, about moving around so freely, it actually might curb some of their rhetoric and behavior over the long haul.
It's not newsworthy if it's not from a named source. Just read the "news" with any hint of objectivity and you will see what I'm talking about.
Trump says he has information from his advisors, who we know, and CNN has a source familiar with the meeting. Was this source in the meeting? We don't know. Was this source maralago? We don't know.
Again, in my lifetime I've never heard a Rush Limbaugh or hannity show.
I just read CNN.
I don't consider myself MAGA. I simply like having a president that recognizes how great a country we have.
He makes no apologies for being successful. No apologies for being a place where millions of LEGAL immigrants wanted to build a better life.
Get back to me on the video I asked you to watch. Would love to hear your take.
Remember, this is long before Trump.
Sometimes things look really bad when they first happen, then people start to realize it might not be that bad. That's not exactly flip flopping
Here is a good example of flip flopping, courtesy of WaPo
Did you watch the video?
Watch the video I posted.
Watch my video. It has nothing to do with Trump
Watch the video. It's eye opening.
We're done here.
I told you this video has NOTHING to do with Trump
You are a very close minded individual, trucidos.
Stop posting here.
You won't watch a video.
That's the only fact I need to know . Goodnight.
Founder said "Watch this video from 2012, and tell me the MSM doesn't try to sway votes."
I'm possibly more cynical than you. I'm not sure that the MSM's top priority is swaying votes so much as swaying viewers. There's a lot of advertising dollars to be made in fear mongering and partisan outrage. Personally, I think that there are swaths of staff at Fox News who would click their heels and pop champagne if Bernie Sanders won in 2020. It would mean 4 years of amazing ratings and ad sales.
Similarly, I've read interesting articles about how gun manufacturers benefited more from having Obama in office. Because, every time he made a noise about gun control, the gun manufacturers experienced a Black-Friday-style gun buying frenzy. Now, with Trump in office and no one afraid that their guns will be taken away, there's a "Trump Slump" in gun sales.
That said, I agree that bias exists in the mainstream media in general and even more so with individual media personalities (I struggle to refer to either Andrea Mitchell or Sean Hannity as "journalists"...). Unfortunately, this major market media bias has created a market for hyper-biased "news" outlets that are essentially propaganda farms. Very profitable propaganda farms, but propaganda farms nonetheless.
The Media Resource Center, which created the video you posted, is a blatantly conservative think tank that only reports on bias from the left, but ignores the same behavior on the right. Fortunately, there's LiberalViewer on YouTube, who provides the same service for the left:
Turns out that there's also good money to be made in confirmation bias.
The Media Research Center, rather...
Thank you, President Obama.
Eh. The U.S. questionable policies and involvements in Iranian affairs predates Obama by decades.
Thank you, President Trump, for taking out a bad guy. Now if you start behaving with 1/10th of Obama's decency, integrity, intelligence, respect for others, and dedication to the rule of law, I would consider voting for you.
There is almost always an economic motive underlying most conflicts, even if the stated aim of the war is presented to the public as something more noble.
Just remember; “war is never economically beneficial except for those in position to profit from war expenditures”
“The America of wealth and privilege is hooked on war, without regular and ever-stronger doses of war it can no longer function properly, that is, yield the desired profits.”
“The nature of American created wars is that huge corporations and the 1% of the world benefit and the people suffer in America and the world...”
Fuck that towelhead 3rd world country. I can’t believe how pussified this country has become. This piece of shit 3rd world country has one thing going for them, oil. That’s it. They have a ego problem thinking that they are in the big leagues with China, Russia, Japan, the US, etc. on the world stage and they’re not. These motherfuckers are dirty SOBs who don’t fight fair and condone terrorist attacks nationwide. These cave dwellers come out of caves to shoot up foreigners and tie bombs to 11 yr olds. They’re entrenched in the government because those that want to live peacefully are threatened. These cocksuckers rape their women and steal from their country. We’ve been selling them arms for years and they turn around and use them to kill innocent civics worldwide. It’s about time somebody sacked up and said enough and we blast these motherfuckers back to the third world. Obama was a pussy who thought he could charm them with diplomacy when the truth of the matter is they’re lying motherfuckers. In addition Obama reduced our military strength which thank you Trump has restored. Keep in mind military training is school for many impoverished here - I know a successful dentist living the good life who went to dental school via the army but that’s besides the point. It’s time to stop having to babysit these arrogant jihad fucks that think Xerxes is still walking the earth and they are a powerful country. Take the trash out. And quite frankly I’m offended that they’re offended, our defense secretary isn’t plotting terrorist attacks or masterminding raids on embassies or killing journalists. Fuck these 3rd world faggots and when they can act like responsible partners on the world stage, we’ll stop shooting these towelhead pieces of shit that use children to fight wars. And no offense to any US Irani citizens, I know plenty that just want peace and think these jihadists are crazy brainwashers. Trump is a bloviating orange fuck and I don’t necessarily like him, but on paper results wise which is all I care about he’s doing a ok 👍.
Ps these democratic shitwipes with their impeachment bullshit not sending the articles over can suck all us independent dicks. We know what you’re doing, ain’t gonna work. Get your paid by the taxpayer asses back to fucking work and do the job to which you were assigned which is running this country.
Well, that escalated quickly...
BIn Laden was supported, financed, protected, and sponsored by the various goat fucker governments. To say that killing one terrorist is ok but not another because one has an official government title is idiotic.
"Fuck that towelhead 3rd world country" is not an appropriate way to start a comment if you want me to read it.
free speech has it limits, if you cross that line, i think the founder could ban you
bdirect, if you think posting on a privately funded internet forum somehow is protected by the first amendment, you're sadly mistaken. You're also mistaken that I could "ban" someone. You obviously haven't been watching the Trucidos saga unfold for the past few years.
my example that free speech has limits, a comedian girl picture of trump, she had a visit by secret service. and a texas man was in jail for 2 years after he posted his rage about obama care,
+1 prevert
And comments are like radio stations, don’t like it ok don’t listen - your choice. Doesn’t bother me none.
Killing Soleimani was the right thing to do. He was an indiscriminate murderer of men, women, and children - combatants and non-combatants alike. He, personally, had funded and trained international terror organizations to attack any target they chose. He was travelling in a foreign country, meeting with known terror leaders, just after having executed an attack on our embassy in that country (it wasy NOT a civilian protest - period). He was directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition soldiers by enemy military and enemy illegal combatants. Finally, the country of which he was a senior military commander is known exporter of terror and malicious regime. These are the reasons why killing him was NOT the same as Iran assassinating the US SecDef.
Trucidos must be an Alias of VH_SuckDicks!
Threatening the life of the POTUS in anyway will get you a visit by SS. Holding the fake severed head of the President was in ridiculously poor taste.
^ Threatening any public figure, in any open forum, should get you at the very least, a visit by law enforcement !
@25, why does it have to be a "public figure"? Are their lives somehow more valuable than a private citizen?
^ Actually threatening someone in any way should be grounds for a mandated psych evaluation ! Many things are in poor taste, and show lack of sense, or good judgement, but are not criminal, Potus demonstrates that every day.
you're projecting, 25IQ. You just described yourself, not Trump.
^ I see I'm still living rent free in your head good to know So I have a place to stay
Nice to have a vacation head to live in while Trump lives in yours.
^ Us fake billionaires like to swap vacation places, you can't seriously expect us to spend any of our own money, can you @founder LOL
Stop with the name calling.
Trucidos, I don't watch Fox news. I think they are just as bad as the left leaning news.
But if you want to keep lumping people into specific baskets, suit yourself.
I posted exactly one video link. One.
It is non partisan.
And to say I shouldn't post my views here is just asenine. You sound like a facist.
@ Jackslash not sure of the answer but you do make a good point, funny thing here is that my beef with the fools here is similar to founders with whom I disagree politically, I too think the name calling is ridiculous and the Trump faction uses name calling just as often as the anti Trump group, what’s truly appalling is this failure to recognize the patriotism of any one who’s views don’t align with their own.
"it would be like Bill Gates putting his political views in every copy of MS Office --- or Jeff Bezos putting his political views in every Amazon box he ships out"
If I put my 2 cents in every post, I could see your point.
I simply started a discussion to see why Trump taking out a terrorist is bad, but Obama doing it wasn't.
"I posted exactly one video link. One.
It is non partisan."
Nonsense. "Media Research Center" is blatant right-wing propaganda. Did you read @Ishmael's post?
Most of the discussions on TUSCL are not political -- just a struggle to nail down the facts.
^ @founder you also called Jack a fascist just like Trucidos is doing with anyone he disagrees with, and for the record I saw your video a few years ago I didn’t agree with it then and I disagree with it now, both factions slant their news coverage and my question to you is why are you willing to listen when Trump cites unnamed sources but no one else has that right.
I honestly don't know what media research center is.
The video is an example of selective editing aimed at a specific candidate to make him look foolish. If I were Romney I would have sued them for defamation.
I wish all these fuckin zealots would just live and let live. Tolerate those that don’t agree with one’s particular religion belief and persuasion...
peace. (please.)
Trump names his advisors. Just like when Obama made decisions based on advice of his advisors. I have to assume they have way more inside knowledge than I do, than you do, and the press does.
Now I'm posting my views on the front page? WTF, that is just total fake news.
"copy-pasting the standard "Orange Man Bad" and "you have TDS" responses "
Again, not sure what you're talking about.
Actually Trump keeps his advisors secret from us all of his cabinet members are non confirmed just acting and has made the daily logs and schedules classified no longer able to be views in real time You assuming that they know is a big push for a group that denies science and operates without any real transparency.
As for muting responses, I won't tolerate name calling here.
I said you sound like a facist, that's far from the names you call anyone who has a different opinion than you.
^Is that aimed at me or someone I don’t see
See... I can have a discussion with 25, cause he keeps it civil. He even took my living in someone else's head in stride and joked right back.
Trucidos, you just have no tolerance at all. You really should delete Twitter and FB. Live is fun.
It was aimed at trucidos
^ That’s fine I make a practice of not calling serious people names trolls like gammanut or Dougster not so much
TFP2020 (or Trucidos?) said "Most of us in here, both right and left, would agree that the founder and operator of this website should not be posting his own personal views."
Nope. His sandbox. I have no issue with founder posting his views.
Bezos and Gates... they're also free to post their politics on the platforms they control. They don't for reasons having more to do with profit than anything else, most likely.
I assume that if founder's politics crimp the hose on all the sweet, sweet stripper club website money he's raking in, he'll stop.
Or not.
His castle; his rules.
Just for the record I have always been registered NPP, I don't vote on party lines, I don't like extremist views whether left or right.
I'm not a fan of everything Trump does, I just think he's keeping his promises, which is refreshing to see.
VH has his hypocritical, psuedo-intellectual, engorged ego head so far up his ass shit has seeped in through osmosis.
And I’m ok with this comment being muted. 😂😂😂
Founder said "I honestly don't know what media research center is."
It's the three words appearing at the start of the YouTube video link you posted, and the advocacy group that published the video. They're blatantly right wing, hyper-partisan organization that collects its paycheck via conservative outrage.
In fairness, there are equivalent groups who do the same thing from a hyper-left perspective. And, the Andrea Mitchell edit of that Romney video was a travesty.
But, that doesn't convince me to entirely distrust the media so much as sample a broader range of media across the political spectrum, and also consume political content from sources that most would consider 'dull' or painfully granular.
Personal opinion... news that functions as entertainment fails on both fronts (at least for me).
Confirmation bias is a horrible drug...
Obama promised I could keep my insurance plan. It was cancelled by my insurance company. The cheapest plan to replace it was 3x the price.
Trump is keeping his main promise, and that's to make America great again. I genuinely think most people are doing better economically. Therefore they are happier.
Trump will win a second term easily.
Thanks Ishmael, I know they produced the video. I meant that is the extent of what I know about them.
And yes, I agree that it happens on both sides. I just see all this hate for everything Trump does. If Trump woke up tomorrow and said we should give 4 billion dollars to Iran, the press would call him out.
TFP2020 said "I thought it would be different here amongst my strip-clubbin' brethren --- but I guess I was wrong"
Holy shit! No one told me that I'd joined the Illuminati. Should I have gotten a robe and/or beefy signet ring?
On this we can agree
Founder said "Trump will win a second term easily."
I can't strongly disagree. Personally, I think it has less to do with Trump being a stellar politician, so much as the Democratic Party's four-year tradition of putting up lackluster candidates combined with eating its own face.
On the front page of LA Times this morning:
"Air strike may lead to end of America Iraqi relations"
It's the word "may" that bothers me. It immediately becomes an opinion piece.
And that's what this whole thread is about. The failure of our news media to bring forth facts without bias.
Personally, I think nearly all broadcast news is worthless if you're actually interested in the news.
Ishmael, exactly my point
They have us believing this assassination is the start of WW III
It's simply out of hand.
FWIW, I have talked to every medical professional I know and not one is in favor of the ACA. Mostly because it benefits insurance companies and NOT patients.
Why don't we provide health care instead of forcing Americans to buy insurance from private companies?
Trucidos, where do you watch your non bias news? Serious question.
Also, there were several cheers for Trump. That's not newsworthy, I suppose. My point being is that neither is newsworthy.
I would support health care for all, as long as people can still get private insurance and healthcare if they want.
This is America. We expect to have choices
I believe that the assassination of Soleimani was a bad idea. Not by way of any affection for Iran, Qasem Soleimani, or fear of World War III.
Currently, Iran's greatest adversary is the Iranian people. They had the most violent and widespread popular revolts in 40 years this past November. They quashed it by way of killing over 1,500 of their own people and imprisoning more than that. Their economy is in a shambles via sanctions, but also because of massive unemployment (partly resulting from sanctions, but also due to the Khomeini era's pro-natalism policy, which is why Iran has an unusually large, young, and jobless population).
Iran needs a way out from under sanctions to survive, and everyone (including the Iranians) knows that. A firm but nuanced national security policy towards Iran would have a greater chance of producing a barely palatable (for them) olive-branch agreement that would include arms monitoring and restrictions far more comprehensive than the JCPOA. And no one wants Iran to actually become a failed state, least of all Saudi Arabia or even Israel. Because failed states, like Afghanistan and Libya, or more problematic and capable of worse horrors than functional adversary states.
But nuanced national security doesn't grab the headlines like a good old fashioned missile strike. Trump likes to blow shit up. Fun in a video game; not so great or even wise in a broader natsec setting.
By killing Qasem Soleimani, the Trump administration has guaranteed that the regime will hire someone else to take over from where Soleimani left off. Soleimani was a bad guy, but his death doesn't mean they've run out of bad guys. And, the new bad guy will likely be more empowered to doe worse things as compared to Soleimani. That's not great.
Also, now that the Iranian hardliners have a new rallying cry, it makes it impossible for the moderates in the Iranian government (yes, they exist) to move the needle in the other direction. Instead, we've put the Iranians in a position where they only way they can hope to get their backs off the wall is to move closer to Russia and China. That's also not great.
So, from my perspective, Iran has two likely options now that any agreement with the West is nearly impossible: become a failed state or become a vassal state to China and/or Russia. This calls to mind an old saying about frying pans and fires...
So, yeah, I think the assassination of Soleimani was crazy-pants stupid.
No, I know.
Eventually, you'll want me to go back to giving SJG shit for being creepy as fuck.
@founder Health care for all would be like Medicare and it’s pretty good so far much better than my old health insurance cheaper too. Problem is if we actually went to a single payer system thousands would be thrown out of work, and insurers would have to go back to selling insurance in order to show profits, they wouldn’t have huge subsidies available like they do with the ACA
I sense sarcasm in @25 comment.
And trucidos, wouldn't what you describe be fair? Or should everyone get first rate everything for free?
Im not real worried about getting thrown out of Iraq it would be fun to see them manage their own problems that goes for all of those countries in the Middle East I think we can do far better with the money we spend over there by keeping that cash here.
I hope you sense more than sarcasm lol
Also, by way of comparing the Soleimani assassination to the bin Laden assault, the Soleimani strike does carry more gravity because he is the #2 in a major Middle East government. And, when you kill military leaders within a government, that does have more severe implications as compared to the killing figurehead of a terrorist organization on the decline.
It's not going to cause WWIII. But, comparing Soleimani to bin Laden is not apples-to-apples in terms of follow-on complications.
Tl;dr but can somebody tell me if Trucidos is VH_Sucksadick or Trump for Prison? They write the same.
I’m thinking that this strike against that murderer might end up working in our favor not because Trump actually gamed it right, but the Iranians might realize he’s actually nuts and who knows where it ends up with this nut in charge. Lol
I don't believe that the Iranians will take, or even sponsor, any significant attacks in the near future. There's a good chance I could be wrong; they aren't predictable. But they don't want to put Trump in a position where he has to respond with a major strike on Iran. The Iranian Regime is sitting on a powder keg in the form of its own people.
I don't think Trump likes playing long games, but the Iranians have not choice but to play a long game. My suspicion is that Iran won't do anything terribly newsworthy until after the November elections here, and only if Trump wins. They might figure they have nothing to lose at that point.
But again, I wouldn't be a lot of money on that prediction.
bet a lot of money...
Can we all agree that Joe Buck is a tool? (Watching halftime now)
Whats the score ? Joe Buck has diarrhea of the mouth
13-10 Vikings. I know a few PLs here are quite happy about that.
I’m surprised, still don’t expect a Viking win though
I had an afternoon engagement I only agreed because I really want to watch Philly v Seattle that should be a tough game
Anyone but the Steelers ;)
that is why i like new england, they own the steelers
Pretty sure the Cheatriots still have an outside shot at winning the Superbowl this year ;)
#offtopic
lol
There's more to life than arguing about news media, dead terrorists, and US greatness.
There’s football I hate folks that think football is political 🤭
Kapernick made it political
Trust me football ain’t good or bad right or left it’s a game it’s entertaining it’s not life or death !
He made it political by disrespecting the soldiers who died for his right to play football. That's why I stand for our anthem. To honor our military.
If I want to protest cops, I'd wear socks with pigs on them.
Cousins to Thielen!
"not butt-hurt crybaby snowflakes!"
What team is Kapernick playing for now?
Potus magnified the effect that had by a million, if he had kept his fat yap shut, it never would have gone anyplace, it would have had all the significance that it deserved zero.
Welp, at least New Orleans still has LSU to root for
Not true. Like an entitled moron, Kap used his standing to protest in a personal belief against the wishes of the person and company writing his checks. People didn’t want to explain to their kids why this guy was kneeling. If he wasn’t another dumb snowflake attn seeking libtard he could’ve had a bigger impact by keeping his mouth shut, earning tons of money, and doing work for his black lives matter cause off season. Dumb ass. And he’ll ya Trump told him to stfu and stand out of respect for all the troops that gave their lives for his freedom. Piece of shit, glad he’s out of football.
Ps that was a push off Saints got fucked 2 years in a row.
I agree. Unlike Ben R who rapes bitches and then lays them hush money and is cheered by hypocritical Pittsburgh douchebags.
"Potus magnified the effect that had by a million"
I agree with this
And yet, the left just keeps giving him more ammo, and more news coverage.
Pro tip: stop covering every thing he does to the nth degree and the left can win in 2020
"Ps that was a push off Saints got fucked 2 years in a row"
My son said exactly the same thing
Stop with MAGA tard and Idiot comments. Show respect for other opinions. It's the only way to solve differences.
Pro tip: stop covering every thing he does to the nth degree and the left can win in 2020< I've basically said the same thing for the last 3 years but the left doesn't listen to me any more than the right does LOL
Go read the lyrics. Bottom line is his employer told him to stand, nobody wants to explain to their 11 yr old what this idiot is doing. VH you really do have shit for brains, you think you’re smart. You’re not. You make tremendously hypocritical statements, probably got banned on FB and Twitter didn’t quit lol. I do think you should keep talking though because it is highly entertaining to watch a train wreck.
Now go get a bj at follies and cuddle your wife and then tell us how trump has shit values. Lol
Also, I don’t know why the left is so mad at Trump. They should be mad as Wasserman Schultz who rigged the DNC and got Trump elected. THATS who they should take their anger out on.
Trucidos, the reason I don't mute some name calling is because it's no directed at you personally. You personally attack us, your strip club brethren, with names.
As for Courtney Friel, I'd beg for kisses too. Men are pigs. Why else would I have created this site?
And FWIW, I thought Kapernick was a sumbitch long before Trump did
Trump and Bill Clinton. And JFK. Those 3 were all into chicks. Boys will always be boys
^ Hell FDR had an affair with his secretary Lucy Murcer something or other. Plenty of US presidents did the horizontal mambo Jefferson and Sally Hemmings, Ben Franklin while never a president had quite a reputation as a ladies man the list goes on and on
Strange how powerful men like to dominate women. You'd think it almost ingrained in them by science.
If you would like to get back to your original statement about killing that Iranian General, here is a very well written article from CNN detailing what is really happening,, this war between the US and Iran has been going on since 1953 read this article there's a lot to unpack but it is factual and it isn't really anti-Trump cnn.com
argument --- that's when principled Dems like me and tens of millions of other patriotic Americans got involved —- Lmao what exactly did you do to get involved? Talk some shit on the interwebz? 🤣🤣🤣🤣. That you use the word colored shows how backwards and anti progressive you are.
Folks clutching their pearls that Trump might be leading us to war were awfully quiet when Droney McPeaceprize dropped 26,000 bombs in 2016, and had military actions in 7 nations.
Lindsey Graham has now said, after meeting with Trump, that if Iran harms any more US troops, we will take out Iran’s oil refineries. There are only a handful of refineries but their destruction would flatline what is left of the Iranian economy. The street protests against the Ayatollah would become a full fledged revolution.
The smart play on Irans’s part would be to return to the negotiating table and cease supporting terror. I doubt they are that rational but wouldn’t it be something if they did.
Principles dems? Lamo fuicking useless oxymoron. Fucking traitorus frauds. Benedict Arnold = Democrats/Progressives.
@Pistola “ Bottom line is his employer told him to stand, nobody wants to explain to their 11 yr old what this idiot is doing.”
Kaepernick was a tangent to the thread but this is FAKE NEWS. This is exactly the OPPOSITE of what the NFL said he could do. They explicitly allowed him to kneel. After the kneeling got national intention, the NFL made a rule that players had to stand for the anthem... and then decided to not make it a rule. #alternativefacts
^^^ He's not wrong.
trump is right, if they dont stand, fire them, or leave the country and let them go to a shit hole country, and make 1 dollar and hour
Everyone loves freedom of expression / speech until you start expressing things that other people don't love.
I love the fact that Kapernick can choose not to stand.
I also love the fact that popular opinion proved him wrong.
My point being is that things have a way of working themselves out.
Freedom of expression in the public domain is one thing, but you do not have freedom of expression at work, unless that freedom is more importanbt to you than working. While shithead rat traitor Kapernoickj could kneel and spit in the face of Americans; every potential employer has an absolute right to enevr hire, nor interview him. None of my staff is allowed a political opinion of any type at work, even if it is 100% the same as mine. We are here to work and that is it.
100% agree ^
^says the guy who uses the antiquated word colored
I think from reading this thread I fear for the future of our democracy, I don’t think either side of this debate understands the true meaning of American exceptionalism ! “Just because our enemies act without conscience, is the reason we must not”
Another antiquated word with no meaning: Racism.
it is amazing to me how the open minded liberals are so intolerable and hateful to others people difference of opinions
Liberals are the single largest group of bigots on earth. Intolerant to the max. Never forget that the nazi party was socialist.
"and yes we Mighty Dems do hate opinions when they are based on white nationalist ideology"
This is the thing... There is a nationalist idealogy. The MSM and Dems added "white"
Founder, as a combat veteran I do not think Kaepernick disrespected me. Most of my fellows who also saw the aftermath of people speaking their mind agree with me.
@founder do you realize that we have now gone 301 days without a formal press conference or briefing
@ski “ Liberals are the single largest group of bigots on earth. Intolerant to the max. Never forget that the nazi party was socialist.”
I know that was meant to be a zinger but it falls flat when the people waving around nazi flags and swastikas 75 years after Hitler’s death all proudly voted republican. Pretty sure it was 100% without even needing to take a survey.
Almost 60 percent of service members in that survey believed the military was in stronger shape with Trump as its leader than under President Barack Obama, plus majority of vets support trump, i dont see them nazi flags
What survey are you referring to ? AFAIK there’s been no servey of active service members, it would violate the code of conduct that every service member is required to adhere to.
just goggle the top line, and here is another article:“Anyone not respecting our flag should be deported. Many veterans and servicemen and women have died and suffered grievous wounds for this flag and anthem and constitution. Have some respect.” This argument isn’t new: Last year the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the American Legion chastised the protests as disrespectful. lots of them stop watching nfl
^ Confirmation bias you can find it to support either side of this disagreement
I thought the president was impeached causing him to be suspended from all further duty? What happened to that?
Impeachment means you're charged and like every other Federal Official previously impeached he continues with his duties unless convicted. Well Jimmy gay used to mean happy. Things change, but let me make you feel bnetter: Left wing governments under Stralin and Mao murdered 40 million people, without a war.
@skibum your spreading fake news. There are impressionable adults on this website. Stop that lol
Sorry if facts offend you, but thats part and parcel of being a progressive: Ignoring facts.
I didn't mind the killing of the Iranian leader at the Baghdad airport. And I am tolerant of some covert action. But the threats against cultural sites and the invasion of Pakistan are going too far.
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Islam has no respect for cultural sites and its time theirs were destroyed.
Targeting cultural sites is considered a war crime. We are not going to subdue, occupy, or destroy Iran, just trying to restore peace.
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Iran tensions and impeachment dominate Washington, Bolton? youtube.com
Senators Speak Amid Trump Impeachment and Iran Tensions youtube.com
Bolton Willing To Testify In Trump Impeachment Trial If Subpoenaed youtube.com
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Larsa Pippen yahoo.com
pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com
ELP | Emerson, Lake & Palmer - 40th Anniversary Reunion - Full Concert ᴴᴰ 2010 youtube.com
News Hour 1/7, deals with Iran situation youtube.com
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Maybe this invasion of Pakistan, like this sending of 60x B-52's to Diego Garcia, has blown over, never confirmed.
I hope things are de-escalating. And if Esper and Milley handle things instead of Donald Trump, it should work out okay.
SJG
There only 58 B-52 bombers in active service. They sent 6 to Diego Garcia.
B52s carry weapons of mass destruction
Have any of you ever seen a B52 in flight ? Last year at the Ft Lauderdale air show they did a flyover with B52s and stealth Bombers they are awesome pieces of machinery I can imagine how terrifying they must appear to our enemies
"I thought the president was impeached causing him to be suspended from all further duty? "
Your new screen name is 26IQ.
^ you’re a fuckwit I’m moving out of your head the view sucks
The British Vulcan bomber was designed to intimidate. Loud as hell. I stood under it during a fly by in London years ago. Impressive. Sadly, no longer in service.
@Mark last year we attended a construction project party on the roof of a multi million dollar condo that we had worked on during the air show when those Stealth Bombers flew over they weren’t very noisy but they blocked the sunlight for a prolonged time the most imposing sight many will ever see.
Breaking news:
Relatively unheard of outside of intelligence circles, deceased Iranian General Qassem Soleimani has surged into 4th place in the national Democratic primary poll among likely Democratic voters.
Just days after President Trump ordered Soleimani’s killing in Iraq for orchestrating an attack on the Iraqi US embassy and decades of bombings in the region, many Democrats think he has the stuff to beat Trump in the 2020 presidential election.
@Mark94's only attempt at dotard humor. Note that he plagiarized the humor from the link below. He plagiarizes shit verbatim on a regular basis because he's too stupid to come up with anything original.
It isnj't original to whine like alittle bnitch either Random. May I sk why you progressives are supporting the Iranians who just shot down an airliner and murdered 176 civilians?
^ That’s a false narrative and you know it! no one on either side is supportive of either the Iranians or the General we sent to his death, stop the bullshit it’s not very classy to make up lies or demonize your political opponents America has real enemies and they are not your political opponents SMH
If you look above in this thread I pointed out that nobody -- left, right, or center --supports Soleimani.
You changed the subject: I said that @Mark94 is a goofy fool for plagiarizing on a regular basis.
Here’s the death count for innocent civilians in WW3, so far -Trump: No innocents harmed
Like you would know any more than anybody else Randumbmember??!! Stop believing your regurgitating of left wing news is any more original than Mark’s information. Dumb Member!!
skibum609 said "May I ask why you progressives are supporting the Iranians who just shot down an airliner and murdered 176 civilians?"
May I ask you to cite an actual / verifiable instance of that happening?
Elizabeth Warren called Suleimani a “high-ranking official for the government of Iran." suggesting that Trump only targeted him to distract the press. That seems like an example of a Democrat supporting the Iranians over the US President.
“Commie Donnie is just getting started --- he'll easily send 25,000 sons of his MAGA-Tard voters to die in Iran before he suddenly grows a "conscience" in that evil Commie pea brain of his”
During Obama’s presidency, approximately 1,700 US soldiers died in Afghanistan. During Trump’s presidency, 45 have died.
Mark94 said "Elizabeth Warren called Suleimani a 'high-ranking official for the government of Iran.'..."
Well, he was exactly that.
"...suggesting that Trump only targeted him to distract the press."
He does potentially have that motive, but I have no idea how much or little that swayed his decision making. When candidates run against each other, it's common to publicly question the actions and motives of your opponents. But even with all that, it's not valid to say that she is supporting the Iranians when she (or anyone else) speculates about Trump's motives.
"That seems like an example of a Democrat supporting the Iranians over the US President."
Nope. That's a political candidate campaigning against an opposing candidate.
Fair warning... there's probably going to be more of that. From both sides of the election.
6 B-52's makes a lot more sense than 60.
B-52's are designed to fly at 60,000 ft. So they have those 8 turbo jet engines.
Today though they are not used at such altitudes. You could get far greater range by replacing the 8 engines with 4 modern high bipass turbo jets.
B-52's have a lot of similarity to 707's.
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^^^^^^ TFP-2020 I basically agree with you. But it won't be just the sons of Maga-Tards. I agree though that people were stupid to support trump, and to continue supporting him. But just calling them stupid does not accomplish anything.
And our educational system has been under attack by privatizers for some time now. This is the result.
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1988 en.wikipedia.org
Shot down an Iranian Airbus A-300
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I am neither stupid or racist.
Lumping everyone into one basket certainly puts you squarely in the bigots corner.
VH is just a sad attn whore who is enamored with the lefts flamboyant newsmongering. Might as well go wash his clit since he seeks again like a chick.
*attn not again
"low-IQ working class idiots"
No, that does not accomplish anything, and it is not true either. Lots of people do working class type jobs, but they are not stupid. And generally these are jobs which need doing, more so than those where people get higher pay.
Our country is a democracy and there is only one class of citizenship. Maintaining this is of the highest importance. We have to accept that we have one national policy and one set of laws.
In large measure people have been influenced by Right Wing Nonsense News, which went into overdrive when Obama was elected, and to just the stupid squandering of the cold war peace dividend, making it so that American workers now exist only to fatten the financializer class.
This is also a good book about why people voted for Trump in 2016: amazon.com
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^^^^^ My above comments were a response to TFP-2020.
And also, when Hillary Clinton spoke about a "basket of deplorables", she was not referring to all Trump supporters, only to the Wall Street Financializer types to supported Trump.
Conservatives by nature are a quiet type. I would not be surprised at all if many of the well educated men and women you meet are conservative.
You're a very angry man.
You're gonna be angry until 2024
Watch live: House votes on war powers resolution limiting Trump actions in Iran (2hrs ago) youtube.com
TFP2020, I heard it when she originally made the statement, it was about Wall Street Financializer types.
And people live in small towns and take what employment is available. That is exactly what this book is about, St. Charles, in the South West of Louisiana.
No, we cannot try to advance policies which only resonate with an elite. This has never worked. But there is something else going on.
It was not that far back that Texas was represented in the Senate by Lyndon Johnson and Ralph Yarborough.
But since that time the Republican Party has been following Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy, designed to peel Southerners away from the Democrats by making clandestine appeals to racism, taking advantage of the fact the Lyndon Johnson was able to get the the 1964 Civil Rights Act passed, ending legal racial discrimination.
Also, Nixon used divisive wedge issues to try and peel away Democratic support. Roman Catholics have always been a swing vote. Nixon found ways to use the abortion issue as such a wedge.
It is not blue collar workers who are the problem, they are our citizens and our voters.
The problem is the Republican Party and its Think Tanks.
And the heights of this today are that Cambridge Analytica, using social media to massage the Lizard Brain.
I came of age during the Civil Rights Movement, and Anti-War Movement, and the Anti-Poverty Movement. And so much was accomplished.
But not everyone was on board. And when Reagan was elected, the cultural mood swung back. So since, we have been dealing with reactionary political agendas, and ones deliberately engineered to resonate in a post Civil Rights Era.
The Born Again Movement is a repackaging of the South's pro-slavery religion. But today it is racially integrated.
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TFP2020, not everybody was ever on board for a progressive agenda. BUt that agenda still runs, and it makes some progress.
Even some Republicans recognize this: lincolnproject.us
Nevertheless we have corporate funded think tanks who continue to feed people an always repackaged reactionary message. Getting your or I to write off the white working class is what would most please them.
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"toothless white hillbillies"
No, this is not what she meant, and she is far too smart and responsible to ever say anything like that.
SJG
founder said "Conservatives by nature are a quiet type."
Eh. Near as I can tell, people who are partisan tend to see their own side as being cool, calm, and collected, and the other side as being shrill, loud, and abusive. We could spend weeks continuously showing examples of liberals and conservatives acting like arm-waving lunatics. Neither side has a monopoly on calm intellectualism.
"I would not be surprised at all if many of the well educated men and women you meet are conservative."
Or, in equal parts, liberal. Also, neither side has a monopoly on gaining good educations by a number of means.
". . . attend very rigorous universities and claw and scratch their way to the top, just like Obama did "
Obama may not have been a trust fund baby, but he was an affirmative action baby who probably never would have gotten into those "rigorous" universities but for the color of his skin, which why the supposedly "smartest" president would never release his college transcripts. They would have revealed what a dumb ass he really is. And the only thing "rigorous" about those universities is how they rigorously enforce liberal orthodoxy.
I’ve been at peace, personally. It is clear to me that Trump will get 4 more years and that the country will be transformed by 2024. The 21st century will be the American century, thanks to Trump. When I read the attacks on Trump on this forum, I just smile and smile. Life is good.
racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic
People have conceded that Clinton should not have said that.
But those whom she sees in positive light are from all places, including the rural South.
But she was speaking about those who have been driven nuts by Right Wing Media and think tanks.
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TFP2020 said that politics in the US revolves around, "99% of all today's issues revolve around race, immigrants, women"
With this I do agree.
I have always said that if you preach liberal values, not much is being accomplished because people's lives are not actually changed.
But if you can give people liberated lifestyles, then they will from then on fight to defend them.
SJG
Many things prevent people from having liberated lifestyles. One is economic constraints, backed up by prejudice. Another is patriarchy and ideas about controlling women and children. And another is just this idea that poor people are bad people, and that sexuality is something which women should be punished for.
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Trump is destroying us each day, making everything worse instead of better. The Supply Side anti-labor anti-environmental economics he is supporting is a fraud. And yes, he wants everyone to submit, so he is very much like a Communist leader.
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Obama isn't the first president to not release his college records, and he won't be the last. George W. Bush refused to release them (but they were leaked). Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, sent letters to Trump's alma maters threatening lawsuits if his records ever became public.
I have no idea to what extent affirmative action played a role in his college admissions. And really, neither does anyone else here. But he seemed to do pretty good once he got there.
Then again, who cares? He's not president anymore.
^^^ Second 2 paragraphs refer to Obama.
The idea that "poor people are bad people" is how the Right advances itself. And so you have poor people across the country towing the line, so that they are not looked down upon.
We have huge dividends from the end of the Cold War and from the advancing of information, industrial, and agricultural technology. But we don't see it. Our workforce now just serves the needs of the financializers. These have emerged as a new layer of exploiter.
And people go along with it because they have not been shown the big picture.
It is like Buckminster Fuller explained, we now have the ability to take care of every single person in the world, better than even how royalty had lived in past centuries. The only reason we do not see this is that we still demand that everyone prove that they can earn a living.
SJG
Obama was a very good President. Hilary Clinton would have been such herself. She advances very centrist views. And the extra 2% income tax which Bill put in, and which she wanted to restore, did a huge amount of good.
SJG
Walter Mondale, Al Gore, and John Kerry would also have been very good.
But people vote for the Republicans over reactionary identity issues.
House Debates War Powers Resolution youtube.com
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"Bad Ass Barry is living inside that empty Trump Tower skull case like a boss man and he's doing it RENT FREE"
Trump lives in the world of Right Wing Nonsense News, as do most of his supporters. Can't take anything they say seriously, just have to learn how to fight them down.
SJG
"The funny part is that Bill Clinton was almost like a Republican in many ways --- he pushed for welfare reform and passed the most stringent crime bill in decades, which some say sentenced black men disproportionately to whites"
True, but at least he got elected.
Of welfare reform he had said at the convention that he would end welfare, "AS WE KNOW IT". And it was all in those last 4 words.
As it worked out, he under the influence of Dick Morris, and with Rush Limbaugh having gotten Newt Gingrich in as House Speaker, Clinton signed a disaster.
Clinton got his ass kicked real bad. But the key event was that first mid-term when Newt and the Republicans, largely aided by Rush Limbaugh, got control of both houses of congress. Bill Clinton would be on defense from then on.
We need to learn how to put out a Liberal cultural message. And we cannot depend upon those running for office to do this. They have to keep more to the center if they want to win. We have to do it for them.
SJG
7 minutes ago, almost straight party line. The US House of Representatives passed a resolution preventing Mr. Trump from waging war on Iran youtube.com
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18 min ago: Pelosi says she will send impeachment articles soon as House votes on war powers resolution youtube.com
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Yes, the elections will be about race, immigrants, and women. But the Right side of these will be used covertly to push us further into a two economic tier society. These social issues, really reactionary identity issues, are used to score economic victories.
We must find ways to counter this Right Identity message.
SJG
The Trump 2016 counter campaign, against Hillary Clinton, and with all his social media assets, mostly ran on stereotypes against women in positions of power.
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"mostly ran on stereotypes against women in positions of power."
Especially women who ran presidential campaigns
If Hillary wasn't such a lousy candidate Trump never would have had a chance, and if the Democrats don't promote a candidate that reflects America they'll lose again. It's not that Trump is such a monolith, it's more about the lightweights that are running against him, don't be fooled into thinking Trump isn't aware of his shortcomings. He is very aware and paranoid about them, but money has a way of overcoming a lot of faults.
Witness... 25 and I agree on something
^ You guys need to stop deluding yourselves, Hillary was a terrible candidate, she was as unpopular as he is, and in a shit flinging contest, the monkey with the most dung flung, is the great ape, sorry but if you can't learn the lessons of history that's on you.
Trump will win more minority votes in 2020 than any Dem in the race right now.
Here in a nutshell is the problem, you've got a group that refuses to learn the lesson of history, If Hillary was so great Barrack Obama wouldn't have won in 2008 or 2012, she and the rest of the democrats treated her candidacy as a coronation well the facts are stubborn, she was not what the electorate wanted, and she overplayed her hand and if you keep on thinking she was a great candidate you'll keep electing sad assed losers like Trump because you really don't have a clue as to where this country is or will be.
^^^ Shut up VH_SucksDicks, reincarnated as TFP!
I will take that bet with double or nothing Trump wins at least 33 states. (Remember, we're a rebuplic, not a democracy)
And Hillary was terrible. Her only campaign point was "I'm not Trump"
Flf... I can't read WaPo, I don't subscribe
And Hillary was terrible. Her only campaign point was "I'm not Trump" —- Don’t forget regurgitating Obama’s name every ten seconds to try to capture the, as our hyper-racist left-leaning provocateur would say, ‘colored’ vote.
Listen I'm not buying into anything, I don't believe in the conspiracy theories, but son I'm a bit older than you and have seen quite a bit, she was unpopular in her first incarnation as first lady, where she tried to put forth a health care plan, and it got shot down, its really simple the Republicans wandered in the wilderness for quite some time, they finally figured it out, nobody wants the retreads, if a candidate doesn't win in a cycle it's time for another keep putting the guys that lost last time around, is a surefire recipe to lose again, really simple and should be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.
Obama’s token safe white running mate is a retread, and a dumb one at that.
I will gladly go double or nothing on that! Biden can't beat Trump. He won't even get the nomination.
He will flip. Nevada, Maine and New Hampshire.
Again, I don't watch fox news, so your argument of me parroting Fox is invalid.
I will start a new thread for our bet parameters.
Not looking to win an argument, just starting what I think will happen.
Fivethirtyeight provided a lot of facts in 2016. I thought Trump would win.
@TFP just a question in regards to your response, since Nixon who else ? A single outlier doesn't disprove anything,
Trump commits impeachable offenses, seemingly in everything he does. Its just the way he is, the way he understands how power is to be used.
He is worse than Nixon.
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Flying 6 helicopters into a foreign country would be an invasion if 45 ordered it.