7 levels of clubbing

Picks the one he wants, FRMOS, backroom FS, waking up with her in the mornings!

SJG

@gSteph I went from 1 to 2 in my first club visit. This was back in the mid 90s. A couple of visits after that first, I went from 2 to 3. Then a couple of visits after that I went from 3 to 4 during some private dances from porn star Serenity. And then for the last 30 years I've stayed at 4. If I choose to advance to 5 I will get a divorce but I don't have any plans for that. Level 4 is my max level as far as I'm concerned.

My first was a club in Fairbanks, Alaska, 1977, there was no 'rail' at the stage, you just walked up and put a dollar in her bikini string. Definitely at 1 there. Then back in Oregon, I spent almost 30 years at 2, enjoying sitting at the stage, putting out the $1s (but rarely).
Then after a several year break, pulled into Sweet Illusions (the only club in town I'd not visited), and went, "Hello, level 3, nice to meet you".

My first visit went from #1 to #4 in about 30 minutes

I've been trying to get a FRMOS into a #5, but I always mess up and get a #4

WCG

In my opinion, most of those that I have met in the SCs are between 1 and 2. They are there for a single night of fun and done. For me, I consider myself a serious SCer only 18 months ago. Took me 3 months to go from 1 to a hard 5! I have not plans to go 6 or 7. I have nothing but full 5 expectations every time I go to a SC now, even if they are a non extras club. So far, my best FS Extras have all been in non extras clubs. It is to the point now that I think the girls know exactly what I want without me ever soliciting a thing. When I go back with them, they are FSing me within 20 min. It must be a SC Pheromone or something.

I took the usual progression from level 1-3 and held at 3 for years and years and loved it. Then, I had to travel for work and found this place. I did some research to figure out where to go on my first work trip to ... Detroit. I went to the Penthouse Club and blew (literally) right past level 4 and straight to level 5. I didn’t even ask and she didn’t even want a tip. It just happened and I paid for the dances. Mind blown. Eyes opened.

SirLap, as long as your wife to dresses for sex, you're at a solid 7

Not many guys at 7 around these parts

WCG

Welcome to Detroit. LOL

@WCG being at solid 7 with my wife is a good reason why I can stay at 4 at the club.

I was with you right up to 7. I think that there are plenty of guys not interested in that, myself included. My longest favorite lasted 6 months because I was getting bored. I doubt that I will ever have an LTR as I just crave variety too much.

#4, LDK, doesn't interest me at all and I've never done it.

#7 is a bit cringy. "Long term relationship" makes it almost sound like romantic love. My #7 is arrangement... as I've said here before, once I got my first SB on SA I realized I've been treating my ATFs like SBs all along. Yes, it's long-term, but a bit more constrained. Finding a stripper who I like enough -- and who hits it out of the park consistently enough -- to reach #7 is always my goal

😂😂 at some of the reactions in this thread. Once again. gSteph did a good troll without even trying to. Almost as good as that one time against Icey.

I was usually a 1 for one visit to each type of club (topless, nude, extras, brothel).

I have been a 2.

I was only a three until I found extras clubs and brothels.

I only was a 4 at my first visit to a nude club.

I spent most of the past year as a 5 and 6.

Now I am attempting 7 with a civvie.

I’ve been at level 5 with my ATF for about four years now and I love every second of it!

I have been through all the levels except #4. LDK is not my thing.

I would like to add an 8th level:

8. Gawker-level. Years of crazy adventures with a drug-addicted stripper that costs you pain and hundreds of thousands of dollars, but you still think it's the best time you have ever had.

I used to post my own crazy stripper adventures, but mine pale in comparison to Gawker's. I'm only Gawker-lite.

===> "#7 is a bit cringy. "Long term relationship" makes it almost sound like romantic love."

Yup. I've always viewed this as a trap more than a "progression." IME this most often springs on lonely guys who are enjoying 5 and 6 but lose perspective on what this is supposed to be. IMO their lives lack sufficient intimacy and meaning, which makes them more susceptible to mis-using "relationships" with dancers to fill the void.

Is blahblah trolling us or nicespice?
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7 is very flawed. The purpose should never be finding a SO. If anything I think 7 should be things evolving to a FWB relationship.

All that aside...people should do what makes them happy. There are plenty on here that are satisfied with being at 3 or 4 while others feel that they must get to 6.

for me i did 1 and 2 back to back. then progressed to 3 and 4.
slowly to level 5 with a couple experiences of 6.

My very first visit went from 1 to 5.

I am, however, that "cringy" #7, and I don't regret it.

I have only made it to #3 so far in all my SC years. It was only in the last 20 years or so that 3 was even available.

Going back to my 1st question 'where you all think most clubbers are on this list'

I think (with little data to go on, just a guess), that maybe 2/3 of people walking thru SC doors are there to enjoy level 1 - 3.

Of this group - TUSCLers - I'm guessing that's reversed with maybe 2/3 going for 4 to 6. The few 7's know who they are.

Every internet SC forum I've ever been on skewed heavily towards 5 (ITC). This is the first forum where so many guys are enthusiastic about 4 (LDK). This is the first forum where there's so much discussion of 6 (OTC), also. In fact, even in a forum full of PL extras hounds, guys were surprised when I start bringing up OTC, ask all kinds of questions about whether I get kicked out, etc.

Good topic!

Was a 1 for the 1st visit or 2. Then a 2-3 for years as only went with friends & we only went for the experience. Although I had the LDK experience back then without knowing it was called a LDK - just thought I had lucked out. Didnt know how to figure out how to get the right dancers. And never went often enough to learn.

Then progressed to 4 this year and now to 5 - with assistance from this site - with sights on 6 thanks to promising visit recently.

I am pretty new to this but I would say my first time going I got a lapdance so I guess that means I am already at a 3, trying to move up the numbers each time I go now till 5 or 6.

===> "Every internet SC forum I've ever been on skewed heavily towards 5 (ITC). This is the first forum where so many guys are enthusiastic about 4 (LDK). This is the first forum where there's so much discussion of 6 (OTC)..."

I'm as mystified as you about such a large contingent of guys who are both eager to and capable of cumming in their own pants.

But I can see how OTC is more commonly discussed here than in other places. OTC meetups have always been a peripheral part of strip clubs. When you introduce horny guys with cash in their pockets to hungry girls who are already willing to get naked and give LDs for cash, a certain % of each are going to take it a step further But the expense and potential misfires involved generally make it the province of regular strip club hounds as opposed to casual customers, hence it is discussed here more than anywhere else.

OTOH, the extras clubs offer the low hanging fruit that can be easily enjoyed broadly. Hence you'll find USASG types crossing over as well as guys who just want the thrill of getting some easy ass in a controlled environment. So it's no surprise that they get a lot of chatter on different sites.

The levels are possibly accurate, but I believe its possible to move along them, and not think that its a steady progression.

There are many times when I enjoy a simple itc good time. The otc experiences are great, but they can be hit or miss.

I hope to never reach the highest level, as that is where the hobby becomes more work than it is worth.

-->"The levels are possibly accurate"
-->"I hope to never reach the highest level,"

That's the thing -- the levels AREN'T accurate... none of us want to reach the highest level (depending on what the definition of "long term relationship" is -- most of us are interpreting that as romantic, or more likely the PL deluding himself into thinking it's romantic). Plus, one of the nice things about stripper/customer relationships, even if it's ATF/Favecustomer, is how few strings are attached for someone to easily walk away. I'd say outside of one or two guys who I've seen post here over the years who married their strippers, none of us have reached, or want to reach, level 7. So, it's broken.

But, at least a few of us have gotten into PPM arrangement-like relationships with strippers, I wonder if that's a level 7 that (a few) people might enjoy. Having a level 7 that everyone hates and no one does is meaningless.

I will say that when I wrote this I had Gawker stories in mind, an ATF OTC LTR , however a given PL chooses to define it, not necessarily (but could be) a romantic relationship.

Well, if you'd just called it Gawker level, we'd all be giving you a standing ovation :) Of course, no one but gawker is capable of reaching that level, but so what?

lol ... I do think arrangement-like is a description would resonate more, and I know a few of us here enjoy that, and have had DM conversations with guys here who are actively pursuing it. "Long term relationship" is too loaded as a term for most people to cop to

#7 is a no go ever
It took years to go from 2&3 to 5 I kind of skipped 4
No much for the mess.
OTC is not a usual as I travel on the company dime and inviting girls to a company hotel room is a no no and OTC is dangerous I prefer the controlled environment of the club./

I prefer to look at it like boy scout merit badges but for PLs instead.

First OTC? Get a patch for it.

Is this intended to be a progression so that the highest level becomes the biggest loser? I’m sure 7 is more of a loss - than a victory.

For me there have been a few girls where after they quit we still keep in touch occasionally and had lunch as friends. Not at all a romantic relationship.

To me that would be what I would want from #7.

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1. Wide eyed Newbie
2. At the rail - Stage Tipper
3. Lap dance lover
4. Lap Dance King
5. ITC (extras) fun
6. OTC (extras) fun
7. Long Term Relationship

fuck .... lemme try one last time

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My progression through the various levels:

(1) Started very late (age 38) and was dragged into a strip club with a perverted friend from work. Before that I used to adjunct after work at a local state U. and had a few unpaid flings with students.

(3) I do remember first lap dance and thought it was amazing at the time. It was the first time the concept of paying for sex occurred to me.

(4) I'm incapable of cumming in my pants and that's been true at any age.

(5) There was a longer period of several years where I was looking for ITC in clubs in CA and CO. But gradually got annoyed with the blaring music, the bouncers, the cramped conditions, and lack of privacy. At this point, I barely consider ITC sex.

(6) First OTC experience was a big deal to me and remember picturing myself as middle-aged hunk. This was with a dancer pregnant at age 15 and who lived with her 5-yr-old kid in the most squalid conditions. The initial euphoria gave way to the depressing reality of a stripper barely making ends meet. After getting chlamydia from another dancer, that was the end of stripper OTC.

(7) I'll interpret (7) to mean sugaring and any long-term arrangement. I've had several gorgeous girls I met online from good families and with common interests. I get tested several times/yr and I also pay for SB testing. Taking your time, you can find some gems online. Still open to meeting someone in a club if it can be done safely.

One additional comment: the transition from stripper OTC to sugaring was done for quality and safety. Not everyone wants to put up with drugs, alcohol, and outside domestic abuse. Nothing glamorous about that.

^^^ Fair question and sugaring doesn't "protect" you from all all the pitfalls of the stripper scene. There's plenty of overlap for sure -- unstable SBs online, on a death spiral, and responsible strippers with an exit plan.

Thing is, there's probably two-orders of magnitude online to choose from in a big metro are like mine. And screening involves several platonic dates where you get an opportunity to find out what they're doing with life, school, and career goals. I've met three SB that would make great life partners if I were 30 years younger. OTOH I did have one SB who was victimized by sexual abuse in her childhood and she was plenty neurotic; didn't find that out until much later.

I think it's impossible to be on TUSCL for several years without coming to the realization that drugs/alcohol is a part of the stripper lifestyle. That doesn't mean all strippers partake in that lifestyle.

Depends on where you live. Around here the clubs are ordinary and the sugaring scene is vibrant.

===> "Thing is, there's probably two-orders of magnitude online to choose from in a big metro are like mine. And screening involves several platonic dates where you get an opportunity to find out what they're doing with life, school, and career goals."

For you guys who have the time and inclination to go through this and who get something from it, cool beans. As I always say, I will never criticize how another grown man spends his time and money.

But I wouldn't do this for all the tea in China. My cup overfloweth already with the wants, needs, goals and aspirations of females already in my life. I go to strip clubs and do OTC with strippers to be entertained, not to have a pseudo-GF experience.

That's not to say that I don't interact with them heavily ITC, because I do, and that includes hearing a lot of persona stuff. I enjoy a bit of a connection and it also gives me usable intel. I also don't get fazed by sad stories. But I don't have to invest a lot of time in it and can easily limit how much exposure I get. I just can't imagine having to pretend to give a shit over multiple "dates" just to eventually fuck her - it's the antithesis to why I go to the clubs.

"...not to have a pseudo-GF experience."

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That's also a fair point and there are plenty of SDs who become clingy and emotional. The Reddit forum is full of examples and most of these young SBs are repulsed by that kind of guy.

Doesn't describe me, though. It's fun, safe, entertainment and these girls are too young for any kind of emotional attachment. I'm not looking for a GF and any "real" GF would be age-appropriate.

If you're smart you stop at #6.

Based on my personal life and experience a lot of PL go from 1 to 7 skipping the rest. The PLs that avoid 7 are the ones having the most fun.