It's been a while since we went over this one. I notice some of us almost always write one or the other, stripper or dancer. Which term do you use and why? Do they mean the same thing?
In my mind, there IS a slight distinction between the two. I believe the term "stripper" refers to dancers for whom I have less respect. I don't think I've ever used the term "stripper" when talking about any of my faves, or ATF. (gotta add EvilCyn to my list of "dancers", too)
As I contemplate what I've just written, I probably should add that I will use the term "stripper" when talking with non-clubbing friends that wouldn't know that when I say "dancer" I am talking about an exotic dancer.
Good topic... on the surface, it seemed like a simple question, but it is somewhat thought provoking... or maybe it's the three Coors Lights I've injested. I will have to ask my ATF what she considers herself to be "dancer" or "stripper". I'd bet 90% of the strippers would say "dancer", when posed that question.
Hookers or Escorts? (again, it seems to me that the term "escort" implies a little higher quality (both looks and personality) than "hooker"... In my warped little mind, I'd probably place "prostitute" in between "hooker" and "escort".
If I'm discussing them amongst my friends, they're strippers. To their faces, I refer to them as dancers. The last time I called one a "stripper" to her face, I was cussed out & threatened with a scary 8" shoe.
If I'm talking to one and trying to be polite, I'll use the term dancer. Of course most of the other workers in the club it's ok to call them strippers, but your ATF will be a dancer. I believe the strippers/dancers prefer the term dancer when talking about themselves and maybe their friendly coworkers. A few strippers don't care but I believe most like the term dancer or exotic dancer.
I had a conversation about this with a favorite the last time I went out to the club. Most prefer being "dancers" because the term doesn't imply stripping and showing off boobies and stuff. (She's especially fond of the term "boobies".) But when I told her I was going on vacation soon, she told me I had to go to the clubs and see the strippers. It makes me wonder what she thinks of her profession. As for myself, I always call them dancers to their faces, but at work, for instance, they are strippers.
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Are we going to stripclubs or dance clubs? Therein lies the answer." Many are called Gentlemen's Clubs, so might they then be called "gentlemen"? I think not!
I'm not sure about elsewhere, but here I have usually used the term "dancer" especially when referring to a fave. But my ATF always calls them (including herself) "strippers" - she's not into euphemisms. So now that I think about it, maybe I will too. After all, that is what they are and that's why we go to see them.
I speak carefully around the girls and try never to use the word stripper. I don't know if would offend them, but if I were in their shoes, it might be slightly offensive to me, so I try to be repsectful. Being nice can't hurt.
I once told a dancer that I could not get a dance from her because her stage name was the same as my daughters. She said "You can call me anything you like". I said "How about Bitch?" She replied "That'll work". Actually ITC I usually refer to them as the GIRLS.
They mean the same thing to me, but I prefer "stripper". It's more honest than "dancer", which is intentionally ambiguous. It also sounds a hell of a lot more fun and exciting. Most strippers I know are fine with either term. Any who are offended by "stripper" seem to me like they must be hypersensitive or in denial, but maybe that's making too much of it. I've only come across them online or heard about them second hand.
This discussion reminds me vaguely of a girl who didn't like the term "having sex", it had to be "making love". Of course this seemed to only apply to her. My memory is so vague I can't remember how or why that conversation occurred but I do remember she didn't like me using one term. Maybe it was the same girl who didn't want to be called a stripper.
The ones who insist on being called "exotic performers" or "burlesque gentlemen's visual stimulation providers" are the ones who do a bad job at performing exotically or providing burlesque visual stimulation for gentlemen.
As late as the mid-80s, before I got married, it was rare to meet a girl who was cool with calling sex "fucking". Even most wild, slutty girls in singles bars would insist on calling it "making love". Something must have changed while I spent about a decade out of circulation. By the mid-90s, it seemed that very few girls were shy anymore about calling a fuck a fuck. Part of the anti-PC backlash, I suppose.
A similar change may have taken place with "stripper", and the advent of stripper-chic culture. Although the stigma of stripping hasn't gone away, insisting that they be called "exotic dancers" now seems to be widely considered corny and uptight. I figure any stripper I would offend by uttering the dreaded S-word probably isn't one I'd be comfortable with anyway.
Yeah, I doubt that any girl who has the balls to take off her clothes and grind herself against some guy's dick for living is going to be severely offended by the word "stripper" -- but for me, for some reason the word "stripper" evokes visions of fat, vaudevillian burlesque strippers -- a definite turn-off. That's why I don't like the word.
And exotic dancer just seems to 70's or 80's for me. I'll stick with "girls" or "dancers".
Let's face it, most of the girls we see working in clubs are neither strippers (very few of them strip in a classical sense, they just take off their skimpy costumes and get naked) or dancers (few of them can actually dance worth watching, or are in good enough shape to be considered a professional dancer.) So it doesn't really matter what we call them as long as we give them our money.
I like minnow's term P.E.P.!!!!! Or just plain old "Entertainers".
At PP in Memphis, they had two types of service girls. Dancers, who danced on stage and gave LDs. Entertainers who didn't dance on stage, but gave ONLY LDs. And they actually called themselves Entertainers.
Now, evilcyn is definately a DANCER, not a stripper. Believe me when I say this, evilcyn does not have to take off one stitch of clothing when giving her LDs. She is just PURE ENTERTAINMENT!!! :-)~
Entertainers? Oh, please. That's even more evasive than "dancers". I suppose some clubs feel they can charge a higher cover if they have the DJ call the strippers "entertainers", but I don't see how a customer can say it with a straight face. And where does it end? Might as well just extend this silly vagueness to its logical conclusion and call them "beings" or "entities"?
None of you previous posters recognized the prevalence of bikini clubs, where no clothing is removed. At the bikini club known as "Dangerous Curves", some of the girls dance on stage and some just walk around on stage. Since none of them strip, it would seem odd to call them strippers. But.... some of these same girls DO strip in other clubs, which allow stripping. There is no one perfect word, but "Entertainer" is probably the most accurate one in this situation.
By the way, some bikini clubs are very boring G-rated places. Others, such as Dangerous Curves, can get pretty erotic at times. Just because a girl has clothes on doesn't mean she can't be pretty dam erotic if she chooses.
Arbeeguy: The club that got me hooked on clubbing because of the "outrageous" contact that I received during a night of fun is a bikini club. Even though the bikini (both bottoms AND tops) stayed on, there wasn't anything off-limits!
Arbee, if you're talking about the Dangerous Curves in north Philly, I thought the place was G-strings and pasties. That's not my idea of a bikini club, in a bikini club they were a lot more than that. I haven't been there in years but I used to really like Dangerous Curves, I thought it was the best club within the city limits. I've had some great LDs there. It used to be my kinda place.
I asked one of my favorites the other day. Which she prefered to be called. She said that it did not make any difference to her but thought that dancer was more appropriate because they don't really strip.
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As I contemplate what I've just written, I probably should add that I will use the term "stripper" when talking with non-clubbing friends that wouldn't know that when I say "dancer" I am talking about an exotic dancer.
Good topic... on the surface, it seemed like a simple question, but it is somewhat thought provoking... or maybe it's the three Coors Lights I've injested. I will have to ask my ATF what she considers herself to be "dancer" or "stripper". I'd bet 90% of the strippers would say "dancer", when posed that question.
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Are we going to stripclubs or dance clubs? Therein lies the answer." Many are called Gentlemen's Clubs, so might they then be called "gentlemen"? I think not!
I speak carefully around the girls and try never to use the word stripper. I don't know if would offend them, but if I were in their shoes, it might be slightly offensive to me, so I try to be repsectful. Being nice can't hurt.
A similar change may have taken place with "stripper", and the advent of stripper-chic culture. Although the stigma of stripping hasn't gone away, insisting that they be called "exotic dancers" now seems to be widely considered corny and uptight. I figure any stripper I would offend by uttering the dreaded S-word probably isn't one I'd be comfortable with anyway.
And exotic dancer just seems to 70's or 80's for me. I'll stick with "girls" or "dancers".
You can leave your hat on, too.
At PP in Memphis, they had two types of service girls. Dancers, who danced on stage and gave LDs. Entertainers who didn't dance on stage, but gave ONLY LDs. And they actually called themselves Entertainers.
Now, evilcyn is definately a DANCER, not a stripper. Believe me when I say this, evilcyn does not have to take off one stitch of clothing when giving her LDs. She is just PURE ENTERTAINMENT!!! :-)~
By the way, some bikini clubs are very boring G-rated places. Others, such as Dangerous Curves, can get pretty erotic at times. Just because a girl has clothes on doesn't mean she can't be pretty dam erotic if she chooses.