The Bigger the Club, the Bigger the Hustle

Generally speaking, I think that’s true.

Not true for my area.

Yes I would generally agree with this. They got so many options and so much customer turnover why not try to get over on a few dudes (that’s if I thought like a crook) But I bear down because with that hustle usually comes some top talent.

The PL to dancer ratio often has a big impact. But if it's 5 guys and 5 girls the dancers are going to work hard on each guy. It it's 20 guys and 20 girls, the girls will circulate faster to try to find a sale

Generally true where I have been. Big clubs with large crowds force the dancers to hustle to find the golden PL.

@PaulDrake what's different in your area?

I think it is crowd size of course bigger clubs can have bigger crowds. If there are a lot of customers the dancers can make more money from guys that will agree to a dance right away and then move on to the next. If it’s a small crowd they feel they can make more money by slowly developing one of the few customers that are there maybe getting more or heigher priced dances.

Maybe. I think the most hustle happens when the girls think they have lots of other options than you. That's one reason to do dayshift. If there are bunches of other PL's sitting around, the girl wants to know quickly if she is going to make any money off you. If not, then she moves on. If she doesn't have many options, then she will spend some time with you.

“@PaulDrake what's different in your area?”

Paul’s main club has:
1. Lower customer turnover
2. A vip area where the norm is still 20/song in there, just like it is on the floor
3. A membership option that incentivizes customers to return
4. Active encouragement from management; I worked a few shifts at that club and when I got hired the manager gave me a speech about being patient with customers and sticking around before asking for a dance

This is not universally true by any stretch.

"Title says it all" is usually used when there's no body to the thread.

Redundancy can be kinda redundant sometimes.

Nitpicky!

In the clubs I hit, pretty-much what Warrior posted and why I prefer dayshifts (with the caveat I have decent dayshifts to hit).

And I think it has a bit more to do will the # of custies as opposed to the # dancers - you can often be treated like a king when the dancer/PL ratio is greater than 1.

^^ just in the mood to bust some PL-balls

:)

Probably like many others, when I was a greener PL I would equate a packed club with it being "good" and a slow club as it being "bad" - after a while I realized many of my better/more-enjoyable visits where on slow shifts (early-week dayshifts and even early-week nightshifts) - again with the caveat the clubs I hit had enough talent to my liking on those "slow shifts" (they were mostly slow custies-wise but decent # of dancers for the size crowd).

"... when I got hired the manager gave me a speech about being patient with customers and sticking around before asking for a dance ..."

How common is this in the clubs you've worked at? I think that is good business, but the way many dancers act in clubs it seems they get ZERO direction/training w.r.t. customer service.

I can tell when a club emphasizes customer service to the dancers:

+ you don't see them with their noses buried in their phones

+ e.g. Deans in North Miami is about the only club I've been in where the dancers *consistently* ask if they can sit with you (vs sitting themselves on your lap or at your table uninvited) - and as a result it's a very comfortable and enjoyable environment

Yeah @Nitpicky_Chulo (I keed) I agree. As I have gained experience mongering, I slowly migrated to slower shifts and smaller clubs due to the increased attention from dancers. When I was a rookie I would just go to the biggest and busiest club. Portland has tons of strippers and great small clubs with a high chance of finding a hottie as good as any busy shift. It takes more work to find them, but they are out there.

—>”How common is this in the clubs you've worked at? I think that is good business, but the way many dancers act in clubs it seems they get ZERO direction/training w.r.t. customer service.”

For me, Bucks was the only club where that happened. Managers generally just gave a 5 min walk around tour explaining prices and set up and maaaybe contact rules.

^ hmm - kinda what I thought

IME it has a lot more to do with: (1) the types of customers that visit the club; and (2) how much pressure the girls are under.

Clubs that cater to tourists and infrequent club attendees are more likely to be high hustle clubs because the girls can get away with it. These types of guys are more prone to giving in to pressure and less sensitive about overspending.

Also, clubs that charge high house fees and/or mandate things like drink sales are more likely to be filled with girls who are high hustle, since low hustle girls don't last long in these places. When you have to cover $100+ just to be there and/or have to hawk 6 or more drinks, you're under a lot of pressure to sell hard and fast.

And when you are in clubs where both conditions exist, look out. ;)

@rickdugan in general out here in Portland the bigger clubs are the two types that you describe. The downtown clubs are very touristy and are bigger than your average neighborhood dive club. And they definitely have a higher hustle. At the numerous smaller neighborhood clubs that cater to locals, although there is still hustle, it's more laid back.

Seems downtown clubs in many cities are higher-hustle

On dayshift I really don’t see a tremendous amount of hustlers, on nightshift end of week is when it seems the strongest, I generally avoid the clubs with the most hustles, like the shot girls and flower sellers, and a bartender or waitress looking for a tip from me usually knows enough to avoid the buy the lady a drink routine. As many years as I’ve been going to clubs I have seen most of them and as an aware consumer it takes a lot to get me to fall for the hustle.

@SirLapdancealot I used to travel to Portland somewhat regularly and the biggest club I visited was Spyce. I think they had 20 or more dancers working but I found that club to be relatively low hustle. There were some high hustle dancers there but most that approached me sat and talked for a good bit before even mentioning a private dance. To be fair I went on week nights and it was moderately busy but not dead at all.

@codemonkey trust me on this and realize that everything is relative - Spyce is higher hustle that our local neighborhood dives. I will completely agree though that compared to the nearby Golden Dragon the hustle at Spyce is much lower. I have been there on both weekend and weekday night shifts to confirm this. To me after living here for almost 20 years and all other things equal, the overall scene in Portland is lower hustle than other cities. That's probably why you didn't feel there was much hustle. But relatively speaking the hustle drops off when you get away from downtown and Casa Diablo (<- Portland's #1 high hustle and overrated club)

And for the record I love Spyce. Hustle and all. I'll just never be a regular there.

^ Casa Diablo is not quite downtown but it is big and ran by Portland's #1 ROB, making it the #1 high hustle club and the most expensive and most overrated.

Next time I go back I'll have to try some of those small clubs. I'm usually without a vehicle and staying in the downtown area so I've tended to stick to clubs I can reach easily using MAX.

"... Casa Diablo is not quite downtown but it is big and ran by Portland's #1 ROB ..."

I assume you're referring to the owner

^ Yes. Johnny "Diablo" is an ROB. He and his clubs set dance rates at $50 which drives the other clubs to compete. He also implemented $2 bills as the norm over $1 bills. And based on my conversations with many strippers he's sleazy. I don't support any of his clubs because he wants them to be high hustle. In my book he's our #1 ROB!

If it’s Casa, yeah I’ve definitely heard shady things about that club. And that Johnny Diablo used to require new girls to audition by giving him a lap dance and then explaining what type of mileage wasn’t allowed..by touching the dancers in the way that wasn’t allowed. (As opposed to just verbally stating the rules)

And then I know back in 2015 there was some kind of lawsuit brought against the club but I don’t think anything came of it.

@nicespice that's exactly what several strippers have said about Johnny D. Portland has so many better options than his clubs.

@codemonkey feel free to PM me or create a thread when you want to find a decent local dive club out here.

Glad I never tried Casa Diablo then.

@SirLapdancealot Thanks! I don't have any trips scheduled there at the moment but definitely ask you for recommendations next time I do.

So yeah in my area I tend to have my worst experiences in small low volume clubs. In addition to what nice spice said I will say at bucks I have only been "wanna danced" once by a new Cuban girl who was quickly fired after a bunch of regulars complained. At bucks girls always ask if they can sit with you. I have asked a few faves why they do that and it is not because of any club rule. It is simply because there are always tons of customers so they don't want to waste their time hustling someone who isn't interested. A busy club is a "target rich" enviorment for dancers.

@PaulDrake that sounds like a nice big club for regulars.