Is it peer pressure or PLs just being PLs ?
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
From a recent review of an NJ club - I'm intimately familiar w/ aggressive tip-parades in Miami and put my PL-foot down to deal w/ it but apparently NJ PLs can't bring themselves to say no to dancers in g-strings:
Breathless
Rahway, New Jersey
CentralNJGuy
New Jersey
Too Much $$$, Not Enough Variety
March 31, 2019
I had the week off from work so, after a few days out of town, I decided to spend a large part of my Thursday revisiting some of the area strip clubs. I would have been much better off attending the Yankees home opener as I would have at least been guaranteed a fun experience had I done that instead. I am not going to bother reviewing all of the clubs I went to, just some brief comments about some of them.
We all know about the ridiculous dollar parade which is always in full effect at Breathless, no matter when you go so no point in rambling on about that other than to say that I believe there may actually be such a thing as having too many girls working. This place has more dancers on staff at 12:30pm on a Monday afternoon than all other clubs have on Saturday nights. Having 6 or 7 girls on stage for 15 minutes who all come down for a tip, one right after the other, and then repeating the same process 4 times every hour is just too much. It would also be nice to have some diversity from which to choose. More than 90 percent of the women at Breathless are of Dominican or other Hispanic descent and do not speak fluent English. The lap dances are fairly high mileage (this time I did not get one as there wasn't anyone who caught my eye) and extras can definitely be had if you are into that (I'm really not), but this isn't like going to the Sansone Auto Mall up the road where you can find dozens of different models. It's basically a lot of the same type of car with the occasional stray trade in thrown in. I don't understand why they don't hire any American women to dance here. Or is that the Americans don't want anything to do with this place?
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mikie27
Michigan
lotsoffun201
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DOLLAR_BILL
New Jersey
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sarsta
In a VIP near you
Yesterday
This doesn’t make sense. There is plenty of clubs filled with American girls, and they are not hard to find.
NJBalla
New York
Yesterday
Im not a fan of the dollar parade either, but after a few visits my understanding is most guys dont come here for lap dances. This is a club where you come for the eye candy and to enjoy a few drinks. Clubs dont discriminate when it comes to hiring certain enthnicities. However, girls are very cliquish when it comes to ethnicity. You will find brazilians like to hang with brazilians, spanish like hanging with spanish, russians/kazakhs/ukranians hang together, and americans (black, white) tend to hang out together. Also guys who are into a certain type of woman tend to go to certain clubs so an "american" girl wouldnt make a lot of money here.
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Yesterday
Tips are not mandatory - can't you just say no and/or just tips the girls you want - I assume most dancers will still give you dances if you don't tip (why turn down the dance $$$) - these tip parades making custies feel obligated kinda feel like a shakedown
NJBalla
New York
20 Hours Ago
@papi This is a place where if you dont plan to tip its best to just not come. Other bars have areas where you can sit to avoid the parade, but this bar was designed for girls to make money on the tip parade. If you dont want to tip you would have to say no to 20 girls per hour which would be tiring for me. Most bars I budget around $15 for tips, $20 on drinks and $100 on a LD. This place you have to budget $50 for tips, $10 on drinks and $60 for a LD. Most guys who come here dont ask for LD as well which is why the tip parade has to be so high. If it wasnt girls would find other places to make money. That and most of the girls here cant give a great LD, but they are nice to look at and dance well on the stage
CentralNJGuy
New Jersey
12 Hours Ago
Also I would feel awkward saying no to many of the dancers when nobody else is resisting the constant barrage of tip requests. Probably the best bet would be to completely stay away since the shakedown is obviously not going to stop.
K
New Jersey
12 Hours Ago
The tip parade is what drives me away from many clubs. The dancers circulate behind the bar non stop asking for a dollar. You can say no but the dancers get hostile or just won't walk away. It ruins the experience. Managers do nothing so I take my business elsewhere.
Black betty's only let's the dancer on stage accept tips after her stage set is done. One lap around the bar and she is done. GGR forbids the dancers from asking for a tip. They may accept them but can not ask.
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
9 Hours Ago
Some clubs down here in Miami have very aggressive tip parades - some of these clubs are fairly large with 50+ dancers and a lot of custies on a busy night and dancers milk the tip parade where not only the dancer that gets off stage asks for a tip for her stage set, but there are dancers that circulate the club all night asking for tips to where during the course of one song you can have up to a half dozen girls come up to you asking for a tip and you spend half your visit reaching into your pocket for $1s - and it seems the more you tip the more they approach you - it was too much and one is taken for a chump and I just started saying no bc I felt I was being taken advantage of - some of the girls got nasty but it didn't last long and they more aggressive ones stopped asking me for tips and would just walk past me w/o asking me and go to the next chump that couldn't say no (I would still tip the ones I liked) - after I started saying no I would observe the guys that couldn't say no and they looked like trained monkeys giving a tip every 20-seconds non fucking stop, ridiculous.
Yeah many times I would avoid those clubs bc of the tio parade but if I felt like going I would and just tip as I felt.
Many dancers do a lot of the shit they do bc too many custies don't stand up to them.
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Breathless
Rahway, New Jersey
CentralNJGuy
New Jersey
Too Much $$$, Not Enough Variety
March 31, 2019
I had the week off from work so, after a few days out of town, I decided to spend a large part of my Thursday revisiting some of the area strip clubs. I would have been much better off attending the Yankees home opener as I would have at least been guaranteed a fun experience had I done that instead. I am not going to bother reviewing all of the clubs I went to, just some brief comments about some of them.
We all know about the ridiculous dollar parade which is always in full effect at Breathless, no matter when you go so no point in rambling on about that other than to say that I believe there may actually be such a thing as having too many girls working. This place has more dancers on staff at 12:30pm on a Monday afternoon than all other clubs have on Saturday nights. Having 6 or 7 girls on stage for 15 minutes who all come down for a tip, one right after the other, and then repeating the same process 4 times every hour is just too much. It would also be nice to have some diversity from which to choose. More than 90 percent of the women at Breathless are of Dominican or other Hispanic descent and do not speak fluent English. The lap dances are fairly high mileage (this time I did not get one as there wasn't anyone who caught my eye) and extras can definitely be had if you are into that (I'm really not), but this isn't like going to the Sansone Auto Mall up the road where you can find dozens of different models. It's basically a lot of the same type of car with the occasional stray trade in thrown in. I don't understand why they don't hire any American women to dance here. Or is that the Americans don't want anything to do with this place?
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Value2
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mikie27
Michigan
lotsoffun201
Vegas Baby
DOLLAR_BILL
New Jersey
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sarsta
In a VIP near you
Yesterday
This doesn’t make sense. There is plenty of clubs filled with American girls, and they are not hard to find.
NJBalla
New York
Yesterday
Im not a fan of the dollar parade either, but after a few visits my understanding is most guys dont come here for lap dances. This is a club where you come for the eye candy and to enjoy a few drinks. Clubs dont discriminate when it comes to hiring certain enthnicities. However, girls are very cliquish when it comes to ethnicity. You will find brazilians like to hang with brazilians, spanish like hanging with spanish, russians/kazakhs/ukranians hang together, and americans (black, white) tend to hang out together. Also guys who are into a certain type of woman tend to go to certain clubs so an "american" girl wouldnt make a lot of money here.
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Yesterday
Tips are not mandatory - can't you just say no and/or just tips the girls you want - I assume most dancers will still give you dances if you don't tip (why turn down the dance $$$) - these tip parades making custies feel obligated kinda feel like a shakedown
NJBalla
New York
20 Hours Ago
@papi This is a place where if you dont plan to tip its best to just not come. Other bars have areas where you can sit to avoid the parade, but this bar was designed for girls to make money on the tip parade. If you dont want to tip you would have to say no to 20 girls per hour which would be tiring for me. Most bars I budget around $15 for tips, $20 on drinks and $100 on a LD. This place you have to budget $50 for tips, $10 on drinks and $60 for a LD. Most guys who come here dont ask for LD as well which is why the tip parade has to be so high. If it wasnt girls would find other places to make money. That and most of the girls here cant give a great LD, but they are nice to look at and dance well on the stage
CentralNJGuy
New Jersey
12 Hours Ago
Also I would feel awkward saying no to many of the dancers when nobody else is resisting the constant barrage of tip requests. Probably the best bet would be to completely stay away since the shakedown is obviously not going to stop.
K
New Jersey
12 Hours Ago
The tip parade is what drives me away from many clubs. The dancers circulate behind the bar non stop asking for a dollar. You can say no but the dancers get hostile or just won't walk away. It ruins the experience. Managers do nothing so I take my business elsewhere.
Black betty's only let's the dancer on stage accept tips after her stage set is done. One lap around the bar and she is done. GGR forbids the dancers from asking for a tip. They may accept them but can not ask.
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
9 Hours Ago
Some clubs down here in Miami have very aggressive tip parades - some of these clubs are fairly large with 50+ dancers and a lot of custies on a busy night and dancers milk the tip parade where not only the dancer that gets off stage asks for a tip for her stage set, but there are dancers that circulate the club all night asking for tips to where during the course of one song you can have up to a half dozen girls come up to you asking for a tip and you spend half your visit reaching into your pocket for $1s - and it seems the more you tip the more they approach you - it was too much and one is taken for a chump and I just started saying no bc I felt I was being taken advantage of - some of the girls got nasty but it didn't last long and they more aggressive ones stopped asking me for tips and would just walk past me w/o asking me and go to the next chump that couldn't say no (I would still tip the ones I liked) - after I started saying no I would observe the guys that couldn't say no and they looked like trained monkeys giving a tip every 20-seconds non fucking stop, ridiculous.
Yeah many times I would avoid those clubs bc of the tio parade but if I felt like going I would and just tip as I felt.
Many dancers do a lot of the shit they do bc too many custies don't stand up to them.
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I don’t run into clubs too often with tip parade but im not gonna lie it’s fucking annoying. Unless it’s a 7 up factory a tip parade place will never be my go to club.
Are you feeling insecure and need to knock others down to stoke your ego? Go ahead if it makes you feel good about yourself.
You took a jab at us but you cant take one back? Thin skin.
Per NJBalla's comment:
"... Most bars I budget around $15 for tips, $20 on drinks and $100 on a LD. This place you have to budget $50 for tips ..."
Which makes me think the dancers at this club may be over-aggressive w/ the tip-parade which IMO/IME can be more annoying than the avg tip-parade.
As Nidan posted, some custies like the tip-parade but seems many if not most don't wanna be treated as a piggy-bank and having to be reaching into your pocket continuously to tip instead of just being able to enjoy your visit - in many of these clubs even if you are talking to a dancer, the tip-parade will interrupt for their tip - in some clubs w/ floor-dances they'll interrupt your f'ing dance to ask you for a tip - not saying this is what happens at the club in the OP, just commenting what I've seen and how annoying it can be.
My patience would run out within minutes in any place like what is mentioned here that more or less sounds like you're guilted into constant tipping. Not my scene, and it directly interferes with SC agenda. I'd be a hard pass.
Perhaps you have no concept of trash talk, fans of one team or residents of one state go back and forth with the fans or residents of another trading jabs and barbs.
Why are new yorkers so depressed? Because the light at the end of the tunnel is new jersey.
Eskimos put the weak and feeble minded on an ice sheet and set them adrift. We in nj arent as kind, we send ours to florida.
my comment should make it obvious i say no. I take my business elsewhere. I do this with every business with crappy product or service. I consider the tip parade to be crappy service.
Why is this a jersey phenomenom? I have no fucking idea. Some theories - we have many small, divey, very local, low-key gogos that serve a usually low-roller, neighborhood crowd where singles are more likely to be spent than twenties. The more well known, larger clubs that draw people from a wider area typically dont have an intense dollar parade. Ive never been to the club in question so i cant speak to this place specifically, im talking in general.
Any club that has a full bar cannot by law have nudity on stage. I know of zero all-nude juice bars that have a dollar parade, at these places you stage tip, the juice bar is totally separate from the stage area and dancers circulate throughout an open club. This law is, im guessing, to protect dancers/staff and to keep the crowd under control. The inaccesible-stage-behind-the-bar format may be encouraged by laws, municipal ordinances or insurance rates for the same reasons. Its these places that have the intense dollar parade and for whatever reason this format seems popular in jersey. for the record many of these smaller, divey places are a lot of fun, have very hot dancers and some are basically anything goes.
Tipping these girls barside has become an expected cultural norm in these clubs and easily 90+% of the guys sitting at the bar are giving each girl at least a buck. So if you start refusing, you can expect lots of pouty looks and uncomfortable long moments with girls just standing there and staring. That alone makes many guys just buckle. Not that wouldn't bother me so much and I'm sure it wouldn't faze many other hard core tusclers either. But unfortunately, bucking the norm has other consequences, including the assumption by many of the dancers to assume that the guy is cheap or broke, which is not a good look for those who are trying to attract hotties.
The NJ boys understand all of this, which is why they've been making their counterpoints. Yes it sucks and leads to charity tipping and high cash burn rates, but they understand that bucking this cultural norm leads to lots of min-dramas and a distinct lack of female companionship in the seat next to you. Sometimes you just have to be there to fully soak in the situation.
The girls, non-dancer employees and owner all need to be paid. The customers are the only ones paying. Different clubs do it differently. As long as you understand what the pricing is, you can make a decision as to whether or not it’s worth it to you.
It’s not a judgment about whether or not you’re a wuss. That’s either true or not regardless.
On the positive, you rarely see a skip song or girls trying to get out of stage because they know that they are going to get something. In fact, in those clubs, I've heard girls bitching about the DJ putting them up less often than other girls. It's also an incentive for hot girls to work even on slow nights because they know they aren't going to leave the club in the hole.
But it also sucks because it makes clubbing even more expensive, especially in a couple of Jersey clubs where the girls abused the shit out of it - shout out to Johnny A Hitching Post on that one, where it was painfully bad. It also subsidizes B and C Team talent that might otherwise hang it up.
The only thing that I've found even worse are dollar tip parades in places like Milwaukee. Each girl that does a stage set circulates around the club after for a tip. If you want to talk about abuse, I am certain that half the girls who do this were never on stage to begin with and it constantly interrupts the flow with whichever girl one is sitting with.
Rant aside, I’d agree that a tip walk like the one described by the OP of $25-30 an hour is pretty steep.
But imagine a place that puts 4-5 girls on stage for 15-20 minutes at a time (depending on how many girls are on duty) and each crew does two tip walks, one in the middle and one at the end. That's what Gallagher's 2000 is like on the night shift.and some of the Jersey clubs are as bad or worse. The cash burn rate can easily exceed $40-50 per hour, especially if you give girls you really like more than a single.
This is why I club sparingly in the northeast nowadays. Since moving south, I get to party in places where I have a lot more control over how I spend my $$$, so I tend not to blow my SC budget in churn em and burn em places in NJ and NYC.
They don't generally approach you if you stage tipped. If they do, a simple "I got you on stage" suffices.
If I don't want to tip a dancer I won't watch her set. When she comes around I simply tell her that I didn't see her dance as I was otherwise engaged. Usually I'm talking with one of the girls.
If I watch her stage set, I feel I should give her at least $1.
They don't generally approach you if you stage tipped. If they do, a simple "I got you on stage" suffices.
If I don't want to tip a dancer I won't watch her set. When she comes around I simply tell her that I didn't see her dance as I was otherwise engaged. Usually I'm talking with one of the girls.
If I watch her stage set, I feel I should give her at least $1.
The "well the dancers gotta make $$$" is bullshit - most clubs don't have a tip-parade and I don't see them devoid of dancers; it isn't the custies' responsibilities to make sure dancers make $$$ anymore than one should buy something when walking into a store to make sure the store makes $$$ - if anything it can be argued a tip-parade may hurts business, and may hurt the dancers more than help them - having to tip a dancer just b/c she asks is analogous to having to get dances in the club from dancers you don't like b/c "hey the dancers gotta make $$$"
I have not been to the club in question, but have been in clubs with tip-parades and club w/ dancer drink hustles - the custies there are often getting raped with either hustle and they tip even if they don't want to - I've been in these types clubs and it hasn't hurt my ability to do what I went to the club for - i.e. I go to the club to get dances not participate in constant tipping - and for the most-part a dancer at these clubs has not refused to give me dances when I've wanted them (which would make sense that they don' pass up the dance $$$).
To each their own, but saying that saying no to a dancer is not an option I think is a chump move and being afraid - if you don't mind the tip-parade, or enjoy it, fine - but if you dislike it you should not be so easily intimidated.
also none of the places i frequent do a drink hustle, never seen it or have it happen to me in dozens of visits so i dont understand that analogy. pretty sure that did happen to me in florida though so maybe thats common down there. actually most of the girls at these places are pretty laid back, they just want their dollar on their turn and maybe to dance for you. its not a hustle unless some lazy, ugly or fat chick abuses the concept. then you tell em to earn it. again most of these places have no cover, no parking fees, no phone/coat checks, $3-$5 beers, etc. its just kinda part of the deal. my main gripe is that it does subsidize lazy and non-attractive (or niche) dancers.
it very rarely impacts my mission either. you sit through a few rounds of parade to see the lineup and chat em up while giving the dollar to pick your ld girl.
Sure, you can stick to your guns and simply refuse to tip, but you'll be dealing with constant mini-dramas all night and you will definitely be doing so alone. You can also be one of the wallflowers - they do exist - but you'll still be alone, both because (1) the girls consider the wallflowers to be the broke asses, which is often true; and (2) they gravitate to guys at the bar who tip them the best and otherwise seem generous.
Now you see why I enjoyed travel clubs so much when I first started posting on this site. Places like SC, FL and TX, among others, seemed like a breath of fresh air compared to my local options.
Once I realized it wasn’t worth fighting the system, I even found something that was a positive. In a club like the Millstream in Maryland, the dancers are very low pressure so you have to be more aggressive if you want attention. Compounding it, the $30 non-room dances suck. The value is in the 15/30 minute rooms which cost $180/300. Yes, clubbing here is difficult. Before dropping that kind of change, I like to spend a little time with a dancer to assess whether it’s likely to be worth it. You can get their attention by tipping at the stage, but you’re likely to get interrupted, it’s not much time and everyone in the club is watching. All you have to do is wait for their tip walk. When they come around, run your game and keep your money in your pocket until you’ve asked her if she’s free to come back and sit with you or whatever your move is. She’ll hang around until you pay the buck. It’s still not great, but at least you get a little intel for your buck.
Or you can bitch about the tip walk, sit in a strip club incurring the wrath of the dancers and be miserable. But at least you can go home and tell yourself “I didn’t cave in” before you jerk off and go to sleep. To each his own.
my dance requirement is :
1. looks.
2. sexiness.
3. possibles.
Number two and number one are equally rated.
How long do you stay in the club, 20 minutes? Also, you're comparing apples and bananas by comparing tip walks to high cover charges - one has nothing to do with the other and there are plenty of clubs that have both. The girls don't generally get a piece of the cover charges.
Oh, and to be clear, in many places the tip walk sucks ass. It is abused in many places and more guys SHOULD stand up to it. Maybe your willingness to keep lecturing us is simply a function of your ignorance on the matter, idk, but it's getting tiresome and it's also a lot less customer-ish than I expected from you.
Look back up at your posts to see why I responded the way I did. I've clubbed in MD several times and maybe it's the relatively benign nature of the tip walk system there that has led you to feel the way you do, idk. But in some places the girls abuse the shit out of it and it is certainly ok for guys to object to that.
As a matter of principle, I'm also not particularly thrilled being pressured to give money to every pig that thinks that she deserves a medal just for taking her clothes off and I think that most guys would agree - in some places those girls leave and are replaced by hotties rather than dancing on through charity subsidies. The hottest girls should also be less than thrilled as some of that is money that could have gone to them.
Again, just sayin.'
If I don’t like the price I go somewhere else.
And who knows, if enough guys complain about it and stop just accepting it, then maybe change will happen. Nothing lasts forever.
Besides, if you were forced to factor in $50 to 80 per hour on busy night shift (including extra tipping to girls you like), you might be complaining too. That of course is on top of a $20 cover, $40 or more per hour in drinks, lapdances if you buy them, etc. In fact, I never come out of one of those NY/NJ tip walk clubs down less than $300, even when I don't do any dances. There's nothing wrong with talking about that here.
Point taken - I think the guys that get upset the most are the ones that strongly dislike the tip-parade but still pay up every time - in the Miami tip parade clubs, I just nod my head no or just say no thanks although it being Rome per say I do tip the girls I like and/or may wanna get dances with - thus in my personal case I neither get angry, nor shunned by the dancers I'm interested in bc it'd be dumb for them not to take my dance $$$ just bc I don't tip every girl - and the dancers themselves know lots of girls milk the tip-parade and take advantage (in the Miami tip-parade clubs).
Not every one is comfortable SCing the same way - and there are pros & cons to SCing in different areas and in different clubs - I was just noting that from my personal experience tipping every girl in a tip-parade club is not the only acceptable way to club in those clubs.
Also fair point Rick. Nothing wrong with complaining about excessive tip walks. I made that point in my reviews of Excape (tip walk every song, meaning no dancer on stage half the time) and Fantasies (2 girls on stage for one song = $2 every 3 and a half minutes). My point is that the concept of the tip walk just needs to be considered in light of everything else. It’s why every review of PHC Detroit or Follies mentions the valet, coat check, etc.