All this talk about politics...

^^^^^^ front room makeout sessions, not trying to get girls to agree to sex acts for money.

Otherwise paying for cabana's is a chump's game.

SJG

To be fair “more fun” is a big red flag

If we had UBI nicespice, you would get it, as everyone does. And as I propose, you could give up 1/2 of that to live in a public housing tower. But those towers would also tend to keep private rents from going over that, for basic living.

So you would have that. Then if you wanted employment or to start a business, your chances would be better as the economy has been expanded.

Then you could also have more free college available to you if you wished.

SJG

“To be fair “more fun” is a big red flag”

Red flag for what? I know I would be having more fun for sure.

^^^^^ Do you want "more fun", ie. as in more escapism?

Red flag, meaning a warning?

or meaning symbol of the Left?

SJG

I wanna have some fun babes, lets do a front room make out session : )

Not in a cabana. It’s impossible to have a front groom makeout session when you’re already playing the chump game

Comrade Stalin Justice Giver does not understand sarcasm and dry wit from clever dancer.

NS can you provide more details? is a cabana vip or something else? what services did you offer?

Smash that like button!

Lmao 25. Luckily by the time we have UBI the garden of money trees will be ripe. Hopw do you spell whiny, lazy person? M I L L E N I A L.

^ I own a money tree as well it’s called a business, where I work when I need money ;) Goddamn Baby Boomers;))

Elizabeth Warren says you have no right to all the branches on that tree........the fed gets the five largest ones.....you get the trunk...aka the "shaft'.............

^ She will pry 1/1024 of it from my cold dead fingers ;) Goddamn Baby Boomers;)

Baby Boomers are unique in that we are and most likely will be the only generation in history to have a far bnetter life than our parents AND our children. Based on that the infantile jealousy of the young is understandable.

Front room makeout session? Uncompensated?

Sounds like the kind of notion from a patriarchal white male capitalist who wishes to keep us young dancers in slavery :(

I’m all for slavery to the patriarchy;) Goddamn Baby Boomers

How about a front room BBBJ instead? ;-)

If I was anywhere near ATX I would distribute more than just cash your way, nicespice. Sorry in advance if I get any in your hair.

^ what a gentleman;)

I'm a gentleman in public and a whore behind doors

I've never said anything about front room makeout sessions being uncompensated. Most all time and attention in strip clubs cost money. No point in fighting this. I've always suggested leading by demonstrating generosity. It shows good intentions and respect, and it suggests that more money can be coming. But you don't have to discuss it with her, you just give it to her.

We live in an economy of complete excess. Need to start understanding this. Georges Bataille proposes going more to a gift economy.

SJG

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Guys accept the clip joint modality, so that is what we end up with.

SJG

What’s wrong with clip joints?

^ So you never told me is that a yes or a no?

The old idea of a clip joint, as explained in Larry Flint's book, is you can have a drink with the girl in the front room, or you can pay like $300 and have a drink with the girl in the VIP Room.

Now nothing is going to happen in the VIP Room that doesn't happen in the front room. But some guys just want to be separated from their money.

Clip joints sell fantasy instead of delivery. So to Flint's credit, he decided not to make his clubs be like clip joints.

So fast forward about 15 years and come out to San Francisco. Lap dancing started, all front room, and no rules about tips. So the money just flows, between you and the girl.

Jim and Artie did fire girls found to be engaging in FS, but otherwise no rules. So there was FIV and even some FIA, but there was also a good deal of DFKing.

So after Jim and Artie humiliated Dianne Feinstein by prevailing in a felony jury trial, legalizing lap dancing, then the big brave soldiers of the Italian Mafia came in. They built the back rooms. And then Deja Vu came in.

They changed the clubs from front room friendliness, to "wanna dance" clubs.

In San Francisco no one is going to say that kissing is illegal. But DV wants money, and also using the back rooms makes it easier for the girl to maintain total control of the interaction. She does not have to open up emotionally.

So it is a con. What will happen in these back rooms is pretty crumby, girls who have learned how to dissociate.

What does work is DATYing them in the dance booths. And girls who have recited the "I don't kiss line", have been not too much later demonstrably reversing themselves.

Okay, but these are all work arounds to a negative situation created by Deja Vu, and in a metro where such controls are totally unnecessary.

If one wants a good experience with a girl in a strip club, that means you want to have a free form unstructured interaction. You can and should be feeding her money, but no time and money formula or anything else has been agreed to.

I learned this from making out with an extremely cute black girl in Pre-DV New Century. Much of what instigated it was that she was doing open tongue kissing with another girl as the end of her stage set. In real life that is an extreme turn on.

But then even in our own no touching clubs, sometimes girls do do fiery DFKing. Seemingly they are bored and want an immediate OTC.

In the clip joint they enforce unnecessary rules ( very limited touching in San Francisco ), just to make a guy believe he will get something which he will not. And this is a girl who will open up and be herself and let go.

This would in fact be very unlikely, unless she is already engaging in a front room makeout session.

There is a place Skin Cabaret in Scottsdale AZ. It is a dive. But there are multiple accounts of a blonde girl making out with customers in the front room.

Some guys do not like her looks, but probably this is being influenced by the capacity she is serving in. They look down on her. But these front room makeout sessions would seem to be how she gets guys into the back room, presumably for FS.

When strip clubs moved from front room friendliness to selling dances, the quality and the mileage did not necessarily increase. Mostly it just increased the house cut of the money, and it also meant that the dancers would be more able to control the interaction, because once they guy agrees and becomes obligated to pay, he pretty much has to let her do it her way.

I also learned because in our underground circuit, at its best, it is just a dollar at a time pay as you go. So if you want to keep horsing around with the girl, you just keep feeding her money. Otherwise send her on her way. They used party tapes with no gaps between songs. So the girls get more money because the house cut is a flat rate for the whole show, and they just keep raking in money every minute. They don't have to sell dances, they just do, and then try to get money. Experienced dancers insist that they get more money than in the "wanna dance" places.

How far things went in these clubs varied, and there were limits. But such limits were not always enforced. And those girls are all always seeking all the OTC they can get. So if they want to get that, kissing is not out of the question.

The best then is to select the girl you want and approach her yourself. Demonstrate generosity before she asks, and get to know her, and let a front room make out session ensue.

Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.

Then as she has extended herself so far, take her home with you and continue to see her regularly.

And of all the accounts of TJ, it is like this, except that often the girls are driving the move to front room DFKing, running from aggressive to extremely aggressive.

A lot of this is just because they hire enough girls that they have to compete to get the arribas. And then they also do abajos, stage side DATYing. And of that Miami VIP Room there are accounts of BBBJing, and it sounds like FS is fine there too. Great before taking her to eat, and then for TLN arriba.

But it is not just our laws which make US clubs inferior to TJ, it is also because the American customers like to play the chump and they buy dances without a front room makeout session.

Very dumb. Shouldn't take a girl to the back room to see if she is good. Only take her to the back room because she is already being good in the front room.

And if she talks about kissing in the back room, ignore that. If she really wants to be engaging in kissing, she will be doing it instead of talking about it.

SJG

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A most impressive article:

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The origins of freemasonry : facts & fictions / Margaret C. Jacob. (2006)

Ending the Punishment of Poverty: Supreme Court Rules Against High Fines & Civil Asset Forfeiture democracynow.org

Frances Fox Piven, Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate Center, CUNY youtube.com

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NOLO, Bourbon Street doxyspotting.com

AZTECA youtube.com

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The old idea of a clip joint, as explained in Larry Flint's book, is you can have a drink with the girl in the front room, or you can pay like $300 and have a drink with the girl in the VIP Room.

Now nothing is going to happen in the VIP Room that doesn't happen in the front room. But some guys just want to be separated from their money.

Clip joints sell fantasy instead of delivery. So to Flint's credit, he decided not to make his clubs be like clip joints.

So fast forward about 15 years and come out to San Francisco. Lap dancing started, all front room, and no rules about tips. So the money just flows, between you and the girl.

Jim and Artie did fire girls found to be engaging in FS, but otherwise no rules. So there was FIV and even some FIA, but there was also a good deal of DFKing.

So after Jim and Artie humiliated Dianne Feinstein by prevailing in a felony jury trial, legalizing lap dancing, then the big brave soldiers of the Italian Mafia came in. They built the back rooms. And then Deja Vu came in.

They changed the clubs from front room friendliness, to "wanna dance" clubs.

In San Francisco no one is going to say that kissing is illegal. But DV wants money, and also using the back rooms makes it easier for the girl to maintain total control of the interaction. She does not have to open up emotionally.

So it is a con. What will happen in these back rooms is pretty crumby, girls who have learned how to dissociate.

What does work is DATYing them in the dance booths. And girls who have recited the "I don't kiss line", have been not too much later demonstrably reversing themselves.

Okay, but these are all work arounds to a negative situation created by Deja Vu, and in a metro where such controls are totally unnecessary.

If one wants a good experience with a girl in a strip club, that means you want to have a free form unstructured interaction. You can and should be feeding her money, but no time and money formula or anything else has been agreed to.

I learned this from making out with an extremely cute black girl in Pre-DV New Century. Much of what instigated it was that she was doing open tongue kissing with another girl as the end of her stage set. In real life that is an extreme turn on.

But then even in our own no touching clubs, sometimes girls do do fiery DFKing. Seemingly they are bored and want an immediate OTC.

In the clip joint they enforce unnecessary rules ( very limited touching in San Francisco ), just to make a guy believe he will get something which he will not. And this is a girl who will open up and be herself and let go.

This would in fact be very unlikely, unless she is already engaging in a front room makeout session.

There is a place Skin Cabaret in Scottsdale AZ. It is a dive. But there are multiple accounts of a blonde girl making out with customers in the front room.

Some guys do not like her looks, but probably this is being influenced by the capacity she is serving in. They look down on her. But these front room makeout sessions would seem to be how she gets guys into the back room, presumably for FS.

When strip clubs moved from front room friendliness to selling dances, the quality and the mileage did not necessarily increase. Mostly it just increased the house cut of the money, and it also meant that the dancers would be more able to control the interaction, because once they guy agrees and becomes obligated to pay, he pretty much has to let her do it her way.

I also learned because in our underground circuit, at its best, it is just a dollar at a time pay as you go. So if you want to keep horsing around with the girl, you just keep feeding her money. Otherwise send her on her way. They used party tapes with no gaps between songs. So the girls get more money because the house cut is a flat rate for the whole show, and they just keep raking in money every minute. They don't have to sell dances, they just do, and then try to get money. Experienced dancers insist that they get more money than in the "wanna dance" places.

How far things went in these clubs varied, and there were limits. But such limits were not always enforced. And those girls are all always seeking all the OTC they can get. So if they want to get that, kissing is not out of the question.

The best then is to select the girl you want and approach her yourself. Demonstrate generosity before she asks, and get to know her, and let a front room make out session ensue.

Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.

Then as she has extended herself so far, take her home with you and continue to see her regularly.

And of all the accounts of TJ, it is like this, except that often the girls are driving the move to front room DFKing, running from aggressive to extremely aggressive.

A lot of this is just because they hire enough girls that they have to compete to get the arribas. And then they also do abajos, stage side DATYing. And of that Miami VIP Room there are accounts of BBBJing, and it sounds like FS is fine there too. Great before taking her to eat, and then for TLN arriba.

But it is not just our laws which make US clubs inferior to TJ, it is also because the American customers like to play the chump and they buy dances without a front room makeout session.

Very dumb. Shouldn't take a girl to the back room to see if she is good. Only take her to the back room because she is already being good in the front room.

And if she talks about kissing in the back room, ignore that. If she really wants to be engaging in kissing, she will be doing it instead of talking about it.

SJG

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How to Build a Radio Telescope youtube.com

How Composers use Fibonacci Numbers & Golden Ratio | Composing with Fibonacci youtube.com

How to Make Plasma, and Vacuum Devices (Fusion Reactors, Magnetrons and More!) youtube.com

Losing Arguments with Your Wife After Her Brain Surgery - Jim Gaffigan youtube.com

A most impressive article:

nytimes.com

The origins of freemasonry : facts & fictions / Margaret C. Jacob. (2006)

Ending the Punishment of Poverty: Supreme Court Rules Against High Fines & Civil Asset Forfeiture democracynow.org

Frances Fox Piven, Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate Center, CUNY youtube.com

amazon.com

NOLO, Bourbon Street doxyspotting.com

AZTECA youtube.com

Peter Green - In The Skies ( Full Album ) 1979 youtube.com

youtube.com

I love the smell of napalm in the morning youtube.com

^ what the fuck is wrong with you, it’s like you published your whole fucking response to War & Peace you stupid motherfucker

^^^^^^^ Mamisan is on her way.

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SJG

Oh God here comes the Harry Potter porn...

^^^^^ Do you need Mamisan to visit you next?

SJG

@twentyfive san_jose_creep uses TUSCL to live vicariously through readinh real PL's stripper interactions and to project his own personal fantasy of how he thinks one should club. He doesn't actually know what goes on in strip clubs anymore because he's homeless and broke in San Jose. So what you get from him is simply his personal delusions about strip clubs. It's all he has.

To support what I'm saying please note that he only mentioned above that he interacted with a black stripper in the 1980s or 1990s at New Century. This is his last real experience at an actual strip club. Also note that he stated -> "Now nothing is going to happen in the VIP Room that doesn't happen in the front room. " This is so patently false in almost every strip club that to claim it is an admission that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

So ultimately what's "wrong" with san_jose_creep is that he's just a poser PL/monger that uses TUSCL to feed his stripper fantasies because that's all he's got.

^ my fucking point was this was a light hearted fun thread and that stupid motherfucker just shit all over it because he's a miserable cocksucker who can’t stand to see anyone just having some easygoing fun.

LOL and that's my point too!

^ him being a miserable cocksucker and all

And SirLapdancealot has finally reached his ultimate life objective, being able to suck his own cock.

are you 25 trying to follow his example?

SJG

And san_jose_creep resorts to insults when faced with his reality.

I guess SLD has now found that he likes sucking on 12 gauge muzzles even better.

SJG

Comrade Stalin Justice Giver is a new pogram in order?

No, but I believe that SLD is going to get what he seeks.

I love the smell of blown out brains in the morning.

SJG

There’s is no difference between between your trolling and dougster trolling

And san_jose_creep continues to resort insults and now even performing acts of violence when faced with his reality.

He's a broke ass creep on a bike riding past strip clubs and AMPs that he can no longer go to. He ran out of money and/or he got himself banned. He looks on with envy, fantasizing but never actualizing GFEs with women he can never have without paying. He lost his wife and he has ED.

But by golly he's still got dreams of that organization. And he's got us as his TUSCL support system.

SLD, it is so obvious, you are seeking your own oblivion. So go ahead, suck on the 12 gauge muzzle, finger the trigger housing, finger the trigger itself. We know you get off on this.

SJG

@san_jose_creep it is so obvious that you seek fantasy and delusions of grandeur on TUSCL as an escape from your miserable reality. We know you are the TUSCL village idiot.

SJG... Telling people that they're having fun wrong since June 2014.

What a twat.

@nice spice - what do you mean by cabana? i know what a cabana is but at a sc? you got a pool and shit too - where is this is magical all-inclusive strip club resort? @skibum - the arabs have a saying "my grandfather rode a camel, my father drove a car, i have an airplane, my son will ride a camel" baby boomers came along at the right time. politics is usually a boner killer at the booty club

@nicespice IMHO expecting $1k to be redistributed your way is a strippercrat policy, not millennial.

As a mongerican I'm all about free LDKs for all PLs.

Funniest thread all day

MackTruck for president 2020. Vote shitarian! Making America Defecate Again!!!

“Lame. Fucking old white guys and their idea of politics. It’s a cruel harsh world for minority millennials such as me, and they should be happy to just redistribute $1k my way. Hmph”

And, with a pleasant, customer-service attitude like that, he didn’t want to spend time with you ? Puzzling.

Turn off your sarcasm filter.

@mark94 must be one of those sensitive and whiny baby boomers. Idk what’s up with that generation, but it’s causing the downfall of America.

SirLap posted: “MackTruck for president 2020. Vote shitarian! Making America Defecate Again!!!”

LOL smash that like button!

25 posted “So you never told me is that a yes or a no?” ;)

SLD and Ishmael, you guys are just chumps, plain and simple.

AssmanJoe, some strip clubs call their VIP rooms Cabanas. I actually like the name better. I have not been there, but I am interested in Venom in Tucson. People say $15 per 15 minutes. This is basically the $60 per hour house charge for AMPs. Sounds very good to me. Look forward to taking full advantage of it.

Mark94, I don't care what race you are. But with UBI, you would get it too, like it or not, no needs test, no need to apply. But with it, to keep from fattening slum lords, you could sign away half of it to live in public housing towers. Anyone can live in them. Eventually enough would be build so that they go beyond demand. Pricing always fixed at 1/2 the UBI level. If you wanted paying employment or an income producing business, your chances would be greatly enhanced, as the economy would have been expanded. Less money going into inflating the stock and real estate markets, but more money being recirculated. If you got into very large incomes, you would have to pay higher taxes. Not sure if it needs to go quite this high, but lets for now say the pre-Reagan top bracket of 70%. Served our country very very well for many decades.

nicespice, wow, so many people have jumped in. An emotional subject. But are we clear now on what a clip joint is, places which enforce unnecessary rules, just to increase the house cut, and to poison the choreography between a customer and a dancer. Appeals more to fantasy than delivery. It may be that in the back room their are no real limits. But the path to getting there still screws it all up.

SJG

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I got my haircut at a clip joint. I felt it was a fair exchange of goods and services.

Usually I cut my own hair. But sometimes I do go to these Vietnamese hair cutting places because I like their girls,and sometimes they are quite available.

But I know better than to regularly patronize clip joint strip clubs, not unless there are ways of breaking out of the box they try to put you in.

SJG

And san_jose_creep continues to resort insults and now even performing acts of violence when faced with his reality.

He's a broke ass creep on a bike riding past strip clubs and AMPs that he can no longer go to. He ran out of money and/or he got himself banned. He looks on with envy, fantasizing but never actualizing GFEs with women he can never have without paying. He lost his wife and he has ED.

But by golly he's still got dreams of that organization. And he's got us as his TUSCL support system.

^ All plain and simple.

It's funny how san_jose_creep has even morphed the definition of a clip joint to again meet his own delusions. Here's a few definitions...

google.com

en.m.wikipedia.org

LOL and san_jose_creep is the ultimate chump in that he can only talk about going to an actual strip club rather than actually going to one in real life.

And SLD, someone who has nothing better to do but hide behind a keyboard and troll me. And really just because I am not a pathetic imbecile like he is. He'd never get away with any of it f2f.

SJG

^ LMAO san_jose_creep you are doing the exact same thing to me behind your keyboard.

I enjoy trolling all the bonafide TUSCL trolls. It's fun!

The only difference between you and me in this regard is that my keyboard is mine by purchase with the money that I have because I didn't blow it all on strippers and AMP whores. OTOH, you are using the keyboards and free internet access from the public library because you have no more money from losing it all in your divorce and wasting it on strippers and AMP whores.

And f2f you are a little bitch too!

SLD, you know absolutely nothing about me, about who I am, or what I do, or why.

Cease and desist in trolling me.

SJG

@san_jose_creep everything that I know about you is based on your own posts to TUSCL. If you have issue with it, maybe you shouldn't post so much to begin with.

And again, dumbass, this is an unmoderated board. Everybody is free to post whatever the fuck they want. So LOL that you tell me to "cease and desist". If you don't like my posts and trolls, then ignore them!

FYI if you never would have trolled me when I joined TUSCL, I would have never trolled you like I am now. But since you continue to troll me and others, even in this thread, I'm going to troll you until I get bored with you. LMAO deal with it!

He's a broke ass creep on a bike riding past strip clubs and AMPs that he can no longer go to. He ran out of money and/or he got himself banned. He looks on with envy, fantasizing but never actualizing GFEs with women he can never have without paying. He lost his wife and he has ED.

But by golly he's still got dreams of that organization. And he's got us as his TUSCL support system.

SJG said "Cease and desist in trolling me... or I'll type more and harder."

What a nitwit.

Everything is political. Pretending otherwise just amounts to supporting the Right.

SJG

What a twat.

CMI = definition of a TWAT!

SJG

^ He's a broke ass creep on a bike riding past strip clubs and AMPs that he can no longer go to. He ran out of money and/or he got himself banned. He looks on with envy, fantasizing but never actualizing GFEs with women he can never have without paying. He lost his wife and he has ED.

But by golly he's still got dreams of that organization. And he's got us as his TUSCL support system.

Good advice

“Alas, the time is coming when man will no longer give birth to a star. Alas, the time of the most despicable man is coming, he that is no longer able to despise himself. Behold, I show you the last man.

“‘What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?’ thus asks the last man, and he blinks.

“The earth is small, and on it hops the last man, who makes everything small. His race is as ineradicable as the flea-beetle; the last man lives longest.

“‘We have invented happiness,’ say the last men, and they blink. They have left the regions where it was hard to live, for one needs warmth. One still loves one’s neighbor and rubs against him, for one needs warmth.

newcriterion.com

And Rick Dugan is that Last Man. When I first joined this forum I did not understand what the issue was.

tuscl.net

SJG