27-year-old virgin arrested for threatening to kill 'as many girls as I see'
Police arrested a Colorado man over the weekend who allegedly threatened to kill "as many girls as I see" in a mass shooting.
Christopher Cleary, 27, allegedly told police that he planned targeting women in a public shooting because he's a virgin who has been rejected too many times, according to the Provo Police Department.
This is just sad, the guy is very good looking. Can somebody buy him a lapdance in TJHK.
We get it. You like Tijuana.
It’s sad because he threatened women’s lives - not because he could have fucked a whore in Mexico.
This guy is a complete lunatic - and he should be put away - as his actions and motive show he can’t handle rejection.
This is why we need legalized prostitution in the US.
Reading this thread just gives me stress. Good thing I am heading to Miami tomorrow. Time to get some "stress release" I wouldn't want to go on a killing spree or something.
Some men can’t get laid because they’re dickheads or pricks and don’t even know it. Why should that be the fault of a woman. Ya father should of taught you better. Or maybe he’s just to good to fuck a whore
He’s an idiot plain and simple no real explanation, anything used to try and offer an explanation is just an excuse.
^At the risk of engaging with idiots and just degenerating into a name calling fiesta there is no reasonable explanation, anything attempting to justify this behavior is just excuse making you have no rationale whatsoever that could justify this idiot
I think it's just luck, as there're dickheads that have girlfriends, and can do whatever they like too. But the lack of access of good looking friendly girls can be very depressing for some PLs and can drive them insane for years. Sure there're stripclubs but they're just expensive tease and won't last, and streetwalkers are dangerous and even ugly.
In short, places like TJ HK solve this unfortunate problem and make guys and gals happy.
^As I suspected you’re a moron, IDGAF what his causes are and your excuses are just an asshole attempt to give justification to a reprehensible act, but I shouldn’t expect any civil logic from you, all you do over and again is call names and disagree with anyone that calls you on the truth, you aren’t worth the effort I put into response. Enjoy the rest of your day
Christopher Cleary, 27
And Kudos to DC9428 for coming up with this interesting article. thestranger.com
I don't think it right to talk about these guys as being "socially disabled", so I only partially agree with the article. Just like I don't think it right to blame these kinds of problems on women, and just like I don't think it right to classify sex workers as some other category of women, or to expect them so be the ones who solve these problems.
For someone who has an obvious physical disability, a sex worker might be a partial solution.
But then of these guys with social disabilities? Well, I do not go along with this. The issue is more one of loss of social status, appropriation of social status. And the actual cause of this is usually obscure.
SJG
Elliot Rodger, Isla Vista Shooter 2014 tuscl.net
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"As for the 1950s thing, I'd argue that the comparative extreme promiscuity of people in the modern age is exactly why it was easier in the 1950s. Losing your virginity is nothing, it doesn't actually mean much, its about whether you can continue getting sex on some kind of regular basis or whether you end up having like two hookups for the entire year and don't get any sex outside of that. The social elite just doesn't think about it that way because getting laid is easy to them so high levels of promiscuity in their eyes means getting to fuck whenever you want, with whoever you want. The reality for everyone else, however, is that rampant promiscuity means that almost all the girls are going for the guys in the social elite and you get the scraps. So essentially, you get maybe one or two one time hookups per year and that's it.
With less promiscuity, girls fuck a guy and then they stay and continue to have sex with that guy. The social elite gets to be mildly promiscuous, having a fling or two on the side of their main girl, but everyone else gets to have one woman they can rely on to like them and want to have sex with them. In the 1950s, if you managed to lose your virginity you could probably continue having an active sex life as long as you wanted because girls back then wanted a commitment."
Seems to me like the combination of extreme wealth inequality, public awareness through social media, and instant gratification, has the effect of increasing promiscuity, especially in women. Why? Because in the 1950s, there were no social media, MTV, Million Dollar Cribs TV shows, so the apparent access to super walthy men was thin to none. And there wasn't any social media to be addicted to, so people weren't constantly comparing themselves to others, women weren't comparing their boyfriends to others, etc. And, of course, no porn! Both men, AND WOMEN, had no access to streaming 1080p harcore pornography... the most they had was a rare photograph of a person in a swimsuit, or a playboy magazine, which nowadays is considered virtually harmless. Not to say that pornography is a bad thing (hell, those ISIS guys would probably be way more calm if they were like a lot of the guys here and jacked off to some porn every couple of days), but the combination is probably not very positive for both sexes. A lot of men and women nowadays (mostly men) learn about sex, not by engaging in it, but by watching videos of others on an LCD screen. Essentially, both men and women have become more aware, and conscious, of their position on the social ladder, as well as the position of others on that ladder... and these extreme behaviors are the manifestation of our animal instincts reacting to such awareness. What else would cause a young man to snap, and go on a shooting rampage, than the very real illusion of forever being at the bottom rungs of the social ladder, with no money and no status to ever catch the attention of an even mildly attractive woman? Sounds rather bleak, doesn't it? The problem, I think, is that this illusion is more than a mere illusion... it's a self-fulfilling thing. The illusion creates the anxiety which produces the behaviors that further enhance the illusion. I'm sure these incel shootings don't reflect very positively on young men, low on the social ladder. How are women supposed to respond? By rushing to every poor young man and sucking their dicks? No, they're probably more inclined to run the hell away! And what does that do but enchance the illusion for young men that they will remain single and sexless.
My guess is, as you said, just like income inequality, there may be greater inequality in sexual activity (partially caused by the income inequality). The likes of JohnSmith and gawker can fuck hot 22 yr olds because of their wealth. Was it always so easy? I would guess not, because wealth was not as unequal as it is today.
"social status is what gets you laid"
I agree that this is generally true, in school environments, fairly closed social realms.
When you talk about these self identified incels, like Elliot Rodger and this new guy, first consider that these are people in fairly negative places, closed social realms. These places may seem to have lots of sex, like Isla Vista CA, but it is often greatly exaggerated and typically for some people only.
Second, with Rodger and this new guy Christopher Cleary, there are usually some things which have destroyed their social and civil standing. So they are not defective or damaged, simply there are hidden things which have taken their social and civil standing away.
Thanks to DC for coming up with this news item.
SJG
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Karl Haushofer en.wikipedia.org
I like it too, but only partially. She is still putting out the idea that these guys have some sort of a defect. As such she is perpetuating the misunderstanding which is at the heart of their marginalization.
SJG
Peter Levenda | Sinister Forces, Occult History, & The Nine youtube.com
Karl Haushofer en.wikipedia.org
@DC, yes I agree that money doesn't provide a direct route vers la chatte, except when used to pay for prostitutes. I think that great wealth does, however, provide an indirect route, but perhaps not the way people often imagine. I don't think it happens so often that: woman meets man, woman learns that man is wealthy, woman sleeps with man because he's wealthy. Or even: woman meets man, man buys woman many gifts, woman sleeps with man (hell, I'd bet that hardly ever happens!) Rather, I think great wealth provides so many perks in life that getting laid is just plain easier; it requires less effort. I mean, life itself is less of an effort for those who have already acquired wealth. The process of acquiring the wealth, for sure, usually requires great effort (excepting those trust fund babies). But once you've got it, I imagine it must be hard to resist the temptation of spoiling yourself!
One thing I've noticed about myself is that I do better with women when my responsibilities are less. In particular, it was far easier to develop social connections and attract women during summer vacations and during those early times in college semesters when there was hardly any homework to do and no tests to study for. I had no worries! I was fed and sheltered through no effort of my own, except for some part-time low wage jobs. How much different life feels now that I have a full-blown career that requires my constant attention, as well as bills to pay, food to prepare, errands to run, etc. (and I'm probably quite lazy compared to others in my field who are married with kids).
So, I imagine that there is a minority of young and middle-aged men who 1) are millionaires, 2) work few hours, 3) use their money to streamline their lives and reduce the number of their responsibilities, and 4) spend a significant portion of their waking hours pursuing and attracting women. Whether it is through spending hours in the gym every day, spending hours expanding their social network every day, or spending hours meeting, dating, and attracting new women in clubs/malls/bars/conventions etc. every day, they are spending those hours for those purposes, while the lower and middle classes spend most of their hours surviving.
I suspect that this incel/redpill/mgtow subculture is most prevalent in the law-abiding lower and middle classes who strive to live healthy, settled lives. The minority of men who DON'T abide by the law, and who engage in relatively toxic and violent behavior, provide a level of excitement (albeit a very different kind of excitement than that provided by the wealthy) that gets the right type of woman's panties sufficiently wet. Biker gangs come to mind, and there are definitely women out there who fantasize about being the biker gang slut.
Either way, it comes down to how men spend their time; a man is what he does. To provide a sweeping generalization that is without nuance: the "nice guys" who need more attaboys spend their time working, and the "bad boys" dominate through violence, disobedience, and (financial) leverage, and thus spend their time maintaining their harems.
^^^^^^ Running your own business(es) has advantages.
SJG
Awwwww.......poor loser virgin. I'm sure that his puckered little asshole won't be a virgin no-mo in either prison or the psycho ward.
“There is no reason why these guys can't just fuck 4s or lower.”
This guy has very serious self-esteem issues. You can't just call him a loser. Something has made him this way.
SJG
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WTF?
5 dead after shooting in Florida bank yahoo.com
"I have shot five people," Xaver allegedly told 911 dispatchers, according to a joint statement released by the Highland County Sheriff's Office and Sebring Police Department.
Who is Zephen Xaver, the Sebring shooting suspect? floridatoday.com
Motive not released: heavy.com
SJG
I ain't no virgin! My XBOX and I jizz all over each other every dya!
^^^^^^^ My first job was repairing desktop electronic calculators, like adding machines. Sometimes they had stuff spilled in them. Coke-a-cola was the worst, sticky stuff in the keypad, and it ate the copper traces off of the circuit boards.
Now, with the double sided boards and the fine traces for surface mount technologies, I would not want to see what fluids do.
SJG
Florida gunman’s ex-girlfriend claims her warnings that he ‘hated people’ were ignored news.com.au
" A gunman who took over a SunTrust Bank branch in Florida apparently made the five women inside lie down on the lobby floor before shooting them in the backs of their heads, police said on Thursday.
Authorities found no indication Zephen Xaver intended to rob the bank during Wednesday’s attack and no apparent connections between him and the bank or the victims, Sebring Police Chief Karl Hoglund said.
Xaver, 21, was charged with five counts of premeditated murder in the shooting deaths of the four bank employees and a customer.
After shooting the women, he called 911 and “told dispatchers that he’d killed everyone in the bank,” Hoglund said.
All the victims were found in the bank’s lobby, lying face down with gunshots to the backs of their heads. Shell casings from Xaver’s 9mm handgun were scattered on the floor, according to an affidavit.
Another customer, Victor Sparks, was quoted by the Highlands News-Sun as saying that he found the door locked during the attack, peered inside and saw people lying on the floor while someone walked around and between them. He turned and stepped away and heard gunfire. He said police arrived within two minutes after he and his wife called 911.
In his call to 911 dispatchers, Xaver said, “I have shot five people,” according to police. "
" Authorities ended their news conference after only a few questions and did not respond when asked how Xaver obtained the gun.
Xaver was arrested in a beige T-shirt depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. On Thursday, he wore a black-and-white striped prison uniform as he was appointed a public defender and ordered held without bond. His father said he’s “heartbroken for the victims” and that his son “wasn’t raised to be like this.”
“He’s always been a good kid. He’s had his troubles, but he has never hurt anyone ever before. This is a total shock,” Josh Xaver told CNN. "
" Investigators discovered the bodies of the five victims after retaking the bank, officials said. According to a police report, Xaver was armed with a 9 mm handgun and wearing a bulletproof vest.
Police said Xaver forced the women to lie down on the bank’s lobby floor and shot them in the backs of their heads.
State Attorney Brian Haas pledged to seek maximum punishment against Xaver, who faces the possibility of the death penalty.
. . . A woman who identified herself as a former girlfriend told WSBT-TV in Indiana that Xaver had been fascinated with the idea of killing people long before Wednesday’s massacre in Sebring. "
SJG
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Where did the idea for this originate?
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Trump has capitulated to Pelosi Trump to Delay State of the Union Address Until Shutdown Ends democracynow.org
Say he had dreams of hurting students, going back to when he was in Indiana.
SJG
"But that's where the sense of entitlement comes in. He thinks he's too good for what he can get and feels deserving of something better just because he wants it."
"free ice cream!"---"no thank you, I don't eat sweets (I have diabetes)" "free roller coaster ride"---"no thank you, I don't enjoy riding roller coasters" "free sex with me"---"no thank you, I don't find you physically attractive" "minimum wage job offer"---"no thank you, I prefer a life of subsistence living" "minimum wage job offer"---"no thank you, I have enough savings I can afford to wait for a higher offer" "high wage job offer"--"no thank you, I still prefer a life of subsistence living!" "free hand gun"---"no thank you, too dangerous"
Is a person "entitled" to food that is "better" than ice cream if he/she/they turns it down? Is a person "entitled" to... not riding a roller coaster... if he/she/they turn it down? That doesn't even make sense!
Think, IceyLoco! Don't be so loco!
The guy is crazy. Now he will get all the sex he wants with bubba in jail block 7. He could have just arranged some sex with a little bit of money. Maybe a lot if he had other serious issues.
All he had to do was call the cable guy or talk to the old Circuit City repairman. They were connected.
FTS. Your posts on this thread took the words right out of my mouth!
Icey, first of all, I'm not sure if you can really say that patronizing a hooker is anti-social behavior. Adults can consent to such. And she may start out as a hooker, and end up as a GF by morning. I've met some real nice ones, long ago when SF had a much better looking crew out on the sidewalks.
And as far as mental health and mental illness, that is a myth, just a way of delegitmating someone.
I agree with you though that we need Universal Health Care, and I would also say an economic safety net via Universal Basic Income.
As far as Whites and entitlement, yes these sorts of guys are most always Disgruntled White Males, and almost always holding racist views.
But usually these guys don't really go along with government style entitlement programs. Usually they hold right wing views and are very much against people of other races, immigrants, and the poor. They see these as taking something which they think should be theirs. They refuse to accept the degree to which the world they imagine has always depended on gov't taxation, spending, regulation, and controls.
@FTS, I don't agree with you. Most of the time these disgruntled whites have gone along with the Right's framing of the issues in terms of race.
Everyone wants to earn a good living. They only change when they start to see that such is often impossible, and then they may fall prey to arguments from the Right.
Icey wrote, "But comparing women to commodities says a lot about one's views on women."
That I definitely agree with, and as such I try to avoid talking about that 1 to 10 scale, even on this board.
But getting back to: "We're talking about a situation where a man can only attract uglier women because of his own looks, yet feels entitled to better looking women without working on himself. That's a huge sense of entitlement!"
His looks might not be the greatest, but I would still say that the main limitations in his life are those found in his own head. People should feel entitled to a decent life. But this guy has some really mean attitudes, mostlly assimilated from the Right and coded in terms of Racism and Misogyny. That's very different from someone who has grown up rich, which is what is usually meant when talking about entitlement.
SJG
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^^^^^^^^^ Yes, I agree with what you have said.
You are talking about the sense of entitlement as a racial and gender thing, the Rush Limbaugh dynamic.
Problem is though that often people use "entitlement" in the same way that they use something like "spoiled", tied to the idea of someone who may have grown up rich, or something like that. And that is very different. You can't say something like that about someone who is basically living living a modest life.
People should be ENTITLED to self-actualizing careers which use their skills and serve social purpose. Problem is though that often such is not there. And yes, it is most likely minorities, immigrants, and the poor who are getting short changed the worst.
SJG
Most of these rampage shooters seem to think like Rush Limbaugh. Its not the entitlement of a rich person, it is the anger of a person who has come to blame everything on minorities, immigrants, and the poor.
SJG
So when you need money, go to a gay bar and sell your ass. Then tell us how great P4P feels because everyone got what they wanted.
White American men have a lot of pent up anger and are prone very prone to different types of violence. They feel they're owed something or that they can buy everyone and when they can't they lash out
^Yes because a hoe supposedly has the best info on how to pickup bitches?
Its too bad this young man did not buy my video course for I could have taught him many things.
Oddly enough, I think SJG hit the target with his last post. The guy couldn’t get laid, and he blamed it on everyone but himself. His anger towards everyone probably grew with each female who rejected him.
Sadly, there are white males with intense growing hatred that is fueled by the blame game. Unemployed guys blame everyone for taking the jobs - and their hate grows. Guys at retirement age - who have no money saved - hate others because they never saved their own money. Guys who can’t get laid - blame women for shunning their advances.
Rather than taking a hard look at themselves - and making positive changes - it’s easier to sit and hate. It’s fucked up, it’s wrong, and it makes things worse.
This shit was here before Trump - and before the immigration issues became news. But it wasn’t accepted. Folks would say “Get off your ass and do something positive!” But now it’s become acceptable, and it’s become prevalent enough to be a real problem.
Icey, I should say something here. You posted much about entitlement on the Elliot Rodger thread. I think now that I was misunderstanding you. I thought you were talking about rich person's entitlement. I think now that you were talking about White Male entitlement. And yes, with that I agree, he was getting that from the Men's Rights / MGTOW / Misogynist movement.
I will also say that with all of these angry at women shooters, they are trying to find their place in the world. They just reach a breaking point when they cannot find it. So it does no good to fault them. We need instead to look at what is wrong with our society.
I can say that with life experience, I am far more liberal in my own thinking than I was when I was the age that these guys are.
SJG
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Nice looking, agree?
Have a feeling this guy is going to lose his anal virginity to Bubba or Julio or Billy Bob in the pokie.
^^^^^ understanding you better now.
I think Elliot Rodger really was a product of this Men's Right's Movement. His thinking was completely shaped by that.
SJG
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Icey's post above, extremely well put, extremely.
SJG
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I'm not against acoustic guitar, its just that I like electric guitar music so much. And electric guitar can do things which acoustic guitar cannot. Needs to feel like you are there with them, not like it is just a contrived television show. Letting this finally be the psychedelia it was intended to be.
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^^^^^^ You make a very good point Icey.
SJG
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^^^^^^ You make a very good point Icey. Bullying certainly was a big factor in the life of Elliot Rodger. I don't think he came to hate women until the very last year, and mostly influenced by this Manosphere.
SJG
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Notice also that the news focuses on this guy being a virgin. In prior times that would have been considered an insignificant detail. Overall I don't think focusing on this Incel movement is a good thing.
These type of guys seem beyond extremely frustrated - I think the lack of dating/GFs is more a symptom of the problem that contributed to what they did but not the source of the problem - seems w/e it is about them that makes it difficult to date or have a GF is the bigger problem and what leads them to do what they do.
Having said this, it's obvious men, particularly young men, need to have access to sex - it's biology IMO - even in the animal kingdom one sees what extremes males go-to to have sex.
Many guys have trouble getting laid whether it'd be b/c they are shy, or just can't get it from whom they want, or as often as they want - IMO it def makes sense, and would def help, if P4P was legal since it'd be much safer and guys that needed that outlet would have it (even if they just needed it for a season in their life) - hell, sex is therapeutic and many guys, for various reasons, do not have as fulfilling a sex-life as they would like/need and are thus to some extent suffering from it and to some extent not being/feeling their best b/c of an unfulfilling sex-life.
P4P exists, legal or not. But most of these guys do not seem to want that. These guys feel that they are being treated in an unfair way. So they may want sex, but lack of sex is not really the issue. Rather it is their distress and their perception of an unfairness.
They are saying that something is wrong, and generally they are suicidal. But there perception of what the problem is, is ill founded.
I say that much of it exists in the Right Wing and Misogynist attitudes which they have assimilated. But beyond this, they seem likely to have been survivors of some sort of familial abuse too. But surfacing this would be extremely difficult.
SJG
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Not sure that anything about how they look makes them much worse off than average.
The issue seems to be in how they think. These are not nice people.
SJG
