27-year-old virgin guy threatening to kill all

We get it. You like Tijuana.

It’s sad because he threatened women’s lives - not because he could have fucked a whore in Mexico.

This guy is a complete lunatic - and he should be put away - as his actions and motive show he can’t handle rejection.

This is why we need legalized prostitution in the US.

Well, at least we know why he's a virgin....

Reading this thread just gives me stress. Good thing I am heading to Miami tomorrow. Time to get some "stress release" I wouldn't want to go on a killing spree or something.

Some men can’t get laid because they’re dickheads or pricks and don’t even know it. Why should that be the fault of a woman. Ya father should of taught you better. Or maybe he’s just to good to fuck a whore

2 decades of war, the militarization of the police.... basically making violence an acceptable way of dealing with perceived conflict and the destruction of the nuclear family are more to blame than not being able to get laid.

It was much harder to get laid in the 1900s through 1950s and these problems didn't exist.

If someone can't get laid, they need to have the common sense to work on themselves and make themselves more attractive to women. If they refuse to do that, well they don't deserve to get laid.

He’s an idiot plain and simple no real explanation, anything used to try and offer an explanation is just an excuse.

20fag, there are always reasons for everything. Only an absolute simpleton believes that things "just happen"

DC, it was harder in the 1950s. People weren't as promiscuous because of the lack of women's rights and access to contraceptives.

Islamic "terrorism" is a reaction to American imperialism and Western puppet regimes in the region. Not coz guys can't get laid.

The truth is anyone can get laid. If a guy can get a 2 or attracts 4s, well thats what he should go for. The reason he doesn't is a sense of entitlement where he thinks he should get 8s and 10s without having to change or put any effort in. Its the sense of entitlement and inability to cope that leads incels to violence, coupled with a violent culture overall

^At the risk of engaging with idiots and just degenerating into a name calling fiesta there is no reasonable explanation, anything attempting to justify this behavior is just excuse making you have no rationale whatsoever that could justify this idiot

I think it's just luck, as there're dickheads that have girlfriends, and can do whatever they like too. But the lack of access of good looking friendly girls can be very depressing for some PLs and can drive them insane for years. Sure there're stripclubs but they're just expensive tease and won't last, and streetwalkers are dangerous and even ugly.

In short, places like TJ HK solve this unfortunate problem and make guys and gals happy.

20fag, explaining the causes for his actions does not equate to justifying said actions.

ISIS is the Sunni reaction to Shia rule and collaboration with the US occupation in Iraq.

In the 1950s women were trapped once they had sex. The risk of pregnancy, STDs, public shame etc kept them more oppressed.

But yeah its easier to be a guy when women have less rights

^As I suspected you’re a moron, IDGAF what his causes are and your excuses are just an asshole attempt to give justification to a reprehensible act, but I shouldn’t expect any civil logic from you, all you do over and again is call names and disagree with anyone that calls you on the truth, you aren’t worth the effort I put into response.
Enjoy the rest of your day

Christopher Cleary, 27

And Kudos to DC9428 for coming up with this interesting article.
https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2018/04…

I don't think it right to talk about these guys as being "socially disabled", so I only partially agree with the article. Just like I don't think it right to blame these kinds of problems on women, and just like I don't think it right to classify sex workers as some other category of women, or to expect them so be the ones who solve these problems.

For someone who has an obvious physical disability, a sex worker might be a partial solution.

But then of these guys with social disabilities? Well, I do not go along with this. The issue is more one of loss of social status, appropriation of social status. And the actual cause of this is usually obscure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law…

SJG

Elliot Rodger, Isla Vista Shooter 2014
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…

MLK Day Special: Rediscovered 1964 King Speech on Civil Rights, Segregation & Apartheid South Africa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3f6Uqh…

Peter Levenda | Sinister Forces, Occult History, & The Nine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3f6Uqh…

"As for the 1950s thing, I'd argue that the comparative extreme promiscuity of people in the modern age is exactly why it was easier in the 1950s. Losing your virginity is nothing, it doesn't actually mean much, its about whether you can continue getting sex on some kind of regular basis or whether you end up having like two hookups for the entire year and don't get any sex outside of that. The social elite just doesn't think about it that way because getting laid is easy to them so high levels of promiscuity in their eyes means getting to fuck whenever you want, with whoever you want. The reality for everyone else, however, is that rampant promiscuity means that almost all the girls are going for the guys in the social elite and you get the scraps. So essentially, you get maybe one or two one time hookups per year and that's it.

With less promiscuity, girls fuck a guy and then they stay and continue to have sex with that guy. The social elite gets to be mildly promiscuous, having a fling or two on the side of their main girl, but everyone else gets to have one woman they can rely on to like them and want to have sex with them. In the 1950s, if you managed to lose your virginity you could probably continue having an active sex life as long as you wanted because girls back then wanted a commitment."

- Which came first, the promiscuity, the reason for the promiscuity, or the illusion of greater promiscuity?

Seems to me like the combination of extreme wealth inequality, public awareness through social media, and instant gratification, has the effect of increasing promiscuity, especially in women. Why? Because in the 1950s, there were no social media, MTV, Million Dollar Cribs TV shows, so the apparent access to super walthy men was thin to none. And there wasn't any social media to be addicted to, so people weren't constantly comparing themselves to others, women weren't comparing their boyfriends to others, etc. And, of course, no porn! Both men, AND WOMEN, had no access to streaming 1080p harcore pornography... the most they had was a rare photograph of a person in a swimsuit, or a playboy magazine, which nowadays is considered virtually harmless. Not to say that pornography is a bad thing (hell, those ISIS guys would probably be way more calm if they were like a lot of the guys here and jacked off to some porn every couple of days), but the combination is probably not very positive for both sexes. A lot of men and women nowadays (mostly men) learn about sex, not by engaging in it, but by watching videos of others on an LCD screen. Essentially, both men and women have become more aware, and conscious, of their position on the social ladder, as well as the position of others on that ladder... and these extreme behaviors are the manifestation of our animal instincts reacting to such awareness. What else would cause a young man to snap, and go on a shooting rampage, than the very real illusion of forever being at the bottom rungs of the social ladder, with no money and no status to ever catch the attention of an even mildly attractive woman? Sounds rather bleak, doesn't it? The problem, I think, is that this illusion is more than a mere illusion... it's a self-fulfilling thing. The illusion creates the anxiety which produces the behaviors that further enhance the illusion. I'm sure these incel shootings don't reflect very positively on young men, low on the social ladder. How are women supposed to respond? By rushing to every poor young man and sucking their dicks? No, they're probably more inclined to run the hell away! And what does that do but enchance the illusion for young men that they will remain single and sexless.

My guess is, as you said, just like income inequality, there may be greater inequality in sexual activity (partially caused by the income inequality). The likes of JohnSmith and gawker can fuck hot 22 yr olds because of their wealth. Was it always so easy? I would guess not, because wealth was not as unequal as it is today.

"social status is what gets you laid"

I agree that this is generally true, in school environments, fairly closed social realms.

When you talk about these self identified incels, like Elliot Rodger and this new guy, first consider that these are people in fairly negative places, closed social realms. These places may seem to have lots of sex, like Isla Vista CA, but it is often greatly exaggerated and typically for some people only.

Second, with Rodger and this new guy Christopher Cleary, there are usually some things which have destroyed their social and civil standing. So they are not defective or damaged, simply there are hidden things which have taken their social and civil standing away.

Thanks to DC for coming up with this news item.

SJG

Peter Levenda | Sinister Forces, Occult History, & The Nine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3f6Uqh…

Karl Haushofer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Haush…

I like it too, but only partially. She is still putting out the idea that these guys have some sort of a defect. As such she is perpetuating the misunderstanding which is at the heart of their marginalization.

SJG

Peter Levenda | Sinister Forces, Occult History, & The Nine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3f6Uqh…

Karl Haushofer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Haush…

@DC, yes I agree that money doesn't provide a direct route vers la chatte, except when used to pay for prostitutes. I think that great wealth does, however, provide an indirect route, but perhaps not the way people often imagine. I don't think it happens so often that: woman meets man, woman learns that man is wealthy, woman sleeps with man because he's wealthy. Or even: woman meets man, man buys woman many gifts, woman sleeps with man (hell, I'd bet that hardly ever happens!) Rather, I think great wealth provides so many perks in life that getting laid is just plain easier; it requires less effort. I mean, life itself is less of an effort for those who have already acquired wealth. The process of acquiring the wealth, for sure, usually requires great effort (excepting those trust fund babies). But once you've got it, I imagine it must be hard to resist the temptation of spoiling yourself!

One thing I've noticed about myself is that I do better with women when my responsibilities are less. In particular, it was far easier to develop social connections and attract women during summer vacations and during those early times in college semesters when there was hardly any homework to do and no tests to study for. I had no worries! I was fed and sheltered through no effort of my own, except for some part-time low wage jobs. How much different life feels now that I have a full-blown career that requires my constant attention, as well as bills to pay, food to prepare, errands to run, etc. (and I'm probably quite lazy compared to others in my field who are married with kids).

So, I imagine that there is a minority of young and middle-aged men who 1) are millionaires, 2) work few hours, 3) use their money to streamline their lives and reduce the number of their responsibilities, and 4) spend a significant portion of their waking hours pursuing and attracting women. Whether it is through spending hours in the gym every day, spending hours expanding their social network every day, or spending hours meeting, dating, and attracting new women in clubs/malls/bars/conventions etc. every day, they are spending those hours for those purposes, while the lower and middle classes spend most of their hours surviving.

I suspect that this incel/redpill/mgtow subculture is most prevalent in the law-abiding lower and middle classes who strive to live healthy, settled lives. The minority of men who DON'T abide by the law, and who engage in relatively toxic and violent behavior, provide a level of excitement (albeit a very different kind of excitement than that provided by the wealthy) that gets the right type of woman's panties sufficiently wet. Biker gangs come to mind, and there are definitely women out there who fantasize about being the biker gang slut.

Either way, it comes down to how men spend their time; a man is what he does. To provide a sweeping generalization that is without nuance: the "nice guys" who need more attaboys spend their time working, and the "bad boys" dominate through violence, disobedience, and (financial) leverage, and thus spend their time maintaining their harems.

^^^^^^ Running your own business(es) has advantages.

SJG

In any peer group, clout and status are what matter the most and make a man more attractive.

I'd say that the appearance of relative wealth helps rather than money itself. Meaning not being broke and affording nice dates... However, trying to impress someone with money is always a disadvantage.

"nice guys" are generally really jerks who expect to get laid for being nice to bitches and then throw tantrums and wallow in self pity when it doesn't work.

And if you're talking about hookers, yeah the more money the more you can afford to hire them but who the fuck aspires to a life of having to rely on hookers for sex???

The key to getting any woman comes down to how you make her feel.... that's it. You want it to be like a drug, make her feel some kind of way on a consistent basis and let her crave it.

Awwwww.......poor loser virgin.
I'm sure that his puckered little asshole won't be a virgin no-mo in either prison or the psycho ward.

A hooker is there for the money, she's like a captive audience. Once the guy starts getting rejected again, he's going to be in the same rut.

If you're in a dry spell, you just go out and find someone. Its really not hard. Dry spells are more about the guy's inflated ego or entitlement than they are about not being able to get laid. If they refuse to go for the woman who go for them, its all on them.

There is no reason why these guys can't just fuck 4s or lower.

“There is no reason why these guys can't just fuck 4s or lower.”

- I wouldn’t fuck a 4 or lower even if I was in the middle of a decade long dry spell. My dick might shrink down just from the sight of her, as if I was outside in -30 degree weather and my balls just crawl back into my abdomen. As DC said, there are hookers out there who are stunningly beautiful.

But that's where the sense of entitlement comes in. He thinks he's too good for what he can get and feels deserving of something better just because he wants it. When he doesn't get it, he resorts to antisocial behavior....whether its breaking the law and getting a hooker or shooting a place up or whatever. The underlying factor is the unmerited sense of entitlement so prevalent in White American society. Its why people like the virgin who wanted to kill women, exist. Entitlement and a culture of violence and perpetual war, a fuck them let me get mine, mentality...we have a sick society.

Say a 4 really loves you and gives you everything you need and want. But you feel too good and want an 8. The 8 won't give you the time of day, but you'll ignore the 4 and pay an 8 whose a hooker.... That's fucked up. Men need to be a little more humble and grounded in reality.

This guy has very serious self-esteem issues. You can't just call him a loser. Something has made him this way.

SJG

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Steve Blank
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https://steveblank.com/

Freemasonry is inherently opposed to slavery but what slavery remains for us to fight against today?
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TJ Street
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WTF?

5 dead after shooting in Florida bank
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suspect-fires-…

"I have shot five people," Xaver allegedly told 911 dispatchers, according to a joint statement released by the Highland County Sheriff's Office and Sebring Police Department.

Who is Zephen Xaver, the Sebring shooting suspect?
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/…

Motive not released:
https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/zephen-xa…

SJG

I ain't no virgin! My XBOX and I jizz all over each other every dya!

^^^^^^^ My first job was repairing desktop electronic calculators, like adding machines. Sometimes they had stuff spilled in them. Coke-a-cola was the worst, sticky stuff in the keypad, and it ate the copper traces off of the circuit boards.

Now, with the double sided boards and the fine traces for surface mount technologies, I would not want to see what fluids do.

SJG

Florida gunman’s ex-girlfriend claims her warnings that he ‘hated people’ were ignored
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer…

"
A gunman who took over a SunTrust Bank branch in Florida apparently made the five women inside lie down on the lobby floor before shooting them in the backs of their heads, police said on Thursday.


Authorities found no indication Zephen Xaver intended to rob the bank during Wednesday’s attack and no apparent connections between him and the bank or the victims, Sebring Police Chief Karl Hoglund said.

Xaver, 21, was charged with five counts of premeditated murder in the shooting deaths of the four bank employees and a customer.

After shooting the women, he called 911 and “told dispatchers that he’d killed everyone in the bank,” Hoglund said.

All the victims were found in the bank’s lobby, lying face down with gunshots to the backs of their heads. Shell casings from Xaver’s 9mm handgun were scattered on the floor, according to an affidavit.

Another customer, Victor Sparks, was quoted by the Highlands News-Sun as saying that he found the door locked during the attack, peered inside and saw people lying on the floor while someone walked around and between them. He turned and stepped away and heard gunfire. He said police arrived within two minutes after he and his wife called 911.

In his call to 911 dispatchers, Xaver said, “I have shot five people,” according to police.
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"
Authorities ended their news conference after only a few questions and did not respond when asked how Xaver obtained the gun.

Xaver was arrested in a beige T-shirt depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. On Thursday, he wore a black-and-white striped prison uniform as he was appointed a public defender and ordered held without bond. His father said he’s “heartbroken for the victims” and that his son “wasn’t raised to be like this.”

“He’s always been a good kid. He’s had his troubles, but he has never hurt anyone ever before. This is a total shock,” Josh Xaver told CNN.
"


"
Investigators discovered the bodies of the five victims after retaking the bank, officials said. According to a police report, Xaver was armed with a 9 mm handgun and wearing a bulletproof vest.

Police said Xaver forced the women to lie down on the bank’s lobby floor and shot them in the backs of their heads.



State Attorney Brian Haas pledged to seek maximum punishment against Xaver, who faces the possibility of the death penalty.

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A woman who identified herself as a former girlfriend told WSBT-TV in Indiana that Xaver had been fascinated with the idea of killing people long before Wednesday’s massacre in Sebring. "

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/brea…



https://www.wdtn.com/news/u-s-world/who-…

https://www.kesq.com/news/national-world…

https://www.theledger.com/news/20190124/…

SJG

Herb Alpert 1965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u68NMAI…

Where did the idea for this originate?

Herb Alpert - Rise (HQ Audio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vltC-O7P…

Feels So Good - Chuck Mangione [FULL VERSION]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwkwjOd7…

Diana Ross: Ain't No Mountain High Enough (Ashford / Simpson), 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_pmKPWL…

The 5th Dimension ≈ AQUARIUS ≈ Let The SUNSHINE In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSr9Bbh…

Three Dog Night "Joy To The World" 1972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp7KfG9A…

^^^^^ obvious lip sync

1975, clearly recorded live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as8K3H7R…

Eli's Coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CuNBeng…

No Time (1992) Ringo Starr, Burton Cummings, Joe Walsh and Todd Rundgren at Montreux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ0E96Ql…

No Sugar Tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHb4rZf…

Chicago - 25 or 6 to 4 - 7/21/1970 - Tanglewood (Official)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7j…

Trump has capitulated to Pelosi
Trump to Delay State of the Union Address Until Shutdown Ends
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/1/24/h…

Say he had dreams of hurting students, going back to when he was in Indiana.

https://www.khq.com/national/police-say-…

SJG

"But that's where the sense of entitlement comes in. He thinks he's too good for what he can get and feels deserving of something better just because he wants it."

- That may be true for the 27-year-old virgin shooter, but it's not generally true for all people who would refuse to have sexual relations with a "4". Choosing to pass on a sexual encounter is not indicative of an attitude of entitlement. In the same way, turning down an offer of free food is not indicative of an attitude of entitlement. Pursuing happiness is a right here in the United States: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

"free ice cream!"---"no thank you, I don't eat sweets (I have diabetes)"
"free roller coaster ride"---"no thank you, I don't enjoy riding roller coasters"
"free sex with me"---"no thank you, I don't find you physically attractive"
"minimum wage job offer"---"no thank you, I prefer a life of subsistence living"
"minimum wage job offer"---"no thank you, I have enough savings I can afford to wait for a higher offer"
"high wage job offer"--"no thank you, I still prefer a life of subsistence living!"
"free hand gun"---"no thank you, too dangerous"

Is a person "entitled" to food that is "better" than ice cream if he/she/they turns it down? Is a person "entitled" to... not riding a roller coaster... if he/she/they turn it down? That doesn't even make sense!

Think, IceyLoco! Don't be so loco!

The guy is crazy. Now he will get all the sex he wants with bubba in jail block 7. He could have just arranged some sex with a little bit of money. Maybe a lot if he had other serious issues.

All he had to do was call the cable guy or talk to the old Circuit City repairman. They were connected.

The real problem is, why can't we have a universal health care system where mental health problems like this can be diagnosed and dealt with before reaching this level?

Why can't the guys with an over developed sense of entitlement access the mental health care they need?

Why do we still believe profit motives trump societal needs?

FTS. Your posts on this thread took the words right out of my mouth!

We're not talking about hypothetical situations like having diabetes and not eating ice cream or choosing to deplete your savings instead of accepting a job. But comparing women to commodities says a lot about one's views on women...

We're talking about a situation where a man can only attract uglier women because of his own looks, yet feels entitled to better looking women without working on himself. That's a huge sense of entitlement!

Icey, first of all, I'm not sure if you can really say that patronizing a hooker is anti-social behavior. Adults can consent to such. And she may start out as a hooker, and end up as a GF by morning. I've met some real nice ones, long ago when SF had a much better looking crew out on the sidewalks.

And as far as mental health and mental illness, that is a myth, just a way of delegitmating someone.

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Mental-Illne…

I agree with you though that we need Universal Health Care, and I would also say an economic safety net via Universal Basic Income.

As far as Whites and entitlement, yes these sorts of guys are most always Disgruntled White Males, and almost always holding racist views.

But usually these guys don't really go along with government style entitlement programs. Usually they hold right wing views and are very much against people of other races, immigrants, and the poor. They see these as taking something which they think should be theirs. They refuse to accept the degree to which the world they imagine has always depended on gov't taxation, spending, regulation, and controls.

@FTS, I don't agree with you. Most of the time these disgruntled whites have gone along with the Right's framing of the issues in terms of race.

Everyone wants to earn a good living. They only change when they start to see that such is often impossible, and then they may fall prey to arguments from the Right.

Icey wrote, "But comparing women to commodities says a lot about one's views on women."

That I definitely agree with, and as such I try to avoid talking about that 1 to 10 scale, even on this board.

But getting back to: "We're talking about a situation where a man can only attract uglier women because of his own looks, yet feels entitled to better looking women without working on himself. That's a huge sense of entitlement!"

His looks might not be the greatest, but I would still say that the main limitations in his life are those found in his own head. People should feel entitled to a decent life. But this guy has some really mean attitudes, mostlly assimilated from the Right and coded in terms of Racism and Misogyny. That's very different from someone who has grown up rich, which is what is usually meant when talking about entitlement.

SJG

T-Pain - Im In Love With A Stripper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKcr5vkO…

Tag, You're It/Milk and Cookies Double Feature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEYHJFIO…

w/ lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN2EoQjR…

Its not that I'm against acoustic guitar, its just that I like the electric music so much. And note the 5 string bass.
Eric Clapton - Old Love (Live in Hyde Park 1997)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxVTJr14…

Badge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frPQTiry…

Layla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX5USg8_…

Joe Bonamassa - "Midnight Blues" - Beacon Theatre - Live From New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z74lr3t…
Computer Written Music, 1 hr
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JEFF BECK -Brush With the Blues
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Jeff Beck - LIVE Full Concert 2017 ft/ Rosie Oddie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXJQb7aI…

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Move flavors of Aiva generated music
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I agree that right wing anger and racism are the reason for much of these kinds of shootings and violence... The shooters feel like they should be at the top of American society because they're white men, and they blame liberals and women,minorities, for "taking" that away from them. They think that their own shortcomings are really the fault of everyone else and that if they were "valued" and had the entitlements they deserve as white men, society would be different and they'd be better off ie could get laid, better jobs, whatever...

^^^^^^^^^ Yes, I agree with what you have said.

You are talking about the sense of entitlement as a racial and gender thing, the Rush Limbaugh dynamic.

Problem is though that often people use "entitlement" in the same way that they use something like "spoiled", tied to the idea of someone who may have grown up rich, or something like that. And that is very different. You can't say something like that about someone who is basically living living a modest life.

People should be ENTITLED to self-actualizing careers which use their skills and serve social purpose. Problem is though that often such is not there. And yes, it is most likely minorities, immigrants, and the poor who are getting short changed the worst.

SJG

Most of these rampage shooters seem to think like Rush Limbaugh. Its not the entitlement of a rich person, it is the anger of a person who has come to blame everything on minorities, immigrants, and the poor.

SJG

So when you need money, go to a gay bar and sell your ass. Then tell us how great P4P feels because everyone got what they wanted.

White American men have a lot of pent up anger and are prone very prone to different types of violence. They feel they're owed something or that they can buy everyone and when they can't they lash out

^Yes because a hoe supposedly has the best info on how to pickup bitches?

Its too bad this young man did not buy my video course for I could have taught him many things.

That's actually a really good analogy.... prostitution is like a guy sucking dick coz he needs some extra cash. The feelings most hoes have afterwards are comparable to what the straight guy sucking dick for dollars would feel.

I think it is a spoiled attitude when someone thinks they can buy anything or are entitled to it because they pay or what not. One of the biggest complaints you'll get from dancers and hoes are of men who think they can do whatever they want coz they think they own them for paying.

Oddly enough, I think SJG hit the target with his last post. The guy couldn’t get laid, and he blamed it on everyone but himself. His anger towards everyone probably grew with each female who rejected him.

Sadly, there are white males with intense growing hatred that is fueled by the blame game. Unemployed guys blame everyone for taking the jobs - and their hate grows. Guys at retirement age - who have no money saved - hate others because they never saved their own money. Guys who can’t get laid - blame women for shunning their advances.

Rather than taking a hard look at themselves - and making positive changes - it’s easier to sit and hate. It’s fucked up, it’s wrong, and it makes things worse.

This shit was here before Trump - and before the immigration issues became news. But it wasn’t accepted. Folks would say “Get off your ass and do something positive!” But now it’s become acceptable, and it’s become prevalent enough to be a real problem.

Notice how when minorities blame society's institutions for anything they get shut down. But its acceptable for white men to blame others for their own shortcomings....

Its ludicrous that minorities are shot down when complaining about gentrification or police brutality...., yet white men can blame not getting laid on women and can claim that mass shootings could be prevented if white men were granted access to sex with better looking women, and they get taken more seriously....

White privilege and an entitled mentality at its best.....and ugliest

Icey, I should say something here. You posted much about entitlement on the Elliot Rodger thread. I think now that I was misunderstanding you. I thought you were talking about rich person's entitlement. I think now that you were talking about White Male entitlement. And yes, with that I agree, he was getting that from the Men's Rights / MGTOW / Misogynist movement.

I will also say that with all of these angry at women shooters, they are trying to find their place in the world. They just reach a breaking point when they cannot find it. So it does no good to fault them. We need instead to look at what is wrong with our society.

I can say that with life experience, I am far more liberal in my own thinking than I was when I was the age that these guys are.

SJG

Richard Smoley: The Shamanic Vision
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI_KmST_…

Joe Bonamassa - "I'll Play The Blues For You" - Live At The Greek Theatre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoX0Olfq…

Nice looking, agree?

https://i2.wp.com/davidswanson.org/wp-co…

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intel…

Have a feeling this guy is going to lose his anal virginity to Bubba or Julio or Billy Bob in the pokie.

SJG, entitlement comes in different forms, I did basically mean the set of privileges he had. I think when a person sees the world around them and how it affects us and everyone around us, becoming more liberal is the humane thing to do. I mean, when we talk about anything, we have to remember that ultimately it's about the impact things have on actual human beings.

WIth these shooters, a lot of it is about abject hopelessness and a desire to leave some kind of legacy. There are bullied kids and social misfits who look up to them, wish they had the "courage" to do the same. I remember a case in Florida where a kid killed his bully and got off. Its complicated and complex.

Likewise someone doesn't just wake up one day and decide to commit a mass shooting. It happens over time and there are warning signs... and I don't believe they're mentally ill. They just act on what they see in society.... If cops can kill someone on sight, or if our country can resolve foreign policy with decades of war, if all the heroes in movies can kill everyone.... why can't he? Add to it right wing gun culture and paranoia, the "men's rights" movement, the social acceptance of bigotry....couple it with the psychological violence they've been subject to... its a lot of conditioning.

^^^^^ understanding you better now.

I think Elliot Rodger really was a product of this Men's Right's Movement. His thinking was completely shaped by that.

SJG

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Icey's post above, extremely well put, extremely.

SJG

Saw this woman's picture somewhere and it reminded me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFZPBSh0…

https://www.e-chords.com/chords/shocking…

But while most all the videos for this song are clearly lip sync, and they even require people playing instruments not shown on stage, I have finally found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWb8_DH8…

I'm not against acoustic guitar, its just that I like electric guitar music so much. And electric guitar can do things which acoustic guitar cannot. Needs to feel like you are there with them, not like it is just a contrived television show. Letting this finally be the psychedelia it was intended to be.

Richard Smoley: Magic and the Occult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh8ahm7B…

Ecstasy of St. Teresa
https://s3.amazonaws.com/test.classconne…

Ferdinand de Saussure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_…

Heart - All I Wanna Do Is Make Love To You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBfP63T0…

https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/hea…

Maybe if we took anti bullying campaigns more seriously and focused more on teaching kids to cope with adversity but really tackled bullying and harassment when it starts, we wouldn't have all of these dysfunctional and hopeless young people.

^^^^^^ You make a very good point Icey.

SJG

Crazy Mini Engines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDZKanK…

Richard Smoley - The Kabbalah: Key to Hidden Knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-R4sOrW…

^^^^^^ You make a very good point Icey. Bullying certainly was a big factor in the life of Elliot Rodger. I don't think he came to hate women until the very last year, and mostly influenced by this Manosphere.

SJG

Crazy Mini Engines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDZKanK…

Richard Smoley - The Kabbalah: Key to Hidden Knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-R4sOrW…

Shocking Blue - Venus ( far better than any of the other videos, actually live )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWb8_DH8…

Jefferson Airplane High Flyin' Bird and Today , Monterey Pop Festival 1967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsDdJWn5…

Notice also that the news focuses on this guy being a virgin. In prior times that would have been considered an insignificant detail. Overall I don't think focusing on this Incel movement is a good thing.

These type of guys seem beyond extremely frustrated - I think the lack of dating/GFs is more a symptom of the problem that contributed to what they did but not the source of the problem - seems w/e it is about them that makes it difficult to date or have a GF is the bigger problem and what leads them to do what they do.

Having said this, it's obvious men, particularly young men, need to have access to sex - it's biology IMO - even in the animal kingdom one sees what extremes males go-to to have sex.

Many guys have trouble getting laid whether it'd be b/c they are shy, or just can't get it from whom they want, or as often as they want - IMO it def makes sense, and would def help, if P4P was legal since it'd be much safer and guys that needed that outlet would have it (even if they just needed it for a season in their life) - hell, sex is therapeutic and many guys, for various reasons, do not have as fulfilling a sex-life as they would like/need and are thus to some extent suffering from it and to some extent not being/feeling their best b/c of an unfulfilling sex-life.

P4P exists, legal or not. But most of these guys do not seem to want that. These guys feel that they are being treated in an unfair way. So they may want sex, but lack of sex is not really the issue. Rather it is their distress and their perception of an unfairness.

They are saying that something is wrong, and generally they are suicidal. But there perception of what the problem is, is ill founded.

I say that much of it exists in the Right Wing and Misogynist attitudes which they have assimilated. But beyond this, they seem likely to have been survivors of some sort of familial abuse too. But surfacing this would be extremely difficult.

SJG

Yanis Varoufakis: Socialism, Populism, Nationalism and Independence ( Aug 2018 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnFOfJsQ…

Yanis Varoufakis: Has capitalism failed us? ( May 2018 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gReGEDku…

Crazy Mini Engines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDZKanK…

Richard Smoley - The Kabbalah: Key to Hidden Knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-R4sOrW…

Shocking Blue - Venus ( live 1969 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWb8_DH8…

Have You Seen The Saucers - live, 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrVqhs4I…

well yeah the features and traits they have won't attract women....

Every man has access to sex. The only real reason for them not to is if they refuse what they can get

Not sure that anything about how they look makes them much worse off than average.

The issue seems to be in how they think. These are not nice people.

SJG