BBBJ and BBFS in the clubs?

At my favorite club I would say that BBFS is very hard to cum by. I have not heard of anyone getting it or being offered it. Damn sure not me. BBBJ is becoming harder to cum by. I've heard that the Cubans are the the least likely to offer it.

In spite of it's reputation, I know a lot of dancers that will not do more than HJs in VIP or will not even do VIP.

Regulars, regardless of age, are more likely to get bare back services.

I admit to engaging in BBFS a few years ago in one of our dive-ier clubs. But it's nothing like what you describe in metro Detroit where the clubs sounds like brothels. In the sugaring world, the girls online claim that they would never go BB, yet ever one of mine has gone BB. But these are college girls who have had a few BFs and I don't consider it much more risk than what I was doing in my 20s. Have no idea if the big age difference plays a role.

BBBJ is easy to get, but a few dancers insist on a condom. BBFS is something I have gotten occasionally. However, it is not something I ask for because of the risks of disease or pregnancy. As to becoming more common, it seems like it has become more common in the last 10 years. I don't know why. Society in general becoming more permissive?

Like Electronman I club in metro Detroit.

Most dancer's won't do BBFS OR BBJ. A rare few will. But it will cost you more $$$$ & your health. So I agree with Shadow 100%

1. With today's meds HIV is not a sure death sentence as it used to be so it kinda leads to a false sense of security

2. Today's millennials didn't experience the worst of the HIV epidemic so they msy not be as scared shitless

There is also the new med PrEP which is supposedly very effecti

There is also the new med PrEP which is supposedly very effective at preventing HIV infection - but IDK how widespread its use is.

From what I have experienced and read it seems to be more the norm in Detroit than other places.

BBBJ is a lot easier to find in my own experiences but to be fair I don't ask. I'm more an OTC person since I know there are cameras.

Electronman: I travel frequently. I don’t think your experience is unique to Detroit. Your stats are about the same as mine. About 75% are ok with BBBJ. I never ask for BBFS but have had it offered occasionally.

I've clubbed in Phoenix, Denver, Kansas City, St Louis, Dallas, and Ft Lauderdale. My two trips to Detroit were the only times I had dancers try to mount up raw. BBBJ seemingly are everywhere however.

“Regulars, regardless of age, are more likely to get bare back services.” Shadow, I don’t think I agree with that, at least with respect to BBBJ. I travel frequently so I am almost never a regular when I club, but if the club has extras, in my experience, BBBJ is not hard to find. It’s the norm for an OTC session, even after a first time meet.

I don't even know escorts who would risk it. Its not just for the hoe, its for the trick's safety too really.

That aside every girl has limits. Some things are too intimate to do with tricks. That's how you distance yourself from them and don't think of it as sex or don;t do things you enjoy cos your goal is to not feel anything with a trick. Like its not "sex"

This is the specialty of a certain Persian stripper, she’s diseased I wouldn’t risk it.

I’ve received BBBJ every time it was offered. I’ve had a couple girls try BBFS ITC but I put a stop to that real quick. The closest I’ve come to allowing BBFS was with a regular who did camel toe slide with me. Yeah, dumb but all was good with it and nothing came of it. Both of us did leave that booth pretty happy though.

Like Electronman and jackslash, I also club in Detroit. At my go-to club, my experiences have been that services are almost always covered. I have gotten BBBJ, but it is very rare. Perhaps it wouldn’t be as rare if I specifically ask for it during the negotiation process. However, it is not my style to ask for just a BJ. I like to receive everything. For me, that usually ends up being a session with CBJ and CFS.

Age may be a factor. A stripper more than likely has less risk of pregnancy from giving bareback services to a man in his 60’s than she does from a man in his 30’s. I know I don’t want to have a stripper baby, so I would never do BBFS with a stripper.

"... Perhaps it wouldn’t be as rare if I specifically ask for it during the negotiation process. However, it is not my style to ask for just a BJ. I like to receive everything. For me, that usually ends up being a session with CBJ and CFS ..."

Why can't "everything" be BBBJ + CFS - CFS does/should not negate BBBJ

yeah!

I live in the northeast (Boston area) and sex without a common is not only becoming a lot more common, I'd say it's the new norm especially for BJ's. In fact I can't even recall the last time a chick asked me to wear a condom or even offered me a condom for a blowjob. 4 or 5 years ago even I pulled out a rubber during a CR and the dancer told me flat out that she didn't like the taste of latex and it was either BB or nothing! So basically around here its 100% BBBJ. As far as FS goes, my experience is that with Millennial girls born in the '90's the majority either prefer BB or will do it by default if I didn't bring a condom or ask for a condom. Girls being OK with or even asking for a creampie ending is also very common nowadays. I think Papi is correct about Millennial ladies not experiencing the same AIDs crisis and the fact that new drugs are available.

^ You are right Papi. CFS should not negate BBBJ. It just seems like the majority of the girls at my go-to club will only do CBJ, at least on the night shift. It may be different during the day. As I mentioned before, I don’t ask for it to be uncovered, so I am letting them decide if they want to do it covered or not, and a CBJ is better than no BJ at all.

i won’t consider a tip for a cbj.

CBJs suck - she's sucking the condom not your dick

I asked about age for two reasons-- I'm in my 60s and I've had dancers tell me that they prefer older customers because they tend to have more money (good logic) and because they are less risky than the young bucks. I asked about the risk of "young bucks" and she mentioned that the young bucks had more partners (and more risk) than us older guys. Of course, the stripper was probably just working me for a dance.

IME, the high volume girls in clubs where sex is offered on the cheap are the ones most likely to be strict about condom use. Makes sense given the constant exposure they have to different guys.

@shadowcat, this might be hard to believe, but I was the recipient (unwillingly and unrequested) of BB service at my last visit to your favorite club. And on the lapdance couches, to boot (sorry guys).

Honestly, I had a little buzz going on, and for a minute or so, it didn't actually quite register in my brain what was happening. Once I came to my senses (which was, luckily, before I came to my senses, so to speak) I was quite honestly shook, and ended the dances abruptly. I had planned on a VIP trip that day, and I would have liked VIP to with that dancer, in fact, but the whole experience threw the rest of my visit off.

Again, I just wanted to add my 2 cents to this discussion. I want to reiterate that the whole experience was the dancer's prerogative; I'm not going to say I was 'raped', but that was definitely not something I was seeking.

Quite frankly, I was pretty freaked out by the whole incident for a few weeks, but luckily everything tested out OK.

My point being, is that it does seem to be a more common thing with the generations younger than mine. Like many have mentioned, these kids never lived through the AIDS crisis and all of that, so it doesn't seem to bother them too much, possibly outside of the risk of getting pregnant.

I didn't mention it in my reviews but a surprising amount of girls were cool with BBFS at Hong Kong (if you paid extra).

^ Putting aside whether I buy the notion that you had BB sex for a whole minute before you knew what was happening (lol)...

I agree that the younger generation is less inclined to use condoms. I also think that most white heterosexuals are not afraid of AIDS anymore for multiple reasons. When you hear about it over and over but are never really confronted by it in your daily life, the risk becomes abstract after a while. The overwhelming majority of AIDS transmissions are still from homosexual sex and IV drug use. Heterosexuals have very little realistic risk of contracting it through vaginal sex, unless of course a woman is unfortunate enough to be fucking a guy who also fucks other guys. Add to this that most other STIs are easily curable and I think that a lot of people are just not scared enough to bother wearing a rubber anymore.

SorryLlivet, that first sentence was directed at Saj.

I’ve never thought of any BBFS - so if she’s offering pussy - I’m wrapping it up. I’m not even giving it a thought.

I had a dancer years ago - in VIP - she was on top - she pulled her g string aside - and was ready to put it in - and I stopped her. Unless it’s wrapped up - I’m not going to fuck her.

BBBJ - I’m ok with.

^ Looking back, I wish I had that discipline in the heat of the moment. I've fortunately dodged a few bullets this past year.

I'm snipped so don't worry about pregnancy.

From the CDC, heterosexual transmission rates of HIV is on the order of 5 in 10,000 per encounter. That's if you know for sure your partner is HIV+. Maybe 0.2% of women in US of all races are HIV+. If both of you and your partner test negative for HIV, the risk is in the noise level and I refuse to worry about it.

Gonorrhea @ chlamydia can be treated with antibiotics.

Situation is more complicated with HPV, HSV1, HSV2, which have no cure. Condoms are not all that effective for all three. Changing the subject to oral sex, men are at some (small) risk of getting HPV throat cancer from DATY. It's the leading cause of throat cancer now, and I do know someone who survived, but went through absolute hell with chemotherapy and radiation treatments.

I tested negative to HSV2 and I've never been tested for HSV1. There's murky, but growing, evidence that HSV1 is linked to alzheimers. It may turn out to be nothing. Most men 50+ (80% to 90%) are carrying HSV1 from non-sexual contact in childhood. So the issue is that you can transmit HSV1 mouth-to-genitals during DATY to your college-age partner. There's the social stigma of herpes at the very least and one more thing to worry about.

I think people get hysterical over the risk of sex. There's a 1 in 80 chance of dying in a car accident sometime in your life. There's a risk of eating cheeseburgers or processed foods. Road cycling leads to to 20,000 deaths per year and I do it anyway. Key is to minimize the risk in an intelligent way and enjoy life. For me that means picking sane partners, one at time, and getting tested regularly.

i only fuck one at a time.

BBBJ has always been available. When I started this hobby a covered BJ wasn't even an option. Covered FS was optional with some and required with others. Uncovered usually was a bump in price. When aids hit it was assumed to be a gay disease and then IV drug users and then butt sex. It wasn't until the late 80's covered BJ's hit the NJ shore area IIRC. Well into the 90s in the Asbury park and Camden areas uncovered FS was still available for an up charge. Of course anyone with some common sense realized these ladies made the offer because it was already too late for them. We usually asked if this was an option and declined even a lap dance if she agreed to it.

A few ladies I know well have offered to go bareback if we both agree to testing on a regular basis and agree to be very limited and selective in our other partners. I am already limited and selective and get tested regularly but still decline and insist on protection. I also assume she is making the same offer to others and usually end our meet ups. I don't want a disease even one that is easily cured. I don't want a child.

95% of bj's I've had in strip clubs are bbbj. Most dancers, if they are willing to give a bj, don't require a cover. However I'm really not interested in cbj since I know I can likely get a bbbj from someone else anyway. On the other hand, I've only been offered bbfs once by a dancer, so I'd say this is much less common. But then again I'm not typically a fs guy so maybe my stats aren't reliable since I'm not inquiring.

I will say that most Russians and Cubans do require a cover for a bj. I think the dancers that are more money hungry/career oriented are the ones that are going to use covers. The ones that are also trying to have fun are the ones that don't.

Most if not all the top clubs in South FL are Cuban-dancer dominated and getting a BBBJ is kinda like winning the lottery - although if one is persistent enough one may find a BBBJer.

Seems to me BBBJs may be common in just certain high-extras markets, kinda the exception to the norm, but it's an assumption on my part.

If you go to Washington Park in Illinois, their back anything is essentially available from most of the girls in several clubs. I do not partake in those clubs personally as most of those women are not of interest to me. I think I've been offered bbj at almost every club I've ever been.

@Papi, copied and pasted from above is my opinion on my what is...

IME, the high volume girls in clubs where sex is offered on the cheap are the ones most likely to be strict about condom use. Makes sense given the constant exposure they have to different guys.

From my experience, covered is standard and BB is rare though a few dancers offer it for more tip, that being said I've received a few BBBJ without asking for it but I did tip more.

its kinda funny how you act like you're almost repulsed by women who offer it to anyone other than you lmfao. you guys do realize that the hoes you hire do a lot of other tricks too right? lmfao

^ strippers are honest - thus we should believe them when they tell us they only do it with us - "we have a connection"

Us TUSCLers are experts at finding "low volume girls" - our "6th-sense" is rarely wrong

My fav was a virgin before I met her. She adopted her kids.

^ you should've adopted her kids too after all she does for you

@flagooner is it true, I hear she’s your fruitcup dealer ;)

RandomMember: Helpful perspective on relative risk! Not judging anyone who avoids any and all BB services but it is helpful to consider risks relative to all the other activities in your life.

@papi: I feel pretty confident in saying that almost any girl working in almost anywhere is lower volume than those chicks you get LDs from in those Miami dives. It is pretty clear from almost every review other than the ones that you write. ;)

Seriously though Papi, every girl might not be completely honest on the volume front. Butt in many clubs in many parts of the country we at least know that she isn't stacking FS customers ITC because many clubs simply don't allow it.

NO ONE is honest about the volume, its not like a hoe will tell you how many tricks she just did! She doesn't just call a guy when she needs money, she cycles guys and gets the most out of them, if she's working clubs. Extras girls will do as many guys as they can per night but they're not going to tell the tricks lol

I just think that most of us, even the vets, don't know much about what these girls are up to beyond the time they spend w/ us - many SCers, including vets, IMO can fall under the guise that somehow they get particular treatment that very few other custies, if any, get - but no way to really know for sure