Follow up to the discussion I just posted . . .

I haven’t kept any data but I guess about 50%. This includes dancers who are noncommittal or say they want to know me better first.

I've only had OTC with one girl. And I've also only ever asked one girl. So I guess that makes my success rate 100% ;)

Most of the time it's been the dancer who brings it up, not me. When I have brought it up, around 70 percent said no the first time I asked. Those who do eventually agree, I didn't bring it up again for a few visits then started hinting. When a dancer does agree it seems to be around the third time I brought it up. A few times the dancer would bring it up before I asked again, "hey, remember when asked if you could see me elsewhere..."

Most of the dancers I ask - and who I’ve done otc with - have said yes on the first try.

I’m not saying that I’m good at it, so let me explain. If a dancer isn’t providing the extras I want itc, and I want more, I’ll ask if she will see me otc. If the answer is no, I’ll move on. It’s not worth spending more itc or to push more for otc.

My ATF gave it up itc for me every time. When I made her cum itc once, she gave me her number, and then we got into some great otc. But that was unexpected -

-->"When I have brought it up, around 70 percent said no the first time I asked. Those who do eventually agree, I didn't bring it up again for a few visits then started hinting"

I'm realizing I can't really estimate the percentages with any real accuracy, but ignoring the exact percentage, a pretty good percentage of strippers have told me -- well, not usually "no", but they needed to think about it, get more comfortable, etc -- and it's then common that a pretty good percentage of those eventually come to a yes within a few visits. This goes directly against the standard narrative here -- that she'll either say yes (probably to everyone who asks) immediately, and any other answer always means she's stringing you along -- but this hasn't just been one or two girls, it's a decent percentage over the years who switch a non-committal answer to a yes.

WRT the non-committal answer, some of it is SS, some it is also true. There's a hierarchy within the extras girls; some will do it with anybody, some want to be more comfortable, and others even more so with a regular. It's a continuum of where they are combined with what their motives are. aka financial situation.

Subraman and Stripfighter - my experience is similar to what you each describe. These aren't whores or backpage girls. How many of them truly got into stripping because they wanted to do extras ethier ITC or OTC? But there is an evolution at play and some of them will become comfortable with it under a magnitude of different situations . . . and for some not at all. There's also a good number that will pretend that they are considering OTC with you so long as you keep coming back and spend as they go through the motions that they are still **pretending** to consider it . . . and even with these girls, some eventually will do OTC depending on changes to their financial situation and so forth . . . and if you were a gentleman and decent to hang out with, who knows what continues to happen after that. A nice dinner and a comfortable bed sure does beat spending the entire evening on your feet trying to hustle $20 dances from any old dude who walks in.

I enjoy the chase as much as I enjoy meeting up OTC. I can't get the same experience from a whore, let alone an escort. It's not even close.