Car Keys and Wallet Dating

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Night clubs and discos get her to dress the part, and that is a plus. But such venues are more for groups, and more for hitting on women.

So these are mixed at best for car keys and wallet dates.

Daytime dates, can be good.

Performing arts I have always found to be outstanding. Symphony, Plays. Used to go to all the local theater companies, and to San Jose Symphony. Best was VITA, had Shakespeare in the summer time, and outdoors. And then UC Santa Cruz always had really good plays.

The local theater groups tend to be too conservative. And this stuff is harder to set up. More for a girl you are going out with regularly, not for one you just met.

And lectures and such, the same way.

Met girl at a shopping mall and took her to eat, fast food in the mall, followed by a nicer restaurant outside. But she was a stripper whom I knew, and she also worked at a hair cutting place. Mostly she wanted to make sure I was spending money on her as a prelude to giving money to her. Except for strippers, not the typical situation.

Art Cinema's good, late night and impromptu eating good.

Other things limited. What do other people think?

SJG

^^^^^^ Always good if you can invite the girl to something you would want to do anyway, so that it is not just conspicuous consumption.

SJG

I thing you got it RONG.

Car Keys and Wallet Dating.

Here, let me correct it for you:

Huffy Bike Lock and Goat Feed Dating.

There you go buddy. All fixed! No need to thank me!

^^^^ I agree with you. The main reason for the night club even being considered is to get her to dress sexy. And you might have originally met her in such a place. But I do agree with you.

SJG

I like them in high heels and short dresses.

So this and even less, are why I will be doing photo sessions. But for a basic car keys and wallet date, I find that there are limitations.

Better if you first find the girl dressed sexy. Night clubs good for that.

SJG

^^^^ Agreed.

But strip clubs also good. And though the dressing sexy is gone, indoor shopping malls. You can ask them, like over the telephone what they were shopping for, usually it will be clothes, and that opens a door to talking about dressing sexy. But you do this over the telephone. F2f you don't do that. You appreciate her as she is.

But still, what kind of Car Keys and Wallet Dates, and then also, how to steer around them and avoid them?

SJG

TF does car keys and wallet date mean?

Who dat?

What a twat.

What is car keys and wallet dating? Its when the girl needs to see you perform, measure up to social expectations. She has to see your car keys and your wallet in action.

So the usually alternative to spending money on the girl, is just to start giving money to her. :) :) :)

In college I was slow to accept car keys and wallet dating. For one thing there just is not that much free time. For another, I really did not want to move in the direction of consumerism, that Work to Spend squirrel cage.

Instead, I was more inclined just to pick up girls at the numerous and totally open parties. As I see it now, these worked because everyone was effectively pre-screened for being a student.

Later on in college I did do some car keys and wallet dating. Usually it goes off well.

After college, it was totally car keys and wallet.

And then with the one I ended up marrying, it was every weekend, usually Friday night, Saturday day and Saturday night, and most of Sunday. Over all quite costly. And time consumptive. I guess no one would really do that unless they really wanted to keep on seeing the girl.

I don't want to do things that way now. We need other lifestyle alternatives. The organization I am building will provide this.

SJG

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"if you don't invest time into a girl you're not going to get much time invested by her into you."

Agreed.

"One night stands are a scam. Somehow, American society has been convinced that they are the best but its possibly the least satisfying way of engaging someone sexually I can think of."

Agreed.

If only I could have been as smart as you are now, when I was as young as you are now.

SJG

So if one night stands are a scam, putting time an energy into something which goes no where, then what does that say about 60 min and 30 min VIP Room Scams, and song by song booth scams? Not only putting time, energy, and jizm into something which goes no where, but also a significant amount of money?

SJG

So as I see it then, the alternative to one night stands and the alternative to car keys and wallet dating, is long MSOG sessions, often TLN's. This way you are putting time into the girl. Maybe you are giving her mistress maintenance too.

But conservative good girls will not go along with this. They need to see the car keys and the wallet in action, to make the entire encounter legitimate. And I don't think many wives would go along with this. I know this the hard way.

So you need something more to make this work.

SJG

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Usually the girl will want to see the car keys and wallet in action. That proves that you are in conformance with social expectations.

Now in P4P this can usually be waived.

But otherwise, likely not. But if you want the relationship to be about MSOG TLN's, instead of car keys and wallet and getting in too late for much more than sleeping, how do you do it?

SJG


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I didn't read most of this, but what is car keys and wallet dating?

It is just what it sounds like it is. Most women expect this. So when I walk out the front door, what do I need to bring?

It is totally wasteful. But it seems to be what women expect. So the alternative to spending money on her, totally wasteful, is giving money to her. This latter is very practical.

SJG

Dating is just a way to get to know each other. Its not really any different from meeting up with a friend, its just that it has romantic/sexual overtones included.

Yes, but mostly it is a form of conspicuous consumption.

People can get to know each other between the sheets just as well. But most women expect to see conformance with social standards, except when it is P4P.

SJG

I mean you're not wrong, its just a different way of going about it. A lot of guys that I would start out with as fuck buddies turned into friends and I actually ended up dating one of them but that ended quickly cause this girl can't be tied down ;)

I did a huge amount of car keys and wallet dating before I was married. And really, such consumption is not in my nature.

But then once married, I found it very hard to build an actual partnership, rather than just a dependence on car keys and wallet dating.

The alternative is to get long MSOG ( Multiple Shots On Goal) sessions going. Bed room sessions.

SJG

Well, maybe some girls will get into bed without that. More radical girls, or maybe P4P, or just a girl wants to do that. But with most, the car key and wallet display is mandatory, as I have seen it.

SJG

It usually is impossible to completely get around car keys and wallet dating. And not all of it is bad. Some of the events can be fun, and everyone does need to eat.

But in my view you still want to minimize it, and minimize the formality of it.

With P4P you can likely reduce it.

Car Keys and Wallet dating is conspicuous consumption. I find this to be distasteful. And unless you plan to be doing that for your whole life, you need some other way, you need some way which the relationship can further develop so that it is an actual partnership, and usually home based.

So the alternative is long MSOG sessions, usually TLN's.

But even that is not enough. The amount of conservatising social force exerted on a heterosexual relationship cannot be over estimated. Such relationships are after all the axis on which social conservatism revolves.

So besides just doing MSOG TLN's, you still need something else, some other kind of software.

I make compromises for Viet Coffee, some casual restaurants, and strip clubs. But I make these compromises because I understand that such could not work any other way. But I make these compromises voluntarily, not because of any pressure being exerted on me.

Before I was married I let the car keys and wallet dating go way too far. I did not insist that the relationship become home based. So it did become a problem. And even after marriage these problems did not lessen.

Car Keys and Wallet Dating may have some benefits in moderation, and it is hard to completely get away from it. But allowing it to go too far is a mistake, a serious one.

To remedy this, there is still something more needed.

And we can see here that I am not just imagining, simply by the numbers of men who eschew any kind of relationships.

SJG

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I love being able to flash my big thick wallet - show off my expensive watch - my nice car - and know that some sweet piece of ass will see this shit and want to spread for me!

It’s very satisfying to know there are girls who will think more of you because you have more - and aren’t afraid of showing off!

I tell the girls about my place - with it’s sweet views of the NYC skyline. The expensive furniture. The maid’s room. It makes them feel so classy. So much less like a girl who fucks for money!

They love the wood detail in my car. The soft leather of the seats. The warmth of the heated leather. Mmm...

They will practically spread in the club parking lot! They want to be fucked by a guy who looks rich!

They don’t want a guy who hates expensive stuff - because he’s a loser.

They want a guy with expensive suits, nice shoes, expensive watches, as they need to belong to a successful man - who knows how to use them - and make them feel like a high class whore!

^^^^^ But for how long do you want the relationship to be based on, and dependent upon, such stuff?

SJG

I tend to prefer casual sex because it lets me continue to have freedom in my sex life. I've dated a few guys but none of them can keep up with my sex drive and they usually also want to to be exclusive. I could date a guy if he wanted an open relationship but most guys are too jealous to be interested in something like that. Right now though I'm not really looking for a relationship beyond a friend with benefits sort of deal, right now I'm just having fun.

I’m 54 - so it’s not as though I’m looking for a girlfriend - or anything exclusive. I’m enjoying a series of hook ups.

It’s great! I don’t worry about certain things at all. It’s actually relaxing and fun! It’s so much better than the hung up shit I was dealing with in my 20’s!

I don’t worry if a girl is moody or angry - I just meet up and fuck!

They love seeing my thick wad of bills! The moisten when they see my car keys - and they are very happy when I invite them back to my place for a drink - and to enjoy the view!

You’d be surprised how fulfilling an emotionally empty relationship can be!

Strippercutie404 knows the drill. It’s never exclusive - as I’m going to fuck other girls - and I expect my hook up girls to fuck other guys!

"You’d be surprised how fulfilling an emotionally empty relationship can be!"

That's not the only thing getting filled ;)

strippercutie404, what you say sounds most inviting.

But as I see it, for most people, the Car Keys and Wallet drill usually does come to interfere with both emotional intimacy and with sex.

Something else is needed.

SJG

^^^^ But how much time did you want to spend taking women on car keys and wallet dates? And in a relationship, you long would you want it to depend upon car keys and wallet dating.

Spending money on women is totally wasteful. Where as giving money to them is very practical. Its how they pay their bills.

SJG

^^^^^ Sounds Great!

But to make a relationship work, in my view, it has to shift to being home based, somehow. Like MSOG TLN's

SJG

I’m enjoying this back and forth! SJG debating the dead Dennis Hof! Lol!

Strippercutie404 - you make a good point. It’s fulfilling to fuck and empty a load inside of a naughty otc girl. It might be emotionally empty. But I’m not interested in an emotional attachment. I get attached when I’m inside of a hot otc dancer - and it feels great!

@strippercutie404 posted: "I've dated a few guys but none of them can keep up with my sex drive and they usually also want to to be exclusive. I could date a guy if he wanted an open relationship but most guys are too jealous to be interested in something like that."

When I mean turn-the-clock-back-to-1950 dating wise, I mean ^^THIS as well. I always took exception that dating in the '90s or '00s implicitly meant Going Steady or Be Exclusive, as you write. I never went along with this. To me, a traditional or conservative dating arrangement meant multiple suitors. Otherwise, how else are you going to know who or what you like?

Now I did find out that in a lot of cases, modern american women would implicitly expect dating="Going Steady" even on the 1st or 2nd date. San_Jose_Guy and strippercutie404, I never bought into this. But with these women, I learned that if they found out that you went on other dates, most of them completely lost their shit and would go berserk. So I learned to keep it on the down low.

strippercutie404, I would have appreciated your honesty and candor.

San_Jose_Guy, as you can probably guess, multiple suitors and Car Key Wallet dating -- it can get very expensive, fast. But that is inherent in its design. The key is to get her off that as soon as you can, or you just hemorrhage money to infinity.

Dominic,

Well, in my experience, the car keys and wallet dating is how the girl gains power. For one thing, car keys and wallet dating is not sex. It may well usually result in sex, but it is not sex itself. So it becomes a hurdle, or a toll gate.

But then if you end up living with the girl, or end up married to her, then you are cornered, the woman is no in charge.

As I see it, the problem comes from excessive car keys and wallet dating.

Dennis, I understand, your brothels are your home. Well, as I am building my own organization, my places will be my home. Not brothels at all, but places where I can stay and bed down with our women.

And, you are one of my inspirations here.

But, I still have to ask you, how much time do you want to spend taking women on car keys and wallet dates? This is after all primarily about power.

SJG

Interesting Old Thread
Favorite Strip Clubs of San_Jose_Guy?
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Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit (Live at Reading 1992) w/ surprise into
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So looking at the upside of Car Keys and Wallet Dating:

One thing which has always worked well is knowing a fun late night restaurant. For me this was a real good fancy pizza place. Restaurateurs have told me that this is all by reputation. You start with standard hours, but then as the rep builds, you can stay profitable staying open later and later. My favorite ran until 2am. So I could take the girl to some performing arts venue. Then check my wallet and put the key in the ignition and drive across the county to get to this late night place, still full of people and overall real good. Makes it better to be a little bit later when the bed room and TLN Is the final destination.

Other people find good arrangements for Car Keys and Wallet Dating?

SJG

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"Other people find good arrangements for Car Keys and Wallet Dating?"

My bedroom seems like a good place ;)

The key is to always show your woman that you have money but that the money you're spending is essentially pocket change for you. Do not ever let a woman stretch your budget to the limits for she can sense this and it will come off as neediness and an overeager attempt to impress her. Your dates should always be the best balance of high class and not stretching your budget as you can achieve.

In my experiences, taking a woman out for drinks first can get her loosened up and it is a more casual environment for the two of you to gets to know each other. After drinks you can either immediately suggest a late night restaurant or you can retire for the night and ask to meet up again on another day. Warning though, if your interaction was not particularly interesting during your drinks, she may not be up for a real date when you call her. I suggest taking her to a restaurant once you've already had drinks as she will be in a fun and relaxed mood and escalation should be easier. If a woman does not sleep with you after this, she is likely trying to lead you on on purpose in pursuit of further resources and you should cut your losses and move on to another woman.

Strippercutie, well yes, that is the way out of Car Keys and Wallet Dating, just going to the bedroom and making a regular practice of that.

But I still feel that something else is needed to make things regularly go smoothly.

SJG

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So thinking about this, the best car keys and wallet dates that I had were probably going to the Symphony, or to a really good play.

Now there are lots of local theater companies. They are okay. But the best plays were either at UC Santa Cruz, Santa Clara Univ, or one of the groups which does Shakespear outdoors. Then there were three favorite restaurants, one of which I mentioned before, open late.

But this stuff never worked once we were married and living together. Never worked anymore as there were unresolvable tensions.

And also, this kind of stuff is harder to set up than most. Need time to get tickets, to research what was available, etc. Not good for a first date where the objective is just to use that to soften the girl up before a first bedding.

And then you can't make a long term relationshp work on just Car Keys and Wallet Dating.

SJG

"Strippercutie, well yes, that is the way out of Car Keys and Wallet Dating, just going to the bedroom and making a regular practice of that.

But I still feel that something else is needed to make things regularly go smoothly."

Lol I'm just being silly :)! I know what you mean.

As I see it, most women will not just want to spend hours and hours fucking. There has to be something else which gives meaning, legitimacy, to it. Otherwise then consumeristic expectations come into play, and this drives it back to car keys and wallet dating.

So how does one do this, come up with something which gives meaning and legitimacy to it?

SJG

Well that something else is sex magic. That is, in someway, you have to make the sex be about something beyond the two partners, something greater than themselves.

When you have this, you can replace the senseless rites of Car Keys and Wallet Dating, with long MSOG nights.

Jack Whiteside Parsons and Marjorie Cameron did this via Crowley's Babalon Working.

SJG

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So, reflecting on a recent email exchange with my ex-wife.

She is now as mellow as they get. She sent me a cell phone picture of a loaf of bread she just baked. She is as happy as a clam.

But I also cannot help but notice that beyond superficialities, she is impossible to communicate with. It is frustrating as hell.

But as it is now, it is not that important. It was like this when we were married, and for years and years and years. She was not a partner. Partnership was impossible.

I don't know if it is me. For a long time I blamed myself for bringing home work stress, from a most difficult and inappropriate career. But when this was gone, things still did not change.

I have always been a very reflective person. Whereas I see now that my ex-wife is not. She does not like to look much at herself beneath the surface.

SJG

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She was play acting before we were married. But then after it all changed.

She is very intelligent, and over decades she does learn new things. But that is way too slow for a relationship to work and deal with exigencies.

I invested a lot of my life in her, believing that things would work. But now, even years after, communications is difficult to impossible.

SJG

SJG - So it seems like you have trouble communicating normally with most people in life except for strippers when you are slipping them $20 every 10 minutes. Instead of literally everyone in your life being the one who is hard to talk to could it be that maybe you are the one with the problem...?

Ex-wife, still a serious communications barrier, a disconnect. Just like what was the problem for so many years of marriage. Disconnect is still there. Can't fight it, but it still seems wrong.

SJG

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txtittyfag and I did not need to do car keys and wallet dating, we fucked within an hour of meeting one another.

Before we were married, lots and lots of car keys and wallet dating, every weekend.

My future wife was reasonable, but always pushing things along with rage bouts.

After we were married, no, things stopped working.

She became impossible to communicate with.

But now I am starting to see that I was just out of her reach of being able to engage with. I was facing things and dealing with things which where just beyond her abilities to engage with.

SJG

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Stan Tenen
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Saturday I reported on a man who had vanished from a 49er's stadium game the previous Monday. Saturday they found a body in the water near the old unused Alviso Marina and some old concrete boat ramps. The stuff is unused because silt comes in from the bay and fills it up.

I have years ago explored all around there. It is interesting, but even in the day time potentially dangerous. I once got stuck hip deep in mud and a shoe came off. Getting my foot back into the shoe I was able to recover it. But I was taking more risks in doing so.

This man was in the military, maybe Special Forces. So likely he handles himself quite well in the outdoors, even at night.

Not sure if any conclusions have been reached, but to me it sounds more and more like a suicide. Left his cell phone, battery run down to zero, in his car at the stadium. Also left his girl friend and her two kids there. But talking on the phone and using video up until the point he vanished.

https://590kqnt.iheart.com/featured/morn…

http://www.khq.com/story/39481212/santa-…

Here SJPD say that the body was found floating face down about 1 mile out from the Marina and the Ramps.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/body-discovery…

https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/ian-power…

I believe that police probably have more tidbits of information which they are not going to disclose until they are ready to close the case.

In a homicide it is usually those closest to the deceased who did it, and they are exposed by the contradictions in their stories. To me, this is sounding more and more like a suicide.

Here it sound like he was found at the boat launch, though those concrete ramps are unusable do to silt.
https://thespun.com/news/body-found-amid…

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/body-f…

Still waiting to hear that they have confirmed the identity, and then of course for any conclusions.

http://www.ksro.com/2018/11/19/body-disc…

Jeff Healey Band, full concert
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Theatre Chochotte, Paris
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Inside scene
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Here:
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Very close to the Seine

and to the Luxembourg Gardens park.

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‘Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world…

The US and Russian leaders listened in silence as Mr Macron took a swipe at the rising tide of populism in the US and Europe, warning: “The old demons are rising again, ready to complete their task of chaos and of death.”

“In saying, ‘Our interests first, whatever happens to the others’, you erase the most precious thing a nation can have, that which makes it live, that which causes it to be great and that which is most important: its moral values.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-11/w…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-12/e…

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/opini…

EXPLORING PARIS: The Red Light Sex Shop Area (Pigalle)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D_Zx8aY…

http://www.khq.com/story/39502486/body-d…

So I changed greatly when I found it necessary to make a big career change. I started to feel my feelings. But maybe I still did not change enough. Or maybe, my wife was just not able to follow me. She being basically a facade, as I see it now. Either way, I was never able to cross that emotional gap and get her to engage with me as I grew.

SJG

Mexico Lindo Bar, awesome front page pics:
http://www.mexicolindobar.com/
http://www.mexicolindobar.com/faby/

New American Nazis: Inside the White Supremacist Movement That Fueled Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/20/…

Is Photobucket down for other people? It is down right now for me.

So the body has been identified, it is the 32yo Ian Powers who vanished at the 11/12 Monday night football game.

They are saying that it was an accidental drowning, and now the case is closed.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bo…

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/body…

https://www.foxnews.com/us/body-found-in…

Jaguar F-Type, plans?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/jagua…

Helen Pepsi DeMacque
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dce8Dhr…

Who else here besides me is generally into black girls?

Of course we already know from their posts about Papi and LarryFisherman.

Alan Parsons, live w/ orchestra
Alan Parsons - Sirius / Eye In The Sky (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdyto5rf…

EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER - FROM THE BEGINNING (Original Version + Alternate Version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWWT_EUv…

Fanfare For The Common Man, Aaron Copeland, Leonard Bernstein introducing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgj7_Dmg…

Appalachian Spring, live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJYVH_kZ…

Fanfare for the Common Man from St. John the Divine, NYC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pemt2XGJ…

William Randolph plays "Fanfare for the Common Man" on the world's largest pipe organ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUmdKax2…

Fanfare For the Common Man, Aaron Copland, Organ and Timpani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1BPXeAL…

Century of the Common Man, Vice President Henry Wallace, May 8th 1942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBWula5G…

full text:
https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeche…

The Liberal Catholic Church, CA Parishes in Ojai and Richmond. Tied to Theosophical Society, and Henry Wallace was a part of this.
http://www.thelccusa.org/

Richmond CA
http://www.straphaelslcc.org/

Theatre Chochotte
https://www.theatre-chochotte.com/englis…

JFK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFO…

Wilhelm Reich in Hell / by Robert Anton Wilson ; foreword by Christopher S. Hyatt & Donald Holmes, M.D (1987)
Reich is interesting, a radical in many ways. But this also might say some about Israel Regardie, seeming to me a bit mysterious.

A different woman to date every weekend? I was not doing that. But it would not be that hard. Not in college, but outside of college, most young women really want to be dated, they are dying for it. World filled with lonely young hotties.

But once you start with one, they want you to continue. They don't take to being shelved.

I've dated them in close proximity, one one night, others the next two nights. It does feel strange, especially bringing them back to my own bed.

But the real solution is not steady P4P, its the organization I am building, including much, but also being a share-a-woman program.

SJG

Strip Clubs offer See, Want, Get.

But in the civvie world, there are lots of See, Want situations. But the Get is not going to happen without a car keys and wallet date.

Symphonies and plays cannot be set up on sort notice. Need other kinds of date venues. Usually it is restaurants.

Anyone else have good results using various venues to take Must Have Pussy out on a date on short notice?

SJG

With my wife, beyond a point, it became clear that she was not with me. She was not any kind of a partner in facing life's challenges. Rather, she was only concerned about the externals.

So as this was standing in the way of either of us growing and developing in the ways we needed to, I came to frame it more and more as a human rights violation.

SJG

In a Historic First, Senate Advances Bill to End U.S. Support for Illegal War in Yemen
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/29/…

Dec 7th 1941, a date which will live in infamy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhtuMrMV…

Frijid Pink - House of the Rising Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t40INnb6…

April Wine - I Like to Rock (Official Music Video) ( Couple of little snippets from other songs in this )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlcY_enz…

Rare Earth - I Know I'm Losing You (full version) ( first White act signed by Motown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F28X8--2…

Sugarloaf - Green-Eyed Lady (Original Song HQ) 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_i7PKdQ…

The Guess Who - No Sugar Tonight / New Mother Nature (Audio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMG-Mi9I…

IRON BUTTERFLY IN- A-GADDA-DA-VIDA IN HD BEST FULL VERSION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCkHanF4…

Deep Purple - Child In Time - 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OorZcOzN…

Rare Earth - Get Ready - complete track -1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yan9WilV…

Steppenwolf - The Pusher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqyGoE2…
Does this apply to Donald Trump? Germany already has War Crimes indictments against George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld?

Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride (Version 1969)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPE9a_ep…

"Lola"- The Kinks ( curious video )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AcS49Ud…

Eric Burdon & War - Spill The Wine ( live, Beat Club )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i0DMbCK…

Paint It Black ( quite good )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTbvJ-bY…

A Horse With No Name - America (Lyrics) ( hot girl in white )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpSdePGg…

Chicago ~ I'm a Man [studio version]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmeEyVd…

Humble Pie-30 Days In The Hole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZ…

Bad Company - Bad Company (From "Live at Wembley" CD, DVD & Blu-ray)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7vPjic5…

Notice the scene, from Edison's "The Great Train Robbery"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuto7qWr…

Isn't it true that so many of the Western Bad Men had been Confederate Deserters? They were shamed because they were on the losing side, but shamed again and not able to go home, because they had not served honorably?

Do you agree that the states which attempted succession should have been broken up, the lines redrawn, and the land redistributed? Today the political battles we fight still pertain to the underpinnings of slavery.

"
Universal jurisdiction is the principle that some crimes are so heinous that the courts of any country can and in certain cases must take jurisdiction over them. Universal jurisdiction is international law’s response to the spectacle of tyrants and torturers who cover themselves at home with immunity and impunity. It is the principle that led to the arrest, for instance, of Chilean General Augusto Pinochet when he traveled to London. It’s the principle under which the former dictator of Chad, Hissène Habré, was prosecuted in Senegal.
"

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/29/…

I did everything possible to be fair with her and make things work. But no, I was not going to let her continue to inflict harm.

SJG

The Broken Scales Of Wendy Carlos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuT6Y53L…

Wendy Carlos Alpha Scale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLT6E4zS…

Music Revolutionaries - Robert Moog & Wendy Carlos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtPJtSBB…

Serious Earthquakes In Alaska
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/large-earthqua…

If we have justice, then no one will ever be without what they need.

If we do not have justice, then money will never be a reliable substitute.

Medicare For All
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/30/…

Bernie Sanders, Economic Justice
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/30/…

My wife was always opaque, not able to communicate, not able to let a partnership form. And still that way today. I do not understand.

SJG

The Cube oF Space and the 22 Paths Of initiation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cXWcnHb…

⚡️ Arcanum 1⚡️ The Magician ⚡️ Tarot & Alchemy And Kabbalah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05HTe25N…

My wife was unreachable. Before the marriage okay, so I thought. But after, no way. It turned into Sleeping With The Enemy.

SJG

Zazu
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140…

Graham Bond ✪ Holy Magick [full album]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Exbl-S…

Farm - Farm 1971 (FULL ALBUM) [Psychedelic Blues-Rock]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plfEvepn…

How False Testimony and a Massive U.S. Propaganda Machine Bolstered George H.W. Bush’s War on Iraq
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/12/5/h…

I worked long long hours during my married days. I did this because she made our home into an unlivable space. I hated to be around her. She made the situation intolerable, and she did ruin a good work from home opportunity.

SJG

WANT ADS by Honey Cone (1970)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c58XCtIj…

http://www.songlyrics.com/the-honey-cone…

https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/hon…
Unlikely anyone was really playing G# and C#, probably this is made by doing signal processing on the recording, and by assuming Euro Tunning

Well, this says pretty much the same thing:
https://www.ultimate-tabs.com/honey-cone…

Now this is different, but it might not be the recorded key
https://www.topsheetmusic.eu/det/the-hon…

This stupid thread that is the main reason I put you on ignore, I see you still are the same jackass you've always been so back on ignore you go

Twentyfive, this time it is Mamisan who is bringing you your medicine, and she is going to help you apply it too!

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/…

SJG

Wife never really was 'with me'. I explained this to the marriage councilor and she agreed. Before being married she seemed to be just pretending, best behavior.

Its like I must be the most boring person in the world. She was not on board, not with me.

SJG

Rick Dugan was correct. I didn't get it. He said my problem was "not enough sack".

I was not able to lead my own life, dumping the wife and doing whatever else was needed.

So I was getting eaten alive.

SJG

This is really interesting. I never knew it had a name.

Its pretty much how dating is in some subcultures. Especially related to urban poverty and hip hop culture.

Every girl wants a guy who takes her shopping, gives her money for her hair, nails and shit, helps her with bills. Its not just handing money over, there's a reason for it and you help her. Maybe pay her mom's rent or buy her little brothers and sisters Birthday presents. Things like that. Being a guy who can do that raises your social status. So you spend money on her and give her money to make her look good coz she makes you look good.

As far as where to take girls on dates. It really doesn't matter. If you like each other enough you can enjoy just about anything. Clubs are a lot of fun with a girl, just make everyone know she's with you. If she's into you no reason to worry about other guys. As for nice restaurants. You can be as sexual as you want anywhere. Who cares about looks. If you spend enough and tip no one will say anything to you.

I was trying to build a career and a future, not just to get as much money as possible and to pass it out.

SJG

^^^^^ Living where I am is hard. Median apartment rentals now are over $3k per year. It is nuts.

If I encouraged my girl to live extravagantly and frivolously, then the bank would have quickly broken.

And her parents were then well established.

I was just a guy getting a paycheck. Though it was basically the same as what the guys next to me were getting, it in no way compensated for the high housing costs.

One did not get more money just for working faster, harder, or smarter. Nothing of the sort.

I graduated from college and got a job. I gave into social pressure. Elon Musk did not do this, he started working on his first company, from which he would finally clear $22 Meg.

But for me there was nothing like that in play. I wanted to use and further develop my skills, which I had brought from college and teenage years.

A Real Estate Agent, a Used Car Salesman, or even a Bar Tender may be able to clear more money, and they can dream of more in the future.

I was not doing anything like that, nor would i ever.

But even as it was, for each dollar I got paid, the wife wanted to ratchet up our standard of living so that we would be spending three dollars.

SJG

My girl is kinda like that. The amount of money we spend is ridiculous.

$3k per month, and up!

And I was trying to make a career go, not trying necessarily to maximize income. And I knew that she did not really care about the money or the stuff. I knew it was just a kind of neurotic emotional need. I knew that if I gave into her, she would eat me alive.

And then as this was a marriage, she had the key to my front door, the key to my life really. And she was free to engage in emotional terrorism without boundaries.

And so for one thing I learned how to pray. That is something one can do when they have no control over a situation. And I learned how to survive.

And it was like this until I finally had her removed by court order. In case somehow someone let her back in, I taped the order up on the wall with a large sign explaining that she must never be allowed back in.

But by that time there had been huge career and financial damage, and the life I had known would be gone forever.

SJG

Nicki Minaj
https://nrg.radio/hiphop/wp-content/uplo…

MERKABAH MEDITATION - FULL VERSION BY MELCHIZEDEK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyUOgHVs…

But the thing is, money may attract girls at first, but its you who makes them stay. Money won't keep them around unless you're a millionaire.

Very true. Actually money never keeps them around, keeps them loyal. And if you yield to them too much, then they will not respect you.

The infidelities of my wife were never sexual. She wanted to be able to say she was right.

So her infidelities were in the idolatrous relationship she had with money, and with the people she thus became involved with.

IceyLoco +10

SJG

WARNING - The following accounts are considered to be forum trolls and may not be trustworthy:

san_jose_guy - commonly referred to as SJG this forum member is usually mocked or ignored, his comments should NOT be taken in any way as legitimate

IceyLoco - definite troll account

SJG that's very true. With money, the most you get is them loving what you have to offer them, but not necessarily loving you.

You always have to test them.

When the woman is just your sex toy, much can be tolerated. But once she was married to me, she started using emotional terrorism to try to force things to go her way. Beyond a point it became an attack on my personhood, and the marriage became a death trap. I am lucky to still be breathing.

SJG

WARNING - The following accounts are considered to be forum trolls and may not be trustworthy:

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The marriage was a trap, it was used against me. I did not know that I needed to avoid it, or at least bring an end to it very early on.

SJG

If you start a relationship with a woman, she is going to try and pull you into her web of family and friends. And this is all the more true of you are a white guy going after a woman of a different race or ethnicity, or otherwise of a higher context culture. Religion causes this too. It is going to turn into shit.

So where do you find an alternative? Well, politically aware sex workers will not be so much like this.

SJG

Joe Jackson Night and Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WytS0TE…

TJ Street
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/9620…

http://www.adelitasbartijuanamexico.com/…

Baker Gurvitz Army - Vinyl Album High Quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cte9Bk_f…

Belly Dancing in High Heels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5arYhHO…

Belly Dancing in Liquid Dress and High Heels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDa6aYi3…

I don't think sex workers are the only alternative though. You can find someone anywhere.

There are Avante Gard or Bohemian girls other places. But if the girls is being sexually restrictive, then it is just show. If she is fucking lots of guys, that is the real test. Most of the time, the girl will be getting money. Guys would be scared shit less if she were not charging money.

SJG

Finding sex is easy. Finding something more than that, that's the hard part. Women will fuck just about anyone for attention or coz they want to trap a man.

^^^^^^ Yep!

But many men lacking much experience easily get roped into problematic situations. I did not get much experience with other women until I was dating the one I would marry, but was still seeing a few others on the side, and then doing P4P in AMPs, and then also learning by flirting and talking in our no touching strip clubs. From all of that together, plus from being married, one does come to understand.

A lot of women specifically look for a guy whom they believe that they can control. Show's this in "The Women's Room" by Marilyn French

SJG

Car keys and wallet dating takes up lots of time, and money too. But it is a big factor in driving our economic behavior, especially the car.

My organization will change all of this.

SJG

Not really. Being able to take uber anywhere is probably a bigger status symbol than owning a car. Shits changing

Never used Uber. For myself I don't think I would want to, not if i was trying to impress a girl. Private limo, but not Uber. Don't know the drivers.

Aren't cars still central to dating anymore? Am I that out of it?

Best are situations where you don't need the car.

SJG

Had a bad dream two nights ago, New Years Eve.

I was living in a new place. But somehow the ex-wife was back, and somehow she had re-installed herself in my place again. She was not interested in being any kind of a partner, just interest in trying to latch on and control. She was inspecting everything and reading every single piece of paper.

I wanted nothing to do with her. But I knew it was going to take a court action to remove her.

Then I woke up. I had to look and see, not it is not true, and it could not be like that. Took many hours before I calm down.

So if this ex is so bad, why do I think some other woman, maybe younger, would be better? Mostly they seem to have the same temperament as my ex.

Well with the ex I let thing go too far, let her really harm the course of my life. This is how I see it. Its really a problem with our society, not so much with her.

SJG

The Jeff Healey Band - Live In Belgium (Full Concert 1993)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ufNFTA…

My ex wife, yes, for her marriage was a death sentence. She did what was in her power to bring it to fruition.

With others I would just never let them get into such a position.

But as I see it, for my parents' generation and earlier, marriage is a death sentence.

SJG

TJ Street
https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7318/961…
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/9620…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5449/96322…

My ex wife was never with me. Sure, before we were married she was. But 1 second later she was not.

Her infidelities were never sexual, they wouldn't be with her. It was more like in the idolatrous relationship she developed with money.

Though it is over, this has left me very hurt and confused. Most of the young women I feel attracted to and some affinity with, are largely of the same temperament. The only solace I can find is just in saying that it was my fault, or my mistake. I never should have let the relationship go that far. I am not cut out for the conformity which is marriage. I did not know how to express myself or to find other things to ground myself in. And then with the idea that the organization I am building will provide the larger social context, that which was completely missing.

SJG
Official Parking Lot Bouncer

As Most Diverse Congress in History Takes Office, Dems Push to End Shutdown Without Funding for Wall
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/1/4/mo…

'Leaked' Video Of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Proves She... Has Friends, Can Dance
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/apos-leak…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1noBAbLa…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBeuzWWK…

Edwin Starr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZI2aLQ…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZ…

War - The World Is a Ghetto 1972 Full Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmheOZtL…

How To Tell If Someone Is Truly Smart Or Just Average
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-t…

TJ Street
https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7318/961…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5488/96200…
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/9620…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5449/96322…

Warren Haynes ­with Joe Bonamassa -- Guitar Center's King of the Blues 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX14smq2…

Beth & Joe - I'd Rather Go Blind - Live in Amsterdam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEHwO_UE…

Beth & Joe - I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know - Live in Amsterdam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQ07fVV…

Amazing Performance by Gary Clark Jr. - When My Train Pulls In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYXMDCNj…

With car keys and wallet dating the amount of sex is not enough. You want her dressing and painting up for you, and then to be spending long MSOG sessions with her. Most Civvies are not quite willing to let it get like this. They want the consumerism. If you go with this, are are giving her a negative kind of power which will poison the relationship.

Like this kind of music? The the lady in the open back long dress? ( I do )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJs_hEC…

SJG

SJG's New Headquarters, coming soon to a strip club parking lot near you.

12' x 20', and with over 9' of center stand up height.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-…

TJ Street
https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7318/961…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5488/96200…
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/9620…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5449/96322…


Nirvana-Come as you are lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqN0ZOEO…

Casino Royale 1967 Sound Track Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhmZULZX…

Mobile Kitchens, by Carlin, Fresno CA
https://kitchenstogo.com/products/mobile…
just saw one built in a huge 24,000 GVWR Walk-In Van, still okay for Class C License, huge diesel auxiliary power unit.

Mister Bond - A Jazzy Cocktail Of Ice Cold Themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVQ8lpPu…

Sexiest Ladies of Jazz - The Trilogy! - Full Album - New 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJs_hEC…

Soundgarden Half, playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHh-2T84…

Mitch Horowitz: H. P. Blavatsky, Manly P. Hall, and the Secret Teachings of all Ages ( really good )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIqlw020…

I will never again be involved with anyone like the woman I ended up marrying. Not sexualized enough.

SJG

Steve Blank, Lean Startup Model

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Blan…

https://steveblank.com/

Baker Gurvitz Army - Love Is / Memory Lane / Drum Solo / People - Live 1975 (Remastered) HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8dX1iPe…

Deep Purple - Lazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EvYI5OT…

THE MOODY BLUES - RIDE MY SEE-SAW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfy8NJtg…

THE GUESS WHO - NO TIME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meIuAUnZ…

Ep. 002 - Masonic Heroes of the Holocaust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WrmUcE…

Video podcasts
https://www.universalfreemasonry.org/en/…

I think the goal in intimate relationships is that both parties be able to grow and grow together. In the case of my marriage, we were able to function going out together for some years. But when it came to being married, know, it never really worked. It amounted to just opening a huge can of worms. So while growth did occur for both parties, we were not really growing together. What growth there was amounted more to just survival.

Now while there was no one thing, other than marriage itself, which caused these problems. One thing which did though make solving the problems impossible was simply the telephone. Ring ring ring, all day long everyday, and it was always one of her GF's. And the stuff they wanted to talk about was downright reptilian.

I will give an example. One girl was trying to drive her BF to marriage. She had a foot injury which was very slow to heal, compounded by diabetes. Her foot injury kept on getting infected.

So on that day, her foot was swollen up to the size of a watermelon. All she was concerned with was when the BF was going to take her to the doctor.

So this was repeated to me, and it really pissed me off. So I get the telephone number. I reminded my wife of the opening scenes of the movie "Dances With Wolves" and the Civil War field hospital and the guy screaming, "Don't cut anymore ... Don't cut anymore".

I found some registered nurse help line and got some info. Then I called the girl up and told her about gangrene and war amputations. I melted the wax out of her ears.

Now in so doing I knew that that could have put my wife on the outs with her, so that she would not be calling her anymore, GREAT!

These women did not have open and honest partnering relationships. No, they had manipulative, triangulation based, manipulation set ups.

My wife was still seen as their confident and accomplice.

There was no way that she and I could have had anything like a partnership, while that was going on.

SJG

Peter Levenda | Sinister Forces, Occult History, & The Nine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3f6Uqh…

Karl Haushofer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Haush…

I think women in general get off on being manipulative. One of the ways you can make a girlfriend the happiest is to play dumb and let her think she's controlling you. Then flip it around or call her out and watch her get excited by the drama, then play coy and sweet and innocent....

Except that beyond a point, the manipulation and its goal really is harmful. I can play along with a girl I am just dating, so long as I have not become emotionally dependent on her. And of course that emotional dependency is her ultimate aim.

But if I am legally shackled to her and obligated to spend the rest of my life with her, then I do have to draw lines and defend them.

Thanks Icey, very glad you are on this forum.

SJG

Daath The Doorway to Knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-IawzBx…

Steve Blank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Blan…

https://steveblank.com/

Freemasonry is inherently opposed to slavery but what slavery remains for us to fight against today?
https://www.universalfreemasonry.org/en/…

TJ Street
https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7318/961…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5488/96200…
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/9620…
http://www.adelitasbartijuanamexico.com/…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5449/96322…

The more car keys and wallet dating you do with her, the more she is going to try and run your life.

SJG

Its not that I'm against acoustic guitar, its just that I like the electric music so much. And note the 5 string bass.
Eric Clapton - Old Love (Live in Hyde Park 1997)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxVTJr14…

Badge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frPQTiry…

Layla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX5USg8_…

Joe Bonamassa - "Midnight Blues" - Beacon Theatre - Live From New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z74lr3t…
Computer Written Music, 1 hr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAfLCTRu…

https://www.aiva.ai/

Move flavors of Aiva generated music
https://soundcloud.com/user-95265362

This is such a strange thread. I guess it makes sense to have some weird name for "dating" given what TUSCL is, but I can't really get past that term.

Well, what does it really mean? Will the girls just stay in with you and fuck?

No, she demands that the Car Keys and the Wallet be demonstrated. Otherwise for her, the activity is not legitimate.

So you are either handing money to her, or you are spending money on her. The former is very practical. The latter is completely wasteful.

And yes, I take credit for the term. Mostly people have to think for a while before they understand it.

Its what you have to take when you walk out the front door, car keys and wallet.

SJG

It depends on the girl though, some are just up for a good time.Some just like you and don't need to be impressed by shit.

Ive known plenty who were happy with the beach, cheap booze and In n Out or cheap Mexican food

But it is still the car keys. The girl has got it rigged so that you can't just go and fuck, it has to be an organized consumer event.

SJG

there are always booty calls. if you fuck a girl once and she likes it she's pretty much yours at least for a while.

Indeed!

With some girls. Most even.

SJG

Women are easy to understand. I think the worst part though is women who have been hurt or don't know how to accept love. Sometimes fear of success scares them more than failure if that's what they're used to.

Well yes Icey. My wife was one who was so afraid of being hurt that she was usually on the attack. And true, she was afraid of allowing the relationship to work out.

I think about about the Booty Call you speak of. Originally when I was going out with her, I didn't want to push that. Having been hurt myself, I just wanted to let things come about on their own. So it was the car keys and the wallet, and then usually an overnighter at my place.

But then later, yes I would come to see her, almost everynight. And so yes, it was like a booty call.

The real problems came after we were married and cohabiting. Then booty call did not work. Needed to be car keys and wallet, otherwise it was like she did not accept it, too easy, not legitimate because it did not involve spending money.

SJG

Saw this woman's picture somewhere and it reminded me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFZPBSh0…

https://www.e-chords.com/chords/shocking…

But while most all the videos for this song are clearly lip sync, and they even require people playing instruments not shown on stage, I have finally found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWb8_DH8…

I'm not against acoustic guitar, its just that I like electric guitar music so much. And electric guitar can do things which acoustic guitar cannot. Needs to feel like you are there with them, not like it is just a contrived television show. Letting this finally be the psychedelia it was intended to be.

Richard Smoley: Magic and the Occult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh8ahm7B…

Ecstasy of St. Teresa
https://s3.amazonaws.com/test.classconne…

Ferdinand de Saussure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_…

Heart - All I Wanna Do Is Make Love To You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBfP63T0…

https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/hea…

Richard Feynman. Why. ( magnets )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GT2zI8…

Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells III CONCIERTO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZq5huke…

King Crimson - Live In Japan (full concert)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYE7XCVA…

Parsifal and the Fisher King -- Beginner's Mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysTBkwVV…

Conscious Love: Insights from Mystical Christianity, by Richard Smoley
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078798…

Its hard having feelings for a woman who is materialistic.... but its usually the man who enables it by not putting his foot down, afraid he'd lose her if he does. I've been there before....

My wife, she was not willing to allow the marriage to work. Yes, she was afraid of ultimately being hurt badly, but she was also guaranteeing that this had to happen.

Marriage is what converted it to hell.

As the situation became worse and worse and more and more destructive, she did then turn more and more to materialism. She knew people and got more and more involved with people who promoted this.

SJG

Crazy Mini Engines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDZKanK…

Richard Smoley - The Kabbalah: Key to Hidden Knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-R4sOrW…

Have You Seen The Saucers - live, 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrVqhs4I…

1957, Italy, police officer issuing a woman a ticket for wearing a bikini
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4642534/thumbs…

TJ Street
https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7318/961…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5488/96200…
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/9620…
http://www.adelitasbartijuanamexico.com/…
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5449/96322…

thats not that uncommon. it becomes an escape and people who are afraid of being hurt too much usually self sabotage relationships. it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

My ex wife, though older than I, I had had more relationship experience and had seen how things can go bad. She had not had this, and so she was too immature.

Remember Amistad Maupin's "Tales of the City". There was this gay character Michael Toliver. And he was always going on and on about relationships, going on like a woman. But turns out that he is the one who sabotages the relationships he gets into. Though he goes on and on, he will not let such relationship work. He does not want to get hurt, or he does not want to be tied down.

My ex was like this, always getting influenced by outside parties, not letting a partnership develop. And me, having felt that I was to fault be resisting marriage, not living up to duty. So I was being manipulated and drawn into something which turned out to be very negative.

SJG

TJ Street
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3752/96322…

Jefferson Airplane 5-7-1970 Fillmore East Complete Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrVqhs4I…

Richard Smoley - The Kabbalah: Key to Hidden Knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-R4sOrW…

Before being married, we did lots of car keys and wallet dating. The best was like plays and symphonies, and some favorite restaurants. But there was also the day time, lots of museums and other attractions.

She was a good one to do such things with. Many young women would not have gone for that stuff like she did.

Even at that time I did object to the continual car keys and wallet component, the high mileage and the costs. But it had benefits.

Would not want to do much of that now though. Bigger projects on my plate, not wanting to become involved with a woman in that way.

SJG

Sexy Girls World Map ( consider Ecuador and Argentina )
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-co…

Argentina
https://www.argentinaxp.com/wp-content/u…

Year of the Pig
http://media.gettyimages.com/vectors/hap…

TJ Street
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3752/96322…

In 1967, Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take a human life. He replied: "I don't know, I've only ever killed communists"

I needed to have sued that first Marriage Councilor. Her husband was licensed, but she was not. So the sessions were unlawful. She had zero ability to understand me. So as she was trashing me, she was making me subjected to more rage at home, for days and days. She was creating a lethal situation.

I needed to have acted, and that would mean a law suit.

This Councilor was just playing God, believing that she could solve other people's problems.

SJG

Rebels: A Journey Underground #1 - Society's Shadow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjsziYpd…

TJ Zona
http://doxyspotting.com/a-classic-pickup…

http://doxyspotting.com/?p=120146

Over all, Car Keys and Wallet Dating is worth the time and cost. At least to get things started. Better to have that as an option, than not to have it.

But with my ex-wife, once the marriage was legal, she insisted on ruling by emotional terrorism. So soon no kind of dates or anything else were possible. It was just about trying to survive, NOT APPEASING OR PLACATING HER.

Should have sued that first marriage councilor, start that law suit as a first step before having the wife served with divorce papers.

But I did not want to fail at marriage. In large measure I still blamed my own short comings for the problems.

SJG

Peter Frampton - While My Guitar Gently Weeps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KasR2lVv…

Car keys and wallet dating, if you do too much of it, it does become a problem in how it shapes the relationship. But for my ex-wife and I the problems ran far deeper than just what car keys and wallet dating could do. She was never a partner. She was seeing one facet of me, that which came about as the result of serious marginalization. But eventually such has to be redressed. She could not understand this at all.

SJG

The End of Work and the Case for Universal Basic Income
Andy Stern, former President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), author of Raising the Floor: How a Universal Basic Income Can Renew Our Economy and Rebuild the American Dream, and Senior Fellow at Columbia University's Center for Business, Law, and Public Policy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKzNBXFn…

How Ayn Rand Became a Hero to Right Wing Nerds -- Thom Hartmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY1ik8bu…

Thom Hartmann: Atlas Shrugged - bizarre philosophy at work -- Thom Hartmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHnnnmuY…

Alec Baldwin: Trump's 'SNL' Attack May Be 'A Threat To My Safety'
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/alec-bald…

Kim Kardashian
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kim-…

Thierry Mugler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Mu…
https://www.muglerusa.com/
http://www.livingly.com/The+Most+Beautif…

Intimidation, Pressure and Humiliation: Inside Trump’s Two-Year War on the Investigations Encircling Him -- New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/po…

Venus, Shocking Blue, actually live, with only what you see on stage, and not hamming for the camera, quite good, a coffee house grade performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWb8_DH8…

Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…

JEFF BECK -Brush With the Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlqyLqDt…

Joe Bonamassa - I'll Play The Blues For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Jzcu5S…

Joe Bonamassa - "Breaking Up Somebody's Home"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxaVOeu…

I think the key is to be with a girl who doesn't care what the two of you do, as long as you're together.

^^^^ True, but she was never willing to let us enjoy the home life. It had to be the car keys and the wallet in order to create escapism, and to avoid dealing with real issues.

SJG

Those are ones to avoid. They're never satisfied. Their expectations grow and become more unreasonable coz it takes more to get them to escape, over time.

She was not sexually experienced enough, too bound to conservative thinking.

In many ways she was like a child to me.

But eventually I had to get her out.

Still torn up about this.

SJG

Women like that go from father to husband, they expect to be taken care of

^^^^ Yes, I always felt that she was acting like a child, specifically a 2 year old.

She was not a partner, and she did not understand that her actions had effects.

SJG

A most impressive article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/po…

Ending the Punishment of Poverty: Supreme Court Rules Against High Fines & Civil Asset Forfeiture
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/2/21/e…

Frances Fox Piven, Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate Center, CUNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQBgRPtL…

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IHG…

NOLO, Bourbon Street
http://doxyspotting.com/?p=131772

AZTECA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS9WVbQT…

Peter Green - In The Skies ( Full Album ) 1979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Llz6n8…

I love the smell of napalm in the morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALi78xSa…

The ex-wife, she expected to always be indulged and placated. She wanted to bring me down to her level. I was not going to do that, because I knew it was a bottomless pit.

SJG

Oakland CA
http://doxyspotting.com/?p=118715

In Poland, this is what their Lot Lizards look like
http://doxyspotting.com/lot-lizards-pola…

Italy, Lot Lizards
http://doxyspotting.com/lot-lizards/

My ex, she was never going to let us be happy. She had to have a means of control. As this was not there, she sought to install it.

She was trying to gain power. Sex was secondary to that.

SJG

Zucked
http://activate.metroactive.com/2019/02/…

Zucked: Waking Up to the Facebook Catastrophe
https://www.amazon.com/Zucked-Waking-Up-…

"worldwide apparatus of persuasive technology designed to keep users engaged by appealing to lizard brain emotions and modifying their behavior, all while harvesting personal data and metadata to sell to advertisers"

Broken Book
http://www.metroactive.com/features/Zuck…

Hidden Camera inside a Freemason Lodge ???? Looks good to me! ( stripper )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks_D2drI…

Miles Davis, Love for Sale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i6wNgg5…

John Coltrane My Favorite Things (1961)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHVarQbN…

New York Jazz Lounge - Bar Jazz Classics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sI_Ps7J…

Do strippers usually makeout
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…

I didn't know how to adequately protect myself, and my ex was never going to be a partner. To this last, I still do not know why, but she just seemed unable to communicate beneath a surface level. Hadn't seemed like this before we were married. After, she just got survivalist.

SJG

Kenneth Grant & Typhonian References
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex33k5hv…

Bernie Sanders Kicks Off 2020 Run in Brooklyn, New York

Sen. Rand Paul Likely to Oppose Nat’l Emergency in Decisive Vote

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/3/4/he…

Metallica - Ain't My Bitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNXmKiEq…

Master of Puppets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7blkui3…

Metallica - Bleeding Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftV_XepI…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftV_XepI…

Thin Lizzy Full Concert U K 1983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq9qy6TD…

Thin Lizzy - Rosalie - Live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7p4eLKo…

My ex, she was never willing to accept that her words and actions caused results, both good or bad. She preferred to think of herself as a child, of about age 2.

So as such, it was impossible to ever consider her as a partner, in anything.

But partnership would have been the only thing which would have made things work, after the disaster of twice trying marriage counseling.

SJG

I let the ex go too far. I never should have let it go to marriage. I never should have become so involved with her that extricating her would be difficult, and that she was able to wrap me around her fingers and make me venture further and further into deeper entanglements.

Fact is, I got myself caught in a Roach Motel.

http://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/615x200/cme/c…

That's what marriage is after all, a Roach Motel.

Life had been hard, I am not someone who has any interest in being part of the herd. But there are still ways in which conservative forces can be applied at a near lethal level. And marriage is one of them.

I need to go further, much further, in finding my own path, setting up my own institutions, and finding a variety of social supports.

SJG

If you have a real person to person partnership, then a marriage can be made to work. Its not that marriage is good, its simply because two people have been able to make a partnership. That partnership is working, despite the marriage.

But if that partnership should ever fail, then the marriage immediately turns into a death trap. It does not protect you or your partner from anything, it exposes each of you to all manner of social norms and pressures. And as you are now shackled together, the probability of drowning is radically enhanced.

Marriage counselors will probably just make it worse. But for myself I could not have terminated the marriage with a clear conscience unless I had tried marriage counseling.

SJG

Sister is frightened of her own people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OkrYf4q…

TJ Street
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5488/9620…
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7290/96201…
http://www.adelitasbartijuanamexico.com/…

Pleaser 9" and 10"
https://www.pleaserusa.com/regular.asp?d…

We're Still Right, They're Still Wrong
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/tabs.…

The ex, she was just not able to be a partner.

And I was not developed enough myself in order to pull out of a trap.

SJG

That partnership between me and my ex, it just never happened, no matter how long I held out the olive branch for. Still do not understand it, except to say that I just had to keep moving further myself, and I did have to disconnect from her. At least for now, that is the best explanation I can give.

SJG

Pablo Sender - The Secret Doctrine: Part 1 - How to Study The Secret Doctrine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2hdnG6…

Social Entrepreneurship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ent…

Robert A. Caro on the means and ends of power
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019…

The Irrationality of Alcoholics Anonymous
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-i…

Origins of the Perennial Philosophy School of Thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_CNg4dp…

Ananda Coomaraswamy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananda_Coo…

Pretend You Have A Cold, Pelosi to Biden
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/p…

Maybe Car Keys and Wallet dating is not always that bad. But the relationship I had with the ex, it was horrid.

SJG

Joe Golem: Occult Detective Volume 2--The Outer Dark

https://www.amazon.com/Joe-Golem-Occult-…

Brian Eno ( quite good )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggLTPyRX…

Is it possible to have computers generate such music on their own, and even in real time?

Pablo Sender - The Secret Doctrine: Part 1 - How to Study The Secret Doctrine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2hdnG6…

I had a relationship with the ex, prior to marriage. I thought she was a partner, but no she was not.

SJG

Irish Republican Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knltGsRc…

^^^^ Still trying to figure that out.

But at this point I would just say that I was not developed enough, not able to actualize what I really wanted in life, so I was a target for manipulation.

Thanks for asking.

SJG

John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers with Gary Moore - So Many Roads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwc7ZEYf…

My ex has her limitations, but so do each of us. I don't see her as an especially bad person.

But still, if I wanted to avoid having to walk thru the first of hell, I needed to cut her off at some point. Where was that point? At the very start? When marriage was being made hard to avoid? After the marriage was clearly not working?

Hard to say.

Now the organization I am building will play a future role. Women will get handed off to groups of women and men and they will get inducted.

But this alone does not at once solve everything. Where should the cut off point have been? Sure, try to steer it a better direction. I did try, but to no avail, or at least not so that it really ever worked.

I need to learn from past experiences. Not everyone does this either.

SJG

If I had wanted to avoid serious harm, I would have had to have dumped the ex much sooner than I did. And I don't see her as a bad person either.

But when should I have dumped her?

SJG

At core, the ex was unable to appreciate me as the person I am. She's just far more limited.

I could not see this, because I was allowing myself to be manipulated.

SJG

I was letting myself be used, in exchange for approval, from the ex, but before we were married, before that legalized servitude was imposed.

SJG

Battle of Algiers Guerrilla Warfare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-Ilve1…

April Wine - I Like to Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlcY_enz…

'This is personal for me': Hillary Clinton urges caution on Trump impeachment
https://news.yahoo.com/apos-personal-apo…

Frantz Fanon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ThoGtS-…

Sammy Hagar Standing Hampton - full album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZqC1z87…

Montrose - Rock the Nation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxsSw-bp…

I was too inexperienced and not able to stand up for myself and to chart my own direction.

SJG

Sammy Hagar, like this song's opening and the album cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZqC1z87…

Better if you can initiate FS with a girl, without having to do Car Keys and Wallet Dating. More often than not, this will mean P4P.

SJG

Better to get into instant sex type f2f first meetings.

SJG

The Police - Roxanne (Official Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T1c7Gkz…

2008 live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lQlajFq…

The Police Live In New York Full Concert 2018 HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZTcL8k…

If you start off with P4P its hard to switch back to a civilian type of relationship....

Not interested in saving money. Rather, want it to be a bedroom relationship, not a conspicuous consumption relationship. Handing money too her, okay. Spending money on her, wasteful of time and money.

SJG

Used to be car keys and wallet, then the bedroom.

Now I want it to be bedroom first, then various forms of entertaining as it is all based on MSOG.

SJG

Girls who need a car keys and wallet date before fucking are slow motion girls. Better to go for P4P instant sex situations.

SJG

Not really, when you spend money on her you build memories, experiences, you let her have things that remind her of you. That builds a bond.

But mostly you are just showing that you are willing to spend time and money on her when fucking is not yet to be.

While it may make a good impression, it still amount to handing her the idea that the relationship is more about complying with social expectations, than it is about fucking.

SJG

The concept of a relationship is a social expectation. But the type of relationship you have is up to you. Anything worth while is about more than fucking, sex will only take you so far.

^^^^^ True, but women will usually want a different sort of relationship than what i want.

This is part of why I am building my own organization.

SJG

Oh okay. I really like conventional relationships.

^^^^^ I understand. Its just that by conventional relationships you get yourself pulled into a whole web of highly compromising social relations.

SJG

Led Zeppelin II - (Full ReMastered )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bcIjILq…

Sometimes, I think that's why a lot of them fail. Those social relations cause undue pressure...a person can only take so much.

I like relationships based on fucking as well though. And you're right about a woman needing to find some value in a man for her to want to fuck him....whether its social clout, finances, whatever.

The free love thing would be ideal.

Avoiding car keys and wallet dating, just selecting a girl you want and getting her dressed and painted up just as you saw her, that is the best. Usually it means immediate P4P. But you only get it like that with a given girl, once.

SJG

Michelle Alexander on The New Jim Crow, at Union Theological Seminary ( she wrote a very important book )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T79I1PLT…

Paul Tillich Symposium: John Caputo Lecture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cog1v44W…

Beyond that one time, need some kind of a gimmick, like photo modelling sessions, or occult rituals. My organization will facilitate both of these.

But always best if when you first see her, dressed and painted up the way you want, and instant sex.

SJG

Need to have more things which are like swingers clubs, onsite sex, but for single people instead of married Republicans.

SJG

Car keys and wallet dating gives the woman power, a kind of power which is malicious. It takes up time and money, and the money is wasteful. Giving her money is not wasteful, but spending money on her mostly is. And because you are doing this you are setting the example that you are obliged to comply with normative social expectations.

SJG

ESS JAY GEE

I think spending money on a woman is a lot better than spending it for a woman

Spending it on her does not go into her pocket, in the dating scene it goes to things that are wasteful, just for conspicuous display.

SJG

Spending money on her js about doing things you enjoy together. Buying her things that will remind her of the time you spent together. It's just traditional courtship. Things like paying her bills supporting her or living together come after you have a real bond and plan for the future together.

If you're supporting her without the right commitment you're just renting her. Odds are it's only contingent on the money.

Yes, I am not saying to totally eliminate it, just to try and minimize it, as allowing it free reign promotes subservience to a consumer consumption life.

Supporting her, well it depends on the situation. In some countries women only have two profession options. The US is getting more like this.

SJG

The US is no longer a first world nation. But most men can't afford to support a woman or family on their own

Well even today, there are not that many women who have creative professional careers that can support them as the wish. Not really that many men have that either.

So most women will benefit from someone who cares about them giving them money, or income. You might hire her for some business venture of yours.

It is not sole exclusive keeping, but it is still mistress support.

I'm just saying that this is more practical than spending money on her for things which are totally unnecessary and further take up you time and hers.

SJG

"...describes a woman after copulation with Satan as 'very proud and satisfied'."
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7742…