I have some time on my hands and more money to spend since my main bitch is visiting family for a while. Im going to try what you guys do but Im getting the bitch in the end. I have a hoe in mind. I'll keep a journal of what I do on this thread.
Im going to be honest, if I fail I fail. We'll see.
Thanks EchoPizza, I want to try it. I think its possible but difficult. It depends on how seasoned the hoe is. Getting in her feelings and making her act on them instead of her hoe instincts won't be easy.
More seriously though, every story of a PL here getting a stripper FWB, started out a customer of the stripper. Every FWB I've made, not that there were many, she was my ATF prior.
The whole focus on "dating and managing" strippers is somewhat retarded though. Exactly how many guys here are dumb or naive enough to want to do so?
Ur main bitch outta town so u wanna mess with others .idgaf if it is for joke or not..cheating is cheating unless main bitch or main man knows what happened .
But I don't think it should even take 2 weeks. 4 days of pumping loads into her should be plenty.
In my future travels, in every town I go to, US and Mexico, this is exactly what I will be doing.
Mostly from Strip Clubs, but some also from AMPs, and from Bars and from the Sidewalk. Its any place where it starts with a f2f meeting instead of by calling an ad.
And of course our makeout sessions will start at the very earliest opportunity. That's how I get her opened up, but it's also just how I show her that I like her and that it's not just all talk.
Those first days will be like the honeymoon, and getting her in that first lunar cycle. After that, she gets introduced to the people of my organization, gently leading her towards full membership. And then until she goes for that full membership, she still gets regular TLNs and photo modelling sessions, with mistress maintainence money. When she goes for full membership, she won't be getting money anymore, but she will actually be getting a much better long term deal.
Thanks to PhatBoy99, clearly one of our very few expert womanizers, for laying out the most basic idea of them all.
This one here, I think London, Kelly-Ann Maddox, she goes with the Chaos Magick leaders, Peter J. Carroll, Ray Sherwin, Phil Hine, and Austin Osman Spare. She talks about all of these in some of her hundred plus videos.
Remember, the best ones were sluts, before they were hoes. And with a hoe, thought they are street wise and street tough, things happen really fast.
It will have reached a maximum level before 4 days have elapsed. After that, need to pull back.
But see for me, that would be when I let my people take over, letting her meet a team of women from my organization. She meets the women first, because as a sex worker, she meets lots and lots of men, and she plays them. But meeting the women first will be what convinces her.
Now if someone were a pimp, that would be different. She would be ready for you to put her to work. Its all explained in the movie Whore 2.
why not just post all the parts of whatever story you've written all at once, so we can binge on it, netflix style? We already know the hero is going to be getting the girl, trick turned pimp, stripper turned ho
I’m interested how the op will be able to do this. He’s naturally not a trick, so how will he be able to become one? It’s not like a Halloween costume. It requires losing all hope, all sense of getting some (without paying), it’s not for everyone!
Actually, I thought of a better ending to this fictional story! Our her is JUST ABOUT to transition from trick to pimp, the stripper is developing feelings and wanting to be his bitch, but then!!!
A dashing elderly man in a back brace and headgear swoops in to steals her away! To be his FWB (not P4P)
@Subraman I have an even better story ending and it will be approved by the base
We riff on your ending with the elderly gentleman but in my version he is about 6’4” somewhat portly i dunno maybe 290 lbs. he has an orange complexion and steely orange hair, he swoops down and picks up the fire and has ICE detain fat head on suspicion that he is an MS 13 member and he rides off in his motorcade bringing the stripper and the President to the White House to replace Melanie who has divorced him at this point in time da end. ;)))
So I went to the club last night. It didn't really go too well. She thought I was trying to run pimp game on her instead of trying to pick her up as a trick.
When she asked for a tip I told her I don't tip, I pay bills. Told her she's the kind of girl who deserves to be spoiled and offered to take her shopping if she lets me see her try shit on, and take it all off. She said she doesn't know but I should come back tonight coz she needs to know be better to decide. I spent $400 on her and $120 on drinks. Got her wasted. Pretty high mileage dances and she gave me hickeys.
Okay, my bet for the plot: there will be a few days of ups and downs, maybe a little heavier on the downs. Just as we start to worry that this experiment is going bad, he'll hook one, with lines somehow even MORE cringey than "I don't tip, I pay bills"... lines like that will help him become her favorite trick, and then, *bam* he makes the transition during the last couple of days.
Prediction #2: Cashman will believe every word :) :) (ha ha! Just giving you some shit cashmeng!)
@Cashman, I want her to treat me like a potential ATM and I want to then get out of that mode. That's the point of my experiment. I'm going back to see her tonight and see if I can get her to accept taking her shopping or cash in exchange for sex. Then I want to seduce her.
But spending money on its own doesn't make you a trick. You have to spend some when you first meet her, she is there to work. Even when I've picked them up at the club, I offer to pay the house fee and tip outs. But I wait for her to go do it, then stop her and offer, so its not a condition of taking her out of the club. You want to show them you're not broke.
The hoe I'm going for thinks I'm trying to mack on her but that she's really smart and is playing me instead. I'm going with it.
@Subraman, You need to expand your horizons and realize not everyone is from your little bubble. There are different people out there with very different life experiences. The difference between you and me is that I accept that fact where as you try to belittle me and hate on me instead of having any kind of real dialog. If you're this fucked up, I can't see how any hoe can actually like you.
As usual the sheer low fidelity of the character story that is Maricon702, I'm convinced NiceSpice must be behind it...
Anyway. Strippers to prostitute ain't a hard stretch upon the right conditions.
1) She has a habit. Girls hardly ever turn trick for cash unless they're paying to support a habit. It's gonna be coke at a minimum harder stuff usually.
2) She's a single mom looking for love. In this case she won't be tricked out unless she believes you have a future. She'll demand an engagement ring. Then she'll let herself be tricked out in the name of supporting her family (martyr syndrome)
3) In all conditions this girls sense of self and familial support has to be extremely broken.
@Gaca, I know she's a hoe, I want the hoe to catch feelings or at least turn her out. But I want to do it starting out as a trick paying to fuck her. I want to see how that goes, if its possible. Ive never done that.
"@Subraman, You need to expand your horizons and realize not everyone is from your little bubble. There are different people out there with very different life experiences. The difference between you and me is that I accept that fact where as you try to belittle me and hate on me instead of having any kind of real dialog. If you're this fucked up, I can't see how any hoe can actually like you."
And this is where being in your little bubble hurts you...
Subra is a seemingly successful, straight laced middle class American male. He has something special YOU CAN'T give them.
Hoes know they're are living fucked up lives and are forever wearing a Scarlett Letter (look it up you illiterate bastard) Subraman can offer them something they never thought possible for themselves and that is.... "Legitimacy", Redemption, a real chance back into acceptable society. And for hoes, that's all they're really looking for.
Plus I can offer them being with an actual person, instead of a troll persona some tuscl guy who once read an article on how pimps act, just created a little while ago... and who keeps slipping back into "regular tuscl guy" mode when he forgets to call people tricks and hoes. There's that :)
There's not a different way to get a hoe or anyone else. Women are women. If you like each other and you're spending money on her she knows the money will still be there in a relationship or whatever.
Ok. I get it. I’m interested to hear how it went when you saw her next. This is an interesting idea. It’s something I always expected to be very difficult to change.
Its easier to just try to pick them up.I chose a girl who is exactly my type and someone I know I could get in a normal situation. The P4P part is making it harder. It puts her in a different mindset and more defensive. People get comfortable by defining their relationships and labeling people. Being the guy offering to pay her for sex has a whole different set of shit to go along with it than just being the guy trying to fill a void in her life and pick her up coz he likes her or feeds her ego.
She said she'll fuck me if I take her shopping, but its completely different from the reaction you get when you tell a girl you want to spoil her and there's not that condition there. Its interesting. Its definitely an experience but I don't like it. Its like asking to be tortured.
She gave me a number and surprisingly texted me back right away and after her shift too. Which is a good sign, means she's hooked on my offer and needs me more than I need her.
-->"Ok. I get it. I’m interested to hear how it went when you saw her next. This is an interesting idea. It’s something I always expected to be very difficult to change."
Cash, pretty much every story of dating or FWB'ing a stripper in tuscl (minus fictional stories by pretend pimps), the relationship started as stripper/customer or ATF/regular. My small number of FWBs all went that way. Might not happen often, but pretty much the only stories (from credible posters) we've seen here.
Sounds great c’mon guys best approach ever for a strip club i can hear it now, should go big
“ hey baby im no trick, give me a lap dance and I’ll take you shopping “
Lololololololololol
Or
“Hey doll face let’s boow this joint, give me a blowjob and I’ll cover your tipout and house fees”
Lolololololololololol
What a masterful PUA fat head is
My line
Hey baby look at that 4’6” wanna be gangsta, that one with those goofy and and Warner bros tats
Hey fat boi your tag line should “ that’s all folks “
You crack me up balls bunny style.
The only dancers Ive seen end up with tricks are ones who were addicts or in desperate need of cash, a place to stay, whatever.
I also oppose hoeing in the club. You won't make much, the caliber of men with $$$ won't be there. A hoe should always know her worth.
That said, dancers and hoes are like any other women. Treat them the same way you would anyone you like. If she likes you back and is attracted to you, she'll give you a chance.
I gave up. Being a trick is too hard. It really fucked with my head. She thought she was so smooth and that her game was so tight she really thought she played me and I was just a stupid trick.
Meanwhile I was taking mental notes on everything and predicted the hoe's every next move.
It was the most empty experience I ever had with a bitch.
I don't feel bad about the money. It comes and goes and I can always make it back. I want to think of it as a charity move for a fucked up hoe.
She's a beautiful girl, I'll give her that and she definitely got off on spending my money. I could see it in her eyes. She was trying to make her fake affection appear real by focusing on something she really likes about me, so it was all thinly veiled money hunger. She could have easily replaced me with my money and her statements would have been sincere.
The sex was different. I'm used to fucking my main bitch and side bitches, and I'm used to the emotional connections and comfort we have with each other. This hoe seemed dead on the inside. What little I brought out in her, she would quickly go back to hoe mode. She's the type of bitch I'd normally pick up but the trick hoe relationship colored our interaction.
So I just said fuck it and had the roughest sex I could with her just to get off. I'm talking coke on her ass and pussy rough. Face fucking.... Afterwards she was desperate for positive feed back, asking how she was how much I liked it. I didn't tell her. Im not giving her that satisfaction.
She's been blowing up my phone since. Telling me she misses me and when I want to take her out again. I haven't replied.
She has a boyfriend pimp, that's why I'd rather take her shopping and keep the receipts rather than give her cash.
I could have gotten the same shit for free if the interaction was different. I became more aware of bitches looking and flirting after that though. I notice better looking ones staring at he market and shit, on the street. Couldn't justify spending so much for sex. I can't justify it being worth it to play this game with her either.
TRANSLATION: "I gave up. I'm a troll with the attention span of a moth at a light bulb. There's no way that I can maintain and track a consistent narrative over two weeks without getting caught up in one bullshit contradiction or another."
I dunno, I'm actually kinda shocked at this turn of events. I was sure the narrative was going to make him the hero, trick-to-pimp fairy tale! I was looking forward to the usual storybook happy ending -- you know, when the pimp smacks up the ho
This entire thread, and exercise, could have been avoided by simply realizing the fundamental reality of relationships. There are two things that I can say about that, which were taught to me:
1. ALL relationships are founded upon three things—honesty, trust, and respect. Because PhatBoy was being manipulative, he was manipulated.
2. You can never know what another person is thinking without asking. Period. End of story. If you try to behave according to an idea about the content of another person’s thoughts, you go down the rabbit hole of self delusion.
I wasn't manipulated, its what I wanted. I went along with it willingly to experience it. I think I could have been successful but at what cost? Everything about her reminded me how special my main bitch is to me. Sometimes you have to experience what you don't want to fully know and appreciate what you do want. Then there was just the feeling of how pathetic the experience was. It all just made me think. And I know had I run game on her she would have been easy. I just hated this dynamic.
Yes they did. There's no way a story with the word "trick" in it is fictional. The word "trick" means the author is street and automatically a real person.
Because in your eyes, the only believable outcome is the one that makes you feel good. Had I come on here saying how much I love paying hookers and how great the sex is and how great it is to be a trick, you wouldn't see it as trollish. But since I can't be about that life you're hating.
I'm not "hating" because you're living a different life. I'm pointing out that you're not actually a person, you're the troll persona of a tuscl'er doing a cringeworthy job at pretending to be a pimp. I realize a few of our most gullible tusclers have bought in, but reminders to the lurkers are worth it. It would probably be fun to have an actual pimp here, at least for a little while
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HaHaHaHaHa ROFLMAO
More seriously though, every story of a PL here getting a stripper FWB, started out a customer of the stripper. Every FWB I've made, not that there were many, she was my ATF prior.
The whole focus on "dating and managing" strippers is somewhat retarded though. Exactly how many guys here are dumb or naive enough to want to do so?
Phatboy99 - definite troll account
I don't respect U anymore
Of course! What else is life for?
But I don't think it should even take 2 weeks. 4 days of pumping loads into her should be plenty.
In my future travels, in every town I go to, US and Mexico, this is exactly what I will be doing.
Mostly from Strip Clubs, but some also from AMPs, and from Bars and from the Sidewalk. Its any place where it starts with a f2f meeting instead of by calling an ad.
And of course our makeout sessions will start at the very earliest opportunity. That's how I get her opened up, but it's also just how I show her that I like her and that it's not just all talk.
Those first days will be like the honeymoon, and getting her in that first lunar cycle. After that, she gets introduced to the people of my organization, gently leading her towards full membership. And then until she goes for that full membership, she still gets regular TLNs and photo modelling sessions, with mistress maintainence money. When she goes for full membership, she won't be getting money anymore, but she will actually be getting a much better long term deal.
Thanks to PhatBoy99, clearly one of our very few expert womanizers, for laying out the most basic idea of them all.
SJG
Reply to Nicole:
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…
This one here, I think London, Kelly-Ann Maddox, she goes with the Chaos Magick leaders, Peter J. Carroll, Ray Sherwin, Phil Hine, and Austin Osman Spare. She talks about all of these in some of her hundred plus videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOw7brwD…
TJ Street
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x9DUqhAne44/hqdef…
Elliot Rodger Manifesto 2014, 11 hours, am listening through this, and I see it differently now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60WCF3WB…
Baker Gurvitz Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GXbGPN…
SJG, I think you're the only one on here who gets these women's mindset.
watch this, it is really good and you will learn a lot:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111706/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XST_5D0V…
SJG
It will have reached a maximum level before 4 days have elapsed. After that, need to pull back.
But see for me, that would be when I let my people take over, letting her meet a team of women from my organization. She meets the women first, because as a sex worker, she meets lots and lots of men, and she plays them. But meeting the women first will be what convinces her.
Now if someone were a pimp, that would be different. She would be ready for you to put her to work. Its all explained in the movie Whore 2.
SJG
txtittyfag so naive, my grandma gets allowances from me.
I beseech your highness, do not marry me to a whore. ( on the last page, Lucio )
http://shakespeare.mit.edu/measure/full.…
SJG
I was raised on the streets bitch and all the better for it
A dashing elderly man in a back brace and headgear swoops in to steals her away! To be his FWB (not P4P)
We riff on your ending with the elderly gentleman but in my version he is about 6’4” somewhat portly i dunno maybe 290 lbs. he has an orange complexion and steely orange hair, he swoops down and picks up the fire and has ICE detain fat head on suspicion that he is an MS 13 member and he rides off in his motorcade bringing the stripper and the President to the White House to replace Melanie who has divorced him at this point in time da end. ;)))
When she asked for a tip I told her I don't tip, I pay bills. Told her she's the kind of girl who deserves to be spoiled and offered to take her shopping if she lets me see her try shit on, and take it all off. She said she doesn't know but I should come back tonight coz she needs to know be better to decide. I spent $400 on her and $120 on drinks. Got her wasted. Pretty high mileage dances and she gave me hickeys.
It worked - but she thinks you are an atm now, and ATMs aren’t boyfriends.
Probably need to hit a different club next time.
Prediction #2: Cashman will believe every word :) :) (ha ha! Just giving you some shit cashmeng!)
But spending money on its own doesn't make you a trick. You have to spend some when you first meet her, she is there to work. Even when I've picked them up at the club, I offer to pay the house fee and tip outs. But I wait for her to go do it, then stop her and offer, so its not a condition of taking her out of the club. You want to show them you're not broke.
The hoe I'm going for thinks I'm trying to mack on her but that she's really smart and is playing me instead. I'm going with it.
As usual the sheer low fidelity of the character story that is Maricon702, I'm convinced NiceSpice must be behind it...
Anyway. Strippers to prostitute ain't a hard stretch upon the right conditions.
1) She has a habit. Girls hardly ever turn trick for cash unless they're paying to support a habit. It's gonna be coke at a minimum harder stuff usually.
2) She's a single mom looking for love. In this case she won't be tricked out unless she believes you have a future. She'll demand an engagement ring. Then she'll let herself be tricked out in the name of supporting her family (martyr syndrome)
3) In all conditions this girls sense of self and familial support has to be extremely broken.
Hoes are born not made. Good luck
And this is where being in your little bubble hurts you...
Subra is a seemingly successful, straight laced middle class American male. He has something special YOU CAN'T give them.
Hoes know they're are living fucked up lives and are forever wearing a Scarlett Letter (look it up you illiterate bastard) Subraman can offer them something they never thought possible for themselves and that is.... "Legitimacy", Redemption, a real chance back into acceptable society. And for hoes, that's all they're really looking for.
Who is Maricon702?
Btw, how’s the TUSCL retiring going?
She said she'll fuck me if I take her shopping, but its completely different from the reaction you get when you tell a girl you want to spoil her and there's not that condition there. Its interesting. Its definitely an experience but I don't like it. Its like asking to be tortured.
She gave me a number and surprisingly texted me back right away and after her shift too. Which is a good sign, means she's hooked on my offer and needs me more than I need her.
Cash, pretty much every story of dating or FWB'ing a stripper in tuscl (minus fictional stories by pretend pimps), the relationship started as stripper/customer or ATF/regular. My small number of FWBs all went that way. Might not happen often, but pretty much the only stories (from credible posters) we've seen here.
“ hey baby im no trick, give me a lap dance and I’ll take you shopping “
Lololololololololol
Or
“Hey doll face let’s boow this joint, give me a blowjob and I’ll cover your tipout and house fees”
Lolololololololololol
What a masterful PUA fat head is
My line
Hey baby look at that 4’6” wanna be gangsta, that one with those goofy and and Warner bros tats
Hey fat boi your tag line should “ that’s all folks “
You crack me up balls bunny style.
I also oppose hoeing in the club. You won't make much, the caliber of men with $$$ won't be there. A hoe should always know her worth.
That said, dancers and hoes are like any other women. Treat them the same way you would anyone you like. If she likes you back and is attracted to you, she'll give you a chance.
Meanwhile I was taking mental notes on everything and predicted the hoe's every next move.
It was the most empty experience I ever had with a bitch.
I don't feel bad about the money. It comes and goes and I can always make it back. I want to think of it as a charity move for a fucked up hoe.
She's a beautiful girl, I'll give her that and she definitely got off on spending my money. I could see it in her eyes. She was trying to make her fake affection appear real by focusing on something she really likes about me, so it was all thinly veiled money hunger. She could have easily replaced me with my money and her statements would have been sincere.
The sex was different. I'm used to fucking my main bitch and side bitches, and I'm used to the emotional connections and comfort we have with each other. This hoe seemed dead on the inside. What little I brought out in her, she would quickly go back to hoe mode. She's the type of bitch I'd normally pick up but the trick hoe relationship colored our interaction.
So I just said fuck it and had the roughest sex I could with her just to get off. I'm talking coke on her ass and pussy rough. Face fucking.... Afterwards she was desperate for positive feed back, asking how she was how much I liked it. I didn't tell her. Im not giving her that satisfaction.
She's been blowing up my phone since. Telling me she misses me and when I want to take her out again. I haven't replied.
She has a boyfriend pimp, that's why I'd rather take her shopping and keep the receipts rather than give her cash.
I could have gotten the same shit for free if the interaction was different. I became more aware of bitches looking and flirting after that though. I notice better looking ones staring at he market and shit, on the street. Couldn't justify spending so much for sex. I can't justify it being worth it to play this game with her either.
Phatboy99 - definite troll account
TRANSLATION: "I gave up. I'm a troll with the attention span of a moth at a light bulb. There's no way that I can maintain and track a consistent narrative over two weeks without getting caught up in one bullshit contradiction or another."
The cost of an internet connection and whatever the going rate is on writing up horseshit.
This entire thread, and exercise, could have been avoided by simply realizing the fundamental reality of relationships. There are two things that I can say about that, which were taught to me:
1. ALL relationships are founded upon three things—honesty, trust, and respect. Because PhatBoy was being manipulative, he was manipulated.
2. You can never know what another person is thinking without asking. Period. End of story. If you try to behave according to an idea about the content of another person’s thoughts, you go down the rabbit hole of self delusion.
I wasn't manipulated, its what I wanted. I went along with it willingly to experience it. I think I could have been successful but at what cost? Everything about her reminded me how special my main bitch is to me. Sometimes you have to experience what you don't want to fully know and appreciate what you do want. Then there was just the feeling of how pathetic the experience was. It all just made me think. And I know had I run game on her she would have been easy. I just hated this dynamic.
You got laid and had rough sex with her. Good on you!
Phatboy99 - definite troll account
hoes are a game, gotta learn to play them like a goddamn fiddle. don't hate the playa hate the game.