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He's right - she's right - or there's blame on both sides ?

Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Thursday, August 30, 2018 12:47 PM
From a recent review of King Henry VIII near Detroit: "... Stopped by around 8:30 on a Monday to check out the talent. The club is okay, a little run down and definitely in need of a facelift. Walked in from the parking lot and paid the cover. Then took up perch at a tall table by the entrance and by one of the two secondary stages. Counted 10 to 15 dancers of many shapes and sizes, after one of the attractive white dancers finished at a stage right infront of me she sat down and we started chatting. Just broke up with bf... blah... blah... blah... He stole money from me... blah... blah... blah... Your're cute blah... blah... blah... Eventually she asked me if I wanted a dance, I said sure. We get back and says that she has 2 options Nude for 30 a song or top less for 10. Found this interesting considering it was $10 dance night. I said let's go nude. She did some grinding and we kept talking/flirting at some point I realized that we were many songs and she hadn't asked me if I want to keep going ofer the first song, the way every other stripper I have ever gotten a dance from has done. I didn't think much of it and figured she was enjoying the company. At some point she asked if I wanted to take a break. Something in her tone indicated that she thought she was going to charge me for all of these. We had been flirting pretty heavily this wh I'll le time and had even exchanged phone numbers. (Or at least she had given me 7 digits and an area code.) Only grinding non of the traditional action that occurs at this club. I stood up and she admitted that she had not kept count, she estimated that I owed her $250.00 to $300.00 (to which I verbally and facially said no way) and we should ask the guy at the front of the VIP. Not wanting to be out numbered in what was now a negotiation, I suggested she and I work things out. She insisted on using the bouncer. This is when I knew I wasn't going to be happy. We get out the bouncer station and he said the he stopped counting songs as well and figures we were back there 35 to 45 minutes. I said that's nice but since nobody had a clean count I'm not just going to fork out cash because of what people "think" and I've never experienced an dancer not keep a count. They call over some other manager. Through all this I stay super calm but firm making sure never to insult the dancer or bouncer. She and I proceeded back to a table where I pull $120 out of my pocket and had it to her. She takes is but still feels I owe her at least $150 more. At some point she asks me if I know what she is worth an hour, I bite my tongue thinking that without a college education and with no skill set outside of her looks she should be giving me a refund at the point. She then walks off and says her other manager will come back. When he comes over to me he says I owe her $350 crazy how that number keeps going up! I let him know I gave her $120 and I would need a good reason to give her more. We walk back to the bouncer running VIP where I say dances are $10 tonight your bouncer said we were back there 35 to 45 minutes. I have her $120 which covers 36 minutes if songs are 3 minutes each so since no one in this club has an accurate count I think I'm being more than fair. This whole dance went on over 10 to 15 minutes, by never getting wound up or saying anything to inflame the situation, I never got the impression they were threatening me only trying to bully me out of money. Finally, the manger just says leave, I'm not sure what I expected to happen but in hindsight I get they aren't going to call the cops. I left and all is well, stripper sends me a text telling me I'm just like all the other guys and to delete her number, she was 20 minutes to late. Lesson learned, stay safe ..." [view link]

25 comments

  • SuperDude
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    6 years ago
    Similar scam was inflicted on me at The Coliseum in Detroit, early August, 2018. Dancer sits down for a talk. She's a stunner, but I told her I just got off a flight from Europe, (true) was tired and just stopped for a drink on the way home. She wanted to talk for a while. I gave in to her third invite to the VIP where she sang Billy Joel for more than a few minutes. I paid her $120. She threatened to call the manager if I didn't give her $700.00. We met an hour later at a Detroit casino and I gave her $500.00. Now she's pissed that I told other dancers and customers about her. I was just too tired to fight.
  • Jigman
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    6 years ago
    I understand that the girls usually ask the guy if he wants to keep going, but the guy had to have known that they were back there a while. Pretty lame of him to not pay up.
  • jackslash
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    6 years ago
    $300 for lap dances at Bogart's? Those strippers have offered me blow jobs for $50.
  • ArtCollege
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    6 years ago
    The guy agreed to the $30 dance price. Even on "$10 dance night", if she says $30 for nude, and the customer says "go nude," then's he's committed to $30 per song. And it sounds like it had to have been 10 songs at least. If they told him to leave after paying only $120, I think he ripped off the dancer.
  • K
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    6 years ago
    What is so hard about saying something like, "i want three dances, that will be 90 dollars" before the first dance? I am asked every time if i want more but over counts stopped. Of course i typically go to clubs that have an indicator or the end of each dance.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    6 years ago
    IME dancers continuously asking if you want another dance is not the norm, as it's in their best interest to just assume you wanna keep going if you don't tell her you're done. The dude agreed to dances *in the dance area*, It's not as if she tried to charge him for spending time at his table - I can see a newbie being confused, but this guy seems to know how SCs are supposed to work thus makes me wonder if he was trying to milk the time with the out that she didn't ask him if he wanted more dances.
  • K
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    6 years ago
    Papi I believe what you are trying to say is "i wonder if this guy was trying to be an asshole" Yes, and he succeeded
  • flagooner
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    6 years ago
    ArtCollege +1
  • daddyfatsack
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    6 years ago
    1) The word problem of dudes post was either inaccurate or the math skills are severely lacking. 2) Completely on him. Why would one who is experienced in this trust a dancer to keep an accurate count? Complete nonsense
  • datinman
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    6 years ago
    "I didn't think much of it and figured she was enjoying the company." That sounds like he doesn't know how strip clubs work. This would have been an expensive lesson. He clearly cheated the dancer. Hopefully, he knows better going forward.
  • aham5
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    6 years ago
    Sounds like he agreed to $30 per song.
  • Smalltowncpl
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    6 years ago
    JustinTolook hit the nail on the head. The guy thought they were enjoying each other's company. The dancer was dancing with a client. Even though it was $10 dance night he agreed to the $30 price and obviously knew how long he was back there. He owes her a minimum of $300.
  • Smalltowncpl
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    6 years ago
    But I have never been getting a dance and when the song was over,the dancer didn't ask if I wanted to keep going.........but it's still his fault.
  • nicespice
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    6 years ago
    “IME dancers continuously asking if you want another dance is not the norm, as it's in their best interest to just assume you wanna keep going if you don't tell her you're done.” I always do it. I would have assumed most dancers in my area would as well, since management won’t stick up for you if you get into a dispute. I even remind them what song number they are at. But to be fair, some others dancers may not. One of doctorevil’s reviews about a club in my city noted that dancers were trying to start partway into a song.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    6 years ago
    Hard to know for sure since one wasn't there; but I can def see a newbie custy getting confused about making sure he should count each song and perhaps thinking/expecting the dancer will tell him when his dance is over. Per what the guy wrote he doesn't seem like a newb, but an inexperienced SCer can still get confused - i.e. if she actually wasn't dancing (grinding, etc) and more like hanging out and talking, then I can see why he would think it was hangout time instead of dance-time. My experience seems to be different than most on here where in the clubs I go-to, the dancers asking you after each song is the exception vs the norm - which makes sense to me as they would rather keep you in the dance-area as long as possible vs giving you time to think about-it by asking. I do think there are dancers that take advantage by not asking and hope the custy is preoccupied enough not to notice how many songs he's done - that's why w/ so much $$$ on the line I think she should've checked w/ him at least by the 3rd-song since it was close to $100 by then which is significant $$$ - the fact she didn't bother to ask him until 30 to 45 minutes later makes me think she herself may have been trying to milk-it. There are dancers that will trick custies in trying to get-dances - one way is dancing a whole bunch of songs w/o ever giving the custy a heads-up where they are at - another is I've had dancers come up to me on the floor and be rubbing all over me and grinding on me some but never asking if I want a dance nor even taking anything off, then tell me that was a dance and want me to pay them (where I assumed they were just trying to get me worked-up/horny and then ask me for dances). The club in question is a dive where extras at times can be had for $100 - this chick should've known a custy in this type of dive is not gonna spend $300 in lap-dances and why I think she was trying to milk the situation vs being more upfront about it by periodically letting him know where they were at - it doesn't absolve him but I don't think she's 100% innocent either and IMO kinda took advantage of the situation by letting a guy be in $300 w/o ever giving him a heads-up.
  • whodey
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    6 years ago
    He admits that he was back there with her for 12 songs and that he agreed to $30/song (for some crazy reason). He paid her $120 which by my math means he ripped her off by $240. Completely his fault. IME some dancers either ask if I want to keep going or mention song counts as we go while others don't. If she isn't mentioning it I will bring it up every few songs with something like "that's number 5 right?" This is one of the reasons why I usually go for a timed vip if I think I want more than 1 or 2 dances from her.
  • jester214
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    6 years ago
    I fully believe she was trying to fuck him over. That's not right. I fully believe he saw the opportunity to fuck her over and took it. That's not right either.
  • shailynn
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    6 years ago
    You motherfuckers need to keep your head on a swivel when you be up in these strip clubs! I still like my version of keeping this from happening by 1 of 2 options: "sweetheart, I'm gonna buy $100 worth of dances, let me know when my $100 is up." OR after the end of each song I announce (and make sure the stripper agrees) with the song count "that was 1 song" "that was 2 songs" "that was 3 songs"
  • DrStab
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    6 years ago
    I rarely get dances (I usually negotiate services), but when I do, I always count them out because of stories like this. Anyway, this story doesn’t smell right. Who gets $30 dances at Henry’s? I’ll just take a BJ for $100.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    6 years ago
    ^ Yeah - perhaps this guy is not as familiar w/ H8 as he thinks he is when he's ok paying $30 for a dance.
  • wiffle shwaffle
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    6 years ago
    I hate when other dancers don't tell the customer which # they're on or ask if they want another! I've always been questioned by other dancers about why I do that and that I should just rip customers off. I don't want to be in a situation like this. The dancer is an idiot because she put herself in that situation. The customer is a fuckin retard and definitely screwed her over out of their agreement. Frankly, I'm surprised the club offered to even help her. The advertised price is $10/song. Even if they'd agreed on $30/song, $10 per is the minimum he should pay. It's the fault of the dancer and bounce for neither keeping count. Honestly, everyone in that situation fucked up. Also, in a club that doesn't sell blocks of time, I offer to do so by setting a timer on my phone , so long as customers are okay with it. This dancer should have done that.
  • IHearVoices
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    6 years ago
    She's 100% right. She said nude songs were $30. He said he wanted nude songs, which told her he was cool with $30 a song. They were back there for anywhere between 12-15 songs, according to the time frame given. As many ROBs as there are in clubs, this girl isn't one of them.
  • flagooner
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    6 years ago
    It's amazing that we pretty much all say he was wrong based 100% on his side of the story.
  • zef8mich
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    6 years ago
    I hadn't been to Henry's North for a while and it was the first time I heard about these $30 nude dances. After a couple of songs I decided I better find out how many dances she did and made sure she knew how much I was willing to spend.
  • Dominic77
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    6 years ago
    What @K said.
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