He's right - she's right - or there's blame on both sides ?
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
From a recent review of King Henry VIII near Detroit:
"... Stopped by around 8:30 on a Monday to check out the talent. The club is okay, a little run down and definitely in need of a facelift. Walked in from the parking lot and paid the cover. Then took up perch at a tall table by the entrance and by one of the two secondary stages.
Counted 10 to 15 dancers of many shapes and sizes, after one of the attractive white dancers finished at a stage right infront of me she sat down and we started chatting. Just broke up with bf... blah... blah... blah... He stole money from me... blah... blah... blah... Your're cute blah... blah... blah...
Eventually she asked me if I wanted a dance, I said sure. We get back and says that she has 2 options Nude for 30 a song or top less for 10. Found this interesting considering it was $10 dance night. I said let's go nude.
She did some grinding and we kept talking/flirting at some point I realized that we were many songs and she hadn't asked me if I want to keep going ofer the first song, the way every other stripper I have ever gotten a dance from has done. I didn't think much of it and figured she was enjoying the company. At some point she asked if I wanted to take a break. Something in her tone indicated that she thought she was going to charge me for all of these. We had been flirting pretty heavily this wh I'll le time and had even exchanged phone numbers. (Or at least she had given me 7 digits and an area code.) Only grinding non of the traditional action that occurs at this club.
I stood up and she admitted that she had not kept count, she estimated that I owed her $250.00 to $300.00 (to which I verbally and facially said no way) and we should ask the guy at the front of the VIP. Not wanting to be out numbered in what was now a negotiation, I suggested she and I work things out. She insisted on using the bouncer. This is when I knew I wasn't going to be happy. We get out the bouncer station and he said the he stopped counting songs as well and figures we were back there 35 to 45 minutes. I said that's nice but since nobody had a clean count I'm not just going to fork out cash because of what people "think" and I've never experienced an dancer not keep a count. They call over some other manager. Through all this I stay super calm but firm making sure never to insult the dancer or bouncer.
She and I proceeded back to a table where I pull $120 out of my pocket and had it to her. She takes is but still feels I owe her at least $150 more. At some point she asks me if I know what she is worth an hour, I bite my tongue thinking that without a college education and with no skill set outside of her looks she should be giving me a refund at the point.
She then walks off and says her other manager will come back. When he comes over to me he says I owe her $350 crazy how that number keeps going up! I let him know I gave her $120 and I would need a good reason to give her more. We walk back to the bouncer running VIP where I say dances are $10 tonight your bouncer said we were back there 35 to 45 minutes. I have her $120 which covers 36 minutes if songs are 3 minutes each so since no one in this club has an accurate count I think I'm being more than fair. This whole dance went on over 10 to 15 minutes, by never getting wound up or saying anything to inflame the situation, I never got the impression they were threatening me only trying to bully me out of money. Finally, the manger just says leave, I'm not sure what I expected to happen but in hindsight I get they aren't going to call the cops. I left and all is well, stripper sends me a text telling me I'm just like all the other guys and to delete her number, she was 20 minutes to late.
Lesson learned, stay safe ..."
https://www.tuscl.net/rev.php?id=338345
"... Stopped by around 8:30 on a Monday to check out the talent. The club is okay, a little run down and definitely in need of a facelift. Walked in from the parking lot and paid the cover. Then took up perch at a tall table by the entrance and by one of the two secondary stages.
Counted 10 to 15 dancers of many shapes and sizes, after one of the attractive white dancers finished at a stage right infront of me she sat down and we started chatting. Just broke up with bf... blah... blah... blah... He stole money from me... blah... blah... blah... Your're cute blah... blah... blah...
Eventually she asked me if I wanted a dance, I said sure. We get back and says that she has 2 options Nude for 30 a song or top less for 10. Found this interesting considering it was $10 dance night. I said let's go nude.
She did some grinding and we kept talking/flirting at some point I realized that we were many songs and she hadn't asked me if I want to keep going ofer the first song, the way every other stripper I have ever gotten a dance from has done. I didn't think much of it and figured she was enjoying the company. At some point she asked if I wanted to take a break. Something in her tone indicated that she thought she was going to charge me for all of these. We had been flirting pretty heavily this wh I'll le time and had even exchanged phone numbers. (Or at least she had given me 7 digits and an area code.) Only grinding non of the traditional action that occurs at this club.
I stood up and she admitted that she had not kept count, she estimated that I owed her $250.00 to $300.00 (to which I verbally and facially said no way) and we should ask the guy at the front of the VIP. Not wanting to be out numbered in what was now a negotiation, I suggested she and I work things out. She insisted on using the bouncer. This is when I knew I wasn't going to be happy. We get out the bouncer station and he said the he stopped counting songs as well and figures we were back there 35 to 45 minutes. I said that's nice but since nobody had a clean count I'm not just going to fork out cash because of what people "think" and I've never experienced an dancer not keep a count. They call over some other manager. Through all this I stay super calm but firm making sure never to insult the dancer or bouncer.
She and I proceeded back to a table where I pull $120 out of my pocket and had it to her. She takes is but still feels I owe her at least $150 more. At some point she asks me if I know what she is worth an hour, I bite my tongue thinking that without a college education and with no skill set outside of her looks she should be giving me a refund at the point.
She then walks off and says her other manager will come back. When he comes over to me he says I owe her $350 crazy how that number keeps going up! I let him know I gave her $120 and I would need a good reason to give her more. We walk back to the bouncer running VIP where I say dances are $10 tonight your bouncer said we were back there 35 to 45 minutes. I have her $120 which covers 36 minutes if songs are 3 minutes each so since no one in this club has an accurate count I think I'm being more than fair. This whole dance went on over 10 to 15 minutes, by never getting wound up or saying anything to inflame the situation, I never got the impression they were threatening me only trying to bully me out of money. Finally, the manger just says leave, I'm not sure what I expected to happen but in hindsight I get they aren't going to call the cops. I left and all is well, stripper sends me a text telling me I'm just like all the other guys and to delete her number, she was 20 minutes to late.
Lesson learned, stay safe ..."
https://www.tuscl.net/rev.php?id=338345
25 comments
The dude agreed to dances *in the dance area*, It's not as if she tried to charge him for spending time at his table - I can see a newbie being confused, but this guy seems to know how SCs are supposed to work thus makes me wonder if he was trying to milk the time with the out that she didn't ask him if he wanted more dances.
I believe what you are trying to say is "i wonder if this guy was trying to be an asshole"
Yes, and he succeeded
2) Completely on him. Why would one who is experienced in this trust a dancer to keep an accurate count?
Complete nonsense
I always do it. I would have assumed most dancers in my area would as well, since management won’t stick up for you if you get into a dispute. I even remind them what song number they are at.
But to be fair, some others dancers may not. One of doctorevil’s reviews about a club in my city noted that dancers were trying to start partway into a song.
Per what the guy wrote he doesn't seem like a newb, but an inexperienced SCer can still get confused - i.e. if she actually wasn't dancing (grinding, etc) and more like hanging out and talking, then I can see why he would think it was hangout time instead of dance-time.
My experience seems to be different than most on here where in the clubs I go-to, the dancers asking you after each song is the exception vs the norm - which makes sense to me as they would rather keep you in the dance-area as long as possible vs giving you time to think about-it by asking.
I do think there are dancers that take advantage by not asking and hope the custy is preoccupied enough not to notice how many songs he's done - that's why w/ so much $$$ on the line I think she should've checked w/ him at least by the 3rd-song since it was close to $100 by then which is significant $$$ - the fact she didn't bother to ask him until 30 to 45 minutes later makes me think she herself may have been trying to milk-it.
There are dancers that will trick custies in trying to get-dances - one way is dancing a whole bunch of songs w/o ever giving the custy a heads-up where they are at - another is I've had dancers come up to me on the floor and be rubbing all over me and grinding on me some but never asking if I want a dance nor even taking anything off, then tell me that was a dance and want me to pay them (where I assumed they were just trying to get me worked-up/horny and then ask me for dances).
The club in question is a dive where extras at times can be had for $100 - this chick should've known a custy in this type of dive is not gonna spend $300 in lap-dances and why I think she was trying to milk the situation vs being more upfront about it by periodically letting him know where they were at - it doesn't absolve him but I don't think she's 100% innocent either and IMO kinda took advantage of the situation by letting a guy be in $300 w/o ever giving him a heads-up.
IME some dancers either ask if I want to keep going or mention song counts as we go while others don't. If she isn't mentioning it I will bring it up every few songs with something like "that's number 5 right?" This is one of the reasons why I usually go for a timed vip if I think I want more than 1 or 2 dances from her.
I fully believe he saw the opportunity to fuck her over and took it. That's not right either.
I still like my version of keeping this from happening by 1 of 2 options:
"sweetheart, I'm gonna buy $100 worth of dances, let me know when my $100 is up."
OR
after the end of each song I announce (and make sure the stripper agrees) with the song count "that was 1 song" "that was 2 songs" "that was 3 songs"
The dancer is an idiot because she put herself in that situation. The customer is a fuckin retard and definitely screwed her over out of their agreement.
Frankly, I'm surprised the club offered to even help her. The advertised price is $10/song. Even if they'd agreed on $30/song, $10 per is the minimum he should pay. It's the fault of the dancer and bounce for neither keeping count.
Honestly, everyone in that situation fucked up.
Also, in a club that doesn't sell blocks of time, I offer to do so by setting a timer on my phone , so long as customers are okay with it. This dancer should have done that.