Naming Names

Had the same thing happen last week.

Of course I agree. Now if we could just get new reviewers to read the guide lines!

I don't recall reading review guidelines but it doesn't matter. I'm all for naming ROBs but against publicly naming chicks that give good services so I am in agreement.

If she had been working for me, than man would have be dealt with.

I think it’s smart. Is it really worth a crack down on us or the talent? Think McFly!

I have been rejecting those too. Unfortunately not everyone appreciates the potential consequences and others likely just don't care.

I'd guess a low percentage of reviewers ever look at this board so that would be tough. Maybe you can bring it to founder's attention and ask him to remove it.

Please don't put my name in a review

This has been discussed many times and when the founder was asked, he stated he had no problem with names...clearly he approved them before we were ever involved.
Personally I agree ROBs should be identified and others should not be slandered but if the review is coherent and has info that may help others, IMHO I believe it should be shared.

Some guys treat TUSCL like it was an escort site

As flag mentioned, most of us on the board are in agreement but we're a small % of the TUSCL bandwidth

Perhaps if the reject comments appeared along with the unpublished reviews it would put things like this on the radar of the other approvers - would not be foolproof but I think would help

dancewdcpa - Prior to turning over reviews to the membership for approval or rejection, Founder did NOT read every review. Reviews that were too short were automatically rejected by the computer. All other were published and if you felt it should not have been, you needed to send him a message with you concerns and time permitting, he would remove it.

I don't recall him ever saying that he agreed with publishing names of dancers that would get them in trouble with their club or LE. In fact he stated his disapproval in the printed guide lines.

I agree with the good doctor. I think Reviews with names should be rejected.

Thank you shadowcat.
I don't recall the name of the thread but I do recall a discussion like this when founder chimed in...and he said "I have no problem with it"... maybe Papi recalls that thread?

Count dancewdcpa as one who doesn't seem to grasp the problem with it or just doesn't care.

Dance, not all of us live and club in the Detroit suburbs, where LE is not a serious concern and many clubs openly allow xyz. In many areas, it is not advisable to give LE easy intel to use in targeting clubs. Also, in more uptight clubs and/or areas, managers and even other dancers can use posts like that against girls who are kind enough to go the extra distance.

Fucking two_sheds and TER refugess.

Here is what Founder’s review guidelines state: “Be honest. You can go into detail of the private dances. Just be careful with names if it may get your ATF in trouble.” Why would you want to get your ATF, or any girl that gave you good service, in trouble? Plus, it’s just not gentlemanly, but I guess this is the wrong group to make that kind of appeal. Names of good service providers are best handled by PM in my opinion. But don’t bother asking me for a name in a PM unless I have met you in person or you are a prominent poster on the board.

Juice wants to know if it’s okay if he mentions the cooks names in a raview and the quality of the chackin wangs!

Totally understand the concern and share the leaning of this group towards discretion.
Just saying to the original question that Founder cleared this up months ago when he said,
"I don't mind names posted. I don't know how that urban myth even started."

@dancewdcpa founder was talking about fosta/sesta rules that were being enacted that’s what he was ok with not naming dancers that have done nothing wrong, he has published guidelines for reviews that is what should be followed.
@founder maybe you should make the guidelines a pop up box that needs to be checked before submitting a review.

LMFAO Shaylynn

Dr I actually flagged that review as well go figure

Thank you 25... good idea

Brilliant twenty-five

simple. don't name an 'extra' girl.

My recollection is the same as dancewdcpa. Founder commented to a thread exactly like this one and stated that he had no rules about naming names regardless of the context.

I disagreed, but thought (and continue to think...) that names connected to extras is a bad practice even though it's not against the rules. I also agree that ROBs should be named, for what it's worth.

This is one of those 'not our sandbox' issues.

Perhaps post a comment to that review so that the reviewer is aware of the potential problem.

although I admit... I do like to see names

I think this kind of bragging stuff is men's nature. Back when I was more open to extracurriculars, the club regulars were an automatic no for me. Not only because I wanted to charge more, but also because I valued discretion.

I agree that 25 has a good idea.

^I have always subscribed to the idea that “descretion is the better part of valor”

I do not remember any thread where Founder said it was OK to name girls. He said he had no problem with mentioning Extras and talking about them occurring. But there was no comment about naming the girl.

I don't like to see names in ANY review other than to call out ROBs.

^That is the correct context.

The problem (one of many) with connecting a dancer to specific acts is that it implies that the dancer will provide that service to anyone who walks through the door. That's often not true and could lead to a bad encounter for both the dancer and customer.

Here is the thread where founder stated that he was okay with names being used. The discussion started out specifically about legal brothels, but by the time founder commented it had moved toward the use of names generally.

Honestly, it's a bit murky. But my interpretation remains that founder has not given clear guidance on the use of specific dancer names.

I wish that he would and make it plain for customers before they post a review. Only a small percentage of users participate in discussions regularly.

Dammit... premature 'post comment'. Here's the link.

tuscl.net

I agree, DON'T POST NAMES OF EXTRAS PROVIDERS IN REVIEWS.

But if they are in Florida, send it to me in a PM.
;-)

^ I take it you don’t mind those sloppy seconds ;)

In my opinion - names should only be used when the dancer is an outright ROB. If there’s a question (about ROB behavior) names shouldn’t be used.

If there’s a dancer who provides good service (and extras) - my thought is to be less specific - so she can’t be immediately identified. There’s no reason to out a dancer for delivering a great time.

This is clubbing 101. It’s asinine to act otherwise!

I assume Founder either forgot about his own guidelines or may have just meant that it's ok to name a dancer that you like in general - the not naming names came from the guidelines.

I reread that thread CMI linked, I don’t read it that way at all. I take it in the context that he wasn’t worried about being shut down due to fosta/sesta. if you read the entire thread and not cherrypick those items that support your hypothesis that really was the theme at that time, there were quite a few threads that founder commented on regarding those regulations, I actually think he has been quite consistent.

Agreed to not name names. I generally don’t include names in reviews at all even if it was a no mileage event
I recently posted a review that included some mileage and was asked the dancers name in a comment. Told the poster I wasn’t going to provide that information. Why get a good CF in trouble?

Here are the guidelines in full:

-- Content and length are the two most important factors to consider.

-- Be wordy. Fill the review box. One or two sentence reviews aren't helpful to anyone.

-- Give a LOT of details in your review (club layout, atmosphere, dance quality, etc.).

---- Your review should be at least 4 solid paragraphs, with 4-7 sentences each.
---- One paragraph should describe the club vibe.
---- Mention cleanliness, thug factor, music level, dj annoyance factor, lighting, etc.
---- Another paragraph should describe the dancers and their vampiness. How many were there? What ethicities did you see? Did they seem happy to see you?
---- A third paragraph should be about value. Don't say drinks, dances, cover charge, etc. were cheap or expensive. Tell us the actual costs!
---- At least one paragraph should summarize with three or four sentences describing why you would or would not return to the club.

-- Be honest. You can go into detail of the private dances. Just be careful with names if it may get your ATF in trouble.

-- Spelling, grammar, and punctuation count. Do not use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS! When composing a review, spell check it.

-- Pro Tip 1: Think about what you would like to tell your good buddy about a strip club he's never been to.

-- Pro Tip 2: Think about the business traveler that is sitting in his hotel room with only time enough to hit one club in this new town. Let him know why or why not he should visit a particular club.

Here's the relevant bit: "Be honest. You can go into detail of the private dances. Just be careful with names if it may get your ATF in trouble."

To me, that's a "something to consider" but not a prohibition. I still believe we shouldn't include names connected to services.

I just rejected a review for the Foxtail Lounge in N.J. as being too explicit.

I saw that one. Also rejected it.

I love the moral guidelines for a strip club review site. Ha! Personally I love reading names of girls at the strip clubs and if they go the extra mile than it's good to know for the customers. That only helps us out and is kind of the point of being here reading reviews. I know I do it before I go to a new club. Helps me weed out the good and bad of a club.

Let's look at this from another perspective. If a dancer posts a review and describes customers using names and/or explicit, identifiable traits (physical or otherwise) along with fetishes and spending habits, how do you think most guys would react to that?

shit. I'm toast.

@TippingDollars “Personally I love reading names of girls at the strip clubs and if they go the extra mile than it's good to know for the customers.”

CMI already said it clearly
“The problem (one of many) with connecting a dancer to specific acts is that it implies that the dancer will provide that service to anyone who walks through the door. That's often not true and could lead to a bad encounter for both the dancer and customer.”

Also, I’d like to add something else:

At one of my old clubs, there was another dancer who was not too fond of me. I found her in a club review. The name had the first letter and asterisks to indicate the length of the name (and I’m pretty sure founder had to censor the name) Also the poster described not only her physical appearance but also her personal circumstances.

I instantly recognized the girl in the review as the dancer who didn’t like me when I worked there.

Now, let’s say I had stuck around at that club. And instead of quietly disliking me, she ended up doing something to actively provoke me.

I could have used that review against her in one way or another.

I guess I'm in the minority here. Knowledge only benefits the customer. One can only "take one for the team" so many times without wasting a ton of dollars. It helps me to see names, physical descriptions, recommendations. Don't need the explicit details for the naughty dancers but a recommendation from other locals goes a long way. Luckily in my area, other members are wonderful with responding to PM's and sharing their information!

Do people actually believe what is written on here regarding the fun in VIP? I completely think describing the girls like race, body build, drinks, cleanliness of club and prices as truths, but any extras that happen as false. For example i like going to bourbon here in phoenix because its a clean club, no FIV, no DFK going on here. i like wasting my money at bourbon.

I don't think that anyone is saying no names at all ever. I think it's also okay to say something like "Bambi gives a great dance." along with a physical description.

What most of us are saying is a bad practice is to link a dancer by name to specific extras.

@salty... I take all descriptions of extras (linked to a dancer or not) with a grain of salt, partly because the customer may be bullshitting and partly because I know that what that guy got may not be offered to me.

That said, not all of the people looking at the reviews are strip club veterans and others believe because they want to believe. So yeah, I think that there are a good number of guys who take it seriously.

Guys can talk themselves around a lot of common sense. How many guys come on here because they are in love with a stripper, and their stripper is different from all the others?

I prefer one of three useful safe reviews:

1. The reviewer specifically names a ROB and details the circumstances
2. The reviewer identifies a club within which UHM or extras were offered (without naming dancer names)
3. The reviewer names a dancer which met or exceeded his expectations (without naming specific acts).

Anything more puts our hobby, the dancer and/or the club in danger and is unadvisable.