Good Economy means good or bad clubbing

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• ArtCollege

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  6 years ago

  Good economy means bad clubbing. PLs have more money to spend, but girls have more job options, or at least their boyfriends/husbands do. So higher prices for lower quality.
• JamesSD

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  6 years ago

  The one asterisk I would put is stock market performance matters more than the overall economy for dayshift. A lot of dayshift girls depends on guys that are living off their 401ks more than W2s. But yes there are likely very few girls stripping now because they can't find a waitress or bartender gig. They want the fast money.
• Jascoi

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  6 years ago

  good points. butt overall a better economy for the middle class makes strip clubbing better. (at least I would hope so.)
• londonguy

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  6 years ago

  Is your economy getting better then ?
• Cashman1234

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  6 years ago

  It is entirely dependent on the type of recovery. If it’s only benefitting the top tier - then it won’t pump up prices for regular clubbers - which is good. If the booming economy benefits most everyone - that’s going to drive all prices a bit higher. That’s not good for value clubbing. There will always be hot girls in need of quick money (and not just waitress money) - so there should always be a decent supply of strippers to fill all job openings. We’ve had a stock market moving higher for about two years - and that is a benefit to many folks across income brackets. I’m not sure if wages have made any gains - and that’s where I’d look to determine how widespread the economic prosperity has reached.
• Jascoi

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  6 years ago

  London guy. without any doubt the economic high class guys are definitely in a much better position. and because of that... some of the middle class are seeing some improvement.
• chessmaster

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  6 years ago

  Its a good question for sure. I think the only way to know is to look at the past and compare. Were strip clubs at the best when the economy was booming or during recessions? I dont think there is enough data because strip clubs dont have a well documented history.
• Jascoi

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  6 years ago

  as to the low working class... maybe more employment opportunities exist but fuck ... The pay still sucks.
• rickdugan

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  6 years ago

  I think it depends on what one means by good or bad. Contrary to what a few others are posting, I don't believe that strip clubs are competing against Walmart and other low wage employers. Crap low wage jobs can always be found regardless of the economic cycle, especially for a pretty young girl. What strip clubs are competing against, more than anything, are social stigmas and natural hesitancy that girls have to taking their clothes off for money. If the last two economic boom cycles (90s and 2000s) are any indication, more discretionary money in guys' pockets = more money spent at strip clubs = higher earnings for strippers = greater ability of clubs to attract and retain hot girls. So from an eye candy perspective, I would expect to see continued improvement as long as the economy holds. Indeed, I am already seeing it in my local clubs, which have been picking up a lot over the past year. If you are looking at it from a p4p perspective, then it's more of a mixed bag. Better money means higher cost for p4p and more girls able to earn their nut without doing anything extra at all. On the flip side, the economic malaise that lasted 8 fucking years caused a lot of clubs to fold up their tents, so it does none of us good for clubs to be on life support forever.
• shailynn

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  6 years ago

  Ricky, I do think certain low pay/entry level jobs compete with stripping, especially in rural areas. I can’t tell you how many strippers I’ve met in middle America who say they started stripping coming from a job at a grocery store, waitress, clothing store, pharmacy or receptionist type job. A lot said they were laid off and had no other choice. A lot of them can’t cut it stripping for various reasons and go back to their old jobs if they can. One thing they all say, is how shocked they are about easy and quick money in a strip club, but on the other hand they act shocked when they barely make anything on a slow customer-less night. To answer the OP I’d say bad economy makes it a buyers market if you’re looking for strippers. I would also imagine bad economy may bring more girls in to dance, where as a good economy many girls will find other jobs for employment.
• Tiredtraveler

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  6 years ago

  I live in a smallish city and there are Help wanted sign everywhere and I talk to business owners and they are paying premium money for unskilled help as long as they can pass a piss test.
• l00ber

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  6 years ago

  Even prices in TJ went up during the Obama years. Thanks a lot, O'bama.
• Tiredtraveler

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  6 years ago

  I wonder if the employment situation effects the stripper pool because virtually none I have ever met could pass a drug screen.
• twentyfive

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  6 years ago

  I think it is dependent on what part of the country you’re in. Down here in SFlorida a lot get income from portfolios that have moved up nicely in the last few years, I don’t believe people in the Rust Belt are doing so well, I also believe that there is a wave of unemployment coming is some of the automobile industry areas because of the increased pressure from the tariffs that will be starting to affect that industry, I also don’t think that there has been any real wage increases, but who knows, alcohol and prostitution flourish during tough times, we’ll soon find out though.
• Book Guy

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  6 years ago

  I think it's a mixed thing. How do you determine when the pressure one way outweighs the pressure the other way? Economic improvement means more cash flowing means more strip-clubbing patrons means wider range of opportunity for (us) regular strip-clubbing patrons. Economic problems means more hot young women desperate for the ready-cash that strip-clubbing might bring them, means better opportunity for (us) regular strip-clubbing patrons. Economic improvement means more men going to strip-clubs with more ready cash, means prices in strip-clubs can go upwards so less chance for good services for the same price for (us) regular strip-clubbing patrons. Economic problems means less strip-club activity in general among the average public, because there's less money flowing, consequently less strip-club opportunity for (us) regular strip-clubbing patrons. It seems to cut both ways. I'd like to figure out more about which factors weigh in which direction, and how to predict better WHICH direction it would cut. What sectors influence strip-clubbing in what directions; what demographic shifts are good or bad for us; etc.. My theory is, that specialization leads to strip-club-ization. The more that a location requires a relatively attractive young woman to have a specialized, technical or experienced, well-trained set of job skills, then the more attractive young women will be likely to lack that certification or qualification, therefore the more attractive young women will be fighting for my strip club dollar. This is my theory. I want things to be BETTER for me, not worse. I want the girls to look better than they currently do, and I want the general trend toward less and less attractive women in strip-clubs to reverse itself, and I want the prices to go back down. It's my impression that 1992 to 1998 or so, give or take, in different places, was North America's greatest hey-day of high-quality and low-price strip-clubbing options, and that it's been a slow but predictable decline ever since. In my experience, the women are less hot, and every year they get even less hot, though not necessarily any older. In my experience, the prices continue to rise, and every year they rise more, though not necessarily for any better or more enjoyable levels of service. In my experience, everything you get from a strip-club is less than what you used to get, dollar for dollar, song per song, ounce for ounce, or any other way you cut it. And whether the current flux of the economy is upwards or downwards is only a small part of this more general more long-term trend downwards. Very disappointing. Maybe 1997 to 2002? Or 1995 to 2001? Or ... but it mid-Nineties was the best, IMO.
• Mate27

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  6 years ago

  I think hotter quality chics will dance, because they will see the easy money. Prices definitely rise and fewer people will engage in extras or otc, but the payout will be greater for those that make otc a reality. By the way, there’s not as much cash flowing as you’d think. People feel richer in their homes and 401ks, but most of that money is locked away. I see the older gentlemen getting a lot of play as their pockets are deeper and more willing to throw some of it away to young, nubile aged women.
• rickdugan

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  6 years ago

  Shailynn, the fact that girls transition from one to the other does not mean that they are competing. There is a large swath of girls out there who would never dream of stripping, period. Rarely does a girl who says she had "no choice" really have no other choice.
• Papi_Chulo

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  6 years ago

  I'm a believer in "a rising tide lifts all boats". Strippers are in strip clubs allowing guys to grope them, bc of $$$ - if there isn't good $$$ in the clubs it's not gonna be worth it to them. In the late-90s when the stock-market was going bonkers the clubs were packed and $$$ often flowing like honey and seems even small rickety clubs seemed to have good $$$ in them. Many different businesses suffer when the economy turns bad and the customers are not there, I don't see why it would be different w.r.t stripping.
• Papi_Chulo

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  6 years ago

  There is a cause and effect - I believe a strong economy with PLs with $$$ in their pockets means more and better dancers going after that $$$ but can also obviously drive up prices
• ToyChaser

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  6 years ago

  prices are better in clubs at the beginning and end of the month after the 26th but before the 8th
• minnow

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  6 years ago

  One wild card that nobody has mentioned is the paradigm shift that has occurred (and the trend will continue, IMHO) in the economy the past 8-9 years. I'm talking more internet based transactions, more brick and mortar stores closing, and certain jobs being eliminated/downsized due to automation and increased business productivity. Anybody visiting the "pink site" can see that the camming section threads get much more hits than the stripping general/club chat sections. For many, being a camgirl is more appealing than being a club dancer. Working out of own residence with hours of choosing is appealing. Not having to deal with drunk, gropey, or otherwise obnoxious customers face to face is a plus. Getting rid of an obnoxious customer on cam is just a click away. I don't claim to have an accurate pulse on the macroeconomics of labor pool supply vs demand and how it affects available pool of strippers. An improving economy will help the temporary stripper get a job in her degree specialty (what % of strippers are actually working their way through college). OTOH, elimination of certain low skill jobs due to increased automation (ever notice how Walmart and grocery stores are giving customers a "nudge" towards the self service lines, particularly after 10pm) probably increases the compelling cases where stripping is a "viable option". From my limited sphere of clubbing the last 8 years, I've noticed a decrease in the average attractiveness level of dancers in the clubs. Not enough to drive me away, but just my observation. I'm not personally aware of any club in my "bubble" going out of business due to hard times. I am aware of 2 clubs that I've reviewed being closed due to legal problems (Harem- Dayton due to drug busts, Centerfolds- Phoenix due in part to well publicized bouncer brutality incident.). Either way, YMMV caveat applies regardless of economy.
• future POTUS and Senator in training

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  6 years ago

  rick dugan over thinking he knows what it is like to be female with little education needing to support a child on an income stripping could guarantee compared to most others. GTFO with your "rarely they have no option".dumbass.
• future POTUS and Senator in training

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  6 years ago

  rick dugan over thinking he knows what it is like to be female with little education needing to support a child on an income stripping could guarantee compared to most others. GTFO with your "rarely they have no option".dumbass.
• rickdugan

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  6 years ago

  ^Idk minnow. I keep hearing that, but I wonder how many girls in the U.S. are actually cammiing on any given day. It's less than 300 right now on MFC and that includes some Canadian girls. Obviously there is more than one site, but if one of the largest has less than 300 North American girls, it stands to reason that the other big sites (there really aren't that many that are very big) are operating in a similar manner. It seems that a lot of the girls on these cam sites now are from outside the U.S. In the meantime, we have in excess of 2,000 clubs in the U.S. open on any given day and if each club only averaged 10 dancers for the entire day (which is a really low bar), we'd be talking about 20,000 girls working on a single day and I'm sure the number is closer to 30,000+. I suspect that cam girls are so over-represented on stripperweb because they are the ones most likely to be online at any given time, since of course they work online.
• Jascoi

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  6 years ago

  cam girls suck.
• nicespice

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  6 years ago

  I believe an economic boom makes clubs a generally more positve experience for the club customers. But context matters. For example, the city of Austin is doing very well right now economically, and it’s also a “fun” city. So there’s constant influx of dancers and managers can be more picky in who is hired. During the oil boom, Odessa TX was apparently an amazing area to work money wise (so I heard) but it’s far from a “fun” city and it’s smaller so I’m sure the dancer quality only slightly improved during that time.
• minnow

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  6 years ago

  Rick, I don't think anyone knows for sure how many cam girls there are in the USA, especially if you take some "indies" into account. Point being that camming is an option that has gained more traction in the last 8 years or so as a viable alternative to working in the club. The real concern for individual club goers is how the macro-economics affects the club you go to at the time of the day you go. Will the case of an improving economy cause noticeably more dancers to go to the afternoon/off peak nights that you go to, or will increase in number of dancers disproportionately migrate to the weekend night shifts ? Likewise, will a negative economy cause your fave afternoon dancer to quit the club ? The perspective is all in the eye of the individual club goer.
• JamesSD

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  6 years ago

  Yeah for me as a day clubber who seeks value mileage, it's nice to have dancers give up on night shift to work days. My feeling is girls are more willing to make the jump to days and the mileage it demands if they can't make an easy $500 giving mostly air dances Friday nights. I do think this thread illustrates where it's a little complicated.
• Book Guy

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  6 years ago

  I think the question, of determining truthfully how many girls are camming at any given time, is a very important and interesting question, that I haven't wondered about previously. If you could add up all the girls stripping, across the USA; versus all the girls camming ... can you really say that camming has significantly cut into the roster of girls who are stripping? We tend to assume camming does cut into stripping, don't we? I think it has become a bit of an accepted understanding, that camming and other internet revenue sources have undermined some of the number of girls who are stripping. I used to accept that general understanding, and I think a number of people here at TUSCL saw it as a rather reasonable understanding to have. Once it was pointed out to me, a few years back, in one of these threads IIRC, I just went, "Oh duh! Of course!" and accepted it. But now that the actual numbers are questioned, I start to wonder a bit about it. Maybe there are NOT as many cam-girls out there as I first assumed. I know of about 10 "legitimate" cam sites. There are hundreds, of course; but there are two or three "big" ones, and about seven "second tier" ones, that (to me) "count" as major cam sites. And those will have, at most, at prime time, somewhere in the range of 300 each, max. That's not enough people camming to cut into North America's strip-club-dancing girls. Possibly I'm doing the math wrong. I'm not 100% sure. I don't actually enjoy observing the cam-girls -- it's not cuppa tea in the least, so I don't know much about it. If I'm going to go watch porn on the internet, then I'm more interested in the videos I can get of hardcore action (usually streaming; usually via a site like Pornhub or Spankbang) than I am in the cam-girls. And if I'm interested in strip-club going, I don't really see ANY options from the internet on my computer that are adequate replacements. So, I'm starting to question the cam-girl impact on the equation. Maybe there's something else going on? I'd like to agree with one of the posts above, that "a rising tide floats all boats," since that post also states that the mid-90s (which I've previously identified as my personal hey-day of strip-clubbing's best experiences for me) were at time which proves that theory. In the mid-90s, I liked the strip clubs; and the stock market was rising consistently; and so the post says; and so I'd like to believe. So, if the stock market goes great guns again, like during the dot-com flush times, maybe strip clubs will get better again? Rather than the current trend (as I perceive it) of reducing quality of service AND reducing quality of girls, per dollar, per song, per girl, per hour, per anything. Wouldn't it be nice to have a little bit of hope about how things might improve in the future? :)
• Papi_Chulo

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  6 years ago

  The internet has eradicated many a business (record stores; book stores; etc) - if camming was so lucrative or such a direct competitor to strip-clubs, one would think there wouldn't be too-many strippers around and strip-clubs would have been closing left-and-right. As Dugan mentioned, a lot of the camming girls are international and are willing to charge lower rates - and when I look at a cam-site I see many girls just sitting around waiting. With all the free-porn around, there really isn't that big of an advantage to pay for camming (one can even see many cam-girls for free on porn sites). IMO it's debatable how profitable camming really is and how much biz they actually take away from clubs - camming and strippers are not necessarily apples-to-apples - given the choice/ability IMO most mongers would prefer SCing over camming - I would not think there'd be guys that are regular SCers and decide to forgo SCs and switch over to camming - it seems escorts probably take a bigger chunk out of the SC market - i.e.. probably a fair-amount of mongers that get fed-up w/ SCs and switch over to escorts
• nicespice

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  6 years ago

  Many do both. I’ve considered trying it out soon as well. One is faster money where you get paid immediately. The other is slower with traceable income. Though it does seem like if you want to be a top earner, it’s better to be a top cam girl over a top stripper.
• nicespice

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  6 years ago

  ^^forgot to add in, from what I read, money is primarily best made as a cam girl when you have your niche and established regulars. Which is what makes it “slower” than dancing
• stripfighter

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  6 years ago

  A few interesting discussions going on... As far as the OP's question, it depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for cheap extras, then you'll find more willing with a struggling economy. But if you're looking for hotter and better looking dancers a better economy will attract better talent. As far as camming taking away business from SCs, I don't see it. Girls will do either for different reasons, and true some do both. Some work better in a club, low light setting, and can more safely protect their identity/profile from friends/family/etc. Others like the digital distance and aren't comfortable being groped/pawed at etc. And with cam girls it's feast or famine, even more so than strippers. The high end cammers make more than the high end strippers, but the low end ones struggle for even a few bucks an hour (and yes, even the 8+) As nicespice said above the best cammers have established niches. It's a mix between stripping and porn. Ability to interact with the digital distance.