I know they are two total different things. I know that men go for strippers instead bc some want a performance or like club environment. But for those times where men literally just go to get off, why not see an escort instead?bc of price?
The only time I've gone for escorts is when I was in Vegas and I was able to meet the girl and have drinks at the bar first. At home here in Ohio I've looked at escort ads and talked to a few on switter.at but I can't bring myself to make an appointment with a girl I haven't met. There is one who I've talked to who is a top provider I will engage when I'm out of a date...But for now My all time fav dancer, who I knew for several weeks in the club before meeting her otc just clicks with me in an amazing way. In fact she's the only dancer at the club I'd consider OTC with...Others have asked, but I declined because we just have magic together....So in theory, escorts are ok....I could do that...but as long as exotic dancers / strippers will give me mind blowing dances followed by outside dates and sex...I think I might stick with the dancers...of course I'd probably save a TON of money going with the escorts...I've literally spent thousands on my atf....I've been keeping track in a spreadsheet...I've spent 4,465 on her this month alone between dates, dances, shopping, etc...But I have had quite a lot of sex with her and its top notch every time...I've gotten used to her and what she likes and she's learned a lot about me...Sometimes we can spend a couple hours fucking...She has a few others she sees OTC, but none to the extent of me...
Ok thx 4 input. Im really curious about sex industry, i even take courses at UT that discuss these topics bc of it lol so i am posting my questions here. @max, fyi, your relationship with her sounds very cute.
It's interesting for sure...I get a lot of excitement out of it...But it is very costly...I'm not sure how long i can keep it up...and there are downsides as well.
We mongers -both men & women- seek out strippers and escorts for a variety of reasons. When I want to hunt, I'll go to a stripclub. When I want a sure thing, then it's off to see an escort. Pretty simple stuff to figure out, really.
@lo.paw..it isnt always that simple. Some dont do.escorts even if orgy is the only thing deiving them to ckub just bc of complacency, stigma, etc. So i wanted to hear from.audience..plus, even the thought of hunting isnt always thay simple..no one in my age category really wants to hunt for it, or at least not as much.if college guys are looking for any kind of action with females, they want it as fast as possible imo
@max do u like taking her out for dates or do u do it to make her feel.better.im.guessing both.but i think making men for dates and iniating them defeats the point lol. And so yall have good chemistry? Besides just sexually?
Nice^ last question on this thread. How common is it for women in strip.clubs to meet with outsiders whether just for sex etc? Is it only the minority of girls in each club? Im guessing depends in area. I was curious abt dallas or austin
I started with strippers, moved to escorts, and then went back to strippers.
A big difference between the two is the minimum cost of access. An escort is going to require you to pay $300, $400, or more up front just off her photos, emails, and phone conversation before you have a chance to see if she's legitimate or not. You can have a stripper in your lap for free (minus the cost of cover charge and minimum drinks) and can see if the stripper might be worth it or not; a stripper that lets you do something for free is going to let you do it in exchange for payment.
Strippers also cost less if you get ripped off. Strippers tend to be pay as you go so as soon as you're not satisfied, you can stop payment. Escorts need payment up front and if she sucks or you get robbed, you're out a whole lot of money.
@Nicole1994 Now you are getting on track, but you still need to get rid of your assumptions, if you want legit answers to questions ask the question directly, forget what you think the answer might be and allow people to answer judgement free, you will get a better response.
I personally don’t use escorts as such, strippers, are a lot more fun as a group and you get the opportunity to see if there is a connection before plunging into the deep end of the pool. I don’t like getting intimate with a woman I don’t know at least superficially. But that’s just me, I’d guess that those folks that see escorts regularly have their own reasons for doing so, I only speak for myself.
If you search on this site, you’ll likely find a number of discussions on this subject. I know I’ve seen more than a few.
For me, it boils down to what kind of time I’m looking for. *Most* of the time, I’m looking for a longer, more relaxed, less scripted experience than most escorts provide. In addition to being able to meet and talk in the club before even considering meeting up outside the club, strippers are much more likely to offer that type of experience.
Make no mistake, I have no illusions about exactly why a dancer would stoop to having sex with an old, fat, ugly guy such as myself. It’s the money. However, strippers (at least the ones in whom *I* am interested) are much more likely to be open to adding “fun” to the mix, whereas escorts, IME, are much more about getting the job done and getting gone.
When my ATF/SB/mistress/girlfriend was still around, we spent a lot of time together, and not all of it was fucking. I still gave her money, but she never watched the clock beyond “I gotta be home by x:xx.” It was as often me wrapping things up as it was her.
I thought her Pic was great and she looked hot. Totally stripper material. Her questions were fine and the hostility directed towards her inappropriate. I like strip clubs. I like bars. I like sports on tv. I don't like having a female robot come to my hotel room to perform a sex act. That's why I go to strip[ clubs without a plan. Sometimes, like Friday, it might just be 8 hours of drinking.
It is way more common than I originally thought, though it can vary by location & club...I know for a fact it is nearly every girl at the club I go to because the girl I'm with and a few other girls confirmed it..There may be some girls who work there less frequently that don't of course....And she has asked a few of them to come for a 3 some before, but I nixed that idea...Not that I don't want to...I have already been in a 3 some (2 girls and 1 guy) before and while it is great, I can't normally justify spending the extra cash for not much extra pleasure...I'm extremely attracted and sexually aroused by my club girlfriend I just don't see any need for anyone else...When she brought up the threesome thing, it was a night I had less cash than normal in my wallet...Probably only 600 total...and it would have cut into some of what I was going to give her for dancing + otc in one night...(she made 300 off dances and then I gave her another 200 later)...But one night when I have more and its within my budget I'll let her have her 3 some lol....Since she's mentioned it at least 3-4x I think its more for her than me...
What happened a few nights ago is exactly why I seek out my fun with strippers instead of escorts.
It started with us meeting ITC a few weeks prior. She is hot as hell and healthy looking, seemingly free of hard core drugs. She was also a blast to spend time with and we were able to chat easily. After seeing her a couple of times, I was moved to seek out OTC. She refused at first, but eventually relented. On the night of the meetup, we got together for a couple of drinks and had a fun chat. Then we went to my hotel and she had sex with me like I was her long lost boyfriend just returning from deployment.
None of the handful of times that I dialed an escort were ever remotely like that. The meetings were transactional and rushed and rarely did the girls look as good as their pictures. OTC strippers and escorts simply don't act the same in most cases, unless of course one picks up his date from one of the high volume extras clubs. Also, the sad reality is that a high percentage of escorts have substance abuse problems, which you often do not see until they show up at your door. It is also far easier for some anonymous escort to run a grab and dash than it is for a girl who lives in the community and has been dancing at the same club for a length of time.
I could go on, but there it is. Meeting the girl in person and getting to know her is a huge advantage. I didn't even get to the LE issues with dialing up random escorts or even just being listed in their contact databases. Go on a site like usasexguide and not only are they complaining about all of the other shit discussed above (drugs, ripoffs, bait and switch), but they are also constantly sweating exposure to undercover stings or escort agency prosecutions. Those of us who find girls in clubs, however, have virtually no realistic LE exposure and have a much easier time managing the other exposures. I pay a bit of a premium to pick up girls from the clubs, but it is 100% worth it to me.
Except for one club in Atlanta, an hour's worth of time with a stripper ITC that is going to include sex is MORE expensive than an escort. Getting to meet and interact with a dancer first in the club is a great thing. Kind of like Rick's story, my SB and I meet girls in strip clubs and if a girl likes us we propose she join us on a date, rather than being less than 100% comfortable (or private) in a club VIP room. Plus, when you go to a strip club, there is no guarantee you will find a dancer willing to have sex at a price you are willing to pay. (There are clubs you can go to where you can maximize the chances, but even Shadowcat reports there are days at Follies where there is no one worth staying for.)
The whole "you don't get to preview an escort before hand" argument is solved by doing your research, making appts with escorts with incall locations, and having the backbone to turn around and walk out if you get there and she is nothing like you were led to believe.
I've been involved with strip clubs and escorts a long time, and haven't seen any indication one group is more likely to be I to drugs than the other. If anything, the escorts I knew had their shit together better than most strippers.
@rickdugan: “Those of us who find girls in clubs, however, have virtually no realistic LE exposure and have a much easier time managing the other exposures. I pay a bit of a premium to pick up girls from the clubs, but it is 100% worth it to me.”
Excellent point, and it works in the other direction as well, at least in clubs where one is known. I’ve been going to local clubs since I moved here 20 years ago, and even if a specific girl doesn’t know me, somebody else, e.g. the bartender, will at least know I’m not LEO or ABC.
I'd have to weigh in that the escorts I have known (as customers of mine) seem to have less problems with drugs than strippers...this is a gross generalization of course and each individual is different..some don't do any drugs....while others are hitting the crack and heroin on a daily...buyer beware
^^^I’d make the guess that most escorts are not drug addicted, I would think that those that think escorts are druggies are confusing them with street whores and car trick prostitution.
Seeing escorts does not need to be like throwing darts at a board, even on a first meeting, even with TER down. Like Joc13 said, do some research and walk out the door of her incall if her pictures are fake or if anything seems off. Also, these discussions seem to assume first encounters. I would agree that you can get some indication of a stripper’s personality by seeing her in the club first and maybe end up with a less mechanical experience than seeing an escort you just met. But there are some outstanding escorts in both the looks and personality departments and many that give a great sexual experience. Repeating with them doesn’t get its due here.
The OP asked about seeing an escort when we just want to get off. That’s a really good question given how much angst gets expressed here about trying to fuck strippers.
For me it is much simpler or at least through the years it has been--with escorts it is a planned meeting. I've had a lot of fun with some very attractive women that were escorts and more than a handful of them started as strippers before they moved into escorting as their source of income.
With going to a strip club it is normally a same day or even spur of the moment event for me.
SA has replaced seeing escorts over the past three-four years but again unless you have someone you are seeing as on a regular basis and you live in the same area it isn't as spontaneous as going to a club.
Only judgemental post i made was strip club needing to be shut down. Everything else i have said were just justified opinions. Having strong views are not only part of my personality but my future career amd what im studying. Given that they have been very much justified on here and have been respectful except for that one post, youre going to have to accept my different views or ignore me.thx
@Nicole1994 - In another thread you asked why guys hang around here. The questions you are asking are sort of what drew me in initially. This is a weird secret world and it is interesting to learn the quirks. I am guessing you will discover SA next and then start asking about that.
Classically it was for sugar baby/sugar daddy relationships but it is more like tinder with payment these days. Possible types of arrangements there run the gamut.
Search this on google to find threads here about it: "seeking arrangement site:tuscl.net"
You might want to sign up just for fun to see what kind of messages you get!
In my view - I like filthy NJ strip clubs. There are a few clubs that offer a nice variety of hot dancers.
However, the mix of dancers in NJ clubs also provides a mix of offerings. Some dancers are escorts who parade around on stage. They give a nice look at their bodies - for the customers who want to take them for FS ITC. Only when you work them ITC and develop familiarity - will you get them to consent to OTC sex.
This is my preference. I don’t live in NV where there are legal brothels - with a line up to select from. I don’t like taking chances on escorts - and dealing with bait and switch tactics.
If street whores were better looking - and there were less issues with LE - that might be an alternative - but it’s not good in the rough NJ areas.
If you find the right club, it’s nearly a sure thing. You go in, spot the girl of your taste, small talk, strike a deal, and mission accomplished. No appointments. No screening. No bait & switch. And you can usually get a number for OTC, meaning instead of a 15 min BNG, you can meet for an hour for not much more $.
Hoarker makes an important point - as the switch from club to hotel will result in more comfortable arrangements, and a longer session too - but the cost will be comparable to the itc rate.
By taking the dancer out of the club - she gets all of the money. There’s no additional hands taking cuts of her cash. So it’s money well spent too.
Once a price is negotiated with a stripper, the price isn't going to change. Whatever she lets happen and how ever long it goes on is covered by the agreed upon price. An escort will bring up the extra charges.
A stripper is more likely to get into it. To tell you what it is she wants, what gets her off. An escort is there to get you off. A stripper is there to have sex with you.
Because where I live, the dancers are a lot hotter than escorts.
As for how common it is for dancers to meet their customers outside the club for whatever activities. It depends on the city and the club. In most clubs I would say it's under five percent if of the dancers. The places where it is common it's over 1/3 the dancers, and often dances in the club are just for both the dancer and customer to get an idea if they want more later.
Some cities ITC is fun enough, and most dancers that work in such clubs, while they may offer everything in the club, are very picky with who they see outside the club.
Most of the dancers who have offered to see me outside the club, mentioned they would rather not give the club their cut. Many make the mistake of asking for twice the half hour rate for an hour. The ones I consider seeing just want a small amount over a half hour price for a full hour.
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A big difference between the two is the minimum cost of access. An escort is going to require you to pay $300, $400, or more up front just off her photos, emails, and phone conversation before you have a chance to see if she's legitimate or not. You can have a stripper in your lap for free (minus the cost of cover charge and minimum drinks) and can see if the stripper might be worth it or not; a stripper that lets you do something for free is going to let you do it in exchange for payment.
Strippers also cost less if you get ripped off. Strippers tend to be pay as you go so as soon as you're not satisfied, you can stop payment. Escorts need payment up front and if she sucks or you get robbed, you're out a whole lot of money.
I personally don’t use escorts as such, strippers, are a lot more fun as a group and you get the opportunity to see if there is a connection before plunging into the deep end of the pool. I don’t like getting intimate with a woman I don’t know at least superficially. But that’s just me, I’d guess that those folks that see escorts regularly have their own reasons for doing so, I only speak for myself.
For me, it boils down to what kind of time I’m looking for. *Most* of the time, I’m looking for a longer, more relaxed, less scripted experience than most escorts provide. In addition to being able to meet and talk in the club before even considering meeting up outside the club, strippers are much more likely to offer that type of experience.
Make no mistake, I have no illusions about exactly why a dancer would stoop to having sex with an old, fat, ugly guy such as myself. It’s the money. However, strippers (at least the ones in whom *I* am interested) are much more likely to be open to adding “fun” to the mix, whereas escorts, IME, are much more about getting the job done and getting gone.
When my ATF/SB/mistress/girlfriend was still around, we spent a lot of time together, and not all of it was fucking. I still gave her money, but she never watched the clock beyond “I gotta be home by x:xx.” It was as often me wrapping things up as it was her.
Aces!
It started with us meeting ITC a few weeks prior. She is hot as hell and healthy looking, seemingly free of hard core drugs. She was also a blast to spend time with and we were able to chat easily. After seeing her a couple of times, I was moved to seek out OTC. She refused at first, but eventually relented. On the night of the meetup, we got together for a couple of drinks and had a fun chat. Then we went to my hotel and she had sex with me like I was her long lost boyfriend just returning from deployment.
None of the handful of times that I dialed an escort were ever remotely like that. The meetings were transactional and rushed and rarely did the girls look as good as their pictures. OTC strippers and escorts simply don't act the same in most cases, unless of course one picks up his date from one of the high volume extras clubs. Also, the sad reality is that a high percentage of escorts have substance abuse problems, which you often do not see until they show up at your door. It is also far easier for some anonymous escort to run a grab and dash than it is for a girl who lives in the community and has been dancing at the same club for a length of time.
I could go on, but there it is. Meeting the girl in person and getting to know her is a huge advantage. I didn't even get to the LE issues with dialing up random escorts or even just being listed in their contact databases. Go on a site like usasexguide and not only are they complaining about all of the other shit discussed above (drugs, ripoffs, bait and switch), but they are also constantly sweating exposure to undercover stings or escort agency prosecutions. Those of us who find girls in clubs, however, have virtually no realistic LE exposure and have a much easier time managing the other exposures. I pay a bit of a premium to pick up girls from the clubs, but it is 100% worth it to me.
The whole "you don't get to preview an escort before hand" argument is solved by doing your research, making appts with escorts with incall locations, and having the backbone to turn around and walk out if you get there and she is nothing like you were led to believe.
I've been involved with strip clubs and escorts a long time, and haven't seen any indication one group is more likely to be I to drugs than the other. If anything, the escorts I knew had their shit together better than most strippers.
Excellent point, and it works in the other direction as well, at least in clubs where one is known. I’ve been going to local clubs since I moved here 20 years ago, and even if a specific girl doesn’t know me, somebody else, e.g. the bartender, will at least know I’m not LEO or ABC.
The OP asked about seeing an escort when we just want to get off. That’s a really good question given how much angst gets expressed here about trying to fuck strippers.
With going to a strip club it is normally a same day or even spur of the moment event for me.
SA has replaced seeing escorts over the past three-four years but again unless you have someone you are seeing as on a regular basis and you live in the same area it isn't as spontaneous as going to a club.
That's not always true. In some clubs, completely false.
Classically it was for sugar baby/sugar daddy relationships but it is more like tinder with payment these days. Possible types of arrangements there run the gamut.
Search this on google to find threads here about it: "seeking arrangement site:tuscl.net"
You might want to sign up just for fun to see what kind of messages you get!
However, the mix of dancers in NJ clubs also provides a mix of offerings. Some dancers are escorts who parade around on stage. They give a nice look at their bodies - for the customers who want to take them for FS ITC. Only when you work them ITC and develop familiarity - will you get them to consent to OTC sex.
This is my preference. I don’t live in NV where there are legal brothels - with a line up to select from. I don’t like taking chances on escorts - and dealing with bait and switch tactics.
If street whores were better looking - and there were less issues with LE - that might be an alternative - but it’s not good in the rough NJ areas.
By taking the dancer out of the club - she gets all of the money. There’s no additional hands taking cuts of her cash. So it’s money well spent too.
Once a price is negotiated with a stripper, the price isn't going to change. Whatever she lets happen and how ever long it goes on is covered by the agreed upon price. An escort will bring up the extra charges.
A stripper is more likely to get into it. To tell you what it is she wants, what gets her off. An escort is there to get you off. A stripper is there to have sex with you.
As for how common it is for dancers to meet their customers outside the club for whatever activities. It depends on the city and the club. In most clubs I would say it's under five percent if of the dancers. The places where it is common it's over 1/3 the dancers, and often dances in the club are just for both the dancer and customer to get an idea if they want more later.
Some cities ITC is fun enough, and most dancers that work in such clubs, while they may offer everything in the club, are very picky with who they see outside the club.
Most of the dancers who have offered to see me outside the club, mentioned they would rather not give the club their cut. Many make the mistake of asking for twice the half hour rate for an hour. The ones I consider seeing just want a small amount over a half hour price for a full hour.