Most Permissive States/Areas

Detroit--or so I've been told.

Flight Club Detroit - combo of upscale and UHM - OTC doable like any other place

Papi, do you really think Detroit is more permissive than Miami ?

Diamond Dolls Pompano (north of Miami) - good-looking Latinas willing and able - main drawback they speak little English but the language of love is international - OTC is doable like any club but the language barrier may be a limiting factor

@Warrior

Detroit is probably #1 in UHM IMO - seems in many clubs they almost look at you weird if u just want a dance

Follies Atlanta but it's midtier compared to Vegas - Follies is almost like a Roman orgy

^ Follies is midtier and a little seedy

Deans Gold North Miami - upscale - good-looking girls - anything can be had but pricey

That's why if I had to pick anywhere in the US to go clubbing it would be South Florida. Heard diamond dolls is a fun place. Papi you spoke my language when you mentioned Latinas!

Tootsies Miami - anything can be had but seems to have more detractors than Diamond Dolls and Deans

Portland is not big on ITC. It happens* but there are a good portion of strippers that are into OTC instead. Stripping is just a way for some of them to advertise for OTC.

*Just the other day my ATF DS and I found a condom wrapper on the floor of one of the private booths.

I think Portland is one of the best cities for having a wide variety of clubs that range between permissive of extras to one-way touch only. Plus you can go to a fine upscale gentleman's club or a neighborhood dive bar with a pole and stage as an afterthought. There's a little bit of everything in terms of strip clubs here.

If money is no object and you want maximum ITC or debauchery, San Francisco is a good city for it. The only drawback is cost.

Phoenix, Albuquerque, LA, and Seattle are all good cities for at least high mileage clubs, extras ITC can be had, and there are strippers brave enough to openly offer it.

The cities I would not make any effort to visit just to club for extras are Nashville, San Jose, Sacramento, Reno, and Boise. I have had good times myself at clubs in all these cities, but in general they aren't as permissive than the cities I mentioned earlier.

I like Diamond Dolls, also. My recent visit there was a good time, talking with Papi and having a light dinner, very tasty one.

Great list! Papi, I’m unfamiliar with the term ‘UHM’???

UHM - Ultra High Mileage

(Trying to avoid using the term extras)

i’m glad that only us mongers can understand this. ha!

Being cost conscious as I am...

Taking $$$ into account which is better value, Detroit or SoFla?

I really have mostly clubbed in S Florida, but I’ve found being local, and/or being familiar with the local area helps a lot. It seems YMMV is very true.

Within the next few years, I would like to visit Miami. Until then, I can’t give a fair comparison between Detroit and Miami since I’ve only been to clubs in Detroit.

Based on what I know, Miami has one clear advantage over Detroit in that you get to see the whole package on stage. Miami clubs are nude while Detroit clubs are topless. I think Detroit has the advantage when it comes to cost of dances. Detroit clubs have their VIP priced per song, or whatever amount you negotiate with your dancer. From what I understand, in Miami you usually have to buy a block of time (15 minutes, 30 minutes, etc) and on top of that, what you negotiate with your dancer in addition to the cost for the room.

Miami will be more expensive than detroit in many ways but might have hotter girls. If you want cheap value try atlanta the clubs hsve $5 or $10 dances.

Well, if you really want to get permissive and it's cheap also. There is always Zona Norte in TJ.

@Papi - to go offtopic, you mention UHM as a replacement for xtras, but in my mind I've always seperated any level mileage with that. In other words, to me mileage is anything the dancer is willing to let you do as part of the regular cost/process of the dance (with UHM being stick shifting, FIV, purposeful LDKing for the crowd that cares for that, etc...), while xtras is anything negotiated above and beyond that.

Am I alone in this mindset?

"Am I alone in this mindset?"

Probably not. But there's a range. In the TUSCL glossary you have at least two choices side by side.

UHM - Ultra High Mileage
VHM - Very High Mileage

Full Contact dances could turn into both, or neither. But what you're getting in discussions like these are people acting like they're saying the same thing when they're often not. TUSCL is better than other forums because there's a good attempt at agreed upon terms. For most of the frequent posters, I've seen enough of the their writing to track whether their idea of UHM is HM for me.

@a21

You are correct - it's just that in the current FOSTA climate with websites being taken down, I thought it'd perhaps be kosher to minimize the topic/mention of extras

I've never clubbed in Miami (its on my list!) so I can't offer a side by side comparison with Detroit. One thing that I can say about Detroit is that it offers a selection of clubs, ranging from high end (Flight Club, Penthouse (when it reopens)), to mid tier (Coliseum, Landing Strip, BT's Dearborn, Cricket, Players) to lower tier (Bogarts, Henry VIII, N and S) establishments. I have not mentioned all of the options. Prices are reasonable and probably lower than Miami. The wild card with Detroit is a recent uptick in law enforcement activities directed at strip clubs (e.g., a few raids to check dance cards and insure that dancers are properly clothed, some LEO action that seems to have resulted in Penthouse shutting down and remodeling it private dance area). To my knowledge, the suburbs have been less affected than clubs within the city of Detroit.

One word
AKRON

Providence, RI
Bridgeport, CT
Paterson, NJ
East St Louis/Washington Park, IL
Detroit, MI
Miami, FL

All of these have multiple clubs where extras are the norm and expected.

"Follies is almost like a Roman orgy"

:) :) :)

Papi +20

SJG

Digi - I need to save that list of cities.

Tijuana, Mexico

"Inside" the United States...the "Tijuana of the North"...Detroit, MI.

I've only clubbed in Ontario, Canada...Tijuana, Mexico....Southern California....Illinois...Indiana...Lansing, MI...Detroit, MI...and Denver, CO. The only other place close to Detroit was Southern California...but much more hit an miss.

Like what was said above; going into a strip club in Detroit and NOT expecting extras usually throws them off a bit. Southern California it really depends on which place you choose. There are some that are very "strictly dancing" and others that are just hangouts for escorts.

If you're in an area and want to club regularly, I suggest using this site...trying out multiple places...then deciding on some favortites. Try not to "just go once"...strip clubs have off days just like anywhere else. But, if you're visiting an area...then you gotta try and read what you can from the cryptic reviews (cryptic on purpose) and hope you make the right choice.

At the end of the day...$$$ equals sex. If you got cash...most strippers will let you do anything to them short of lighting them on fire. It's just a matter of how much cash you want to spend.