Trump to meet with Kim
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I can see it now, Trump takes Dennis Rodman to the meeting to dazzle Kim while Elton John sings Rocket Man in the background. :D
There's already lots of speculation regarding how this will turn out and it remains to be seen if it even happens but if Trump is successful in getting NK to drop their nuclear arsenal he will have accomplished what his predecessors tried and couldn't do yet the naysayers will still spin a false narrative in their attempts to discredit Trump.
I'm far from a Trump fanboy but I wish him well and hope that he pulls this off.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/m…
There's already lots of speculation regarding how this will turn out and it remains to be seen if it even happens but if Trump is successful in getting NK to drop their nuclear arsenal he will have accomplished what his predecessors tried and couldn't do yet the naysayers will still spin a false narrative in their attempts to discredit Trump.
I'm far from a Trump fanboy but I wish him well and hope that he pulls this off.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/m…
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Dougster appears to be gone, why don't you just go back to posting as your random member moniker?
I wrote on another thread that Trump deserves a lot of credit if he can pull this off. Not because Trump is any sort of genius; rather because Jong-Un perceives Trump to be as dangerous, unstable, and childlike as he is. They understand each other.
^LOL !!
Some good things *could* result from these talks, but denuclearization isn't one of them.
Also, North Korea has made agreements and concessions in previous talks only to completely blow them off after the fact.
I remain highly skeptical.
Is it like “hey Kim, nobody gives a fuck what you do over here in your country, but could you at least stop running around and saying you’re going to nuke the entire planet? Do that and we’ll drop some sanctions so your people can actually eat something other than leaves off trees and grass.”
Caveat... several former Eastern Bloc countries wanted Russian nukes out of their borders when the Soviet Union collapsed. Those countries lacked the funding, staffing, infrastructure, and political will to maintain nukes. So, different motivations as compared to North Korea.
That’s the reverse of the Clinton agreement where NK got food and energy in return for an unverifiable promise to stop their nuke program. We see how that worked out.
Right. You’re forgetting this is Trump we’re talking about.
CNN) US President Donald Trump's decision to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un "was not a surprise in any way," US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Friday, less than a day after the top US diplomat said conditions were not yet ripe for negotiations with North Korea.
Speaking to reporters in Djibouti, the latest stop on his week-long tour of Africa, Tillerson explained the sudden shift by saying it was "a decision the President took himself" after having the matter "on his mind for quite some time."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com…
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I admit that I work full-time and have not been following every detail. But didn't Tillerson say, just a few hours ago, that a meeting with Jung Un wouldn't be realistic or prudent yet? You know, the same Tillerson who once called Trump a moron? This is the same Trump who announced a tariff with bothering to tell his chief economic adviser.
Trump does everything else in the most impetuous way without absorbing any details or doing any preparation. Why should this be any different?
I said "No country that has achieved nuclear weaponry has ever given it up."
Libya had a program (half-assed and under funded). They had not fielded a functional nuke. North Korea has actually achieved nuclear weaponry. I'm sticking by my original assertion.
Please... show me where that's written in stone. And then account for the personalities of both Trump and Kim.
^That was my impression as well. If they had any weapons (WMDs) those were likely gifts from the USSR.
It's like going to all of the hard work to be an entrepreneur. Starting a business. Working with regulations and bureaucracy for years so you can turn a profit after years of diligent work. Then once you have the money. eh, I don't want it, I'd feel better if I didn't have it. I'll just give it all away. Job creation is its own reward.
The reason for analogy is most nations undertake a (supposed) peaceful nuclear energy program with the (unstated) goal that the industrial by-products energy generation are a weapons program. That's how you know the politicians are lying. Then they say they are only doing for peaceful energy. Sure 'ya are. I know because as a physics egghead myself I was once naive and bought into the lie too.
Trump defeats ISIS
AT: He’s an incompetent idiot.
Trump passes tax reform, wages and jobs grow
AT: He’s an incompetent idiot
Trump gets rocketman to agree to end Nukes
AT: He’s an incompetent idiot.
I predict we have 7 more years of this pattern.
^The rockets in those parades always look like empty Pringles cans turned sideways to me. So now we know where all those potato chips went.
A) Can someone please explain to me why it should matter to us whether or not NK has nukes? Russia has over a thousand of them and so do we. What's one more nuclear missile in the world, more or less? Especially since it's thousands of miles away from us.
B) How would this deal be any different from the Iran nuclear deal which, if you believe Trump, might as well have been written on LegalZoom because it's so amateur-hour? Any thoughts?
NK doesn’t have any whores to compete with her! It’s worth a try. Just tell her that her hush money is in a designer handbag on AF1.
Except for one critical detail... he hasn't convinced Kim to do anything. I mean, we'll see (a) what comes out of the talks and (b) if Kim actually follows through on any agreement (he hasn't in the past). But there's more reason to believe that this is another dead end.
I don't say that because I don't like Trump. I say it because the survival of the Kim regime in North Korea hinges on the credible threat of a nuclear strike.
Kim looks like a muppet, but he's not stupid. He saw what happened to both Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi. The surest way to not repeat those bits of history is to keep his nukes.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nic…
For extra laughs, read the comments below the article. The roasts are brutal.
The US should have never gotten involved in Libya's civil war. There were no good guys, it was ISIS and the Islamic brotherhood against Ghaddafi. But our dipshit SecState and her dipshit boss spent the better part of two terms being the Islamic Brotherhood's cockholsters, so they aided the worse guys against the bad guy. The worse guys thanked us by attacking our destroying our Mission in Benghazi.
If anyone wants the correct information regarding Libya and Dubya here it is from no less an authority than the Brookings institute
Why Libya Gave Up on the Bomb - Brookings Institution
Brookings Institution › opinions
Trump won't get North Korea to denuclearize. Honestly, I'd like to be wrong about that.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-…
And my first sentence in my OP, Dennis Rodman is live on CNN from Singapore, no Elton John sightings yet. :D
South Africa.
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I think it means that we've legitimized a dictator who murders his own people without getting anything in return.
...but I just had sex with a 21-yr-old blonde, so who cares?
Well, at least you've recognized that there are more important things in life than this kabuki theater. Anyway, inconsistency in politics sure is a funny thing. It reminds me of our brief debate about whether Jerome Powell is qualified to run the Federal Reserve, no?
Kim promised to de-nuclearize? I must have missed this news. In general, this meeting seems similar to A) Obama's meeting with Castro, B) Bill Clinton's announcement of a deal being reached with Kim's father in 1994, and C) the Iran nuclear deal... all of which Trump himself has criticized as basically the worst things to happen to our country ever.
What I meant was that it was Obama who first appointed Powell to the Board in 2012. Did you have any complaints about Obama's choice at the time? Does it seem to you that Obama made an unwise choice?
Fair enough. I happen to think that Powell's six years serving on the Board is a perfectly acceptable credential, if all one cares about is experience. It beats the three years that Bernanke served prior to his being nominated as Chairman. Plus Powell worked in the financial industry for decades, which is every bit as applicable to the role of Chairman of the Federal Reserve as Bernanke's academic career was. Still, you're right, Powell did not study economics in school. But hey, you know who did study economics in school? Donald Trump. And I'm sure you wouldn't want *him* running the Federal Reserve, would you? LOL ;)
Anyway, no, this ranks pretty low on the hypocrisy scale. And for the record, I personally think Bernanke, Yellin, and Powell are all terrible choices.
I had a question that was never addressed, I wonder how these events In Singapore will affect what is going on in Iran, specifically does this make it more or less likely that some improvement will be made in that situation. My thinking was always that WW111 would start in the Middle East not the Far East.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88…
As I was scrolling down, I see jester beat me to it. Check your facts FIRST!
"TRUMP got taken to the cleaners because he is ignorant and monumentally unprepared. What did Kim Jong Un give up with regard to training his million man army ? 12,000 North Korean artillery pieces are locked , loaded and trained on Seoul. He learned Trump is a stupendous fool"
You mean because Trump acted like a grown-up? This is kind of the soft bigotry of low expectations, isn't it LOL? At least you're mature enough to admit when someone you don't like does something that you nonetheless approve of. But I remain extremely skeptical. Even if this deal happens and even if it works the way it's supposed to, I fail to see why it should even matter to us whether North Korea has a nuke.