Girls that are attractive but don't look like a stripper or a hooker thus you feel comfortable using her for enjoyable dates like movies, dinner, lunch ,breakfast, meeting and other occasions...since she looks normal she will always look good around your arm while other men just can't figure it out
Great value on sex, multiple pop's, hang time, sleep overs and a over all good time.
Great and normal conversation over the phone when you desire it
I like girls who look like strippers.
I gotta explore this more. When you create your profile, how much information do they have about you ? Pictures ? Can non-SB access that profile ?
You can put as much or as little information on the site as your comfortable with
Their is even a mode you can stay invisible until you let some one see you for your discretion but you'll pay money for that option I do believe
As always having a picture will help you more than hurt you in getting a lady unless if course your married
I do know guys that use no picture and do just fine
Just get phone numbers and get off the site to do more photo sharing and conversation is my suggestion
Also don't look at the money thing in the profile it's all bull shit
Just talk with the girls and you will find these girls are way more affordable than their profile let's on
Is this in the Asheville area or are you including the upstate of South Carolina as well?
I looked at some other dating site out of curiousity and saw a girl that has already appeared on my suggested friends list on Facebook.
Have you tried doing a reverse image search on Facebook to match up with dating site profile pics? Seems sneaky though but if possible, someone may be doing it already.
Hopefully no one hacked my profile pic. I have no idea why all these people from foreign countries are all over my suggested friends list.
I REALLY like girls that look like strippers. Daddy's little girl, but with an edge.
So at First glance it looks like most of the girls are looking for a long term “commitment” is that not so?
-->"I like girls who look like strippers."
I don't know what it's like where juice is looking, but in my area, a huge % of the girls on SA are strippers or ex-strippers. The last date I was on, last weekend, turned out to be a stripper. Good news is, strippers and ex-stripper, look like strippers and are fun like strippers. Bad news, they're as reliable as strippers :) There are plenty of non-strippers out on SA too, obviously, but if you're looking for a stripper type, they're very easy to find
-->"So at First glance it looks like most of the girls are looking for a long term “commitment” is that not so?"
Absolutely, positively not so. Or rather, they may be looking for a long-term arrangement, but in the year+ I've been on, the number of women who didn't go along with "I'm looking for a long-term arrangement, but I think we should go per-meeting allowance for a while until we're both sure we want to commit" is exactly zero. Every single woman has been fine with starting per-date, as long as I paid lip service to wanting to go longer-term eventually. In my case, it wasn't really lip service, I'd like to find one great long-term arrangement, so it was sincere, but in any case -- no, no need for starting off long term.
I feel like I'm out of the loop, what's a SA?
I thought about doing SA. I signed up on the website and started checking out the profiles although I haven't messaged anyone yet. I'm still not convinced. I'm worried that it might be too much like regular civilian dating. For guys who are married and haven't been on a real first-date in a long time, allow me to remind you: civilian dating is soooo fucking boring. Basically you do all the shit that the chick wants to do, and she does none of the shit that you want her to do. Rinse and repeat. Boring. Is SA anything like that? Because I don't need to pay for that. I can get that for free. I just want to get laid with a hot chick.
While I'm at it, I'm not especially thrilled with hookers either. Half the time they don't look nearly as good as they do in their pictures. In fact, on "classy" websites like BP, they're often completely fake pictures. And if you aren't careful and lucky, fake pictures are the least of your worries.
Strippers are ok, but very expensive considering what you're getting, plus the ROB factor is always a real possibility. And they're as flaky as any adult human being has a right to be.
So what are my remaining options? I wish there were still some brothels around.
SA = Seeking Arrangements. It's a site where Sugar Babies seek money and Sugar Daddies seek sex.
I'll take your overload on for a small fee, Juice. :)
-->"I'm worried that it might be too much like regular civilian dating."
I think the good thing about SA is: it's going to be like whatever you want it to be like. I have found everything on SA from "arrangements" that are really no different from seeing an escort (meet for an hour or two, have sex, don't talk to each other again until next time) to classic arrangements, to everything in between. The old timers say SA at one time was mostly populated by women who wanted classic arrangements, but these days, for nearly any kind of situation you want, there's people who will accommodate. I haven't found anything that's remotely close to civilian dating; and if you think about it, why in the world would anyone who is on SA want anything remotely close to that?
For me personally, OTCing is a better match for the experience I'm looking for. But SA doesn't suffer from some of the worries people have had in this thread; if you don't want to have it feel like dating, or want to pay by the date instead of by the month, or want a girl who does or does not look like a stripper, or whatever else, there's zillions of girls who'll play along with that. It's worth at least exploring on SA a bit; taken as a group, I find the women on SA excruciatingly flakey, and like BP hookers or even civilians on Match they are reliably less attractive than their pics, those have been the most challenging aspects for me on SA. But no challenges at all about per-date payments, arrangements that feel like dating, etc.
BHF makes several pertinent points. I agree - the last thing I want is civilian dates (at a high cost).
There would be virtually no one on SA if it were anything like civilian dating, I'd bet! I agree that civilian dating isn't exactly fun, no guy is looking to pay big bucks for that
I think the good thing about SA is: it's going to be like whatever you want it to be like
Bingo
In my radios it's nothing but a bunch of college girls and soccer moms
Admit it, Juice. The one that wanted you to take her out to eat chacken fangers you like the most.
The point about SA that those who are say it’s like civilians dating is because you are approaching it the wrong way. It’s like dating strippers think about it this way, it’s your money, you get to decide what you want to do unless you are just a total pussy.
@Burlington: "For guys who are married and haven't been on a real first-date in a long time, allow me to remind you: civilian dating is soooo fucking boring."
Really? Because I would sell my soul to the devil to be 20-yrs-old again and date college girls for free.
I still don't agree with many of your assertions, @Subra. I've had some problems with accurate pictures, but only about 10% of the time. SA girls have been far less flaky than strippers. Maybe <5% on SA are strippers and the true gems are just college girls.
(less than) 5% are strippers. The true gems are just college girls.
(Gotta remind myself that the less-than symbol can't be used on TUSCL).
RM: I don't have any basis to judge what percent overall on the site are strippers,of course. But among the women who are attractive enough that I reach out to them, and eventually meet (that is, the self-selected group that make it to a meeting with me), a pretty good number are strippers or ex-strippers, way more than 5%. There's any number of cases where I would not have known they were strippers (or ex-) if I hadn't asked the right questions. Could be there's multiple factors going on here, from different areas getting different women, to you and I consciously or subconsciously pursuing different types of women and so ending up in first meetings with different types, and me specifically asking the right questions to get her to volunteer that she's a stripper...
On pics, my experience is pretty consistent across SA, sex ad media (e.g., for FBSM providers), and even sites like Match (which I use for my civilian dating life): everyone uses their best pics, often somewhat older pics, and don't update those pics if they gain weight (for example)... to me, it's just become a universal truth about picture-based media used to sell yourself
Was SA the one that got its database hacked?
No that was the site that marketed that it catered to married people having affairs, ashleymadison.com Remarkably, I believe it's still up and running
@Subra: I've read that San Francisco is the worst place in America for men looking for SBs. Too many rich young guys in the tech industry, and a dearth of women -- again due to the heavy concentration of tech.
@Dougster, you should stay on the board.
I can't think of a good reason not to at least try it as opposed to strippers. Maybe I could "mentor" some Ivy league girls in the arts of trolling strip club message boards and in crypto-currency analysis.
Get some econ major at Columbia or NYU who needs mentoring to get into the finance sector
^^^ I like the way you think!
I have a local college nearby. That might explain why when I looked at the site, I saw several girls who said if you want sex look elsewhere. I never see that crap on a dating site. I don't know what they are thinking if they think some rich guy wants to pay them to just hang out with them in public or something. I'd prefer a dating site over that crap. Of course not all girls posted that. Some profiles looked like regular dating site profiles and some said they were up for a good time even though I saw some extra comments that they were not prostitutes so if that's all you wanted, look elsewhere. Might be just my local area.
orionmsmith: " I don't know what they are thinking if they think some rich guy wants to pay them to just hang out with them in public or something."
There absolutely are guys rich enough and weird enough that they would pay just to hang out with hot girls. How many is another question. Hopefully it's not many, but they definitely exist. Interestingly girls tend to think of them as "cool" if there real is no hidden sex agenda. If they just say they don't want sex when they do, then they are viewed as losers.
-->"I saw several girls who said if you want sex look elsewhere."
Orion, they may not mean what you think they mean. In my area, at least, there are VERY few women who outright say "no sex, platonic only" .. 1% at most? Whereas a good number of women say things like, "if you're only looking for sex, look elsewhere". Why do they say that? Because a lot of men on the site are basically using SA as an alternative to BP, and they send messages to the women that simply read things like, "how about $300 for an hour?". Of course, there are a LOT of escorts on SA, and they are very receptive to such straightforward messages. But to the "regular girls", who would not otherwise be part of the sex industry and need the justification of a multi-faceted arrangement to participate, they find it incredibly vulgar and demeaning. So they try to weed out the johns by making sure the guys know there is a "chemistry" hurdle.
My experience with such girls is that in the end, it's really all about respect. Don't send them "how about $300 for an hour?", send them a respectful introduction. When I get to the point where we meet in person, they are just as likely as any other girl on SA to have sex on the first or second date.
So, anyway, long way of saying: I take "I am not here for sex" seriously, and I avoid such girls. But "if you're only looking for sex, move along", is just a girl who is feeling demeaned and frustrated, trying to tell you to put up a little charade of courting.
-->"There absolutely are guys rich enough and weird enough that they would pay just to hang out with hot girls. How many is another question. Hopefully it's not many, but they definitely exist"
Agree, but to hear the girls tell it, it's exceedingly rare. Maybe some really skilled girls can pull it off again and again, but as the last girl I met said, "I can't even get guys to pay for the first (no-sex) meeting". I have a feeling it's like financial domination -- yes, the girls dream of getting money just for being hot, and I believe it happens, but I think beyond a few girls who are really good at pulling it off, it's not really a factor. I continue to think orion might have over-summarized what he's reading on those girls' profiles -- around here they are almost never indicating platonic-only, but rather that there's a chemistry hurdle and they want a respectful interaction.
Interestingly, and probably not surprisingly, many of the conversations about "sugaring" on StripperWeb are the girls absolutely convincing each other that sex is not a required part of an SD/SB relationship and claiming they never had sex with their SDs.
My first SA experience last night with a MILF was A+, until she fell asleep in her bed ha ha. Not so funny this morning though when I was kind of worried if she was really "just asleep". A text from here alleviated that worry. Never really had that worry, but the rest was awesome. Made out like teenagers in the car. And it only cost me concert tix (cheap), and some drinks. Have one more setup coming up in 2 weeks in LA with a hot blonde 22 year old. $500 for a night; $1000 if we end up making it a weekend. Will do dinner, comedy club and then "see where that takes us" (her words). She gave me hotel recommendations. Honestly, kind of loving this so far, will gladly update on that date. 1-1 on SA, while I was 0-4 on backpage/escort sites.
Subra. Good points. It's also possible I read a few comments from girls who didn't want propositions from guys and they were merely checking out the site like me but posted more info than I did. I know curiousity can get you on the site. For a female, she might wonder, are there really rich guys on there just wanting someone to be friends with and willing to pay? If I thought there might be a rich hot female and if I wasn't interested in more, I would get curious too. I do remember some girls weren't back on for months.
I feel like branching out from the club experience, and started texting BackPage ladies this weekend. I have one incall massage set up this week, basic price for an hour before tipping for extras, is about what 15 minutes in a club costs...
We have a lot of threads about the demise of clubbing, and I have had several conversations with 30ish strippers who also tell me that the clubs used to be better. The internet has opened up numerous ways to meet loose women, while clubs have become more expensive with less privacy as they add cameras and open up VIP areas.
Then there was one girl that posted if her parents knew she was on the site, not good. Staying away from such girls.
My experience is that you can literally find women for whatever type of arrangement you want. Some will say platonic, but the vast majority expect an intimate relationship. Some want to be wined and dined, some expect just an hour or two. Mostly what I'm finding is that they don't want somebody weird or creepy. It takes some effort but it is easy to find someone you will like
But to the "regular girls", who would not otherwise be part of the sex industry and need the justification of a multi-faceted arrangement to participate, they find it incredibly vulgar and demeaning. So they try to weed out the johns by making sure the guys know there is a "chemistry" hurdle.
My experience with such girls is that in the end, it's really all about respect. Don't send them "how about $300 for an hour?", send them a respectful introduction. When I get to the point where we meet in person, they are just as likely as any other girl on SA to have sex on the first or second date.
Bingo
Yes a proper intros is needed way before the money talk...hell most girls will meet for a public dinner date just to see how you click with each other for just the cost of the meal. then the money talk is usually brought up about the arrangement...usually saying words like what kind of donation would allow you to stay the night with me is code for let's have sex...funny thing is they will actually stay all night as well and give multiple pop's...in my experience it's not been any higher than five hundred but then again I shop for sevens with goofy personality
@RandomMember,
Are you sure? I think you mean you would sell your soul to be able to fuck college girls for free. Not date... fuck. Think about all the girls and women you've ever dated or "hung out" with in your life. Now imagine that they are the same exact people, except that they're all dudes instead. Everything about them is exactly the same except that they're full-on dudes with Adam's apples, stubble, a dick, and everything. How interesting would these guys be? Their personalities and stories and behavior is the same, except now it's a man sitting across the table from you. I assume you're straight, so would you really still want to hang out with them knowing that they're men instead of women? I can't answer for you, but I know I wouldn't. Because women and men bore each other. And that's because the genders are very different from each other. That's why I say dating is boring. It's just a lead-up to fucking. That's my opinion.
@burlingtonhofactory
Have you tried slightly higher end escorts? That’s not on backpage? Like the 4-600 range which is probably around the range of a decent otc and what sa girls are looking for. Girls with good reviews usually have correct pics. That seems to be more of what you’re looking for.
Or a trip to Detroit of course
@Playademan,
I tried a high-end escort once. I kept trying to arrange a date with her for months. It took forever. She was a student, plus working a vanilla job full-time, and escorting on the side, so she was constantly busy. She needed to verify me by calling me on my work phone, which I wasn't crazy about, but I accepted it. I did tell her that I didn't want to have a whole conversation on my work line, that she could listen to my voice to verify that I was who I said I was, and then we could have a cell phone conversation later on. But she kept trying to discuss things on my work landline! I quickly hung up and called her back on my cell. Anyway, after months of back and forth calls, cancelled appointments, rescheduling, etc., we finally met. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't worth the wait and I wouldn't repeat.
Also, most of these high-end escorts work in the big cities, but I live far out in the suburbs. I don't want to spend 4 hours on the road for an hour of pussy, and I don't like being in a place where there's no parking for my car, which leaves NYC and Philadelphia out.
But really, the number one issue for me is that I want pussy on demand. I don't want to have to wait to get screened and then schedule for a week from Tuesday. That's my main gripe.
^ I tried to start an escort version of LMTT (Last Minute Tee Time) where escorts could post same day available appts. I used the tag line:
I'm horny now, not a week from now.
I have a steady SB I met thru SA. We usually plan ahead for our dates, but now that we have an established relationship, if I'm feeling randy I can text her and so far she has always been available.
It is not very common to find a girl from SA willing to have sex on the first date, unless you've been in contact a lot via phone/text before the first date, or you're willing to make a very good PPM (pay per meet) offer.
It's not common but I have had it happen --more than once actually.
Let her take the lead.
-->"It is not very common to find a girl from SA willing to have sex on the first date, unless you've been in contact a lot via phone/text before the first date, or you're willing to make a very good PPM (pay per meet) offer."
Again, it could be a factor of geographic differences -- and in particular, how desperate women are here, in the most expensive area in the country -- but not only is it NOT uncommon to find a woman who is willing to have sex on the first date, but many women won't even meet me without at least that as an option (I think they want at least a possibility of compensation, if they come to the meet&greet, and I make it clear that I won't compensate without intimacy).
In other news, I"m pretty sure I had a first today: an SA meet&greet with a woman who was better looking than her pics. And not just a little bit -- 7-7.5 face in her pic, 8.5 face IRL. Maybe this is an omen. She was also one of the first in a while who insisted that the meet&greet be absolutely no-intimacy, and we could consider that for next time.
@Burlington: "Because women and men bore each other."
So you've never found someone interesting enough to settle down with?
If you're the kind of guy who thinks women were placed on planet Earth to such your dick (e.g., @JohnSmith) you'll probably be happier in a strip club; the kind of guy looking for an interesting and sexy date will be happier in the sugaring world. The founder of SA is this nerdy Asian guy from MIT, and I think the original concept was to match college girls with guys with money. SA may have evolved a lot since then, but girls with edu emails still get free premium accounts. I think a lot of the guys in the bowl are looking for more of a complete experience which includes some sort of connection in addition to sex. Hopefully SA will not devolve into another backpage.
As far as the number of platonic dates before sex, I've never have sex on day of meet@greet. If that's suggested I assume she's a pro (which may be incorrect) and turn it down. Sex is usually 2nd or 3rd date for me. I've met about 10 girls from SA over a period of a little over 2 years.
@RandomMember
"So you've never found someone interesting enough to settle down with?"
Absolutely not. I've always been single. I've never found a woman who has much in common with me, let along someone I would want to settle down with permanently. And I typically lose all interest after having sex with a woman a half a dozen times or so.
"If you're the kind of guy who thinks women were placed on planet Earth to such your dick..."
I don't feel that way at all. I just think that men and women are very different from each other; anyone who says otherwise is lying to you and to him or herself (perhaps they have some kind of agenda). We have different goals, different outlooks, different wants and needs, different standards, different everything. To me, it's too wide a gap to be bridged. I also think that, if men judged women by the same standards by which they judge other men, they would quickly realize how boring the average woman really is and how little she really has in common with you. If your guy friends behaved like your female "friends"... well, then they probably wouldn't remain your guy friends for long. Men put up with it because women are bringing something else to the table - namely pussy or the potential for pussy. Just like women put up with us because we're bringing something to the table - namely whatever it is that they find appealing in a man (dick, money, ambition, etc.).
It's a common feature of people in my generation that men often have platonic female friends, and I'm no exception. But I want to fuck every single one of them. And if I didn't, they wouldn't be my "friends." Because then there wouldn't be much else to build a "friendship" around. We just have nothing substantial in common.
As for the SA thing, if you're not having sex on the first or second date, are you still paying them for the first two dates? How much do you usually give them for this? Or do you just buy lunch/dinner?
I think a lot of the guys in the bowl are looking for more of a complete experience which includes some sort of connection in addition to sex. Hopefully SA will not devolve into another backpage.
That's me in a nutshell
As for the SA thing, if you're not having sex on the first or second date, are you still paying them for the first two dates? How much do you usually give them for this? Or do you just buy lunch/dinner?
Some guys will pay a girl a hundred or two plus the expense of the date
I don't because I feel these dates are to feel each other out. I do cover the expense of the meal, movie or whatever we do that night...plus if I had a girl travel to see me I will pay her travel expenses but I will not just give her cash for the fuck of it.
When I ask for the dinner dates I will let them know if things work out I'll desire to arrange a overnight visit for the five hundred
This has been a very successful strategy for me
I've also have noticed and as well has some of my other monger friends have noticed the ROBs seam to push for money for those dinner dates...these same girls will also try and get you to send them money with pay pal so they can pay some kind of emergency...just avoid these girl's...your better off
Absolutely not. I've always been single. I've never found a woman who has much in common with me, let along someone I would want to settle down with permanently. And I typically lose all interest after having sex with a woman a half a dozen times or so.
After my divorce from my high school sweetheart I became this guy after deeply analysis the idea and motivation of majority of relationship
I think the only reason I got married was because I was young dump and blinded by some amazing pussy lol
If I had been older I honestly don't think it would've happened
@BHF "are you still paying them for the first two dates? How much do you usually give them for this? Or do you just buy lunch/dinner?"
The answer is all over the place. Me, personally, I don't offer a ppm/allowance for M&G platonic dates, but I only date relatively local girls. Some guys only date imports, so they offer them a "travel fee". Other guys are in denial about paying for sex, so they "pay for her time" everytime they see a girl even if there is no sex.
From the girls' POV it's the same: some believe the stories they hear on "girls' groups" (beauty product FB groups, yoga forums, etc) that girls are getting big money from guys with no sex involved (possible, but probably not common) at one extreme; at the other extreme some girls have a high sex drive and will have sex on a first date (if she doesn't get money from you, she's just gonna go pick up some guy in a bar and fuck him for free); most will be in the middle and want 1 or more M&G dates to get to know you and be willing to start sex when you are willing to start money.
My profile says I'm willing to go on as many dates as needed for a girl to get to know me, but that the allowance starts only when the intimacy starts. 3 of the last 4 girls I've met in person ended up having sex with me on first date, even though it was not my intention to do so. 2 of those did not even ask about money before hand. Keep in mind - I don't always target the top shelf talent. The top shelf talent can be more choosey and usually go on more M&G dates cause they are holding out for the highest bidder and longest term prospect.
Joc you just said a lot of good Shit right their and I agree with all that brother
Like your profile strategy...if you don't mind I'm going to steal that and implement that into mine
"allowance starts only when the intimacy starts."
Same policy, here, and it weeds out all the escorts.
@Burlington: Even if we don't agree on much, you seem to have a torrent of interesting things to discuss and you might like some of the girls on SA. Maybe give it a try?
" weeds out all the escorts. "
...in other words free meet@greet
Sounds like he should try it for at least a month or two
Hell I've been on the site for two year's now...but never paid the fee and just looked a pics and favored chicks I thought was hot
Usually I got favored back and a message...I was always curious if the fee to read those messages was worth it
After talking with a few friends that had success on the site I figured I needed to give it a solid try so I singed up using pay pal
In a months time I felt good about my investment and have made some connection with some amazing ladies
Is their some BS on the site....as with anything yes but the skills you've learned in the strip clubs will roll over extremely well....it will help in weeding out that shit
Hope you try and then report back on your findings
A good story and more collected data as a group always helps
My copy and pasted offer that I've sent to at least a hundred ladies in a hundred mile radius of my location that hasn't seen one rejection or even a counter offer...
So what kind of an arrangement do you seek...I'm looking for a on call GF ...light texting but not to much ..I'm very busy in my own things honestly...when I do get down time I'm looking for overnight stays that would only be every other week at most to every other month at the least...it would be five hundred to you for each over night stay and I'd cover all expenses....would desire one or two first dinner dates to see if we had a connection...I'd just cover expenses for those...
@RandomMember,
Thank you. I'm going to have some free time later this month and early next, so I think I will try it around that time. I have to admit, I am curious. It can't be much worse than the flakiness of the SC scene or the outright shit-show on BP. (I swear, I will never try BP again as long as I live. Or at least until the next time I get desperate LOL.)
“Mostly what I'm finding is that they don't want somebody weird or creepy.”
@joebr. - we’ll, that eliminates 99% of this board
Bongo
Plus your donation isn't going to some club it's all going to the object of your affection