Legal question about clubbing

I remember seeing it at the hotel bar in BC, Canada back in the 70's. It was legal then for all women to be escorted. I think that is pretty much a thing of the past. I have never seen it happen in a strip club and I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.

Def happens in a lot of clubs, not necessarily the norm, but def happens.

About 2 years ago it was posted here on TUSCL that a popular SoCal club (Paradise) was being sued by a lesbian custy that was denied entry b/c she was not escorted by a guy - and lopaw confirmed that that club would not let her in when she had visited, not sure what the result of the lawsuit was but I would think the club lost.

It is illegal as it would be discrimination. But because its a strip club it is allowed and noone challenges it. The sex industry as a whole(strip clubs, porn, prostitution, which is illegal anyway) is barely, if ever, watched to make sure they are following equal opportunity and non-discrimanation laws. They get away with a lot of shady business practices that woild not be tolerated or allowed anywhere else.

Possible, but seems flimsy. What stops a prostitute from going to the club with her pimp/bodyguard, or even just some guy she knows to get around that rule. I think you're CF got fed a line of bullshit and she then fed it to you.

"but isn’t it illegal to not allow a female in a strip club as a customer—whether she’s alone or with a group of ONLY females?"

Quite possibly. But I wonder about the number of civilian women who would be willing to make it a matter of public record that they were denied entry to a titty bar.

I think that almost all women go to a strip club with a guy or two because they don't want to be perceived as a hooker or off-duty dancer. Nothing to do with club rules.

What is the risk if denying a woman entry. She isnt likely to sue. If she does and wins she wont get much if any money. The worst that happens is the club is ordered to admit women. On the other side, even if it does nothing to stop prostitution, they can point to this policy and local politicians can pretend the club is doing what it can.

I think most times a business denies someone entry b/c of their gender, they'll probably lose - I recall a few years ago a guy suing b/c he was denied entry to an all female gym and a majir women's rights group (can't remember which one) taking sides with the guy b/c they stated men and women should be treated equally (also don't know what the outcome was of the suit)

A very popular club in Hallandale requires hot woman to be with a guy. Now if u look lesbo, they let u in alone.

Another reason that clubs deny single women entry is that they may be wives looking for wayward husbands and they don’t want to deal with the confrontation when it occurs. I have seen that once at an Albuquerque club. They let a single woman in, and almost immediately a man. Likely her husband or significant other, went running out the door. She followed, screaming at the top of her lungs at him. I didn’t quite figure out what was going on until the dancer who was sitting with me explained it and said that the bouncers were instructed not to let in unaccompanied women in the club for that reason. I am sure that it is illegal if anyone wanted not challenge it. It is fairly common to see a group of women in the club though, so that is not threatening I guess.

Possible, but seems flimsy. What stops a prostitute from going to the club with her pimp/bodyguard, or even just some guy she knows to get around that rule. I think you're CF got fed a line of bullshit and she then fed it to you.

Nothing stops a prostitute from going to a club with her pimp in those cases. The only real recourse is the club policing behavior while in the club.

I was in a club a month or two ago and overheard club staff explaining the "you might be prostitutes" thing to a couple of lesbian-looking obvious civvies. In that case the club let them in anyway after hassling them a bit. At the bar, a pimp/prostitute couple (or possibly robbers) were there.

The woman of the couple was trying to flirt with me and after I walked off with my drink, I saw her do the same with another guy. The man of the couple was getting touchy-feely with the bartender and waitress. Club staff was complaining about them after they left, but I'm not sure if they were actually kicked out or left on their own. If they weren't kicked out, it was obviously heading in that direction.

It’s one of those club rules - that probably wouldn’t hold up under legal scrutiny. However, suing a strip club - to get in and spend more money - is one of the dumber things one can do.

I think there was an old bar in the village (McSorleys) that didn’t allow women until the 1980’s. I’m sure that rule was challenged at times too.

You need to look up the local "morality clauses" in the city/ county/ state to see if unaccompanied women are barred to cut down on the risk of prostitution -- I know it was the case years ago in some jurisdiction in both Ohio and Indiana.

I don't know the legalities but i know of at least one area club that had a policy of not admitting women in the club as customers unless they were with a man. I inquired about it and was told it was because they didn't want hookers posing as customers drawing business away from the club by enticing the male customers. I believe that they may have changed that policy since then because the last time i was in that club there was a civie female sitting at the bar drinking by herself.

I'm def no social-justice warrior but something like that cannot be allowed to be gotten away with - a lesbian, or any single woman, should not be be denied entry b/c she's a woman anymore than a black-man should be denied entry b/c of his skin-color and w/e assumptions may be made b/c of his skin color.

And there's nothing wrong w/ a woman visiting a club alone just as guys do - she could be a lesbian; bi-sexual; just curious what a strip-club is like or maybe just enjoys the show; or a dancer wanting to scout SCs to potentially dance at.

On one of my previous trips to Follies a while-back I was staying into the early nightshif after having been there on dayshift - the club was a bit "emptier' by Follies standards and I see a couple (AA-guy w/ a white-chick) sit one table from me - they didn't get any dances but saw them engaging several dancers in convo - I was doing my usual M.O. of getting lots of dances from the chocolate - after a while the AA-guy leans over to me and tells me "I see you like black girls" and then hands me a business card w/ just a website on it - I later look up the website and it was for an escort site so I assume they were there recruiting - the girl w/ him also talked to me and said she was the guy's wife, I guess they wanted to recruit me also as a custy.

I couldn't find the original TUSCL thread about SoCal Paradise club being sued for not allowing a lesbian in solo, but found this latter thread which had a link to an article about the case:

tuscl.net

Below is the text from the article:

"... LOS ANGELES – A lesbian and a strip club have settled the woman’s civil rights lawsuit alleging she was denied access to the Industry establishment because she was not accompanied by a man.

Tamara Yatkin of El Segundo filed the suit against Paradise Showgirls in Los Angeles Superior Court last June, seeking unspecified damages as well as an injunction preventing the club from requiring females to be with men before they are allowed inside.

But on April 7, her attorney filed court papers stating that the case was resolved. No terms were divulged. Trial had been scheduled May 18.

According to the lawsuit, Yatkin, 54, went to the club on Valley Blvd. in June 2013 on the recommendation of a longtime customer. She asked the doorman about the cover charge and whether discounts from other clubs were accepted there, the suit states.

“The man told plaintiff the price and asked (her) if she was alone,” the suit states. “Plaintiff responded yes and the man told (her) she had to be accompanied by a man to enter the club.”

An “incredulous” Yatkin asked if he was joking, but the man replied, “it is policy,” the suit states. He said the establishment “had problems with women entering the club and causing problems,” according to the complaint.

“Plaintiff reassured the man that she was not a problem, that she was a lesbian who wanted to spend money and have a good time,” the suit states.

After Yatkin asked to see the manager, the man stated that he was the manager, the suit states.

Yatkin called Paradise Showgirls during the next two weeks for an explanation of their policy and was told they “could not be bothered,” the suit states. ..."

sgvtribune.com

Many of these strip clubs do try to keep out unescorted women. Seen this at many places, but especially the Hanky Panky, having had legal troubles and being in a bit of a street hooker zone.

Our Mexican bars don't seem to care, and I suspect the ones on International Blvd in Oakland don't care either.

But other times they get in. Usually they lead with "Buy me a drink." This might be a factor in why they are allowed in.

At the Sunnyvale Brass Rail, usually a bunch come in under the cover of the amateur / wet t-shirt contest.

Today, so many lesbian customers, things might be changing. Never seen any of them run off, only hookers.

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There's little dive in my area that had sign at the door when entering. No female entry without male or something like that. I haven't been there in years so I'm not sure if it's still their policy. I noticed but never gave it much thought at the time.

I was told by many strippers that they don't allow women in unless they are escorted in by a man because this keeps the crazy ass wives looking for their husbands out of the stripclubs

In practical terms almost no woman will go to a strip club alone for safety concerns.

But I know plenty of dancers scope out clubs as customers first, eitger with a guy friend or a wingwoman

“In practical terms almost no woman will go to a strip club alone for safety concerns.”

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This has been my experience, too. In over 20 years of SCing, I only remember seeing one woman going to an SC alone, and she was an older flamboyant regular who probably wouldn't have to worry too much about unwanted male attention. I would hope the bouncers were walking her to her car at the end of the night anyway, though.

Of course, there might be some amount of sampling error involved, since clubs tend to discourage female custies in general unless they're in a mixed group.