Dancers That Don't Hustle
JackScott
Maryland
I don't know if the dancers are not getting any sales training but some of the SC joints that I go to, I find myself sitting alone at my table for more than an hour before anyone approaches me. I can understand if everyone is busy but many times I go into the club and see as many as 5 dancers at the bar playing video poker. Do they have GPS or are they just slacking? Maybe I give them too much credit in comparison to how a car dealership works. On one hand, you don't want to harass the customer who says he's "just looking" unless he has questions. But typically you check in on them every 10-15 minutes or so. At the least, you watch them and judge when it would be a good time to engage with them. Like if someone is standing on a car lot looking around at everything other than cars, chances are that they need a salesman. So when I'm in the SC and I'm sitting at the table looking at everything other than the featured dancer on the stage, chances are that I might be looking for some company.
And then I consider that it may have something to do with the management. Is the owner/manager teaching the dancers how to work the room? Are they teaching the dancers how to observe the crowd? Or are they just left on their own to figure it out? I see guys walk up to the bar asking for dances but that's not how it's supposed to work. If I am a paying customer, they should be asking for my money. I shouldn't be asking them if I can give them my money.
In situations like this, it's interesting how they just act like a bunch of sea-gulls jumping on the same piece of bread as soon as the first one notices food on the ground. Maybe I look like I'm broke but it seems like when I get that first dance 90 minutes later, everyone else starts coming to my table. Sometimes to make a point, I'll spend all of my money on that first dancer that approached me. Then after a 10 dance run, the next one will come along and I will explain to her (in a nice way) that I'm all out of money.
I understand that there are a lot of tire-kickers and cheapskates that come through the club but that's no excuse to not work the entire room at least once or twice during your shift. You never know what might come out of it.
And then I consider that it may have something to do with the management. Is the owner/manager teaching the dancers how to work the room? Are they teaching the dancers how to observe the crowd? Or are they just left on their own to figure it out? I see guys walk up to the bar asking for dances but that's not how it's supposed to work. If I am a paying customer, they should be asking for my money. I shouldn't be asking them if I can give them my money.
In situations like this, it's interesting how they just act like a bunch of sea-gulls jumping on the same piece of bread as soon as the first one notices food on the ground. Maybe I look like I'm broke but it seems like when I get that first dance 90 minutes later, everyone else starts coming to my table. Sometimes to make a point, I'll spend all of my money on that first dancer that approached me. Then after a 10 dance run, the next one will come along and I will explain to her (in a nice way) that I'm all out of money.
I understand that there are a lot of tire-kickers and cheapskates that come through the club but that's no excuse to not work the entire room at least once or twice during your shift. You never know what might come out of it.
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* they get tired of hearing no and getting turned down for dances and may wait for signs a guy showing some kind of interest other than just sitting there
* a lot of them seem to not be in hustle mode for a while into their shift
* they may have regulars that provide them enough of the $$$ they need
* dancing may just be extra $$$ for them, they may have another job that pays the bills or an S.O. that pays the bills - or they may live with their parents or on public assistance
1 - They are waiting for regulars to come at specified time.So they don't want other customers to block their time
2 - They may be shy to approach you
3 - They already made enough money and just waiting for their stage set
4 - They don't like any customers in the club at that time
I’ve stopped trying to figure it out.
If I see a dancer I like - I approach her. This is a strip club - so there is less chance of getting turned down. Once I approach the dancer - I get a better idea of the girls personality - and I find (very quickly) if she’s a girl I want to get dances from.
If you take the initiative - and act properly - that’s a good thing - as it’s better to be the one taking charge (rather than acting submissive or shy).
Of course - money is the most important part of any strip club interaction - so make sure you have the money you need before approaching a dancer.
Are these places you've only been to once or twice, or are you known there?
I've learned to simply take my own initiative with a stripper if I see one I want dances with. It is law of the jungle out there. If a stripper I want is alone and looks available, I will not hesitate to just approach her. I've stopped caring or wondering why strippers do or don't hustle. If one I want doesn't approach me, then I go after her. Easy peasy.
- You're giving off an "I'm cheap and unfriendly" vibe. "I'm here for the beer" vibe. "I'm just gonna watch the stage show and leave without tipping" vibe.
If what you describe happens often to you, at different times of day and at different clubs, it might be you, not them. Or at least in part, you.
Having dancers NOT hustle and approach has NEVER been an issue in many, many years of this.
The number one complaint in low-hustle clubs is that the dancers are too passive.
I prefer low-hustle clubs because I'm not afraid to approach loitering dancers. Whereas other guys in the club are waiting for her to approach them. This equates to less competition even if the club is PL heavy.
My experience in high-hustle clubs is that I need to politely (if possible) wave off a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier dancers before I can hook the dancer I want to spend time with.
So, get proactive. You won't regret it.
I'm guessing your experience is that this doesn't happen with strippers. Or, is it more the case that they feel grateful you have come and rescued them from their boredom?
My biggest issue with PL approach vs. dancer approach is that of defending your seat, if I'm at a club alone (which seems to be the default around here). If I'm at the bar, with a bartender I know, I feel like I can leave my seat for a bit and be able to get it back.
But if you're at a place like Follies and it's packed, you don't dare leave your seat without a guard, or it will be gone in a heartbeat.
That's interesting about your ATF. When i think about it, my ATF has probably only asked me for dances once, the very first time. And this was after she had sat with me for awhile and even then i think someone or some dancer sent her to me. All the other times, she waits for me to ask. I also notice that she is definitely not a wanna dance type of girl, although her "saleswomanship" is pretty good. I notice quite a few girls do this. They'll just sit with a customer and talk and wait and talk and wait, maybe get groped a little and then leave if the customer doesn't ask.
The girl that just stands around pretty and waits for guys to come to her? That's much more rare. There's also a girl that just sits at the bar the entire time, hoping guys buy her drinks and asks for dances and rooms. She never works the floor and doesn't even do the stage either. She usually has company at the bar though. I imagine that once your ATF has developed a regular, she'll approach him, or does she still just stand around waiting for them?
Now, i usually approach her at her stage set, although some girls don't do the stage. If they have half a brain, they still make themselves available. If push comes to shove, i'll ask a floor host, (if i know the girl's name) about the girl and he'll usually make an effort to bring her to me. He might expect a tip though. Waitresses do this as well.
If you go during a busy period with a lot of dancers, your odds of getting the dancer you want this way dwindle It's just hard to make that connection randomly. If you go during slower times, say weekday dayshift, the fewer dancers might just try to work regulars or the familar PLs or maybe someone that looks like an obvious newbie. Otherwise they might ignore you. The girls in those situations tend to have different "feelers".
Some clubs are notorious for dancers not approaching - Tootsies Miami is kinda this way - it's a huge club thus lots of custies/targets and I "guess" the dancers feel they can be more selective - at Tootsies VIP seems to be what most dancers are after to the point that many actually don't wanna bothet with the $25 dances - with Tootsies being such a big club with so many custies, it seems a lot of the hot dancers are just looking for a select tyoe of custy that would seem like the type to wanna do VIP only and thus these dancers tend to seemingly not look at 90% of the custies.
Per the reviews St James in Houston I often read reviewers complain of girls not approaching - St James comes across as a seller's-market type club, it's the most popular club in Houston and seems to have a high # of high-spenders, seems like the type of club where you gotta be a high spender, or look like one, to get attention.
Paps, definitely true it's easy to forget that not every club is like the club I go to; that said, I don't think I see much "there's something wrong with you" in this thread. That's just one of 15 other possible explanations. But, if getting ignored was something I experienced consistently, across different strip clubs and various shifts, it's something I'd look at. Some guys seem to complain about getting ignored on a near-constant basis; they definitely might have a hand in it.
If the waiting game isn't a play that works for you, try the direct approach. One of the hottest girls (maybe the hottest in natural beauty) I have ever seen in a strip club was this blazing hot redhead at Savanah's in Columbia, SC. The club has a different name now, I think. She stood around by herself for at least an hour, going on stage once. It was an 18 an over club, so the kids in the t-shirts roared while she was doing her set. Then she went back to standing around.
When I finally walked up to her she seemed surprised and a little anxious. We sat at the bar for while, and she told me that walking up to guys and possibly getting rejected made her really nervous. She started talking about how long a drive she had and she sometimes got a room to stay overnight. We went for a VIP session and it was up close and personal, but you'd better believe I kicked myself once I realized later what I left on the table. So yeah these gals aren't mind readers.
Stripping is about fast and easy $$$ and many a dancer will zero in in on the easiest targets (e.g. the ones they perceive couldn't get laid in a morgue)
One of the best ATFs I lucked into, was a stripper who had this same problem: super long drive to and from home. In her case, this was compounded by the fact that she was a dayshift girl and so had to be in by 11am or face an escalating level of fines for each passing 30 minutes, but she had problems sleeping so she often didn't get to sleep until the wee hours of the morning and had trouble waking up... which translated to significant fines, every single shift.
Conclusion: we fell into a pattern where, if she worked 2 days in a row, I'd come at the end of her shift on the 1st day, we'd go for dinner and drinks before heading to a hotel that was just around the corner from her club, sex and then sleep, and then I'd kick her awake at 10:30am to drag her ass to the club by 11. She was so thrilled with this that she sometimes didn't even charge me
If you were wearing a blood stained shirt - I’m thinking you’d still get approached. If you still had hand cuffs on - and were sweating - I’d think you’d still get approached within a few minutes.
If you took a shit on your chair - and decided to smear it on the walls - it might take a little longer. But once the smell stopped - you’d get approached...as long as you money wasn’t smeared with shit.
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There is one guy who would always play it differently:
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More:
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But for the most-part I still mostly sit back and wait for them to approach me and if not I often don't feel like being the initiator unless I'm really hard-up that day (and w/ as much clubbing as I normally do I'm usually not super hard-up).
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Yes: I get what I want. I'm in control of the situation. Girls see what I want and can accordingly make their decisions on whether to approach me...and thus, I get attention.
No: if she can't even approach, that tells me she's uninterested and may give an uninspired dance. If no one approaches, I can keep my money for next time. If I want to chase women, I can just date civilians.
Every club is different, and most every shift in those clubs is different. There are clubs in which every girl will approach me. There are clubs where I could have $100 bills taped on me and 75% of dancers would stay away.
I've been told that three non-physical things stop dancers from approaching me: I look standoffish (shrug), I stand instead of sit, and I don't have a glass or bottle in hand (I don't drink). It is what it is. I probably have to approach more in certain situations, although I tend to forget this...like Saturday night, when I walked out with over half the cash I walked in with.
Is dancer hustle terrible sometimes? Absolutely. What we do about that depends on us as PLs.